yes!!! exactly

me too!

Cycle through everything with Ne, then settle down with Si.. seems about right.

Damm true

With meals and new experiences, I take a high Si role, but with ideas, In overloaded with Ne. Outwardly chill and calm, inwardly loud and blazing with ideas.

ESTJs and INFPs have them right in the middle too, both can be fantastic at learning from their mistakes and knowing when not to dwell in the now for too long

You know that's with every function right. 🤣

Andrew, functions work in pairs of opposites, to keep balance in the human mind. Nathan mentioned it in the video. Those are: Ne-Si Ni-Se Fi-Te Fe-Ti The most you use a couple of pairs and which order determines your MBTI. I'm ENTP and I use Si-Ne and Fe-Ti, but in this order of preference: Ne-Ti-Fe-Si. That makes me ENTP and not another type.

For me I am an Infp I have a hard time trying to balance these two ( it doesn't mean all infps are like this it's just I've developed alot of Si since 2021 because of pandemic )

What's the point of trying Ne(w) things if you can even remember it (Si)?

This is a really fascinating observation, I'm going to keep an eye out for this stuff next time I'm with any of these types ~ Nathan

@@lovewho I'm an ISFJ, and I can relate with it. If I shorten it, I would say "Let it be as it is." People tell that, "He is so much content with the things he already has." 😀 -GiantJupiter

I'm an ISFJ - I think I prefer function over form. My ESFJ relative is definitely form over function. Although I do get pretty emotionally attached to my most useful objects - I cried when my daughter totalled my 17 year old VW Golf tdi (she was fine, the car was not) 😭

Very well said!

Intps seem unpredictable because they don’t show their emotions and don’t express their feelings. Apart from that they are very predictable. They rarely leave their comfort zone

INTP here, as well. I think it also makes us the most sentimental thinkers besides maybe some ExTPs. Si by default makes us attached to sensations, memories, and objects that don't really physically challenge us. Se users aren't all athletes, but they follow a hedonistic trend of exposing themselves to new sensations, be it positive or negative (hence why so many xSxPs are athletes or performers of some kind.) Si naturally forms a specific, concrete reality in their mind with perspectives and ideas gathered from Ne challenging itself conceptually, looping back around into forming a concrete worldview to challenge and be aware of possibility and new information. Se challenges itself physically in order to process and form a vision or philosophy of the world seperate from others, looping hack around into drawong fron a well of symbols and future possibilities to drive oneself foward. For me, I love going out on adventures and conversing with new people, because new people and things opens more and more doors to lightly explore and catalogue. However, my Ti and Si have specific, heavily repeated and practiced rules and habits I automatically follow through on. Really, my emotions related to objects don't come from a direct emotional core of reason, but rather because I'm mechanically used to saod sensations or habits. I want to go out and explore the world and its possibilities, yet I never want to lose my roots because its all that makes sense to me. Thus, while no feeling judgements are made, feelings are allowed to bubble to the surface and send me into an unbreakable nostalgia. What I find especially interesting about Si is the fact that, in practice, it can be to defime than Ni. Symbolism and archetypes created by Ni can at least be linked back to the "actual" world. Si, on the other hand, takes in objects and "reconstructs" it in their mind. According to Jung in Psychological Types, if you put two Si types in front of an object and told them to paint them, they would both be different in many ways. Think of Bob Ross, an ISFJ, and how detailed and practiced his craft was. Examine how he seemingly pulled details and an inner reality out of nowhere. If Ni types make great abstract artists, putting physical objects and distorting them into a concept or personal philosophy, think of Si as making a concrete form out of conceptual cherry-picking. Afterall, the NeSi philosophy is that of a magpie, taking and forming a set of specific know datasets out of external variables and possibilities. This relates to the attachmemt to routine and objects Si types have, those is why they can seem so past oriented. It isn't necessarily past focused more than any other function, afterall, Ni uses past experience to predict or turn prior events into parables to support a higher conceptual framework, but it does take repetition and stagnation the best and a seperation from it the worst. Fi forms attachments based directly off of feelings, Ti out of objective rulesets, and can be rationalized and appealed to through feeling or thinking easier than Si, which is irrational. Si types form attachments automatically, there is no codec or law to appeal to, Si just observe. I experienced this during my graduation, and continue to feel its aftershocks. I don't miss school, but rather the experiences seperate from work. I would rather suffer 1 million failing classes than to leave my roots behind. That's the beauty, tragedy, and irony of tertiary Si, it just embeds memproes and impressions into the psyche so that you want to recreate every little detail to suit an irrational goal. Yet unlike Se, it doesn't challenge the senses, it just wants to remain stagnant and repetitive.

Cool. I get it now. From an ENFP.

As an INTJ, I don't seek out change, but only because, if something works, why fix it. When change happens, its easily adapted to. My trouble is keeping with a routine, even when it's beneficial to do so. Routine feels like a trap.

I do that too and it annoys some people so much :D - enfp -

Me too! I’m an INFP. It annoys my family I think. 😆

same -enfp

You guys know your personality types?

@@sdpbn1 knowing is something deeply personal to the soul... And to know is to understand. So. You having trouble with your MBTI type?

Why order option B if you just know that option A will taste better to you every time 😂

Yes... When one of my favourite lunch places opened after Covid shutdown and they had removed my usual dish from the menu, I literally walked out 'cause I was so shocked and disappointed. -ISFJ

@@diutu As an INTP I find that very plausible and acceptable behaviour.

I will give you a thumb up, not because I do exactly the same thing, but because you are addicted to likes due to your 4th fe slot. Come to the dark side. They have appreciation cookies muhahaha

So many ISFJs

I get that too as an ENTP, my weakest cognitive function..

Oh god, I experience this too. And I feel my crappy Fe is nearly always to blame for what has gone wrong in my life. So it's like a combo power of my two dumbest functions. From another INTJ

@@youreworthyourweightinavoc7189 : oh yeah...The hardest to recover from have always been, ironically, so called heartbreaks or pump-breaks. As much as I want to remain rational, logical etc. when it hits - like with the Si past pattern thinking. This is a disaster. Having been proven wrong when you can learn the lesson (even if you don''t) is bad, having been triggered to become vulnerable - catastrophic.

@@DreBars hmmm if you are ENTP your Si is Inferior, but your worst function? That should be Fi (7th slot/Trickster function)

@@Oogboog203 Hey u are right, meant my main 4.. the other 4 even weaker or blind

Question: do most INTPs find fashion to be uninteresting? I’ve often suspected I’m an INTP, but I really admire beautiful clothes and love to make myself look pretty. Is that rare for an INTP?

@@ec8335 im an intp too, and ofc i love looking good, everybody does. But putting an outfit together or styling my hair is so boring that i just half ass it most days, and skip it on the rest of them xd

I’m an INTP and find fashion baffling. I wear a casual “uniform” most of the time based on comfort. Hell is going shopping for clothes, or worse, having to go shopping with my better half when she wants some clothes!

INTP female here, I've always hated clothes shopping (or shopping in general) and find it so boring and a waste of time. However I do like looking at magazines or IG of what people are wearing. Kate Middleton's classic style is what I wish I could wear but she's rail thin and everything seems to look good on her. I have curves and would probably feel too self conscious so never mind. Back to my regular uniform. :)

I'm an INTP and I like when people are fashionable (if its not too superficial). For example dig the styles in Disco Elysium or Cyberpunk 2077 games. But at the same time i just throw whatever clothes on that I happen to find in my wardrobe. I just never have time/interest to dress myself, but I definitely notice it on others.

Baby, you'll never by dry toast.

Wow, i'm like that too! yeah, doing Si things feel like a chore, for example now I know I would feel much better if I went for a walk, but I just feel lazy and like laying in my bed watching videos.

Any tips? Proud of you! 👏🏽

Same! I think my ISTJ partner has helped in that respect as seeing how organised, disciplined and stable he is helped me to work on those parts of myself since I could see how well it served him and how badly things like procrastination and overthinking were serving me. Feels great to see yourself make progress and become more balanced as an individual!

How old are you? How long did you maintain it? Hahahahah

@@learningadab Hi! I hope it's not too late, wanted to help being an ENFP who's learning to develop my Si as well. This summer especially, being quarantined, i decided to take a break from having a hundred open tabs on my laptop (Ne problems), and focus on getting my chores done more properly and on time, like prep meals, shower and exercise more regularly, even something as small as doing my bed everyday... i started small and now building more good habits from there. I noticed it has helped tremedeously with getting out of my head and more into my body which i think saves me out of my Ne-Te loops. This is in summary my personal experience with Si so far, hope it helps. :)

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I'm another INFP who does this! It's very comforting and 'safe' :)

Sometimes I like to try something new (when I’m feeling adventurous), but when I want a comfortable favorite or when I’m seeking a particular “feeling,” then I’ll opt for a favorite movie or book. And I often play the same songs over and over again, the playlist depending on my mood. I think it drives my family crazy, but I love it. I’m an INFP also.

Interesting. I have an INFP friend who also watches her favorite show again and again. I'm pretty sure (but not entirely) that I'm an INFP too, but I find watching the same show (or reading the same book) again boring. I think of doing it, but if I ever get around to it I usually stop halfway for no particular reason. Any other INFPs experience this? (Or maybe I'm mistyped?)

I’m an INFP and don’t re-read books either, as much as I love reading. I’ll watch Schitt’s Creek and things like that again but I usually choose to watch things I haven’t seen before so you’re not alone in that if you are an INFP.

I do this too! Especially if I’m very stressed and want to feel relaxed but not get too carried away with a new story (binging during exams for example), old favourites are the best. It’s like seeing old friends for a little bit. I’ve only recently got into reading old favourite books. Mostly for nostalgia. I find the better I feel, the more likely I am to try something new.

yes! that is very well said.

Having a very close INFP friend - be careful, at least in her case she tends to blame herself too much. It's not a bad habit to take responsibility, but you have to make sure to be objective and understand that other people can and should help/share with problems

@@notjohn2672 100% Lately I ask myself "How many percent is it my fault?" 😂

This resonates with me. Also, my desire to not be predictable makes me not want to make the same mistake repeatedly, especially the same mistakes the rest of the world makes.

That’s a good way to describe it. 👍

Agreed

Agreed

Agreed 💖

That's how my Ni works too

Same. I was supposed to focus on my presentation next week😅

@@peterstone1916 , I am no MBTI expert, but here is what I can do for an analysis from personal experience, research, and media depictions. By mad, I am unsure if you mean angry or insane. What makes ENFPs angry is various injustices, even if it does not directly affect them, due to their Fi. What also makes them angry, or at least disappointed, is when someone refuses to have small talk or interact deeply with them, which is likely a mix of their Ne’s want for activity and Fi’s deep emotional understanding. Lastly, ENFPs may get angry from a feeling that people do not appreciate them. However, the ENFP I know who felt it was an Enneagram Type 3, likely wing 2, so I am unsure about the under-appreciation bit in general for ENFPs. For insanity, I recommend watching Michael Scott as The Office progresses or observing Twice in My Hero Academia. Edit: In hindsight, the ENFP I am describing is likely a 3w4 and not a 3w2. I am a 3w2, and he is far more in touch with his emotions than I, and 3w4 ENFPs are more common than 3w2 ones.

@@Th3_34gl3 hi! If you don't mind, could you please tell me about the previous reply? Because i think the user delete it. I kinda interested with your answer but doesn't know the context of it. Thanks!

@@frieeed , thank you for your patience. The question was about my thoughts on the mad ENFP as Te doms know them well. I was unsure if the asker meant mad as in angry or insane. I admit that I am no MBTI expert but answered it to the best of my ability. I mentioned the Enneagram as it helped explain variations between people with the same MBTI type, and I thought it would elaborate on my thoughts on the ENFP I discussed.

This is very interesting! I'm a high Ne INFP and I enjoy wrecking havoc on my ENTJ and INTJ friends's Ni. Every time I see they're trying to fit me into their pattern, I do enough of the opposite to ruin it. My Ni-using friends also tend to have this "face" they sometimes make when they've "discovered" something (which I've started to understand as something that happens when an idea comes to them or "clicks" with a certain web of ideas already there). That's the cue for me to do something to confuse them in the future. Si for me is the thing that gives some of us "cat-vibes". Self-maintenance is a relatively apposite term I guess: we are more wary around unfamiliar places and don't "conquer", "occupy", or move through space as confidently. It's not so much making things "efficient", but making things "pleasant". It's a bit self-indulgent and sensual sometimes. Personally it seems a bit like a cat rubbing itself on your furniture to make it "homely": so that you know the feel and smell of the things that you like close to you...(but that's probably because Si here is tertiary?) One other thing about the Ne-Si axis for me: it's not just about paying attention to sensory detail in the moment. Si is like an internal "notebook"/memory drive that stores up experiences and patterns. So you can sort of sift through and replay things in lush, concrete detail when you're alone (hence why we like being alone too...) Sometimes it's almost as if the experience only comes to me for real after the Ne bombardment settles down into the internal sensations....

This is interesting, I'm INFJ but I don't think my strong point is Ni/Ti which makes me seem more like an INTJ to many people. People mistake my Ti for Te.

@@noraflood6482 OK first things first, YOU'RE A DEMON NORA. 🤣 I'd say _why would you do that_ but I actually understand the joy of being unpredictable and keeping people on their toes while messing with them so they'd lose their footing-another reason why I get mistyped as ENTP, but this is an Se thing for me and mostly manifests in me doing outlandish things like shaving my head out of the blue or trying new odd styles of clothing. I think we'd get along _really_ well, because I have an obsession with ensuring my structure is as all-encompassing as possible, and so new input is always welcomed as a delightful challenge to see whether my assumption and prediction holds up or not, and if no, how can it be improved? So yeah, your high Ni user friends should be grateful! Unfortunately, I haven't known many high Ne users throughout my life (only finding them recently) so I've had to learn to be a self-sufficient system in this regard and constantly question my Ni and always look for new perspectives. This is something that naturally happens with a 6th slot shadow function Ne as it sneaks up on the Ni for better or worse, but I've come to understand that it's more than just “sometimes” for me as I indulge in it more. As for Si, _thank you_ that actually makes a lot of sense. Tertiary functions are a little more difficult to understand because _how do they even fit??_ But what you're describing fits with the name of “relief function” for the third slot. Mine is Se and experiencing new adventures and exploring new places truly is the thing that gives me relief between the obsession of Te/Ni and the confusion of Fi (which I'm proud to say is not as confusing anymore). Basically, it's the opposite of what brings _you_ relief. I'm also battling depression and Se is both the thing that gets me out of it and starts malfunctioning because of it-it's a damned vicious cycle. High Si or Se users though, I believe, experience their saviours with more overindulgence and have different relief functions. That was _very_ enlightening, I loved reading your thoughts on the functions! You helped further clear up my foggy understanding of Si and tertiary functions in general. Thank you again for taking the time to write this, your input is extremely appreciated. If you feel like talking about how you view Te as well, I'm all ears. Out of my three INFP friends, two hate Te with a vengeance and for the other, her demon Te has blocked her saviour Fi and Ne as she continues to battle anxiety.

@@spring7643 Wait, you mean you're an Ni/Ti INFJ in Objective Personality? Ahhh, that's wonderful! I've actually been looking for an Ni/Ti because I'm trying to understand how that works. Would you mind talking a little about how you see/use your Ti? Of course, it's okay if you don't want to or don't have the time to reply.

@@MsMrExe sure! I use my Ni to collect references which I turn into patterns and answers for how the world is. I use my Ti to reflect on what I learn and I ruminate a lot. I am trying to learn and discover the truth as it is, no bias or emotions clouding it. I am usually thinking about the past and making sense of it. Since quarantine I think I have come a pretty long way in understanding things, now that I have all this free time to be inside my head with no distractions. I like to give free counseling to friends and family. They really seem to value what I say which is awesome. I don't consider myself a doormat at all, other xNFJs can be doormats and I used to be one but it's a great feeling to break out of that. I don't put up with anyone's bs, I only interact with mature people and offer them advice when they ask. I try not to be too much of a counselor because that can fall into doormat territory. Before I would focus on other people and their feelings, but that is a really unhealthy way to live. I actually hate Fe, which is probably why I am indefinitely locking mine away lol. Being a typical INFJ didn't do me any good in life so I think I might have door slammed Fe to cope with reality. I'm not sure if this is possible, or if I'm actually just selective about it and only showing my Fe to loved ones.

I'm intp and yet Se seems easier to grasp than Si. Just enjoying interacting with the imminent world that surrounds you is an easier concept than whatever introverted Sensing is. Enjoying new sensory data vs enjoying looking at the already known from different angles, I guess.

@@timo4258 istp more like it

Same :)

INTP and i went straight to the comments first lol

As an INFP I kinda relate to both. I find a lot of comfort in the familiar and hesistate trying new things, but being in that space is also quite boring and unsatisfying in the long run, so when I do go out on adventures, it's usually very exciting.

I've discovered the importance of my 4th-slot Si recently. It is remarkably helpful, since it can bolster the effectiveness of the top three functions. I call it "L'espirit de Corps" - where discipline is faith, and faith is physical habit. Draw up a to-do list for the next day and treat the time goals as challenges (maybe I can do this 15min activity in 12min?). When in doubt, you can rely on good habits that brought you good results before, you just have to do them - don't question them, do them.

@@AlastorTheNPDemon i'm an enfp and struggle w my inferior Si and not being able to commit to just doing things and routines ik would benefit me, e.g. exercise skincare etc., defo gonna try this! any help is appreciated ahhh

Damn. Yes - infp

My sister is an INFP(Si) and I'm INFJ(Se). In regards to memory, our descriptions of memory are very different. I envy her ability to remember things very vividly and clearly from what she describes. She mentions that if she plays through a memory, it's like watching a scene, everything is happening exactly how it happened and with color. Me on the other hand, it's the opposite. My memories are not so clear like hers. Often my memories are like...I know that they happened, and I can tell you what happened, but the memory itself is faded and blurry and desaturated. The best way I can describe it is like when Frodo puts the ring on, the world around him becomes hazy, or in the movie Underworld when Victor tries to tap into Selene's memories and they're colorless, chaotic, and blurry. That's how my memories are.

I agree with this completely

@@lynxsaidno this sounds more like a phantasia thing than an mbti thing. Have you heard of aphantasia and hyperphantasia? It's sounds like your sister has a higher level of phantasia.

@@lynxsaidno That’s exactly how it is for me as well. Whenever I have to recall memories, it’s like I have to consciously pull them out of a void. I don’t actually relive the memories, but I have these impressions that allow me to have an idea of what happened.

Please, please describe it a bit more.

INTJs do have a tendency to avoid their past selves, and extremely often cringe at who they once were. I believe this is the work of INTJs lowest shadow function: Si. As for the meal, it might be a work of Ni-Te narrowing down the meal you like from the menu, and then Fi internalizing it. Most INTJ's Fi is surprisingly developed, actually. Super underrated function.

@@umcaraqualquer3640 that's an awesome way to put it, i have the same dilemma as the original comment because i often get confused over si. i have habits "associated" with si as an intj and it made me wonder more than once if i'm not actually an istj. i am totally confident i'm a high ni user tho. so yeah, confusing but your comment helped a lot. (fora do tópico mas que legal ver outro br aqui kkkkk)

@@iasmimluiza1914 Eita kkkk, eu n esperava um BR tbm!

noticing subtle differences is more Se. Si is more "maintenance" as he said in the video. A lot more tuned to your own self and habits, past experiences, while a high Se user is gonna notice anything different going on, if you cut your nails, did your hair, have stains on your shirt, etc

And I absolutely love anticipatory enjoyment of upcoming events like holidays. I like to plan with my Ne to make them fun. Enjoyment is throughout the process, not just the events themselves.

Yeah, it's being aware of the past, "learning from your mistakes" as he mentioned in the video. Si is very good at keeping track of the past and what happened - using that information for the future possibilities with Ne

I guess this is kind of like with indulging in known pleasures, like they'll revel in the things they remember enjoying in the past. I certainly do!

@@notjohn2672 i see. I wonder why i always forgot things like example my first aid kit. I will organize it so i know exactly where my things are but will forget where i put it. I just thought my head is rotting and even 1 minute i will forget why i came to the kitchen. I think it was my low si

@@Gandellion interesting

@@hanjesse31 Well, everyone does everything. don't get caught up in specific things. The fact that you're so aware that you forget things sometimes might be because you rarely do otherwise - which makes it very noticeable when you do If you have low Si, it might mean its really annoying AND important for you to use it. So you're gonna really try to organize, remember, maintain and be proud when you manage to, but a lot of the time fail