The show did say "based on a true story, but some events may be fictional and dramatized"

The whole idea that abusers can just sue their victims doesn’t sit well with me

i don't understand. Nobody mentioned her actual identity, only herself

I've always been under the general belief that something that says it's "based on a true story" Will not be entirely factually correct? There will be things changed and dramatized. Not once have I ever gone into a "based on true events" thing and expected it to be entirely true.

If yall want to know how they found her: she tweeted Gadd like 100 times during her stalking spree with an account attached to her name and viewers matched the tweets to the ones in the show

People found Fiona because she has a history of stalking. 😅 Her other victims are now speaking out.

Gadd wasnt even Fionas first victim

It sounded so weird that a stalker would do this... Until I remembered how my stalker did the same thing when he thought something I said or posted was about him. I think it's about control and wanting to still be in this person's life no matter what. You see, she was able to insert herself into her victims' life all over again. When it comes to obsession, stalkers get blinded by the possible consequences they may face if it means being closer to their victim.

she ruined her own life by being a creepy stalker. I have absolutely no sympathy for stalkers because they drive their victims to despair and ruin their lives. I know mainly women who were victims of stalkers and it was truly scary even just witnessing it. One of my friends even thought of committing a crime so she'd end up in prison where he couldn't get to her. And the police don't do anything except offer to file a restraining order, even when there are death threats. When stalkers send death threats a restraining order isn't gonna protect the victim, because the first time that restraining order is violated, it's already too late. And even if they don't do anything beyond the violation of the restraining order and the police can actually arrest them, how long are they gonna be put away? In some cases they are let out the very next day. Sometimes they just have to pay a fine and that's it. You know how frustrating and distressing it is, when your safety is in jeopardy every day and nobody can help you? You know their name, maybe even their address, their face, sometimes their phone number, you write down everything they've done to you, but nothing is being done to protect you.

Entirely unrelated to the topic but my black cat has just spent the entire video pawing at the monitor trying to grab at your left hand gesturing lol.

Coming from the US as a person who helps domestic violence victims get restraining orders - I thought it was interesting she outed herself, but I wasn’t surprised. I’ve seen so many abusers do the craziest things when they start to lose control of the situation, when they don’t get their way they can snap

I haven't watched the show yet but people like... refusing to believe women can commit "male" crimes is part of the reason this conversation is happening. We wouldn't think twice about exposing a male stalker, why should we care or worry about protecting a female stalker? People who commit dangerous acts should be exposed as dangerous people period.

Piers interviewed the lawyer that Fiona stalked for years.

The digital trail she left behind doesn't really help her case.. 😅👀

People saying that the stalker is the victim need to go touch grass or something. Like, what are we trying to do here?? Saying that a stalker was done bad because she's a woman? Or are we trying to obfuscate further by putting the blame on the guy here. i get it, he's not a squeaky clean person himself, but jeezus a stalker is a stalker and shouldn't be taken lightly!! Would people have been this 'kind' to a male stalker who stalker a woman, and who'd not only out himself as THE stalker from the show, but also, to no one's pinpoint- go and say this shows defames him? This woman is clearly seeking attention, and quite possibly very mentally ill. Maybe hence the whole 'not outing' the real person. And yet she clearly chose to respond. But to say that the guy is the bad one for sharing his harrowing experience is... just mind numbingly stupid to see. i'm glad GC at least touched the issue here.

I think the main problem is that the author thought he had changed enough details to keep things anonymous, nd Netflix didn't do their due diligence to make sure this was clearly labeled as "inspired" by true events. And I have to wonder if this woman would have even said anything if people hadn't been so eager to try to find out her true identity in the first place.

She basically defamed herself She should have sued herself

Absolutely, there are inherent biases when looking at these kinds of cases depending on the gender of the perpetrator and victim. I think it was incredibly stupid of the alleged internet detectives to send death threats and aggravate a situation they were told was in the past and dealt with. They only brought more pain to both parties, and forced them to go through everything all over again - regardless of who is guilty of what.

No one is hunting down the guy who allegedly SA'd the main character. Why don't we all know who that guy is IRL?

I don't care what gender or non-gender someone is. Stalkers are stalkers, and men apparently can't be stalked or assaulted. They can, contrary to that overall belief. I've met men who were. They weren't taken seriously. If it's true that "Martha" did all that, and that "Martha" is Fiona, then she should be jailed. What she did was wrong. I call a spade a spade here in the fact of her stalking him. Fiona wasn't connected to it until terrible people found her online. He said not to do it, and of course, they did. Netflix saying she was jailed when she wasn't is the problem. That she has grounds on. Him going back to "Martha" is realistic of what it looks like. You go back until you realize you can leave the situation. That part always takes time, and only then can you heal. Let's not victim blame him here. He wasn't perfect either, but he was still a victim.

Babes the reason she got found so quickly is because people searched the "hang your curtains" quote and the original tweets came up

I have never seen the words "based on a true story" at the start of a book, film or series and though it was 100% true, except for when I was a child.

Ive been waiting for someone to discuss this case!

It's interesting that she went after Netflix and not Gadd himself. This aint about justice for her. She want that money, hunny

It was within a week that online sloothes went through Twitter/X to find anything about it as it did state "Based on a real story." It's all an incredibly stomach churning situation, even though Gaad asked for the hunt to stop.

In episode 1 - Gadd's character, Donny - types on a computer screen "this is a true story" - the character Donny is telling his story. It's not Netflix telling the audience that this is a true story. Definitely check out the interview Piers did with Laura Wray. Fiona is a well established nutter that tries to ruin a lot of people's lives. She shouldn't get a dime.

I personally did google the true story thing and her name didn't come up until she went and did that interview. The guy even said don't look for her plz leave her alone and she outed herself

Baby Reindeer isn't a documentary, it's a drama. So what if Martha is a convicted stalker and Fiona isn't?

I am Scottish and I would never know who she was until she put herself into the spotlight

Watch the interview Piers Morgan did with another of Fiona's victims. Her name is Laura Wrey. Her story, with only one or two very minor changes, is mentioned in Baby Reindeer. She's the politicians wife in the series. She's NOT happy about this all being dragged up, as Fiona has reignited her campaign against her after nothing for around 10 years. She has actual proof of Fiona's deranged behaviour. Also, Fiona has been convicted. It was under her "original" name, not under Fiona Harvey. Her nephew has made a few posts about all of this. He thinks his aunt is completely insane!

I read that Gadd said that the situation between him and Harvey was resolved but hasn’t said if she really was convicted for stalking him or not.

I find it funny this woman is saying it’s her and yet they said in an interview that they changed a bunch of stuff about the stalker so that even the stalker wouldn’t know it was them, so if it is this woman she just has issues and wants the attention.

Uhh, with defamation lawsuits, the "victim" has to prove that they have suffered monetary/career/etc problems due to the "defamation". Imo, any problems she is currently suffering are of her own doing.

I’ve been stalked before, it’s terrifying and makes you question every single thing you do.. down to being alone in your room. I hope nobody is glamorizing this.

I see. Someone has activated the 'victim' card.

Stalkers do this & say they don’t do this & use anything- I do the creator was stalked - I had to deal with a stalker who did go as far as lie to law enforcement - there is some mental component to it, but as an artist - be careful with stalker stories as they can use anything to continue- she may believe she was acting normally the whole time & believes she may win - I hope she does get help as I believe the creator has earned this success, stalkers are ALWAYS hard to get rid of & every advice given like - avoid them - turns out you bullied them - so they do others as well. Every loop hole was used - every flaw was used, trauma- that is in the show - so, my advice in this situation- don’t have anything debatable- you will not get anywhere & that is something I don’t want anyone to witness - this is her stalking the same person just international at this point.

If you, like me, suffer from ptsd from s*xual abuse and/or stalking; please be careful when watching this. Don’t watch it alone, watch it with someone who can support you when it gets too real. I believe Richard Gadd and all Fiona’s other victims - I’ve never had such a physical reaction to a show ever. I still haven’t been able to watch the last episodes but I hope I will some day. I just know that what happened to him is 100% real. Because it happened to me too. Almost all of it. Sometimes reality is just stranger than fiction. She deserves to be in prison. Piers Morgan also need to be careful with who he platforms and how.

Great video Glare. If you are interested in this drama you should watch the interview of the lawyer that Fiona stalked on Pier's Morgan.

She’s a hypocrite Suddenly cares about privacy when it’s her own

Yeah she wanted more money off piers also 🙄

I'm a horror writer and Baby Reindeer had me yelling at the screen every time Martha suddenly appeared. Fantastic tension and dread

Even after the stalker I had as a teen tried breaking into my apartment when I was home alone people still made jokes and didn't take it seriously because I was a guy being stalked by a girl, so the general message of the show(I haven't watched it yet but I'm also worried that it could be triggering) is something I approve of because it's making people taking women stalking men more seriously

For the lawsuit i think she doesnt really have a case and probably she knows it but IMHO it's another of her attempts to stay attached to Richard

Look at what she did not deny in her lawsuit. Speaks volumes .

the show was based on gadd’s own set, people had heard the story before but he had made it so clear when the show came out, he DID NOT want the people to be outed. i believe the quote was “if i wanted them found i would have made a documentary”. i feel like its been lost on people that this is his own story and the empathy he showed for “martha” in the finale should have shown to people to leave it alone, however fiona outed herself - no criminal records were found online just a few old news articles on reddit. gadd to this day has not confirmed or denied her identity because he never wanted it know. its started to feel like revictimisation.

the thing is that it didn't say based on true events or anything similar, the show opens with "this is a true story" - or at least it did when i first watched a couple weeks ago, not sure about now since i haven't rewatched it. that very thin line can cause presumption of absolute truth, especially with people who don't have the greatest media comprehension (which as we've seen lately, it's a lot). that being said, yeah, i can't find myself having a lot of sympathy for fiona losing her privacy when she's being accused of the same crime. in the past few years i learned that in south korea it was required for news outlets to hide the faces of criminals in order to protect their privacy during trials & after they served their sentences. that was recently changed after many years of the general public pleading to government official to release their info due to the high rates of sexual crimes in s. korea. there had been instances of people not knowing their next door neighbor was an offender because they never saw their faces on the news & their real name was never released to the public either. fiona is being accused of violent crimes yet gaad had the decency of changing her name & some of the personal details. yes he never made it hard to find her by using the real tweets & messages she sent his way - but also what was he supposed to do? go to his stalker & say "hey, i'm doing a netfilx series based on the play i wrote about how you stalked, harassed & assaulted me & my ex. delete your public tweets so people won't find you." why the hell would he do that when he's trying to get her to stay away. was netflix supposed to do that too? no! if she won't delete them of her own accord, let them be up as a warning. i don't think she deserved the death threats either but come on, she was threatening the guy every day for years & now he's getting to tell his story to everyone. i do agree with the people saying internet sleuths need to tone it down, the death threats are too much, always, but again, these were public tweets where she named herself. she has gone on public interviews & publicly admitted parts of the show are true. i don't think we'll ever get her to admit all of it was true because again, some parts aren't & she doesn't seem mentally sound enough to grasp the gravity of her actions even after all this time. that lawsuit is going to go nowhere for her, so she will probably have to settle unless she wants to be counter-suited for the actual crimes she committed. i commend netflix for having gaad's back in all of this.

Interesting - I am in somewhat similar situation as Gadd. I was horrifically pursued by a person aiming lawsuits at me and my partner in order to bankrupt us - until the court put a stop to it. It's a very interesting story about a mentally ill person and is a tale worth telling. HOWEVER, this person is the kind of guy who would then sue for deformation. Crazy times.

The name “Baby Reindeer” gives me the chills. I haven’t watched it but am going to.

My boyfriends still paranoid with random phone calls to him because he showed me the 50+ phone numbers hes had to block because of his stalker.... she called 2 years ago and i answered and she got all pissy he told her im his fiance so cross my fingers shes done, but probably not!

She also claims the she never saw the show….

I’m obsessed with your shirt!! I must know where you got it

Regarding the background check. I see that in scotland, 15 years after your conviction if you were 18 or older at the time of the crime, your criminal record expires and so you can apply to get it removed from a disclosure certificate. Her alleged crimes must be in the early 2000s maybe 90s, so it could apply to her. Does that affect the background check?

Removing morality from this, the legal issue becomes: If the stalker was never actually convicted of crimes, but Netflix makes a claim that she was convicted of multiple crimes as "a true story," whether or not her behavior was shitty, if the Netflix claim is false, it can go on to impact her life in the future. I'm pretty certain that a law has been broken in that case. Legality versus morality sometimes don't intersect. She might have done all that shitty stuff but still win the lawsuit because Netflix broke a law, not her.

There might be a record for a deeper background check

Its absolutely insane that after all these years this insane that she can still come after him for telling his story. Just looking at those tweets makes it obvious she's a stalker. Shows BASED on a true story do add things for one thing, and then saying "they used our tweets!!!" that's how they found me!! They found her identity because he used PUBLIC tweets between them. Don't send pubic tweets if you don't want the public to read them. He has the right to tell his story. She's just doing this to victimize him again. She wants the attention. Anyone else would have immediately deleted that Twitter page, stayed quiet and let it die down. No sympathy here. Now maybe she has a tiny idea of how shed made him feel.

I don't usually binge watch anything except KZfaq and Twitch, but Baby Reindeer was tough to watch that I almost cried. It's even more sad because it was based on what Richard Gadd, himself, went through and he created the show and acted in the show. I'm still confused about all of this stuff that's continuing to come out with this situation. I understand Netflix did a horrible job in covering "Martha's" identity but I don't understand why she's trying to sue Richard Gadd and Piers Morgan. I disagree with some of Piers Morgan's comments in the past but wasn't Fiona the one that decide to go on Piers Morgan show?

Violation of privacy is a crazy way to pit it when that’s what she did

I had a stalker who honestly was a lot like Fiona. It wasn't as bad as it was only cyber and I didn't know her in person. But she did find my address and threaten to swat me which is pretty terrifying. But as it was woman-stalking-woman and only online it wasn't treated very seriously. Eventually the police convinced her to stop but it took several visits to do so.

Considering she outed herself as being "the stalker" and confirmed that the texts in the show were exact quotes from real texts she sent, I'd say it's safe to say that the show was pretty accurate, so I believe Gadd. However, I don't think it's right for him to extenuate his experience by making up that she was convicted several times before. I understand that it's /based/ on a true story so it doesn't have to be 100% true, but I don't think that needed to be included, to an already bad situation. But, then again, she did out herself as being the stalker. However, a negative side to sharing stories like this is the only reason Gadd was able to make the show was because he's famous and has the power and money to make it happen, so my thought is, why couldn't another rich person frame someone for their own crime? Like, what if she was rich and told the same story, making herself out to be the victim instead? Other people have the power to do this in a negative light, even though in this case, it brought attention to some important issues. So I think companies really need to be careful with the movies they write that are based on true stories. It also begs the question: How much can one bend the truth before it's not the truth anymore?

Why do so many KZfaqrs have stalkers lately?? Gabulosis was also having problems. Hers even impersonated relatives of victims (its a crimechannel), and stuff.....

Exactly, she's not done or doing herself any favours. She should have kept quiet and if she felt wronged, then she should have taken legal action. I don't feel she is getting any money and imo whether netflix did their due diligence properly or not, from her behavior and from other people that are coming out and saying they were stalked/harrased by her I don't see how she is going to win the case.

she didn't out herself though.. people immediately found out who she was

Convicted or not she is a stalker.

I don’t get it either. Hard to follow. All over the damn place

It seemed strange to me that fiona comes out saying she isn't a stalker and also that NO ONE stalker gadd and he made it all up. like maybe i could have believed fiona if all she did was put out a statement to anyone online accusing her saying "just my likeness, but i wasn't the stalker, it must have been someone else." So her going on piers morgan and saying NO ONE could stalk him are pretty suspicious to me.

As someone who was stalked by an Ex, I have a similar opinion of stalkers. Yet, when i watched baby reindear, I got such a bad vibe from Gadd. I couldn't help but relate my own exsperience to it and all i kept thinking was 'if i as a women did that, I would be blammed, socially crucified and the stalkers actions would have been justified' Also it was a hard watch becasue as a man i doubt he had any fear of her actually killing him, the fear women have daily. Even though i thought it really showed that anxiety enducing fear from stalking very well, and male sexual assalt being highlighted; as a victum, a lot of his actions were questionable. This is not victum blaming, just that this feels like a very niche exsperience of stalking, whereas the majority of it suffered by women is tied in with abuse, domestic violence, rape and and even death. Its all a bit of a mess to be honest. Again i question his actions in not making her more anonymous, especially as from what I have seen she clearly has a lot of issues and could be seen now as somewhat vunrable, instead of just being guilty of her crimes. There is no justifying her actions but i can't help but feel Gadd and netflix skated a fine line in her anonimity, and the hype that followed after was like a weird social exsperiment in marketing with finding her identity. I really hope she doesn't get more of a platform after this.

I once had a stalker, believe it or else 😂😂😂😂😂😮😮😮😮😮

I hate that my name is Martha😔

We have clowns everywhere even Glare found a few!

I almost can't believe that you make a video without doing your research to know how they found her. This is so incredible: "Gadd first recounted his experience with an alleged stalker at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival in 2019, before Netflix commissioned the miniseries in 2021. " She had five years to delete every tweet to him, but didn't.

Shes gonna try and sue and i feel like the judge is gonna laugh at her. I can’t believe this woman is a lawyer she’s so stupid and can’t even keep up with her lies

maybe you should look into a PO box for safety, that way people won’t have personal info

but does "based on a true story" mean anything? Horror and Drama series have been using that to pull people in, when the shows are very loosely, if even that, based on real events. An example would be Fargo. And most most period piece dramas have things added in, exaggerated or taken out. As long as it's not claiming to be a documentary, I don't see the issue on that front. This scenario of someone being able to stalk multiple people and essentially get away with it without doing any time or making any reparations, and then turn around and be able to sue one of their victims based on a harmless technicality is upsetting.

Yea I’m out, half way through

I mean come on, since fucking when has "based on a true story" meant "entirely factual"??

It didnt say 'This is a true story'. It said 'based on a true story'. Those 2 things are very different. You can see fanfiction based off of real books. Doesnt mean they are part of the book series. They are BASED on the book series. Also, Fiona and the actress who plays the stalker in the show do not look extremely alike. They are just both overweight so I dont understand what Fiona is on about.

woah babe wtf the intro i hope youre ok

She basically admitted to what she did. Why would you ever admit that you were texting the guy in the story? Just say you never heard of him

To the people supporting Martha in this, I really don't understand. You wouldn't see the stalkers of Rebecca Schaeffer, Bjork or Theresa Saldana getting any of this energy. Why should Martha be any different?

If I block u on every platform don’t send mail to my house. SENDING LOVE (in a vibe way I swear lol). Been there. Some people are just awful I’m so sorry

There's way more to it than this.

‘based on a true story’ js not saying this is reality and not fiction. thousands of shoes are based on a true story with ‘true’ bent simply inspiration, so i’m not catching your comments here about how they could have not mention this at all

Hi Glare 😂🎉😢

that woman is ridiculous what a frivilous suit smdh

The answer is no she didn’t the internet found he extremely quickly because the write didn’t hide who she was irl. The actress looks and acted like her. Whats worse is that the writer exaggerated a lot of details and he cant even give receipts of her conviction for being a stalker meaning all this is defamation for her. Image your personal mistakes being a fucking show its sad.

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Yes, yes she did…

I think the exact words at the beginning of the series may matter to the case, legally speaking perhaps it may depend on who says the work is “true,” the author of the script , or story, or netflix (ie who do we attribute the initial text that says “true story” from my non law expert opinion, im thinking/ wondering: If its a dramatic depiction performance/ work of art purports to tell a story from one individual character’s point of view, wouldnt the only thing that matter in regards to what they are referring to when they say “truth” be the perspective and overall feeling or narrative the protagonist experienced? true or not, the story is shown from his “truth”… besides that the story never discloses the real woman’s name, so technically their hands are clean, as shes the only one that provides evidence to the public that would link her name. The social media quotes the series depicts are true, not lies. Shes the one that left that true evidence of her dirty deeds public, enabling the ability of people to have see / connect the dots, all her, so… besides the initial “true story line” curious did the series provide any other legal disclaimers in the credits?

Nah that is STUPID and anyone who thinks this is just punishment are immature and emotionally irresponsible. EVEN IF THE ROLES WERE REVERSED. Yeah if some comes over and poisons your dog, it's messed up, they're a terrible person, and they deserve jail. But it doesn't mean I get to go out, make a movie about it, and add 17 related crimes to the case that didn't even happen. In this case, yeah she's a fkd person, but she's literally not the inflated persona in the Netflix show. She SHOULD sue if they really did make up the fact she's a previous offender.

Her nephew went public saying she did go to jail for stalking under her original last name, she changed it using her mother's maiden name!

A murderer, no? But you do slay!

(I need to know where that shirt is from. someone hook a sis up w the company name PLEASE!)

​@ElanaVital83 fucks sake.

Since it wasn’t said in the beginning abt this series, I myself watched it fully….. man it isn’t a great watch. It’s definitely interesting and provoking. For my fellow SA survivors who haven’t watched it yet, when they say graphic, they mean GRAPHIC G R A P H I C literally in your face full out SA scene. No exaggeration. I’m ready to fkkn glare back bc only someone who hasn’t been thru that would call it just all in general a great watch. Don’t talk to me. ✌🏽

AI would find her in seconds.

After watching both of them and frankly both are weirdos. Stalking is bad m'kay.

Here’s what I think about stalkers no matter what gender….I don’t think all stalkers are evil, to be honest I sometimes ponder on it and wonder if all stalkers are bad or if they’re generally just mentally ill and need proper help and treatment, I’m not justifying what this stalker due, but it’s something I’ve been thinking about and it’s a theme I want to present in a story I want to write on my wattpad called ‘Fractured Reflections’, I generally think it depends on the intentions of the stalker and whether or not they mean harm 🤔

Fiona Harvey, not The 🤴’s type. But Glare, 😍🥰🥰😉😌😗 😯 😯 😯 😯 😯 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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