@Richard Favreau They test a mile above sea level, that handicaps a naturaly aspirated engine while a turbo-/supercharged engine won't suffer as much. I've never driven a car with CVT that i would call fun or engaging, but with age one do start to appreciate comfort, smoothness and mpg a lot more, that's where CVT shines.

@Richard Favreau I haven't driven Civic with CVT so I don't know.

Guy ha 200k on his car. I ask how's the cvt? What's that? U change the fluid? It needs 2 b changed? Lol

Agree with you 100%. They wouldn't know.. but come on Toyota, nissan, Honda and some American cars. I dont care what manufacturer. CVTs are TRASH. Stop making cvts

@@TiredIron1745 They're completel horse shit! I used to envy the Nissan Maxima. Then the did cvt

@@TiredIron1745 thats true, if only the idea of a high performance cvt was true which is impossible. 🤣 Im talking about how a cvt in theory is the best transmission because it would be able to max the torque and power on all rpm levels.

I don’t care about CTV tbh

Lol I really hope these are troll comments, the fact that it has a CVT is the lowest selling point of the car. A simulated launch gear adds little to no value. Especially not for that measly sub 160 wheel hp with a 13 sec 0-60 sorry Corolla lovers This car is pathetic, spend your money on a real car 🤷‍♂️ I mean look at the Honda Civic, quite a bit larger better to drive quite a bit quicker better transmission choices and the Mazda is the same and now with an even quicker version on its way into production, and the vastly superior interior of Mazda products. Don’t buy this dated toyota

@Richard Favreau I'm promoting a civic that I believe to have a superior CVT with far better fuel economy to that of the Corolla and a manual transmission offering unlike that of the corolla, so who are you trying to fool? If you knew anything about CVT's you would know it one continuous gear and it simulates gears to the driver to control engine speeds and rpm's, as far as the launch gear, it simulates the feeling of a first gear in a normal transmission and it essentially shifts the CVT to be controlled by a normal gear and it is built to increase off the line efficiency by reducing the load of the engine and it automatically switches back to the CVT belt when up to speed. It was not built for any intentions of increased performance, It feels faster because it is controlling the load the engine and speed of the RPMs by giving it a first gear. Nothing that special, nothing that is all that desirable compared to a standard CVT. If you even remotely read or understood my comment you would have seen that I very clearly stated that the Mazda has a new engine option offering far more power than the corolla, I am referring to the 2.5T that has already been confirmed by mazda and multiple journalists have talked about it. The reality is this is a 2020 corolla that has done nothing to innovate aside from adding a first gear for better efficiency. How about you educate yourself before making an ass out of yourself my friend, oh and since I'm sure you wont take the time to look up the new Mazda 3 here are the power numbers(227hp, 310lb/ft) these walk all over the measly 169bhp, which in reality puts 140 to the wheels if that. I'm sure you also didn't know that being how little you know about cars as it is, and since you will try to argue the civic (180hp) which is underrated from the factory as all honda motors are. I could easily tell you several things more about what makes the civic and mazda3 superior but since I'm sure you won't fully read this comment, just as you did with the last comment. I won't entertain this conversation any further, numbers, specs, features, and performance don't lie and the corolla is lacking on all fronts try and prove me wrong.

@Richard Favreau You say that but not all specs are available in a manual transmission for the corolla, I don't believe I needed to specify that the corolla has a manual offering as it was clearly stated in the beginning of this video. I stated the civic was a superior option and elaborated to you on why that is, since you decided to mention the Civic's CVT option. To be even more clear I never once stated I like any CVT, I will bash any car with a CVT because in terms of performance it is an undesirable option. That does not mean I can't admit that some CVT's are superior than others. I was speaking specifically about the corolla because the corolla is behind the competition, In my last comment I gave you several reasons why. Yes the launch gear was a good addition for both improved acceleration and efficiency but not enough to make the corolla CVT a more desirable option than the competition. Regarding the mazda, you can go ahead and say it competes directly with the civic type R in terms of price but it does not as msrp starts at 29k, and if I am not mistaken the exact corolla in this video as tested was priced at 30k. You tell me which car you would spend your 30k on? and if we want to compare msrp's the corolla XSE starts at 25k and type R starts at 36k with prices exceeding 46k. The mazda 3 is not built as a sports sedan as you claim and you would know that also if you read anything journalists have said or even mazda themselves have said. It is a mainstream compact sedan with a higher performance trim, just as the corolla XSE is and the Civic Sport is. It offers far better performace, creature comforts and awd for around the same price as a fully loaded XSE you tell me where your 30k is going? That sounds like competition to me, power numbers may be higher but people care about price and how much they get for there money making this new mazda 3 2.5T a direct competitor to the XSE and Civic sport regardless, with how close in price they are. In order to get the 2.5T you have to go to the max trim which as I stated starts at 29k and that comes with a multitude of options as standard in the trim and has 1 option for tech package meaning the price of the 2.5T likely won't exceed 33k and that is not including incentives and dealer discounts which you are far more likely to get at Mazda than you are Toyota. To put into perspective Mazda's dealer discounts and incentives, my friend just purchase a brand new Mazda 6 in the signature trim(highest trim level with 2.5T) with all discounts and incentives OTD was just under 30k with a 0% interest rate. My point is he got a brand new sedan an entire class above the XSE for the same price as this tested XSE. Mazda does this with all of their models as a family member of mine got a signature trim CX-9 with the 2.5T for 36k OTD, if you take those 2 deals as any reference. I would expect to see OTD prices as low as 27-28k for the Mazda3 2.5T making it the best option in the segment which includes both the Corolla XSE and Civic sport based on price.

@@Meqanicull first of all, the 0-60 time is not actually 13 seconds. That's at high elevation, slightly uphill, with 3 big guys in the car. The real 0-60 time is 8.1 seconds. Second, how does the Civic have better transmission options? It has a CVT an an optional manual, just like a Corolla.

@Richard Favreau It adds a much more natural feeling when leaving a stop, which is my biggest complaint with CVTs. Once the car is moving I don't mind them.

*cries in Canadian prices*

The new Nissan Sentra is only 21.6k for the top trim SR. Even if you add the premium package it's only 25k.

Yeah a fully loaded Corolla should be in the low 20k range.

Richard Favreau my 2020 SE was 19k before taxes.

Richard Favreau the SE is the sweat spot for the Corolla trims, and no complaints from me at all. It’s been a really solid car so far.

All cvt's shud do this.

it's still ultra gentle with that physical first gear... i've got the 2019 hatch and flooring it from a standstill isn't exciting at all

@Richard Favreau oh it's extremely easy to drive... It's a Corolla afterall. It's fun to drive in a sense because the CVT is really responsive to throttle input, aside from 1st launches. The suspension is forgiving and soft riding, but drives like a car should, not lofty like an SUV. I can't comment on its true reliability because the CVT and 2.0 engine are new designs, but given Toyota's past records, I would believe it to be reliable.

@Richard Favreau hope you enjoy it! Cheers 🍻

I just bought one 21 hatchback se nightshade 11-02-20

They should have made the hatchback faster than 170 hp they could have atleast gave it 190 horsepower they owe it to us for how much we pay..anyway the corolla GR is coming next year turboed we will see..

yea except the CVT is dog shit for anything other than highway cruising

DoC.Christopher Thompson so true.

The corvette has 2 mufflers and 4 exhaust tips. Would you consider that dual exhaust???

The problem with that is it costs more than a GTI. So I'm condescending to anyone who buys this car. I mean you can get a GTI, civic Si, veloster N, you'd be nuts to buy this.

Jeff K The car is actually about $26,700 including destination charge at full sticker price if you don’t add needless fluff option packages and dealer accessories. From there, you can get a few thousand dollars off after dealer discounts and any factory rebates. It doesn’t cost more than a GTI and it will spend a lot less time in the shop getting repairs than a GTI.

Two words: arrested adolescence. lol.

Sales don't lie. Maybe you can ask all the people who buy a Corolla why they buy it. Most likely because they are reliable and roomy and many people just want a basic transportation from point A to B. Not to mention some of those hot hatches are only available in manual which many people cannot even drive. Most Corollas are also cheaper than those hot hatches if you look at the base models. Not everyone buy the fully loaded model.

I think he gave a good assessment. I hear what you are saying also. I don’t care for the low profile stuff. I guess I look at getting more mileage out of a set of tires and generally speaking the less sidewall the less mileage. And also for that that amount of money there should be more standard stuff. Although I think that the car looks better than older generations. There are 2 Corollas in the family, the thing I find is for me how hard it is in getting in and out, especially getting out. It feels like you’re sitting on the ground. I don’t care for the CBT either, however overall, it still is a good reliable vehicle.

They are SO good

I love old Toyotas but most of these new ones are passionless. If you’re all about 10 year reliability the by all means enjoy you soulless Corolla.

@@jasswear8911 I am enjoying my soulless one week old Tundra. Has the new truck smell...the smell of quality.

@@LifeISMagix Wow...not many Lexus owners complain about a bad one. It is as rare as a sasquatch.

Mike Foehr I guess you don’t understand. Your Decade old design Toyota Tundra IS one of the old ones. Have you looked at the dash?

29K for a Corolla is nonsense.

Right Lane Hog I totally agree they are no justification for this high price it’s just ridiculous really.

I'm looking at the XLE camry awd, for 32k. Why... carolla.??

The car doesn’t sell for $30K. You can barely get the sticker to $29K with every factory option. If you just get it without extra packages, the full sticker with destination charge is under $27K and there are big discounts available from there. Don’t compare a discounted Camry price to a fully loaded Corolla price at full sticker plus dealer accessories. That’s dumb.

I used my Costco discount to get a 2020 Sonata Limited fully loaded for 30,400 with no negotiations needed. It is a lot more car than this Carolla and Toyota dealers don't like discounting their cars.

I got a 2020 xse hatch for $22800

Tool0GT92 that’s more like it!

Dryloch a Hyundai/Kia over a Toyota? I’m never making that mistake again.

I totally agree with everything you mentioned there especially the gas millage

What discounts?

@@NoNegotiations $500 college grad, 500 military discount, end of year sale $1000-$2000, random holiday sale $1000-$4000

@@markarbuckle8393 Regular person who doesn't have any of those and/or maybe wait for holiday, nah, no go.

yeah i have this car and i only paid $25k for it

@@jarymenkins983 do you like it

It still drones like a blender.

Jason W the unreliable cvt is what hampers the acceleration. Needs the 8 speed automatic from the Camry and it would be bulletproof reliability

@@haroldbeauchamp3770 the 2.0 engine doesn't have the "unreliable" CVT, it has the new CVT with a real first gear. The 1.8 has the single stage CVT. However, I don't like any CVT. I'd rather have the traditional automatic. The best CVT in the world would only last half as long as a good automatic.

Jason W agreed

I hate to be "that person," but you should have gotten the manual. I also have a 2020 Corolla hatchback, and I bought it without even knowing how to drive a manual (dealership delivered it to my house at no extra cost after I wrote the check). I taught myself to drive it by watching stick shift instructional videos on KZfaq. It was incredibly easy to learn on this car. I'm a 35 year old woman, by the way, so if I can learn, then anyone can. :) This car feels like it has a lot of power. It takes off fast from a stop, and accelerates quick when merging onto the highway. I never test drove the CVT, but it sounds like the CVT neutered the power. Even if your dealership didn't have the manual on the lot, they can do a factory order it for you, in any color or trim level you want. You just have to be patient (I had a three month wait between when the car was ordered, and when it arrived). By the way, I've also come to love the tablet stuck on dash radio. I thought it looked ridiculous at first, but I'm finding that it is very convenient to have the radio controls higher up, closer to eye level.

@Richard Favreau I don't blame you for thinking I was a dude. There are very few female enthusiasts out there. Cars are usually viewed as a "guy thing." I enjoy the experience of driving, and I think cars are really cool machines. I finally got a manual car this year, because I wanted to experience a different way to drive a car. And no regrets, it turned out to be just as fun as looks! Anyway, I got my first hamster on my tenth birthday, and except for a pause while I was in college, I've continuously had a pet hamster. They're just so cute and entertaining. Unfortunately, they only live a couple years. When one passes away, I get another. So, that's a lot of hamsters over the past 25 or so years.

Right!

Wow

There is no hatchback version of Camry. Hatchbacks are so, so much more useful than sedans!

Wait doesnt the camry have 300 hp to the corollas 169 ?

Adam Duncan Unfortunately lots of sheeple are uninformed and will buy one because their family member bought a Toyota 30 years ago and it was reliable. The problem is 30 years ago the US automakers were building unreliable crap during the “malaise” era for cars. Toyota saw the opportunity to hit the market extremely hard with a reliability campaign that has lasted all these years later. Today, Toyota is no more reliable than anything else. But watch, this comment will get a ton of dislikes from Toyota fans. Thats how well that campaign was in the 80s

@Richard Favreau those who pay 30k for corollas have no negotiation skills. Most people on these threads they are forgetting that the lower trim corollas like L, LE,SE they are way below 23k msrp. Myself i got LE with bells and whistles for 16k lol

Good choice, the manual hatchback is the best way to go.

@@rightlanehog3151 they are coming out with a turbo GR model soon too

@@Tool0GT92 I heard about that as well. My Corolla engine has 126 hp so your 168 hp engine is already a big jump. Your new one will also beat my gas mileage. Yours also has a better suspension and all sorts of additional safety gear. All in all your hatch is a sensible performance package. My only complaint about the new generation is the greatly reduced headroom and legroom. Park you hatch beside a Matrix and you will see it is about 6 inches lower. At 6'3" I literally do not fit in a new Corolla.

@@rightlanehog3151 yes the hatch has a small back seat for adults and the hatch socks. I have my crv if we need to carry anything bigger.

@@Tool0GT92 I renamed Toyota's undersized new global design as Toyota New Jockey Architecture . Their old Yaris hatch has more headroom than the new RAV4.

Good choice.

Corolla gr shud b here next year. 252 hp

Why its stll just a ugly little car.

@@991carreras3 The hatch look pretty cool, just need to make it hot.

The combined weight of father and son will be over 400 lbs and we don't know how much the back seat camera operator weighs.

It shifts back into first gear around 20 mph i know this because I can feel it slightly when I’m slowing down. Are you sure your car is operating properly? My cars shifts are seamless and if I drive easy I can’t even feel the first shift most of the time.

@Richard Favreau there not really bad there average seats, i have a soar back sometimes so i cant fully sa its the car. I wud still get the cvt cause im use to it.

@@tails300 Right if u drive it easy i dont feel shifts, its wen its in that rpm range. On toyota forum theres post about this, its not just me. If you think it shifts back into that gear at 20 then slow down to under 10mph and try n takeoff again and let me know😉.

Darnell C I have, no harsh shifts and no lag, like I said maybe your cars transmission isn’t working right 🙃.

@Richard Favreau I wasn't singling it out it was the only vehicle they were reviewing.

Henry Demented you’re the most intelligent person in the comments section.

But Lexus is uglier in my opinion. Except that cool hatch they used to make. For 30k why not get a used Avalon?

MjekuMati after work you can get a CPO Lexus GS fsport for that price.

Harold Beauchamp my wife would disagree lol

MjekuMati after work I can see why a lot of people find it ugly, I guess it’s true that beauty is in the eye of the beholder

Yeaah, if you are scared of VW reliability get a civic Si instead.

Richard Favreau I agree, I didn’t really care for the design when I got my corolla, but now I actually like it.

Agreed!

Snarls Barkley you own the most reliable version. Sadly the cvt models will be very unreliable. Yours will keep going and going.

Harold Beauchamp I agree. I had a 2017 LE CVT used and it was garbage. I took it to the dealer many times for the trans and they kept telling me nothing was wrong with it. Yet the loaner with the same trans never had the same problem. The 6MT is awesome. The rev matching makes it shift like butter.

I own this same car and I'm having trouble believing your 41 mpg. Please explain how you could possibly get that. I get 27 city, sometimes more and 35 to 37 highway tops.

@@jdinn32 Most of my driving is spent cruising around 50mph which is probably the most efficient speed. The car is always light too with just me in it.

@@Zerbabilon alright hell yeah, but that is your average mpg?

HeiseiToReiwa Because they want to review Subaru’s even though they refuse to work with TFL

@@jacobyo99 IN the video, he bought the Outback for his own use, not just to review. That never was mentioned. And, furthermore in the video, he didn't wanted to push too hard that he might demage his brend new car.

Because people are supposed to hate CVTs for no reason these days.

And maybe that front big plastic grille is cheaper to make than a painted front bumper.

How are you liking your SE after all this time? Any issues? What mpg are you pulling? Thanks

@@wtfx5757 it's still a good, fun little car. 33.8 mpg right now.

@@KTown_Painter I’m thinking about a Corolla myself. Been driving my F150 as a DD for 10 years! The Corolla actually provides the most NA horsepower out of every other 2.0L engine out there! 84.5 hp per liter.

@Jay's son I just traded it for a 2020 Camry SE Needed the larger trunk space

@@KTown_Painter oh really? How is the performance of 2.5L? Do you feel like you should have sprung for the V6?

I’m thinking abt leasing the Xse. How much are your lease monthly payments?

@@yourmomfatachacks7976 we live in NY we put $2000 downpayment and 299 monthly

James Hume cool story

I wholeheartedly disagree. Do you drive, or have you ever driven, a manual transmission? It makes a small car like this a lot more fun. Except for when you are stuck in rush hour traffic. You simply can't compare a manual transmission to manually-operated hand crank windows, although they are fond remembrances, like not having a remote control for the television set. Also, hand crank windows won't let you down, like power windows when they fail. They are inherently more reliable, much like a manual transmission.

@@JJ-ls7fq We're not talking about a Miata here, and no one wants to be juggling their phone, coffee, vape device, makeup, etc.. while trying to row through the gears on their commute. That's the kind of car we have here, and I think even a supposed purist like you can see that. Anyway, the free market has spoken, so speak for yourself.

Agreed. The jury is still out on the long term prospects of those Honda turbo engines. Will they have the 20 year lifespan we have come to expect form a Honda? The Mazda 3 now has a torsion beam rear suspension while the Corolla's is fully independent.

@@rightlanehog3151 My 2020 AWD Mazda 3 drives fantastic!!

You had a good point until you say you recommend the corolla.

My camry as paddle shifters. Idk bow to use them lol

Davin Peterson and cvt transmission made it unreliable. Can’t win for losing.

Richard Favreau what are you talking about? Toyota owns Lexus. They put it in Lexus to save money and increase profit. It’s still a piece of shit. Do you really believe that Lexus wouldn’t sacrifice quality for profit? Cvt is shit dude. There’s no 2 ways about it. Literally every single car enthusiast and mechanic will agree with me.

@Richard Favreau True. They only had problems with the 2019 Corolla Hatchback which they recalled to fix

@Richard Favreau I have friends who have Civics with that motor and they have never had an issue with oil dilution. All direct injection engines will have some oil dilution, the issue happens when you don't get the engine up to temperature to evaporate the fuel that gets past the piston rings. I have a 2019 Civic and it's a blast to drive.

Mr M why anyone would purchase a cvt Corolla when a Camry could be had with more room and traditional automatic is beyond me. And for the same price.

@@haroldbeauchamp3770 I don't get it either, seems like yota is trying to push people into the larger segment. Why would you pay sane6 for a lil tin can

Richard Favreau I think the consensus is that the many years of horrible cvt reliability has tarnished the image of vehicles with a cvt. They’re considered cheap and throw away vehicles. Which is a shame because Nissan has some very nice looking cars. Toyota is quietly using a cvt so it doesn’t scare people away. But informed people will buy the Camry. It too can be had very well equipped for the same price as a Corolla. Obviously not exactly equipped but suitable for most people. If people knew that last month my local Toyota dealer had a backlog of 50 cvt replacements in the Corollas and Ch-r’s I’d bet they’d steer clear of these disasters and get the Camry.

@@haroldbeauchamp3770 they needed an unreliable replacement for an automatic. Can't have cars being trouble free for long. Any car guy knows cvt's are junk. They work fine on really light machines like snowmobiles and utv's which are basically cvt. But not automobiles. Although the Prius seems to be an exception.

Toyota knows their market. Won't be long and they'll just sell you a big Toyota logo for $10,000 so you can frame it and feel smug knowing you're so superior to everyone who doesn't have a $10,000 plastic logo.

Evan Katz yeah....I wouldn’t go around telling people that. The ladies aren’t impressed with old Corolla’s

Harold Beauchamp I Also Have A Subaru Crosstrek The Corolla Was Used By My Parents

Yes, the old ones with proven technology and relatively inexpensive are great. This new CVT $30,000 is not proven and definitely not inexpensive.