No kidding not to mention how much they cost to repair just about anything on them

Same truck in Missouri with 3.5 ecoboost for 40,000

@@michaelmurphy5221 Not the same truck you are missing many options. 65k is fully loaded

Jay Swan Laura Ford Sullivan MO

@@michaelmurphy5221 Nice! Very nice pricing indeed but the 43K lariat only has one option added "Max Tow Package" Still missing about 11k in options for fully loaded. Still at 55k fully loaded a great deal from this dealership!

No kidding!!! That is the truck I own, 3.5L with the max tow package. Maybe not 13k, but the test in this video would be interesting.

Jeremy R nope. Handles it just fine. Would I rather be in af250? Yep, but my 3.5 handles that Much without issues

@@AnyManProjects 🤣🤣🤣

@@AnyManProjects Yup. Been towing with the family for 4 weeks with my 3.5EB SCREW and a 30ft bunkhouse at about 9200lbs. All the way from Alaska through BC, Washington, and Oregon through some narly passes and ZERO issues with power. Have my Equalizer WDH perfect set and 7.0 gain on the trailer breaks. Far exceeding my expectations on all performance(except 8.5 MPG which was expected).

Christopher Ori mine with the ten speed does so good. I've had 13k plus (for shorter trips) going and down grades and it does the job. I'm easy on it and wouldn't want to panic stop or anything but it does the job. Id rather have the super duty with the 6.7 but for the occasional heavy tow, my 2018 3.5 eco gets it done. No crazy revving, even up grades...just quiet power. Diesel guys always piss on gassers to justify spending all that extra cash or something? I know They're great if you actually need them, but most guys I know with them usually only tow 11k or less

Or the new 7.3 with a 10 speed

@@0347kali That horse shit (or what ever shit you profer)

@@madbear3512 - What horseshit? Pretty sure I read something about the 7.3 coming back... If I remember correctly it identifies as a gasoline engine now.

@@duttydiesel8303 It horseshit that it the fact there even making a gas engine as a choice

It's horseshit that some owners like cheaper fuel and maintenance? You're an idiot.

The problem here , how far did u pull it brother? I didn't find those trucks to powerful! I also had a new RAM sport n it would pull 9 or 10 too but the truck felt like it was to lite n I got a old 1997 7.3 ford dually n she's pulling that like nothing n the truck doesn't bounce around on the road doing it!.. MERRY CHRISTMAS 🎅 ✌ after I bought this old girl looking like she was in a time capsule, I got rid of my RAM because of electronics issues N I DONT MISS IT EITHER!..

Poppycock

How much can the 2.7 pull max?

Андрюха лучший.

Why does your wife think 6" is big or small?

@@everythingpnw really?

@@Superdutychase Really what? I'm just curious

Your wife has a D?

I agree. I have no problem towing 12,000 lbs in my f250 using my dump trailer. But a 34' travel trailer intimidates me.

They're just selling a fantasy to the sleeping idiots who live the american dream

Totally agree. I know, a lot of folks MAY pull a horse trailer, but, let's see a travel trailer or 5th wheel trailer in acion; also, let's do some acceleration, reg driving, passing, etc. Oh, don't forget, let's see how d'hill driving (mtn roads!) results. Y'all Be Safe!

They literally just did. Lol

I have a F150 with the 3.5 EcoBoost and the problem is not power. It has plenty of it and more torque than the 6.2 gas F250 (my brother in law has one), however with a 15mph cross wind the trailer (30ft 8,000lb) feels like it is walking on you in the 1/2 ton where the 3/4 ton feels a lot more solid.

Party pooper. Lol

@6XChamps You have a 6.2, a much heavier truck, and a 6 speed versus the lighter F150 with the 5.0, and 10 speed transmission.

Lol. Thanks. You're just the comment I was looking for

@6XChamps the cost of 1 mpg is well worth the $10,000 savings for the diesel

Plz what kind of galon ? (US galon or normal galon)

What drivers knowledge does a person need for towing Asking because I am curious and have never towed anything

@@TexasNationalist1836 realize that its a truck you don't need to almost ever floor it except for a few situations. choosing the right gear before a hill build up some speed before hand and be willing to take the hills at 40mph. I know my old truck gets the best economy at 62mph due to the rear end ratio and that's the speed I go, may not be practical for everyone but it works for me. ask around at some truck stops a lot of the older drivers are happy to share. books only get you so far experience is everything.

😁 you point is under the rug. Lol

yeppers gotta do 70mph up them there hills. dont give a shit about nutten but that speed limit.

Who do you think will be better?

Jared Jeffcott if a downgrade is that treacherous, I think you have to be more concerned about runaway trucks, because the brakes on a 1/2 ton are more than adequate to slow that weight down. Remember, the trailer has brakes also.

@@hdpptowing5736 I think that it should be a law requiring all trailers weighing more 4,000 lbs, must have e-brakes on them. There are a lot of idiots out there who shouldn't be driving let alone towing a heavy trailer. Lol

They really need to test braking once. I have always wanted to know with light duty vs heavy duty who brakes better with a load.

@@jasonoliver3364 with trailer brakes on a tandem axle trailer, both trucks are completely fine. I tow a 6x12 with 7,000 lbs with my Tacoma and the trailer takes care of a ton of the braking for the truck. I don't feel unsafe at all even under emergency braking.

Properly set electric brakes on the trailer will do most of the braking. If your towing at max you need to drive defensively and keep braking distances in mind. If you drive it like your not towing your gonna have problems.

@@randythompson4006 100% accurate. thank you.

@@randythompson4006 : Unfortunately how you drive has little effect on the idiot that cuts you off then slams on his brakes...

John Askins Put two motorcycles in the bed of the truck to balance weight distribution, problem solved.

@@angelgjr1999 problem, makes the front still way to light. Lil half ton trucks especially with the lighter bodies are really not an ideal thing to tow heavier weights. That's the real only knock on them.

David Lusk Front end is too light? Are we talking about the same truck? F150s weight 6,000 pounds. It’s not light at all. You may need new tires or alignment fix.

@@angelgjr1999 6,000 vs 9,000 behind you. They push lil half tons all over the road. People think they are big trucks, but these things aren't meant to tow near that weight. Its great for show, but suicide for ling distance. That's why i bought my 2500 hd last year with 6.6. I can tow almost anything i want without even worrying about getting pushed all over the road.

David Lusk Get an SUV if you want better weight distribution then. But that’s a bit extreme. You should get a semi truck if you’re towing that much. 95% of drivers never tow anything above 3k pounds.

Pop Corn yea remember diesel was definitely cheaper

Pop Corn it was a by product of gas production when we had real gas especially the dpf bullshit

What esp. kills the mpg on modern diesels is the freaking regens. Its almost like having a sizable fuel leak while trying to get something resembling fuel efficiency.

If my Powerstroke smoked and stank like they used to I wouldn't own it.

Instead of dropping $50k on a new f-150 buy a used Diesel and it will serve you better 👍

They only test the trucks they're given you dope.

@@greco2189 diesel are really meant for your heavy loads something you need in case you have something really important to haul or travel. Gas trucks are really your life truck, They cost a little bit better in money wise. They are useful for your daily chores around yard work or Man stuff. Or your fun activities with the wife. Diesels get better gas mileage because of the way they're designed. However pick up truck diesels are built to be fuel power hogs. Only company that's allowed us to have 4 cylinder diesels in usa market Which are designed to get excellent mileage 30-70mpg Is the Volkswagen Jetta. They're not built to be powerhouses mainly mileage. Meanwhile Europe is laughing at us while they get over at least a 80mpg

@@greco2189 80MPG....all like "am I a joke to you?" 😂

@@greco2189 Quite a few actually

The truth. I just towed 2,000 miles with my 2015 F150 Ecoboost Platinum 4x4, man, talk about power! Smooth alright. And same, 9 - 10 mpg.

The mountains of WV and MD; I didn't know that there were mountains in WV and MD, but I live in CO, so if it's less than 10,000', it's not a mountain!

@@wasichuwacanta7010 WV has some pretty steep grades just because it's not a mile or two above sea level doesn't make it any less of a mountain grade.

@@brandonmoore9440 I have towed throughout the states.... I70 in the Rockies has been the hardest to tow up... Anything else feels like hills... Its funny though in every state that has a pass locals will always say its so steep and hard to tow up be careful haha.. When it was all new to me I believed it every time... Not anymore... I would always tow the "crazy pass/grades" and always wonder if it was still ahead of me. They are so short and at lower altitude the truck is breathing very well... The Rockies choke up the truck so even on the shorter grades you're feeling a bit short on power.

@@brandonmoore9440 True, it might be a mountain GRADE, but it ain't no mountain!

True, but I rarely drive my truck without a trailer. If I don’t need the trailer, I’m probably going to ride one of my motorcycles instead.

Pretty sure if you go back throughout the year you'll find empty fuel loop videos on these trucks.

Why buy a truck if you aren’t towing/hauling?

TeensierPython - I didn’t not say that they should not do videos while they are towing. Absolutely, I want to see it in both results with towing and without. However, everyone is different than others. For example, I have 2019 GMC Sierra 2500 and I have not towed with yet since I bought it.

@@TeensierPython probably 90% of the trucks around me never pull a trailer or even load more than 100lbs in the bed. Sad very sad.

The eco boost is already more thirsty then the V8, but f250 has vs 150 would be interesting

Exactly. They've proven over and over the EB is superior.

I wanna see diesel f150 vs gas f250

I agree joe. Ecoboost vs 6.2L Super duty. I wanna see that.

F150 with 3.5 Ecoboost with the MAX tow trailer package vs F250 gasser pulling 9000 lb travel trailers would be a better test. Very few horse trailers on the road.

Raptor867 I recently towed a 3500 lb camper with a 2.8L Colorado from the shores of the Cheasapeake Bay to the peak of Mt Rodgers. Whether in traffic or traveling downhill, I felt in complete control of my pickup and trailer.

I would have liked the gas F-250 also as the step to diesel once reaching the F-250 is another level IMO.

A gas 7.3 is on the list for this fall.

Yes and comparable rear differential gearing when testing the different motors/ trucks

That's a beast! 5.0 or EB?

EcoBoost. Great torque! Get about 18.2 mpg average w/o the trailer and drops to about 12.8 with the trailer. Don't get me wrong, I don't pull all over the country; but it gets me around the state just fine.

@@gerrymiller7401 good to know...planning on using my wife's Expedition to tow our 24' to Yellowstone next month....am kinda nervous, but we did it with the old 5.4 a few years ago and we averaged 10 mpg. Hoping the new one does better.

@@workct4102 I have no idea what the capacity is on an Expedition. I can pull 13,500 with my F-150 so obviously I'm well under that. I also have extended axle separation on my trailer which helps with load distribution and sway control. If the Expedition is 2019 or newer and has a towing mode it should be fine if your under your limits. Ford's 10 speed tranny with the additional cooling features with that tow mode makes a difference.

Nice, I got the 2018 GMC Sierra 3500 HD with the 6.0l gas engine and I tow my 34' Fifth wheel at about 12-13k pounds, I think it handles it just fine.

@@dedalliance1 I'm in the market for a new truck. I've driven diesel 2500 for years but with all the emission crap on the diesels I've considered a gas burner. What kind on mpg do you get empty and loaded? Thanks

@@w.j.guidry8459 So my truck's the 2018 GMC Sierra 3500 HD 4x4 Crew Cab Long Bed SLE 6.0L gas with 4.10 gears in the rear end everything's stock in it as far as performance or tire mods. So for empty highway driving over the 14k miles I've had the truck it usually stays between 11 to 13 MPG but I will say I've driven mostly in Washington State, Montana, and Colorado and the roads between those states. So anytime in Colorado and Montana I'm running 4 to 6k+ feet above sea level. Also, the speed limits in these areas are usually 70 to 80 MPH, and I like to cruise at 85 or so if traffic allows for it. I also run the cheapest gas at the pump that I can get, if that makes a difference to you. If you were going to do 60 or 65 at sea level with minimal hills you could probably push 14 mpg. That being said one time I was driving west of salt lake city by the salt flats and the winds were about I would say 40 to 60 MPH coming at me at about 1 to 2 o'clock and trying to maintain 80 mph I was getting 6 mpg, I actually stopped and gave gas to another GMC that ran out of fuel, so I know it wasn't just me, the wind was terrible. As far as towing goes, I did tow my sisters 3 horse gooseneck trailer about 200 miles round trip, some city some highway, no more than 75 mph on the highway though, and we had 2 horses in it but only for about 30 minutes going from one barn to another barn (she transports horses for money to various places) and so with the horses you're probably talking a 8 to 9k pound trailer, without the horses around 6 to 7k pounds, and I averaged 9 mpg according to the computer (Which is usually within .5 mpg accurate) and this was in the Denver Colorado area, so exactly a mile above see level, give or take. And with my 34' fifth wheel camper going from Butte Montana to Billings Montana with a couple passes in between, I was testing the best fuel mileage I could get so doing 65 mph (A lot slower up the hills, the engine screams if you try going 60 mph up a pass so I had to just stick around 3-4k rpms and try to maintain speed, I think I ended up going 25-30 mph by the time I reached the top, lol) Anyway, 3 hour trip and I checked it at the pump I got 8 mpg, which the pass I climbed was 6,500 feet above sea level, everywhere else was probably 4 to 5k feet. But then another time, I was going from Colorado to Montana in a hurry pulling my camper, I got a job offer and they said be there the next morning and I didn't leave until 4:30 PM on a 9 hour drive. And I'm not condoning this to anyone out there, but I was pushing that truck and trailer to 85 mph or better anytime I could just because I needed to make a decent time. So roughly a 500 mile trip on every tank of gas I was averaging right at about 4 mpg according to the computer. So if you're used to diesels and being able to go fast up hill or on any terrain really and you try to push a gas truck like that your fuel mileage is going to be complete garbage, they just don't have that torque until you get to 4k rpms or better and even at that it's still half the torque of a diesel. Before I got my trailer I had about 12,500 miles on the truck and the biggest load I had on it was my small 1,000 pound pop up truck camper, but it wasn't on there a whole lot, maybe 500 to 1,000 of those miles. So I left one of my trip meters as is when I bought it from the dealership with 18 miles on it, and at that time of roughly 12,500 miles it was averaging 10.6 mpg. As of now at 14,000 miles towing my camper around (I live in it full time so I have to move it every so often going to a dump station or from this place to that place) and my computer is now averaging 9.6 mpg over 14k miles. Which isn't great by any means, especially with the price of fuel, but it's really not bad for a 7k pound truck running from a gas engine, one of the biggest gas trucks you can buy. And I'm not flooring it at every light like I used to with my old truck, but if I need to get up to speed on the on ramp I will, so I will say it's probably driven about average and I try to limit my idling time. I just realized this is really long. Long story short, 9.5-10.5 mpg average over the life of the vehicle, I'd expect 7 to 9 mpg towing any sized trailer at a reasonable speed. Anything over 80 mph towing or over large passe you'll drop to 3.5 to 5 mpg. Empty highway is 11 to 13, empty city is 10 to 11. It's a pretty stable engine in the fact that it wont vary too much if you don't push it and under normal circumstances. Once I get the money I want to upgrade the exhaust and the air intake to see if that helps with fuel mileage, but as of now the truck is stock. Hopefully that helps.

@@dedalliance1 my truck is about the same I've got 8k miles on it and the computer says 12.8ish mpg and that is mostly city driving around salt lake city on cheap gas. I was going to buy a Chevy but gm doesn't give you shit for options on building a truck other than the way they want it... I want to do the same and see if an intake and exhaust will help, but damn it's hard finding aftermarket parts for a gas motor now days. Get a diesel 1000+ different companies gas you get like maybe 5. 😡

@@dedalliance1 thanks for the information this helps. I live in Louisiana so no elevation changes to speak of to hurt mileage just heat and humidity. We have a 27ft travel trailer weighing about 6k. Down hear I get 10 to 12 at 65 to 70. I've gone as far north as Ohio and would get 13 at 65. Towing My tractor and trailer I get 10 to 11. Loaded it's anywhere from 9000 to 11000 pounds depending on what Implements I bring. My day to day driving around town I get 17 and 20 to 21 on the hiway. Diesel here is thirty to forty cents a gallon more than regular gas. I do have a ton of modifications to this truck, air intake, exhaust, cat delete, programming and so on. I have run into 1 person down here with a gas 2500 and he said he got 10mpg. Didn't matter in town or hiway, but he didn't tow anything. Thanks for the information

I took the point to be if you rarely pull that much weight, or for shorter distances, the 150/Coyote was more than adequate. Agree fully that if you are doing long hauls with a long, heavy trailer, the bigger diesel truck is the way to go. Overkill though for what is primarily a daily driver with a smidgen of towing thrown in.

@@timclaus8313 You don't need a Diesel and you'll have more payload without it.

Hil Palmer if you buy quality tires and keep an eye on your tire pressures, what are the odds of that happening?

@@sniperdoug1969 Just saying... Something can happen to the trailer. My brother and his entire family was hauling a load of wood in a trailer and a weld broke lose on one side. Trailer yanked back and forth until it flipped. If he didn't have a 1-ton with the 7.3L diesel in it he more than likely would have been in the ditch. But with the weight of the truck being closer to the weight of the load he was able to keep it on the road. He needed to change his shorts!

@@sargenthp well who is at fault there? Seems like your idiot brother is.

Exactly! Around 26+ft and the wind will blow the trailer around and really push a half ton truck around!

Not only that but the frontal wind load of them is a kucb bigger deal than the weight.

I'm used to it. I pull a 53 trailer with a 379 peterbilt:/

@@ur2ez2011 But that totally different truck that not even comparable

For a 9,000lbs, 30 plus ft travel trailer, you need the HDPP half ton F-150 minimum, much more stout than the Max Tow.

Just delete your egr and dpf. I tow 14,000#'s every other day with my 6.7, up and down Ozarks hills at freeway speeds, and never get below 14mpg.

That's because the government wrecks them with EPA B.S. You can get much better mileage out of the diesel with some aftermarket work.

@@hannibalsmith1194 admittedly I'm no expert on pollution statistics and whatnot, but it seems to me that the government has an unreasonable phobia of diesels. Much more efficient, and can do much more work in the same amount of fuel, but "it's smelly, Smokey, loud and scary! Needs to be regulated to death!" Lol

The more HP and torque you use costs more fuel. The older diesels were more fuel efficient because they weren't tuned for higher numbers just for bragging rights. But they got the job done and ran for a long long time.

Also; these guys are in the Rocky mountains near Denver, Co. from 4000 ft elevation up to just under 12,000 ft elevation. Fuel economy is not going to be as good as if driving the flat roads of Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, etc. Here in the Texas panhandle pulling 9,000 + and getting >14mpg in my 2020 F250 6.7 PS.

Totally agree. I flinch every time I see someone in a half ton towing a huge fifth wheel RV.

Obviously a 3/4 ton is the preferred truck but its not phesible for alot of people. For an occasional tow 1/2 tons do just fine. Just keep your distance and dont be an idiot. If your tailgating with a 30ft camper you'd likely crash in either truck.

Bill Waterhouse not mines, I'll take safe and stable, and the HDPP 1/2 ton tows and handling all the trailer I would want...37 ft, 8,400 dry, three slides. 😊

You have a little dick

@@hurricane8634 little dick and nice toys ... What's the problem ? Lol

Here in central FL, diesel is about 30 cents per gallon more than gas. Considering the $8-9k extra cost of a diesel option (plus the extra cost maintenance) and the very small difference in fuel mileage demonstrated here, a diesel doesn't make $ense unless you are towing frequently more than a gas engine can handle.

Depends where you are. Here in Vegas, diesel is slightly less than regular, right around $.10 cheaper. In some parts of the country, it's as much as premium. It also depends on how close to the highway you are. Stations right on highway exits charge more for diesel because it's more convenient than driving to a station in town with a big RV or towing a trailer.

@Aaron Britt...good points...the price I quoted on diesel was from a "neighborhood" gas station at least 10 miles from a major highway.

@darkjedi351 why does california have to ruin everything for both parties!!!

Don't forget about the DEF tax. Gotta add that in too.

You mean 4.30 in the 250?

Agree

I think the 7.3 is still going to be 3/4 ton territory. The F250 with the 6.2 would have handled this fine. The 7.3 is being introduced because there needs to be a middle ground between the gas and diesel as the diesel capacities are realistically getting ridiculous for pick ups

@@Dirtkid98505 true, I didnt mean to insinuate it would be put into the 150, but like the 6.2 it'll be on the slightly lower end of the heavy duty spectrum. If we go by Ford's word that it was designed for good power and fuel economy, on a test like this it may have really shined above either of these trucks (taking into account price of course).

I'm not a Ford fan, but the 7.3 really is a masterpiece. It was designed more for commercial/fleet customers. Diesels have become prohibitively expensive on fleet scale (where Ford makes most of it's truck sales). They cost more to run due to rising diesel fuel costs, general maintenance, etc. and don't last nearly as long due to emissions restrictions. This makes the 7.3 a great option.

Yes! The V10 is a great engine.

IMO, 7.3L isn't directly in between the 1/2 gas and the 3/4 diesel, it's actually going to be a true alternative to the diesels for people that absolutely tow more than a 1/2 ton can handle but who aren't interested in paying $9,000 for a diesel option. The, 6.2L F250 is, I think, the actual middle ground between between your typical F150 and a diesel F250.

I agree. I own a F250 2016 and my biggest complaint is not knowing when it’s done with regen as well as not knowing how full the filter is. A manual regen ability would be nice as well so I can pick when it cycles, not 3 blocks before I get home.😒

How many times did you panic stop going down hill at 60mph in a cross wind.

Ed Mikula not once. If the weight is distributed properly the sway is greatly minimized.

diesel wasnt available until 94, what were they suppose to use?

@@harleyhawk7959 A big block gas engine idiot

Unloaded the diesel is like 15mpg at absolute best. Every mile on that truck will cost more for absolute certain, but it's safer, less stress/driver fatigue, and you could set the cruise control up the ike gauntlet in the 250 and maintain speed. That little gasser is running on borrowed time doing that every day. Industrial vs casual.

I'm not a fan of the new Ford trucks, their 6.7s you cant even work on them yourselves, that's why I went with a cummins

I get 9 mpg on a 2005 ram 1500 hemi towing 10000 every single day. Keep crying.

mtrujillo1973 ford fanboy is mad

@@JTW221 hows the cummins? I been interested in a new one just wondering if there are anything you dont like?

@@LucasLeCompteMusic wrong

People need to think about payload and all the shit they are going to pack

Never thought about that. You prolly right

Yea if you do it on a weekly basis then would be better have the 250 as it will deal with it long term better but if its say once a month or something then probably be alright with smaller one.

Thats mu dilema. I tow mostly a few miles away onto the beach only a couple times a year and maybe once a year out of town but tt is 32’ amd 8500lbs loaded and would love a 1/2 ton for every day use but a 2500 gas would be a lot safer for the few times i do tow

James Little, you had the wrong half ton. If it was the Max Tow, that was the wrong half ton. A HDPP is more capable than the Max Tow, and I'd stick to no higher than ~7,500 - 8,000 lbs wet with a MT. The HDPP will allow you better handling of a longer and heavier trailer over the MT, and any other half ton. You can handle just as much side wind with a 35ft trailer as most semis, and if they are struggling with gust, you will be doing just a little better, and that's comfortable enough. On gusty winds over 30mph, just slow it down and get behind them.

Agreed, especially when hills are involved.

@@hdpptowing5736 A true HDPP is not for towing but hauling, and it only gives 800 pounds additional payload. An EB HDPP includes Max Tow, and that is the only one that can tow the most. A 5.0 HDPP cannot tow a 9K trailer with 13% tongue weight, the receiver is the limitation at 1150 pounds. If you have a 5.0 go crawl under and look at the tag, and then do the math. 9K @13% is 1170 pounds, add 100 for the WDH and it is 1270, which exceeds the receivers limits. My Platinum can tow more with 1320 pounds on the receiver. There is much more involved with long heavy trailer than what model half ton it is, no matter what, a half ton does not have the mass a Superduty diesel has, and when it comes down to it, mass is the key to a good stable tow.

acdii that's like saying a Louisville Slugger is just for baseball, and can't be used to bash a burglary in your house. You act like the payload is going to jump out of the suspension and object to misappropriation of its use 😂😂. Tell the payload to file a union grievance against the driver...that's not my job!!...lol

No, you don’t.

brent vance I agree I think they just paid the 6.4 L. Lariat

F-150s with the 3.5L are rated for 10,700 lbs stock, and up to 13,500 when properly equipped

David Flenke I know what they say it can tow, if it was a flatbed trailer hauling bricks or something yeah you could pull 13k. You try to tow a 12k camper that is just a accident waiting to happen.

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@@brentvance3958 yup I just had to learn the hard way. I have a 2020 f150 with the 3.5 & max tow package (13,200). Went & bought a 30ft toy hauler that's ~11,500lbs loaded & we had 10-20mph winds on the highway. That was the single scariest driving experience i ever had. Toy hauler was tossing us around pretty good. Couldn't do over 45mph on the interstate. Looking to trade it in for a 250 already.

*TEST EMERGENCY BRAKING

I didn't think that would read as, "test it as if driving miss daisy".@@mattbrew11

I have 500,000 miles on my F150 towing 11,000 lbs the entire time. Duo servo hydraulic brakes on the trailer. Stopping is easy. Keeping the brakes cool on a 10 mi 6% downgrade is another matter. Diesel with engine braking is nice.

100% agreed; it’s still a pretty hot debate though for people who don’t really understand the driving dynamics between a 1/2T and an HD truck.

Yeah 70 mph is alot of wind drag for a brick

I call bull. I tow a 31 ft 7k travel trailer with an Ecoboost Expedition EL. I get 8 to 10 mpg between 55 and 65mph. From all the trailer owners posts I've seen, that's the average. Only way he got 14 mpg is with a tailwind or going downhill.

Jason Hall you drive an expedition... not a f-150

@@kirks6932 true, but TFLs numbers are much closer to mine. So who are you going to believe? www.tfltruck.com/2018/03/top-10-most-efficient-trucks-towing-a-7000-lbs-trailer-on-a-100-mile-highway-loop/

I tow a 31' fifth wheel that weighs 9000lbs loaded with a '13 F150 with the 3.5L Ecoboost and I average about 9 to 10 mpg, but when I tow my utility trailer with that load I average about 11 to 12 mpg. I attribute the difference to the surface area that the wind hits. 14 mpg is stretching it quite a bit.

They test with the trucks they're given. Duh.

The thing is, that while the test is interesting, no one buying an 8000 lb. travel trailer is going to be driving on flat roads all the time. If they want to take it anywhere, they're going to have to manage hills, mountains, winds, passing, and other obstacles. MPGs, while a consideration, is only a small part of the issue.

This F150 is over GCWR Not smart Please remove your comment as is is false. www.ford.com/cmslibs/content/dam/brand_ford/en_us/brand/resources/general/pdf/guides/19Towing_Ford_F150_Oct25.pdf

Ya definitely

Best I've done with my 2017 superduty 6.2 was 9 mpg pulling 10,000 lb fifthwheel. I had a 2012 powerstroke and the best mpg with same fifthwheel was 12

They can only do what Ford gives them.

@@OpenAirAdventure what is your mpg unloaded?

@@alextrainor2552 14 city 17 highway with the 6.2 , I dont have those numbers for the powerstroke because it was two years ago.

Plus can pull more if you upgrade.

And most people that have 1/2 tons are way over loaded for their own good.

Nope... I have another vehicle for groceries.

I have a trailer for groceries.

Show us your cited sources.

Nah, I have an SUV for groceries (unless RV'n away from home.)

Ryan Torres gotta count it though, can’t stop it unless you delete it.

Eh... not on 66mi loop it wouldn’t be a good comparison. Mine goes into regen 400-500mi while towing. About the same weight and I’m getting 13-14mpg with a flat nose trailer. I figured a regen happened to get the 250’s mpg this low.

I bet MPG would be worse if it were in the middle of a regen. When in regen, it'll get about 10 or 11 MPG unloaded.

Yeah, a Regen would would have made all the difference in the world. My old 7.3 got better mpg than what they got in this test. If they really wanted to get accurate data they need to take both trucks with the same load from coast to coast. I promise the diesel will end up with a lower operating cost then the gas.

Absolutely not. If it had regenerated in a short loop, the diesel's mileage would've been even worse than 9 mpg. Really, these short loop mpg test videos are pointless. You won't know what the actual mpg is unless you drive them much, much further.

These days you don't even need to boost the power

Power costs fuel. The law of physics.

Not really, diesels are efficient under load. Without a load the gas engine would be 2 to 3 mpg better than the diesel.

@@milviodeleon4421 I would not call 9 mpg for a diesel "efficient under load". Especially 9000 lb load.

@@OpenAirAdventure you're right, that's why it's rated for 17,000 lbs. 9000 lbs doesn't even load up the turbo.

@@milviodeleon4421 What the hell is your point? 9,000 lb is close to the maximum capacity of the F150. At 17,000 lb., you're beyond that. If you're unladen, then mileage is even better for the F150. So whether your unladen or at maximum trailer weight, there is little to no cost advantage to the an F250 diesel.

Milvio Deleon you do realize with variable geometry turbos your point is thoroughly and completely invalid as you can charge boost pressure or (spool) the turbo at an idle

The304LINEMAN for a Ford, transmission my be an issue, but not for Toyotas...Fords have a durability issue if you question the durability of the transmission...Toyotas wouldn't have that problem. The Tundra is just outdated.

Chris Arnold you got a 7.3 for 10k?! All 7.3’s around here are 18+k for anything under 200k miles

@@nickconrad94 www.powerstroke.org/forum/99-03-7-3l-general-discussion/1092633-site-psd-newbie.html Read about it on the powerstroke.org forum.

Went from a Tundra to a 2500 Ram , towing a 7000 lb travel trailer. Significant difference /improvement in ride quality and ability to maintain speed on climbs and in traffic . Tundra had to shift a lot. Ram just stays in 5th gear even on long mountain passes and really doesn’t work hard. When I would get passed by a truck, I could feel the trailer getting pulled and would have to correct a lot. 6 hours in the tundra I was a bit worn out. , now much less fatigue , it’s a lot different, well worth it.