Gornley was in with mi5. Do your home work

Re: once upon a time we had a huge industry > once upon a time IS the start of a fairy tale coal is in INTERNATIONAL decline - the WORLD has moved ON The world IS continuously moving, and it WILL continue 2 MOVE > That IS the future - where the money IS

@@martipowell2878 lots of industries only coal will do the job.

Yes and look at the mess where in now because they decided to rely on energy from abroad..They wouldn’t be a crisis if we still had coal

HEAR! HEAR!

Agreed

nonesence OMS rose from nationalisations right through the life of the industry until British coal was the cheapest deep mined coal in the world and was cheaper than even Australian open cast after their transport subsidy. No other country produced coal cheaper than us, although they were allowed to sell it below the cost of production with massive subsidies. British coal had the lowest state subsidy in the world see my book Ghost Dancers, David John Douglass

Your comments aged well..? And what about if the countries we import from turn hostile ? As you have seen with Ukraine it’s the working class people that suffer in the hands of these fools

@daviddouglass5399 If British coal was the cheapest mined coal in the world with the lowest/zero subsidy on it, then that would have made it the most profitable of materials sales wise...So why wasn't this coal heavily marketed for export sales & why didn't the CEGB buy British coal only...?

Michael Parker Not at all, the daughter of a fruit and veg shop owner became Prime Minister, from a state education.

@@UncleBoratagain No! The daughter of a very wealthy MP, who owned a Green Grocer's shop in a small town called Grantham, back in the 1940s when a shopkeeper was consider a god in a small village - unlike today. Put it in the correct perspective...

agfagaevart no - he was not an MP at all ... he was Alderman of Grantham from 1943 to 1952 and Mayor of Grantham from 1945 to 1946 as a liberal. Perhaps read up on him .... his story gives an insight into why his daughter was so driven. Love her or loath her ..... she worked her way to where she got so you have to respect she didn’t have it handed to her at all.

It's that attitude, on both sides, that destroyed so much of British industry. Instead of working together like they do in Germany, British workers and management fought a class war against eachother, all while our competitors were mopping up the world markets

@@zeddeka It will happen again. But now we don't even have a car industry to strike over...It will be a Tech war, whose jobs can be moved anywhere in the world.

A sensible miner's union is a contradiction in terms

Its people like this that has given us Jeremy Corbyn

You say that like Ian MacGregor was ready to sit down and work things out with the miners. He wasn't.

@Ru22eLL If by "leadership" you mean Scargill, he knew that Thatcher wanted to crush the unions, regardless.

@Ru22eLL sadly, large parts of the trade union movement has become the aggressors against the general public. The public turned against them and elected Thatcher to get rid of them.

mjprice And....?

You must be joking...Sir Paul Kenny , Baron Vic Feather, Baron Bill Morris, etc etc.

How many union leaders at that time worked for their members? A few. Gormley was one of them. How many worked for themselves? Many Scargill was one. Later proved by his hone for life corruption.

With respect, what's that got to do with anything? This all happened almost half a century ago.

Burning coal still are we? So it was inevitable

@@zeddeka Labour used to be a conservative patriotic party.

You are spot on and time will tell

What an absolute load of shit

The EU permitted Germany, Belgium and France to support their industries and would have supported the UK too. This was a UK government decision not to support mining. As always though, Tories blamed the EU. Then when it came to the vote all those years later, the people believed the Tories that the EU was the problem. Stupidity.

Sounds like a brainwashed BrexiTraitor argument to me but no doubt the Quitters will fall for it. The fact is that there was no EU when this was made.

Oh really? And what would that be?

The coal mining industry had been in massive decline long before we went anywhere near joining the common market. Stop spreading your xenophobia

@@zeddeka Stop equating a dislike of a dysfunctionally arrogant bureaucratic behemoth with a dislike of foreigners. A large body of those foreigners we aren't supposed to like don't like the EU either. Do give your brain a chance..

@@Lytton333 stop pretending that an industry with a finite product which had been in decline for well over a century had anything in the slightest to do with the EU. Pit closures had been happening since at least the 1800s. You lot are weird. Or probably bots.

And Britain became more prosperous than any time in its history as a result.

@@robdewey317 don't think we had food banks back then...... the lower classes are basking in that prosperity.

@@terrancedactielle5460 they did you donut, charity is one of the oldest industries ever

do you honestly believe that? shear propaganda to discredit him. He actually had been a collier and his family worked in the industry. I went to training school with his grandson who was at Parkside. The truth about his successor and his lack of loyalty is finally coming out, Oh yes and they reckoned he was receiving money from Libya. Propaganda to discredit. The real problem was you had a man who had received the best of public school educations and a totally biased presenter walking rings round a genuine man who got most of his education at Bold colliery. The colliery I worked at was on this hit list and closed. What is alluded to at 15 mins in was exactly what was implemented and won the day

probably the unions colluded with thatcher commies all round they all are at the top

Gormley the traitor was passing mass picket information to the intelligence services and was rewarded with a knighthood....

@@cliveseal1557 Gormley? Gormley was a special branch informant - there is no real doubt about that.

Against those working for Russia, Yes. Just like Healey. Thank God they both did or we’d have been Putin’s puppets to abuse.

How expensive would it be to get out? Come on mate. Get real.

Nah, that's an Internet myth. There is no seam that goes that far.

JCBAirmaster73 awwww big baby

Macgreagor was brought un to close almost every pit in uk scargil knew this and had no choice it had nothing to do with economics and many aspects of a civilised society are un economic at the end of the day the uk is not a private buisness but a society it would have made no difference who was miners president maggy wished to turn the country into a corporate going concern with winners and loosers and the miners and many other people with little or no power lost

Fuck off scab.

@@bazrobb6242 😘

@@bazrobb6242 another democracy denier.

???? Britain has been in decline long, long before then

But sadly real communities in the Midlands, the North & Wales died with it and weren't replaced with anything tangible. These are the people that voted for Brexit in 2016 because they were still on the scrap heap and then for Boris in 2019, turning a former red wave blue. Amazing how people object when you want to build a wind farm in their back garden.

@@garethbuckeridge6910 well if there are no jobs in town move to another one. There are prople unemplyed in the Czech Republic learning English so they can go find jobs in Canada. If they can do that people here can move from village A to village B.

@@nifralo2752 Easy for young single people to do that, did myself several times in my 20s. Not so easy when you have a family because you need greater stability in your life, and routine if you have children.

@@nifralo2752 Great point!

Well he didn't lose a strike, and he didn't succeed in dividing the workforce unlike his successor, a man who wouldn't come out on strike when a Welsh or Scottish pit was shut...a man who sued the NUM over his Barbican flat, I mean what sort of 'socialist' is that?

Gormley fought for the miners unlike Scargill who fought for himself

Gormley divided the miners over productivity pay, he let individual areas vote for places like Nottingham it was easy to cut more coal as they had easy access to where they could put big machinery, but in places like South Wales the geology was harder, the coal was a better quality ,but they the could never hit the tonnage they worked harder to get the coal out but earned less, he was advising the Goverment how to defeat the miners a so called socalist he betrayed his own people then had a knighthood

@@willandelfie Think you are inventing your own version of the truth…

@@chrisp4170 Nope its fact

While scargill duped the miners in to a strike, in the summer, with coal stocks and record levels and without a ballot, and the present leader of the socialist party is a Sir.

Vicky lou British comb at its best

They're old tbf

There old, surely, lol.

It's Llew Gardner.

No it's not.

@@zeddeka The interviewer in the studio with Ezra and Gormley is definitely not Bryan Gould