The 2024 Toyota bZ4X AWD EV is FINALLY Road Trip Ready

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The Toyota bZ4X has the dubious distinction of being the SLOWEST charging EV we’ve ever tested. BUT for 2024, the automaker says its flagship electric car will fast charge at a competitive rate, and we’re putting that claim to the test! In our Charging Challenge, we'll drain the bZ4X's battery and charge it back up to 100%, tracking the speed along the way. Find out how long you'll have to sit at Electrify America or EVgo when taking the 2024 Toyota bZ4X AWD on a road trip.
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⏱️ Chapters
0:00 Introduction
0:27 What's new for 2024?
1:03 2023 bZ4X DISASTER
2:00 Charging Challenge Methodology
3:33 Are you a Member?
5:28 What Happened?!?
7:10 Mile Markers
8:23 Conclusions
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@EVPulse 14 күн бұрын

🚨Do you have a 2023? You should be able to get a dealer-installed software update to add many of the 2024 updates. You'll want to reach out to your dealer for more information.

@TomLawlor-iq6gm 13 күн бұрын

I think software updates can be accomplished "over the air" with either a 23 or 24 Prime.

@chaseroo12 12 күн бұрын

The improved charging rate required hardware changes, so no software update will give a 2023 the ability to charge like the 2024.

@TomLawlor-iq6gm 12 күн бұрын

@@chaseroo12 Actually I was not aware the 24 can charge better than a 23. With our car, using the app, software updates are offered. None have appeared to date. We just plug-in our Prime each evening and it's a rare day we go through the charge on a daily basis. Amazed with this car even after having had two prior. So, maybe a hardware difference explains why our 2024 Prime is giving us such high range/milage. In EV I can reach 91Km on battery, and, that's without trying hard. In other words, above posted speed limits. At 0800 this morning the Trip Computer estimated a 94Km range (at 18c). In hybrid mode I've seen 62MPG with a light foot. Love this car.

@cbotten106 15 күн бұрын

Still not exactly what I would call a "road tripper". I'll just assume the Lexus EV gets these charging improvements as well.

@EVPulse 15 күн бұрын

The Lexus had better charging performance thanks to a different battery, but yes, the additional changes should carry over to the Lexus and the Solterra in one way or another.

@skincareaddicted 10 күн бұрын

I don’t find my 2024 BZ4X slow charging. It goes from 20 to 80% in about 30 min on dc fast charge. The car is so comfortable, so well made and is reliable. Everything I love about Toyota. I can’t wait to see the future Toyota EVs. I could care less about other makers because they don’t have reliability other than Honda, and it is far behind Toyota

@samatwesu 15 күн бұрын

I got same results in 77 degree weather on 350 kilowatt charger. I can get 260 miles all highway driving. Keeping it between 55 and 65 miles per hour.

@johnlodge8546 14 күн бұрын

@samatwesu I call BULL, on that claim. The BZ4X has 62 Kwh's of usable storage from 100% to 0% SOC. To get 260 miles of usable range your vehicle would need to get 4.2 miles per Kwh. In the BZ4X at 55 to 65 MPH, that is impossible, unless you always travel downhill all the time.

@BearsinGamesNeo-qt5ww 9 күн бұрын

@@johnlodge8546I've had mine for a month now in Vancouver and speed limits are looooow here. I've been getting the same results with similar speed consitions, 14.4kwh/100km or a bit over 4 miles per kilowatt hour. That's for a 80km journey to work each day and back with a big hill and about 20 mins of highway driving then 15 mins of city driving

@BearsinGamesNeo-qt5ww 9 күн бұрын

Driving at 70mph+ really does kill the range on this thing

@2.3_44XD-- 15 күн бұрын

There should be a price limit 45c is expensive enough. 60 cents is robbery

@2.3_44XD-- 15 күн бұрын

The government helps petrol to keep prices low. Should be the same with fast charging

@gregoriomurtagian5347 14 күн бұрын

@@2.3_44XD-- they dont need to help, the residential cost is < $.20

@jcmib7 8 күн бұрын

In Texas there are charging stations that charge .85c and $1.59 !!!! Yes! A dollar and fifty nine cents per kilowatt 😒

@markfitzpatrick6692 7 күн бұрын

You are not realizing the cost of installing chargers.

@markwright9025 15 күн бұрын

Thanks for the update, the changes obviously improved the charging, though still really slow. One thing though, I don't think Toyota stated that the AWD can charge up to 150kw. What they say is that the ideal charging speed is only achieved with a 150kw charger or above. It seems the max that people have reported for the AWD is 105 kw. If this is the case then they are correct saying you need a 150kw charger to achieve the max, but it seems that you (and others) have interpreted that to mean that it can charge up to 150kw. That's not the same. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks.

@EVPulse 15 күн бұрын

Initially, Toyota claimed 100 kW for AWD, and nobody could get beyond 80 (and only briefly). Toyota's press materials aren't clear (we know, for example, HMG used to do as you suggest and list a 350 kW charger even though the cars charge slower). We'll reach out to Toyota for a direct answer.

@EVPulse 14 күн бұрын

Toyota officially states to us that the maximum DCFC rate of the updated bZ4X is 150 kW, and showed us in the owner's manual where the owner can actually have the car limit the DCFC to "MAX, 125kW, 100kW, 75kW, or 50kW".

@BearsinGamesNeo-qt5ww 9 күн бұрын

Yeha I've recently bought a 2024 FWD and it seemed to have a pretty normal charging speeds though I've never seen it get anywhere above 120kwh no matter the charger

@TomLawlor-iq6gm 14 күн бұрын

.59 cents per Kwh...................mental. We charge at home for .1325.

@EVPulse 14 күн бұрын

Highway robbery, for sure.

@TomLawlor-iq6gm 14 күн бұрын

@@EVPulse We live in a place where we just spent `$16,000,000,000,000 on another hydro project. More than, a lot more than, double the projected cost. And, it's still not finished. Yet we pay just .1325kwh, and people here are "up in arms" about that price. If you have to pay .59kwh there's no point in buying a PHEV. We can charge our car from empty for around $1.65. With the warm summer days, we are seeing up to 91Km (56+m), on a charge. Way more than Toyota claims. Love this car.

@gp2003gt 3 күн бұрын

Maybe I missed it but does the BZ4X have battery pre-conditionning ?

@henriklarsson7835 15 күн бұрын

Thanks a lot for a quick and clear review. How does the BZ4X FWD fares in comparison. Any upgrades on that version?

@EVPulse 15 күн бұрын

It received the updates to show charging information and what not, but it already was a much better performer when DCFCing because of the different battery supplier.

@henriklarsson7835 15 күн бұрын

@@EVPulse Thanks a lot for sharing. Saw another test where they changed the FWD from 25% to 69% in 20 minutes. Not fantastic but ok compared to the competition.

@dianewallace6064 15 күн бұрын

It looks good too. I like the red and black.

@EVPulse 15 күн бұрын

On some colors we think the cladding is too much but this red really pops. - Chad

@dianewallace6064 15 күн бұрын

@@EVPulse It does.

@PassportBrosBusinessClass 15 күн бұрын

I have a 2024 Cadillac LYRIQ. There is nothing more frustrating than pulling up to the EVgo chargers and seeing a Toyota BZ4X in front of me. Those things charge really slow and I’ve timed them side-by-side with my own car. I get to 85% much quicker than they do.

@coolknight99 15 күн бұрын

Its no where near as bad as seeing 4 Chevy Bolts in front of you :0

@markfitzpatrick6692 14 күн бұрын

You are richer and don’t own the charger

@kelalamusic9258 14 күн бұрын

@@markfitzpatrick6692absolutely. Just because they have money, they think they have entitlement.

@kelalamusic9258 14 күн бұрын

You think because you are a rich snob with your fancy expensive Caddy you feel you have entitlement. Poor didums. 😢

@coolknight99 14 күн бұрын

@@markfitzpatrick6692 there’s maybe a 2-3k difference between a bolt and a Kia or Hyundai but those cars get 10x better performance so we can def complain 😂

@jnrivers Күн бұрын

The AWD version of the 2024 bZ4X still uses the 72.8kWh CATL pack that's limited to a peak 100kW rate. 150kW is the 71.4kWh Panasonic pack used in the FWD version here in the states, and both the FWD and AWD versions outside the states. I don't feel measuring charge speeds above 80% conducive in any EV, that's not what DCFC's are for. Just my two cents.

@kluas948 13 күн бұрын

Does it still have the 1-2 fast charge cap of the number of fast charging per day?

@EVPulse 13 күн бұрын

Based on what we've seen reported (which isn't guaranteed to be accurate, but we don't have a huge reason to question it) is that it's been raised to 4 (or slightly less, not sure how you get slightly less).

@tomeisenmenger7048 9 күн бұрын

Did Subaru make the same improvements to the Solterra (essentially the same car)?

@EVPulse 9 күн бұрын

Yes

@DCifuentesJ 15 күн бұрын

Can old models be upgraded to be able to do this?

@EVPulse 15 күн бұрын

There are some software updates that should help improve the experience (like the charging display, which we believe is rolling out to all models), but hardware changes are unlikely to be upgradable.

@ALMX5DP 15 күн бұрын

Glad they made some effort to keep that thing somewhat relevant. I presume the Solterra gets the same changes for 2024?

@EVPulse 15 күн бұрын

Yes, we believe the changes affect the Solterra as well.

@WiltonLiveTV 14 күн бұрын

I’m surprised that you didn’t restart the test or just try another day with so many problems.

@EVPulse 14 күн бұрын

Other than the payment issue we had no problems.

@bethmcguinn8606 15 күн бұрын

How long did it take to charge to 80%? I'm never going to charge to 100%?

@EzekielElin 15 күн бұрын

They said 36 minutes from 10%

@normt430 15 күн бұрын

Still limited to 2 DCFC per day?

@EzekielElin 15 күн бұрын

No - it's at least 3 but possibly higher

@thekat-ue1wr 15 күн бұрын

The bZ4X FAQ still says 3 DCFC cycles from low to 80% per 24 hours, same as post update that rolled out in the US last summer.

@stevezielonko1386 12 күн бұрын

I love my 24 bz4x we get 252 miles of range and 4.1miles per kw. Only fast charged 2 times.

@stevezielonko1386 12 күн бұрын

We've gone to lake George twice. The first time we stopped in rutland and fast charged on the way there. A dude with an e mustache showed us how to use the charger. This last time I skipped charging on the way up and plugged into the inlaws 110 volt. The range anxiety is slowly diminishing

@stevezielonko1386 12 күн бұрын

Mustang dont you love autocorrect

@EVPulse 12 күн бұрын

I kinda want to see a Mach-E Mustache, honestly :) - Chad

@mouthwatering-5413 11 күн бұрын

What about real world range test drive?

@ALMX5DP 15 күн бұрын

Seeing the payment issue got me wondering. I bet someday in the not too distant future card companies will be able to hold your vehicle hostage (lock the charger) or even pull (V2G) charge from your vehicle if you dont make your payments on time or are in default.

@EVPulse 15 күн бұрын

Got a spare Miata so we can drive something not connected all the time? - Chad

@ALMX5DP 15 күн бұрын

@@EVPulse haha I was just going to ask to see if you could "lose" a press vehicle so I could EV swap mine!

@davidgiles9751 15 күн бұрын

The 800v architechture of the Hyundai Motor Group EVs has been SIGNIFICANTLY better than this from the get go. I really expected better from Toyota, as I've owned two Rav4s in my time.

@BTC909 15 күн бұрын

Only $15,250 off for a Lease & $2500 off for a Purchase.

@normt430 15 күн бұрын

Or buy used for $25,000!

@TheLobo91 15 күн бұрын

@normt430 it's not even worth that. Buy a used model 3 for less than that. Teslas are 1000 times better than Toyota.

@normt430 15 күн бұрын

@@TheLobo91 for the grandma driving Toyota it is fine. Plus you won't find a used 2023 Tesla for under $25k.

@BTC909 15 күн бұрын

@@TheLobo91 CCS is reason enough to avoid the BusyForks.

@BTC909 15 күн бұрын

@@normt430 Hertz has Premiums for 22K. 12 nationwide.

@Garconbleu 15 күн бұрын

Someone got some sun. 😍 Hoping these changes also transfers to the Subaru and maybe they make some small styling changes as well. The Subaru could really improve on Toyotas whack looks.

@newscoulomb3705 15 күн бұрын

This is the charging profile and improvement we hope to see GM make for their Ultium EVs as well. These high-energy cell EVs should pull peak current until 40-45% before making a smooth, controlled taper to 100%. A 0% to 100% charge should be possible in no more than an hour to hour and a half on most modern pouch/prismatic cell EVs. Unfortunately, at this point, it seems to be more common than not that automakers are releasing EVs without a finished charging profile. Sure, it could be that the automaker still doesn't have enough data at the time of release, but it's not a great look when Hyundai, GM, KIA, Toyota, VW, and even Tesla are releasing charging programing patches a year or two after an EV model is first released.

@coolknight99 15 күн бұрын

Have you been able to press Toyota about why it can't reach the advertized 150kw? It seems the owners questions fall to deaf ears. To be honest, the charging times are pretty comparable with most cars on the market right now. Outside of the range most cars besides Kia and Tesla charge 10-80% in 25-35 minutes so its on par.

@EVPulse 15 күн бұрын

TBH we're surprised we were even able to get a car to re-test - we spent a considerable amount of time asking and trying to arrange something. You're right, the overall performance for a 400-volt car is now pretty par for the course, and there are some good lease deals out there on bZ4X. But there's also some good lease deals on E-GMP cars, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - Chad

@Molishious 15 күн бұрын

The BZ4X makes sense as reliable transportation around town if you can get it cheaply enough and you don’t mind the way it looks and performs. It’s the only EV that I know of that maintains the same horsepower on their FWD and their AWD vehicles. Almost like they wanted it to be unimpressive. “See, EV’s suck!” I don’t think Toyota cares at all about this vehicle, it’s a clear message that they don’t believe EVs are worth their time yet. I think they are taking a big risk by not investing in creating a competitive EV, but maybe they know what they are doing. I own a RAV4 Prime and that’s an excellent PHEV, but I’m not sure how much they believe in that either as they don’t make enough of them.

@dianewallace6064 15 күн бұрын

Huzzah!!

@john1701a 14 күн бұрын

The video missed the fact that there was a software update for the 2023 which delivered the same dashboard update as the 2024 and significantly reduced DC charging time in the 80-100٪ range.

@EVPulse 14 күн бұрын

We tried to test a vehicle with just the software update, but could only get the '24 with the hardware and software changes.

@john1701a 14 күн бұрын

@EVPulse The video should have stated that then, rather than leading viewers to believe the improvement was only for new models.

@EVPulse 14 күн бұрын

Fair enough, but since we didn’t test a software update 2023 we can’t independently verify the improved charging performance. Does it equal the new car with updated hardware? Is it somewhere in between? We don’t know. What we DO know is a 2024 AWD performs the way the video represents.

@EVPulse 14 күн бұрын

We will pin a comment here in a minute about the software updates for 2023.

@john1701a 14 күн бұрын

@@EVPulse Thanks for staying on top of such a dynamic topic.

@michaelvella8511 15 күн бұрын

Do us all a favor and make it a hybrid....

@EVPulse 15 күн бұрын

We believe Toyota would say it's the Prius ➡️ kzfaq.info/get/bejne/q9ufjNaA2-C4mX0.html

@Drewcardello 15 күн бұрын

It's called the RAV4 prime.

@gildardo 15 күн бұрын

No wonder these weren't selling.

@mowcowbell 15 күн бұрын

And they're Aztec ugly to boot.

@alanpeterson6768 15 күн бұрын

So you're saying that Toyota is up to 2018 standards?

@maduramarine 12 күн бұрын

THIS was your slowest charger? You all must've never charged a Chevy Bolt. Or a Nissan Leaf.

@EVPulse 12 күн бұрын

The Bolt charges quicker than a non-updated AWD BZ4X.

@antonykuo3809 8 күн бұрын

100kwh is for awd. 150 kwh is for fwd

@EVPulse 8 күн бұрын

For 2024, per Toyota officially, the peak is 150 kW for both.

@frankcoffey 9 күн бұрын

Toyota is horrified that people are buying the bZ4X. They sold almost 10,000 of them last year and might sell twice as many this year. They tried like hell to make this thing ugly, undesirable, and uncompetitive both in specs and price and it SILL didn't work. Toyota brand fans keep buying them! This is not only taking sales from higher profit vehicles it's proving them wrong about if customers want EVs. The good news? 100% of Camry buyers will "choose" the hybrid....because that's the only powertrain available.

@antster7 15 күн бұрын

Its almost drivable. If only they worked on the looks as well

@Snerdles 14 күн бұрын

What's wrong with the Toyotiac Aztec4x?

@antster7 13 күн бұрын

@@Snerdles🤢

@johnlodge8546 15 күн бұрын

Another question to ask Toyota is why do they reserve almost 15 percent of the gross battery packs storage. You also didn't state its' highway efficiency. The outgoing 2023 couldn't get better than 2.8 miles per Kwh at 70 MPH. This means running from 100% to 20% only nets roughly 140 miles, which is pathetic. Especially considering a 36 minute charge to 80% will only net you just under 110 miles of 70 MPH range.

@TomLawlor-iq6gm 14 күн бұрын

So, greed is seeping into the EV sector. Charging customers those exorbitant rates at public chargers will not encourage adoption. Simple answer is for governments to step-in.

@StewartMidwinter 15 күн бұрын

It's not true that EVs charge more slowly when it's cold. They charge more slowly when the battery is cold, not when the air is cold. That's why if you live in a colder climate, you should ensure you buy vehicle with battery preconditioning hardware and software

@marvinranaldson3457 15 күн бұрын

This is so much better.

@user-in1mt4in6e 7 күн бұрын

2 many doors!

@Snerdles 14 күн бұрын

Still kind of abysmal performance and inefficient vehicle in general, making it one of the worst choices if you ever go on trips that you may need to fast charge. I really wish manufacturers would advertise City/EPA/Highway range estimates. Skoda in the UK has a really great tool on their website where you can estimate your range based on weight carried, style of driving, and even the external temperature/weather.