The 3 a.m. call and the 1979 NORAD Alert

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The History Guy: History Deserves to Be Remembered

The History Guy: History Deserves to Be Remembered

6 жыл бұрын

That one day back in 1979 where the world almost ended.
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The History Guy remembers the 3 a.m. call of the 1979 NORAD alert at Cheyenne Mountain, Colorado, during the Cold War. It is history that deserves to be remembered.
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@prof2yousmithe444
@prof2yousmithe444 6 жыл бұрын
Just a heads up. My father worked for SAC and was called on base many times for false alerts. I was a kid at the time and this was earlier than the 1979 incident. He went to his base and we did not hear from him for more than three days. My point is this. This happened more than the public is aware of. Things then were in a state of flux and as new systems came online, older systems were phased out. This was both a good thing and not. Those old systems were not as prone to give a false attack warning as they had been modified over the years. The new systems were put in place far too quickly in my opinion. We had a system in the 60's that was called "Positive Control" meaning that SAC bombers, missile sites, and Naval assets were prepared to fire on a Presidential order. We can thank John Kennedy for this. This meant for the bombers, that the would fly to their "Fail Safe" points and orbit, until confirmation to attack or return. This made the Russians very, very, nervous. For good reason. They did not know if this was going to be the signs of a first strike or if it was merely an exercise. This is what we had to deal with. As a small child living near a very large, primary target for the Soviet Union, we all knew we had little to no chance of surviving. For decades we had a system called "LOW." This tacitly gave field commanders the authorization to launch on confirmation of massive launch from the USSR. This was ended by Reagan. "LOW" stood for "Launch On Warning." Most knew that the President would be hard pressed to give the "Go" order and while this is no longer the command, we can praise the good Lord it never got that far. My father described the Nov 79 incident as one of the most terrifying times of his life in SAC. The bombers were in the air and missile silo doors were opened. The only other thing he added was that he couldn't even call mom to tell her to move. We had a plan to head toward a cabin my grandfather had built in Canada in the 1950's. We would not have made it. Thanks for allowing me to take this time out and write to you on this.
@TheHistoryGuyChannel
@TheHistoryGuyChannel 6 жыл бұрын
Prof2You Smithe a lot of great information here. Thanks!
@ZuluLifesaBeech-
@ZuluLifesaBeech- 5 жыл бұрын
While a new Soldier in 1987 I was fresh out of AIT as 76 Yankee and shipped off to West Germany. At the Frankfurt reception station there were a lot of upset Soldiers that found out they would have to be re-classed into other MOS fields. They were all Pershing Atomic Missile crewmen and America had just signed a deal with the Russia to get rid of these nukes. These mobile launchers made the Russians very nervous too. So, that is when I guess the United States Army lost its long range nuclear capability. If war broke out the 11th ACR was hope to be combat effective for 1 day and hold the Fulda Gap, my unit the 3rd Armd Division was expected, considered to be combat effective for at least 3 maybe 4 days against the horde of Red Tanks. In DIVARTY, division artillery, we had one tube fired 155 MM atomic projectile that was to be lobe as last line of defense effort to stop enemy armor. The number of powder charge bags to fire it at maximum safe range would have breached the self-propelled 155 MM's barrel, I was told. Glad the lanyard never got pulled then. Pray other emerging nuclear capable countries will not swap atomic bombs in the future.
@BlaubartMT
@BlaubartMT 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Glen! I was a 13F assigned to DIVARTY on Hutier Kaserne, 1990-1992. Those were the days!
@capie44
@capie44 5 жыл бұрын
You would not have made your cabin in the '60's as well, because Canada was the killing ground for the nuclear-tipped "NIKE" Anti-ballistic Missles (ABM). The blasts from them may have got you as well. The fallout may have poisioned Canadian ground as well. Just adding to your informative narrative. Thanks for letting me know!
@ThunderAppeal
@ThunderAppeal 5 жыл бұрын
Prof2You Smithe This backs up my suspicion that the American political elite was largely staffed by sociopaths. Nothing they ever did was ever about protection or safety. The Americans carelessly installed a system that was unproven and had it been misinterpreted or someone with a trigger happy finger would have easily caused destruction of civilization at the very least. The media at the time naturally played up to Kennedy and LBJ, sociopaths, because no one would dare question Kennedy's PTSD ladened approach to 'keeping peace in the world'. Eisenhower at least tried to warn America about the massive military industrial complex, of which I myself was very skeptical, but it turns out Eisenhower was the one that wanted peace more than Kennedy or Truman. Truman can be quiet comfortably and properly be blamed for the mess of the Korean war and the disaster it left behind that resonates till this day with the split. And Vietnam was Kennedy's mess which that sociopath from Texas LBJ was only too happy to escalate with the imaginary attack on US forces at the Gulf of Tonkin. McNamara continues that sociopathic path of 'peace through mutually assured destruction' because 'American pride' had been injured in Vietnam as a result. It is just mind boggling and staggering how the US is all too happy to rush in to a 'conflict' or 'police action' which has formed US foreign policy till this day. Staggering also how the first war after WW2 that the US was only too happy to enter was exactly as a result of an idiot Major and a bunch of sociopathic morons up the chain all the way up to Truman. Is it any surprise that Eisenhower didnt want to have anything to do with the Korean war? He was the only man with a half a brain amongst a bunch of blood thirsty war hungry sociopaths in the US power chain. He did the best he could. But along came everyones darling Kennedy, which I suspect he also didnt want to go in to Vietnam but the power structure he was surrounded by didnt like that and had him assasinated so that LBJ could continue the satisfying the blood thirst prevalent amongst the American elite.
@carlmanvers5009
@carlmanvers5009 5 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of the tale of Stanislav Petrov. The Soviet officer who likewise saved the world by recognizing a false alarm in their early warning detection system in 1983. Another honest to God hero. It really is amazing that we aren't all incinerated by now.
@jtc1947
@jtc1947 5 жыл бұрын
CARL? I wonder if the SOVIET HERO survived HIS JUDGEMENT that the computers were wrong? Seem that I have HEARD that guys on the SOVIET SIDE were treated very harshly???
@allanbrogdon7453
@allanbrogdon7453 5 жыл бұрын
@@jtc1947 yes but was kicked out of the military for saving the world.We should have helped him.
@gunther_hermann
@gunther_hermann 5 жыл бұрын
An even greater hero, and one less recognized, is Vasili Arkhipov. As commander of a Soviet submarine flotilla he was aboard submarine B-59 when, during the height of the Cuban Missile Crisis and under constant harassment by the US Navy, the Captain and Political Officer decided war must have broken out and they should launch their nuclear weapons. Under any other circumstances, this was sufficient for the release of nuclear weapons. However, as Arkhipov was aboard and flotilla commander his approval was also required, which he withheld. But for his decision, where the Captain and Political Officer of B-59 had already decided to use nuclear weapons, the world was spared. It's uncertain as to whether another officer would have made the decisions Petrov did, to not start the ball rolling over a single launch detection, but what is certain is the decision to use nuclear weapons had been made, but was stopped only by the presence of Vasili Arkhipov. An interesting aside, Arkhipov present on submarine K-19 and was played by Liam Neeson in the movie 'K-19 The Widowmaker'. His actions during that emergency helped give weight to his opinion later during the B-59 incident.
@gaslitworldf.melissab2897
@gaslitworldf.melissab2897 5 жыл бұрын
It's the one thing I expect will not happen, but Kim Jung Un seems like he'd happily see the world destroyed. To him that'd be a victory since he controls the life and death of his own citizens.
@allanbrogdon7453
@allanbrogdon7453 5 жыл бұрын
@@gunther_hermann On a documentary about that submarine Ot was so hot the Captain got down to 88 lbs.He was. ready to launch the special torpedo imagine the stress.
@nickmauldin8825
@nickmauldin8825 2 жыл бұрын
If I’m not mistaken, this is the story that got the movie War Games made. They had a workable script but thought the story line would be so unbelievable it’d never get made…then this happened. One of my fav 80’s movies.
@J.R.in_WV
@J.R.in_WV Жыл бұрын
What’s more amazing is that Dr. Strangelove was made 15 years BEFORE this happened and spelled out exactly what could occur if human judgement wasn’t allowed in things like ending the world with ICBM’s. It has even been suggested that that book and Movie may very well have been what caused the two men who stopped these two near world ending flukes to think before reacting in spite of rules and regulations saying not to.
@hankkingsley9300
@hankkingsley9300 Жыл бұрын
Well, I'll tell you what he did, he ordered his planes… to attack your country. Well let me finish, Dimitri. Let me finish, Dimitri.
@kleverich
@kleverich Жыл бұрын
It's definitely one WOPR of a story.
@MagicAl5F4781
@MagicAl5F4781 Жыл бұрын
Reagan, being a movie buff, talked about WarGames in a cabinet meeting and demanded to know if anything like that science fiction could happen. Officials went to gather some information to educate him but in doing so, discovered some problems that led to one of the first serious government cybersecurity reviews.
@clarkkentsuperman5911
@clarkkentsuperman5911 Жыл бұрын
"Shall we play a game?"
@davemitchell116
@davemitchell116 Жыл бұрын
Eight years before this on 20 FEB 1971, NORAD sent a false alarm to over 5,000 radio and television stations via UPI and AP wire services. I was an announcer on the air, and alone, at KOCA-AM in Texas when the alert came over. I broke the top-secret envelope and the code word matched ("hatefulness"). However, it came over at the exact same time as their weekly test and I knew immediately somebody had screwed up. The wire service continued to send ordinary news, weather and ball scores so I knew there was no need to activate the Emergency Broadcast System and scare the crap out of folks. It proved to be the right call, but later my dad got me to thinking when I told him about it. He said, "The test time would be the perfect time for the Soviets to attack." Oops!
@mortgagefinancing5558
@mortgagefinancing5558 Жыл бұрын
LOL sure you were
@davemitchell116
@davemitchell116 Жыл бұрын
@@mortgagefinancing5558 Sure I was what?
@six6617
@six6617 Жыл бұрын
@@davemitchell116 he's probably saying he thinks you're lying
@davemitchell116
@davemitchell116 Жыл бұрын
@@six6617 What motivation would I have for that? He's probably a kid. Children love to get online and make useless remarks.
@six6617
@six6617 Жыл бұрын
@@davemitchell116 hey man, i don't know you and i don't know him either, i don't know if you're telling the truth or if you're lying. I'd say that if the story's true, it's a nice one, and if it isn't well, it's still a nice story, though fictional. that being said, him instantly assuming you're lying isn't very nice and the same goes for you assuming he's a kid, i guess? great day to you both
@alexanderthomas2660
@alexanderthomas2660 6 жыл бұрын
“Wouldn't you prefer a nice game of chess?” “Later. Let's play Global Thermonuclear War.”
@idrisddraig2
@idrisddraig2 6 жыл бұрын
tic tac toe
@mikebronicki6978
@mikebronicki6978 6 жыл бұрын
Thomas Greenall ahhh... I see what you did there :D
@AdonisJones
@AdonisJones 5 жыл бұрын
Greetings, Professor Falken
@randyballweg6079
@randyballweg6079 5 жыл бұрын
Or Bio toxic Global Nuclear war....
@jockellis
@jockellis 5 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite movies. Saw it four times at the show, bought it on VHS and again on DVD. My older brother was a Minuteman crew chief, getting out 10 years before this. Crews were on for 36 hours and, according to my sister in law, the men would come out to be picked up so tired they wouldn’t recognize their wives. I couldn’t grasp this until staying awake 60 hours prior to our first child’s birth then not recognizing my in laws.
@johnwilson8377
@johnwilson8377 4 жыл бұрын
If history would be taught like this in school there would be many more history buffs. Thank you.
@amkrause2004
@amkrause2004 2 жыл бұрын
He's very good that's for sure
@flagmichael
@flagmichael 2 жыл бұрын
My wife and I have had that conversation many times; we hated history in school and loved it when we discovered it afterward. The emphasis on testable content turned life in interesting times into meaningless rubble.
@cheddar2648
@cheddar2648 2 жыл бұрын
Teachers are union members and give the least minimum effort to get their activist pensions from the American Socialist State.
@RS-ls7mm
@RS-ls7mm 2 жыл бұрын
Most teachers seem to burn out after only a few years. Too many dead eyes in the classroom. Then its just a paycheck. Only alive teachers I had were in the elective classes where the students chose to be there.
@cardphins68
@cardphins68 2 жыл бұрын
@@cheddar2648 Nice! How about the U.S.O.R. The United States Of Ritalin? Public Sector Unions have done MAJOR damage to this country!
@MrJhbowman
@MrJhbowman 3 жыл бұрын
My dad worked at NORAD at this time. He would tell us he was going up to the “Mountain.” He came home late that day if memory serves me,, shaken and called me to check in. He never gave me the details as he held a high clearance, but was worried for a long time about that instance and some “damn 46 cent part.” Thank you so much for sharing this important piece of history. You share the best content.
@chrisfev01
@chrisfev01 2 жыл бұрын
My Dad worked at NORAD then. He was the technician that discovered that a “simulation” hard drive had been booted in a failover incident caused by a brief power loss in the complex. We were about 30 sec from retaliating when the discovery was made.
@edwinbeltran2677
@edwinbeltran2677 2 жыл бұрын
that's scary! I remember our college professor used to served in US Navy during the Cuban crisis when he was a teenager, their main task that time is to block the Russian ships from entering to Cuban waters. He told us most of them were afraid too... if the Russian ships carried on surely their ship will fire. Fortunately they turned around..
@KingOfHockeyNow
@KingOfHockeyNow 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, doesn’t that make your Dad one of the most critical people in human history?
@chrisfev01
@chrisfev01 2 жыл бұрын
@@KingOfHockeyNow - our family has discussed this event only a few times - it was classified for a long time, so we did not find out about it until many years after it happened. We are grateful that God put him at the right place at the right time. I recall my Dad saying that the Command Center was in complete chaos during the incident.
@CrisisGuildWOW
@CrisisGuildWOW 2 жыл бұрын
I call BS. According to the video, everything hinged on satellite and ground based radar for confirmation that never came.
@chrisfev01
@chrisfev01 2 жыл бұрын
@@CrisisGuildWOW - good for you, call BS all you want. - I’ve got no desire to try to convince you. Cheers buddy.
@timpeterson2738
@timpeterson2738 5 жыл бұрын
I remember seeing the B52s' scrambling fully loaded flying overhead, and I mean at least a dozen. I was outside working with my dad who was ex airforce, I asked him" Is this what I think it is ?" He said "Well we'll know in less than 10 minutes, -get back to work !" That simple come back said it all to me, still working.
@Followerofchrist2091
@Followerofchrist2091 2 жыл бұрын
Jesus…
@pedalingthru2719
@pedalingthru2719 2 жыл бұрын
@@Followerofchrist2091 what kind of work were you doing at 4:13 am
@Followerofchrist2091
@Followerofchrist2091 2 жыл бұрын
@@pedalingthru2719 why tf does it matter to you?
@Astrocat-od5cy
@Astrocat-od5cy 2 жыл бұрын
@@Followerofchrist2091 what did they say that has you so pressed
@Followerofchrist2091
@Followerofchrist2091 2 жыл бұрын
@@Astrocat-od5cy Wtf do you kids want? You’re up my ass about making a comment that literally has no context. I said “Jesus…” because I thought it was cool af/ interesting, now you little dumb turds are questioning me like some fking autistic mf’s
@kawzmoe
@kawzmoe 5 жыл бұрын
A strange game. The only winning move is not to play...
@SamuelVSSwindell
@SamuelVSSwindell 5 жыл бұрын
Indeed, we did win because we did not play. Not playing was the whole point! "Peace is our profession."
@Dr_Do-Little
@Dr_Do-Little 5 жыл бұрын
Who knew an 80's teenager movie was based on a real story!
@nonelost1
@nonelost1 5 жыл бұрын
@@Dr_Do-Little J.O.S.H.U.A.
@lithostheory
@lithostheory 5 жыл бұрын
I just lost the game again... for the first time in years :^\
@tmanmatt213
@tmanmatt213 5 жыл бұрын
Lithostheory fuck I must’ve been going on 5 or 6 years by now
@daveshreeve4413
@daveshreeve4413 Жыл бұрын
I don't know about this 3 AM stuff, but I remember it very well. It was a Friday and we were having a regularly scheduled exercise. I was with the 26th NORAD Region/Air Division at Luke AFB, Arizona. For the exercise we would be operating on the exercise side of the system, while those not participating in the exercise were on the Live side monitoring real world air traffic. Shortly after the exercise started, at about 0900 Mountain Time, everybody was directed to the Live side and to look for high speed targets. We didn't learn until sometime later that day what had happened.
@dronecreations2139
@dronecreations2139 Жыл бұрын
The 3 AM story has been repeated to me several times by folks senior to me while I was working at NORAD. Maybe it's a repeat of a myth, but it makes sense.
@daveshreeve4413
@daveshreeve4413 Жыл бұрын
@@dronecreations2139 We had NORAD exercises every Friday on day shift. This one particular day they got about 10 - 15 minutes into the exercise and told everybody to switch their consoles over to the live side and look out for high speed targets. When I got home from work that day it was all over the news about the false alarm. Did they have two false alarms because someone put the exercise tape over onto the live side????? I would tend to doubt it.
@bartgoins1782
@bartgoins1782 Жыл бұрын
9 Nov 79 was two years to the day after I enlisted in the USAF. I was a Security Policeman stationed at Malmstrom AFB, MT (SAC) working in the Weapons Storage Area when that alert happened. Yes, I remember it.
@jonthinks6238
@jonthinks6238 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your service.
@DopaminedotSeek3rcolonthree
@DopaminedotSeek3rcolonthree Жыл бұрын
What does one even think to do when faced with such dread?
@bartgoins1782
@bartgoins1782 Жыл бұрын
@@DopaminedotSeek3rcolonthree, I just remember thinking "oh crap," and putting on my "alert gear." We took up our "defensive fighting positions" as if that was going to help.
@DopaminedotSeek3rcolonthree
@DopaminedotSeek3rcolonthree Жыл бұрын
@@bartgoins1782 If I had anything to add to that, I would, but it's probably such an impossible thing to wrap my head around until I actually experience something like that.
@AnneEloiseOfCNY
@AnneEloiseOfCNY Жыл бұрын
@@bartgoins1782 Thank you for your service! I was in my late 20's, a teacher in NYC. I appreciate what you did to protect America, if necessary! I am assuming I would have perished. But it would have been important the nation survive. You would have seen to that. Happy New Year 2023!
@dwoodman26
@dwoodman26 4 жыл бұрын
'Gentlemen! You can't fight in here - this is the war room!'
@shingshongshamalama
@shingshongshamalama 4 жыл бұрын
Oh NOW you've seen Tron.
@m2heavyindustries378
@m2heavyindustries378 4 жыл бұрын
*Looks around* Really?? No one? I'm the only one!?
@ginnyjollykidd
@ginnyjollykidd 3 жыл бұрын
@@m2heavyindustries378 I need to!
@rmacbobco
@rmacbobco 3 жыл бұрын
I've never heard of Dr. Strangelove
@cesarebeccaria7641
@cesarebeccaria7641 3 жыл бұрын
"Dr. Strangelove...or How I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb." Stanley Kubrick's 1964 classic black comedy about the end of the world. IMDB 8.4 (Compared to 7.1 for Wargames, by the way.) Peter Sellers (playing three parts), George C. Scott, Sterling Hayden, Slim Pickens.
@kevinhasch3097
@kevinhasch3097 5 жыл бұрын
Why do people watch "reality" television when you can watch stuff like this?
@jwenting
@jwenting 4 жыл бұрын
because reality is not as entertaining (even though far more interesting) than "reality"?
@buzztp5119
@buzztp5119 4 жыл бұрын
AMEN !
@kevsecker3182
@kevsecker3182 4 жыл бұрын
There is more reality in this program than in modern reality tv.
@wmorris3484
@wmorris3484 4 жыл бұрын
This is scary. Vote trump and let’s see just how scary it can get
@mikejones9961
@mikejones9961 4 жыл бұрын
coz they're stupid like W Morris
@helbent4
@helbent4 2 жыл бұрын
Someone remembered. The tabletop roleplaying game "The Morrow Project" was released in 1980 by Timeline Games. It was set 150 years after WWIII breaks out in then-near-future 1989. The cause? During an unannounced full simulated alert exercise, someone loads a training tape into the computers at NORAD, triggering an accidental retaliatory strike against the USSR. The fact this was written into the game introduction in late 1979 or early 1980 seems rather coincidental.
@ericcrabtree6245
@ericcrabtree6245 2 жыл бұрын
For those too young to remember that time and wonder how this was possible, you have to know a couple more things. First, the US military was still feeling the effects of the post Vietnam draw down. Inflation was high, unemployment was up, and we were in our 2nd energy crisis in 5 years. At that time, we had gone through a period when you could only get fuel every other day, depending on whether your tag ended in an odd or even number. Also, we were 5 days removed from the fall of the US embassy in Iran and our attention was not on the Soviet Union. If they were going to make a move, the timing was sensible.
@D-Vinko
@D-Vinko 2 жыл бұрын
Timing a nuclear war would be the least of ANYONE'S worries. Especially in the 70s and 80s. We have a fraction of the number of nuclear weapons as there was at that point in time. Timing would be a non issue, at the height of American Progress, or the worst wells of American Inefficiency, a nuclear war would exceptionally return any and all man back to an age before a lifespan above 25. Nuclear war would be so totally destructive, the idea behind warfare's most important concepts, like flanking, or being secretive, would not matter even slightly. The way it was, and is; prevents that from being a consideration. They don't care if we know, or don't, they don't care if we were weak or not. It wouldn't matter anyway. As far as countries are concerned, nuclear weapons are a great equalizer. This is why North Korea so desperately wants them, so it too can be locked infinitely in a silent conflict of waving around nuclear weapons, except for countries like Korea are likely to use those nuclear weapons, and countries like Russia wouldn't be too opposed to using them.
@anthonyiocca5683
@anthonyiocca5683 Жыл бұрын
@@D-Vinkoit can become complicated when an entity threatens to use such weapons in order to satisfy demands…
@martinjenkins6467
@martinjenkins6467 Жыл бұрын
Yeah with a cold animal like Breshnev in charge he could have Decided to strike. Carter was the Weakest president he had to deal With. He was your typical commies , Replaced Nikita Kreshev
@kevin7rxxx346
@kevin7rxxx346 4 жыл бұрын
“Sir, Turn your key”
@michaelhawthorne8696
@michaelhawthorne8696 4 жыл бұрын
Kevin 7 Rxxx A nod to 'War Games' ?
@rwshaw1234
@rwshaw1234 4 жыл бұрын
"Turn your key, SIR!"
@devox3291
@devox3291 4 жыл бұрын
Also, Red Alert 2. Watch the awesome video intro to this computer game on YT. You can watch all the cinematics for the game on YT. The game was AWESOME and the very entertaining cinematics really helped fuel your imagination as a player. But everyone should see the awesome intro vid to that game
@jaronimo1976
@jaronimo1976 4 жыл бұрын
@@michaelhawthorne8696 I was immediately thinking of wargames. Great to have lived through the eighties.. :-)
@georgschenkfilm
@georgschenkfilm 4 жыл бұрын
Pls talk faster
@boboman67
@boboman67 5 жыл бұрын
History that needs to be remembered, but apropos this story “a hero that needs to be remembered “ Stanislav Petrov , whose bravery saved the world, when all alarms at his Ukrainian satelit observation post indicated a major US Nuclear attack . (From the book and movie , the man that saved the world) About this , i have an Ukrainian wife, daughter of Sovjet naval officer (stationed in kamjatka nuclear submarine base during Sovjet time) On my way home from visiting her, when we first started dating, i was flying with the Russian flight company aeroflot , i was upgraded to first class and was seated next to a Ukrainian General , i was reading “the man who saved the world” during the flight and the general showed interest about my book, due to the cover of the book, i told him the story, he had never heard about, but ny father in law knew about this incident, he knew these days when it happened that Stanislav Petrov was suspended due to the incident, he was never honored these days, first honored from US side in the late 90’th (i think it was ). Excuse me my bad english .
@nkenchington6575
@nkenchington6575 3 жыл бұрын
whose
@jed-henrywitkowski6470
@jed-henrywitkowski6470 2 жыл бұрын
Your Lastname does not seem Russian. Btw, I think it's neat that rite after your comment, is one from a person who was close to our (American) side of things. #NoMoreBrotherWars. #PeaceForEuropa #OneMothermanychildren #EuropeanAmerican
@sheilatruax6172
@sheilatruax6172 2 жыл бұрын
Your "bad English" is not a worry. I wish to thank you for your input. It just goes to show "heroes" can be on both sides of any conflict. Praise to the Most High, that cooler heads were available to filter information through!
@828enigma6
@828enigma6 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your comment. And your English is good. Understood what you were saying well. Petrov should have been honored by both sides after investigation.
@natehill8069
@natehill8069 Жыл бұрын
Actually, I think your English is at least 70 percentile; even compared to American YT videos...
@gdsstarks
@gdsstarks Жыл бұрын
My first night of shift work was the 5th of November 1979 at BMEWS Site 1 "J" site Thule Greenland I was a civilian 19 year old employee of ITT/FSI the DoD contractor. I was a new utilities person (janitor) and part-time voice comm operator (telephone operator) I placed and monitored personal phone calls, nightly. Everyone was allowed 1 Morale Call per week for 15 minutes. When this happened I was in training on shift and all 3 BMEWS sites world wide and the 56 Dewline stations and NORAD inside Cheyenne Mountain Colorado Springs went on "minimized" voice communications. What a introduction to the Cold War for me. I worked there until May 1982. What a time what a place to be at such a young age. One of the best times of my life.
@Pooyuck
@Pooyuck 3 жыл бұрын
I spent 26 years in the missile operations, missile warning, and space career field. It might be interesting for the History Guy to make a video about what happened after these glitches and how NORAD changed procedures to make sure (as much as possible) that this would not happen again. It is also history that should not be forgotten.
@Paladin1873
@Paladin1873 6 жыл бұрын
I was a young USAF lieutenant stationed in Texas in 1979. I may be recalling a different event, but a SAC Minuteman missile crew commander was reassigned to our organization about this time and became my office mate. He told me about the incident and initially thought it was a very realistic drill until the point where they inserted the launch keys. Then the order came to stand down. He was told the mistake was due to the Soviets having conducted an unannounced dual test launch, which was something they had never done before. Our satellites immediately picked up the flares and sent the warning message before calculating the trajectories as being nonthreatening. Perhaps it was a different event, which if true, gives me a case of the willies. Sleep tight America - your Air Force is awake.
@davidhollenshead4892
@davidhollenshead4892 6 жыл бұрын
Death wears bunny slippers....
@ronaldrobertson2332
@ronaldrobertson2332 6 жыл бұрын
Colonel K I was a young airman at POL school at old Chanute AFB when we were restricted to our dorms for the day without being told why. I recon I know why, although I think I knew something was up back then and just shrugged it off back then.
@Paladin1873
@Paladin1873 6 жыл бұрын
Ronald, I'm a former fuels officer myself, but by the time I went through the Supply Officer and Fuels course, it was being taught at Lackland AFB (Medina Annex) where I started my career. As an aside, the Supply, Transportation, and Logistics Planning Officer career fields are now a single merged career field called 21RX Logistics Readiness. However, their enlisted equivalents remain separated, so the 2F0XX (fuelies) still enjoy their semi-independence, living at the far end of the field where they can host BBQs and beach parties without interference from Group or Wing leadership.
@ronaldrobertson2332
@ronaldrobertson2332 6 жыл бұрын
Colonel K I was wondering where they moved the fuels management course after they closed down Chanute. I was there from when I finished basic (September'79-early December'79) in the 3372nd school squadron. SSGT John Shinstock was my instructor. I remember walking everywhere on that base, especially where the old Civil Air Patrol barracks were when I was there for summer encampment five years before. the barracks were gone. 😢
@Paladin1873
@Paladin1873 6 жыл бұрын
I never visited Chanute, but my Dad went through the aircraft engine maintenance course there in the late 40s. He told me he and one other airman had already earned their A&E ratings before enlisting in the Air Force, so the instructors told them to just sit in back and remain quiet while they taught the rest of the students. Lots of bases are shuttered now, and others have since merged. For example, Lackland started out in WWII as an annex to Kelly. They were later split into two bases. Now, what remains of Kelly has become part of Lackland. The only constant is change.
@donaldkeeler1234
@donaldkeeler1234 4 жыл бұрын
I still remember the night this happened. I was in the 6th grade. My dad was the company 1st Sgt. When he got a call and had to report to the base. He was stationed at Ft. Carson which sits at the base of Cheyenne mountain. Right in front of NORAD
@kgunter1955
@kgunter1955 Жыл бұрын
In 1982, I was an USAF 306X0 T ( Electronic Communications and Cryptographic Equipment Technician ,E&I). I was a Team Chief installing cryptographic equipment, and I was sent TDY to Cheyenne Mountain for this same problem. After becoming familiar with the system, I was sent to Griffis AFB NY for a conference to discuss how to prevent this from happening again. Got to work on the NEACP aircraft. Scary stuff!!
@Herbsswamp
@Herbsswamp 2 ай бұрын
I was at Pete Field when a Air duct spring broke between Pete Fld. and Norad. Met General Hartinger later on. Space Command original.Cival Engineers.
@tomp8094
@tomp8094 2 жыл бұрын
I was a Minuteman II ICBM Combat Crew Member during the height of the Cold War and during my 30 year USAF career also worked as a Watch Officer in the Cheyenne Mountain Combat Operations Center. Your piece brings back lots of wonderful memories.
@clarkkentsuperman5911
@clarkkentsuperman5911 Жыл бұрын
What did you guys really do while locked in that bunker?
@Idrisjj
@Idrisjj 4 жыл бұрын
I was a lowly sailor in the Royal Navy at that time. On that day we were called to 'action stations' without prior warning (which was normally given for excercises) at (as I recall) about 22:00. We were in the Mediterranean between Italy and Malta at the time. At 06:00 we were 'stood down'. No explanation was ever given (until now) Thank you for clearing that up (it was no great mystery, we were occasionally put 'on alert' from time to time just to keep us sharp)
@tinafoster8665
@tinafoster8665 2 жыл бұрын
There is no lowly sailor in the RN even the guys turning valves on the Black Gang are heroes. Takes ballz to go below the waterline n do your job knowing you could get a Russian torpedoe up your bum any old second
@andie_pants
@andie_pants 5 жыл бұрын
"Mr. McKittrick, after very careful consideration, sir, I've come to the conclusion that your new defense system sucks."
@NBT2469
@NBT2469 4 жыл бұрын
One of the best lines of the movie by General Barringer.
@gmccord1970
@gmccord1970 4 жыл бұрын
I don’t have to take that from you you pig-eyed sack of shit.
@nommadd5758
@nommadd5758 4 жыл бұрын
@@gmccord1970 : "Oh, I was hoping for something a little better than that from you sir, a man of your education."
@FlashCadallic
@FlashCadallic 4 жыл бұрын
@@NBT2469 That and," I'd piss on a spark plug if I thougth that would help."
@mikelucas3119
@mikelucas3119 4 жыл бұрын
"I don't to take that from you you pig-eyed sack of shit"
@rogermwoodbury4966
@rogermwoodbury4966 2 жыл бұрын
Another excellent historical video presentation, History Guy! It made me think about "anomalous propagation", the ability of certain atmospheric conditions to bend radar waves in strange and unpredictable ways. In the late 1960's I was an Air Force GCI (Ground Control Intercept) controller stationed at North Truro Air Force Station on the tip of Cape Cod. Our unit was known as a back up intercept control unit and was equipped with the latest third generation air space management system (BUIC III). This system received radar information about the northeast corner of the United States from ten different radar sites in addition to our own search radar equipment peering out across the Atlantic. This radar data was computer analysed and presented on rectangular screens on about a dozen computer consoles in the Operations Center. Our mission was to serve as a back-up command and control center for the much older, larger and more powerful SAGE Direction Centers that were the primary command and control centers for air space military air traffic control in the United States and Canada. The theory was that the SAGE centers would be primary nuclear targets and they would be taken out in any first strike activity. When that happened, aircraft command and control would automatically transfer to the BUIC III sites and at that point control of Air Force interceptors flying against Russian bombers would revert to controllers like me. Once every week we practiced actual, life LEVEL III operations. In Level III, the Sage Directon Center was turned off and our unit at North Truro (called: Sleeper Control) would become the primary control facility for defensive aircraft in the northeast corner of the U.S. I remember one bright and sunny morning when we were Level III. I was not yet fully qualified so I was in the Operations Center as a part of my training. It was a quiet late summer afternoon. Suddenly at around noon the system came alive with a warning alerting operations crews to something strange: east of North Truro suddenly there appeared what looked like a mass attack at relatively low altitude. Where there was nothing that radar displayed at one minute, suddenly there were around twenty radar returns at the eastern most edge of our radar coverage. Those radar "tracks" were all heading west toward the continental United States. Suddenly we went on full alert, NO DRILL inside the control center. In those days we had F106, F101 and F102 interceptors on alert 24/7. There were aircraft on standby at Otis Air Force Base, at Atlantic City, Bangor, Maine, in Vermont (Vermont Air National Guard), Westfield Massachusetts, and often at Loring AFB in northern Maine. There were always two aircraft on five minute launch in at least two locations, the first being always at Otis. There were many interceptors on 15 minute standby and others on thirty minute standby. Our senior director's responsibility was to order the launch of the five minute interceptors once the incoming radar tracks reached a certain distance from the coast. Two things held back a true "flush"...order for ALL interceptors to launch...was the fact that the radar tracks were moving quite slowly AND perhaps most importantly, the only radar that actually "saw" the mysterior radar tracks was the radar located at North Truro. None of the other ten radars saw any mysterious radar tracks over the ocean. I seem to remember the speed varying from less than a hundred miles per hour to mach .5, and the flight level of the tracks also varied from a few hundred feet to ten thousand feet or so. It really made no sense. There was an interceptor training area that was located off the coast and ran north and south along the coast of Maine. We used this for intercept training for both aircrews and controllers. As it happened that morning there were two F106 interceptors practicing various kinds of intercepts under our control. The Senior Director ordered those interceptors out further toward where the mysterious radar tracks were and the aircraft were vectored to the area. The weather was clear but a fog bank was moving east from further out, the pilots reported. The interceptor fire control radars showed no aircraft returns. The F106 fire control radar was really effective up to around 30 miles and had good performance looking forward and up and very little ability to look down, so the F106's descended gradually from their initial twenty thousand feet. Still no radar returns. The F106's were not loaded with weapons and the Senior Director had about a minute or so to launch the uploaded five minute interceptors. Now down to 10,000 feet and heading back to base, one pilot sited down on the surface of the ocean, about twenty or so sail boats scattered but obviously sailing in roughly the same direction which was west. As I recall it now, suddenly the mysterious radar tracks that could have been a massed Russian bomber raid, just faded away. There was a scramble in our maintenance department to verify the quality of the radar signal and the final verdict was that the radar signals from our search radar had been bent and the "Russian bomber raid" was actually the sail boat race out off Cape Cod. At that time the sailboats had all turned from the furthest point off the coast and were headed back to the race finish line and the boats were not hundred of miles off the coast, but much closer in. It was anomalous propagation that had bent the radar waves just enough and for just long enough to give us all a "white knuckle" experience. That had happened once before not long before off the coast of Vietnam when a US NAVY destroyer had fired on several boats that seemed to be attacking it. And we all know how that incident turned out.
@stevecooper2873
@stevecooper2873 Жыл бұрын
wow !
@clarenceputnam7995
@clarenceputnam7995 10 ай бұрын
Thank you. Very interesting.
@ThePzrLdr
@ThePzrLdr 3 жыл бұрын
I was 21 years old in 79 and to this day I never knew this had occurred. Thank you for remembering this history.
@sheilatruax6172
@sheilatruax6172 2 жыл бұрын
It escaped many. I only had an inkling because I lived in Denver. Had a friend, Air Force tech sgt, who worked at Cheyenne Mountain. What can I say. From an Air Force family, with currently USAF active duty friends. Knew something was going on, but not what or how severe. I'm happy the Cold War stuff is behind us, kind of. Just hope Putin doesn't resurrect that, too.
@paladinhill
@paladinhill 2 жыл бұрын
Most Americans never knew and most still don't have a clue.
@garybulwinkle82
@garybulwinkle82 2 жыл бұрын
I was nineteen and at college in LA. Never heard anything on the news or in the paper! This is the best reason for not hooking everything up to AI! The human element gives us that last bit of human intuition to save us from over reacting and blowing everything to kingdom come!!
@vampov
@vampov 4 жыл бұрын
"A strange game. The only winning move is not to play."......."How about a nice game of chess?"
@omaha2pt
@omaha2pt 5 жыл бұрын
It is both a memory and a warning. I love history, not because I hold on to the past, but because of the lessons for the future. History repeats itself because people don't learn the lessons.
@ZuluLifesaBeech-
@ZuluLifesaBeech- 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah my brother is on his fourth wife!!!!!!! Dude could have been a millionaire! Love is game, marriage is a GAMBLE!!!!
@loriboufford6342
@loriboufford6342 4 жыл бұрын
That's gotta give a creepy feeling. Ug.
@Dwendele
@Dwendele 2 жыл бұрын
The 80s movie, "War Games" was loosely based on this. “A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?”
@PaulHawkins
@PaulHawkins Жыл бұрын
The Inspiration for "War Games" and, by extension, "The Miracle Mile"
@gregfarley5737
@gregfarley5737 5 жыл бұрын
I grew up about 10 miles from NORAD in Colorado Springs, from the late 1968 through 1982 and never heard a word about this. Thank you so much for this tiny look into the history that almost was.
@CybranM
@CybranM 5 жыл бұрын
I'm still amazed humanity survived through the cold war
@Dr_Do-Little
@Dr_Do-Little 5 жыл бұрын
It was an accident...
@Wok_Agenda
@Wok_Agenda 5 жыл бұрын
I'am amazed that the working class survived with all the looting of the war industry
@Nirrrina
@Nirrrina 5 жыл бұрын
I'm still surprised humanity has survived period. Much less gotten to where we are. Hopefully we will keep getting better and better.
@jamesprivet
@jamesprivet 5 жыл бұрын
We haven't yet!
@regularfather4708
@regularfather4708 5 жыл бұрын
We survived because nobody wanted it. We survive today, because nobody wants it.
@terrygampper5789
@terrygampper5789 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks History Guy: I was on alert duty at one of the Minuteman launch control facilities at Grand Forks AFB on that early morning. I was awake at that time doing homework for a college class I was taking. Then it happened, the quiet of the night was rudely interrupted by a message over the primary alerting system. These messages were routine, happening quite frequent, all that was required was decoding the message preamble and acknowledge to the squadron command post. But, this message was unique. It was real! I woke up the deputy commander who was sleeping at the time, he decoded the message and came to the same conclusion as I, we opened the red box, removed the keys and inserted them into the launch switch. Once the keys have been inserted, they cannot be removed by the crew. A few minutes later, we received a message to stand down and life was back to normal.
@jed-henrywitkowski6470
@jed-henrywitkowski6470 2 жыл бұрын
How are they removed? it sounds like in this case, they had to be eventually removed. Oh, and what happed to the keys for each decommissioned silo?
@terrygampper5789
@terrygampper5789 2 жыл бұрын
@@jed-henrywitkowski6470 A special team had to come out to each site to remove the keys and place an protective seal around the launch switch. The keys were returned to the red box. Not sure what happened to the keys after decommission.
@paladinhill
@paladinhill 2 жыл бұрын
@Terry Gampper do you remember what time it was that you got the PAS msg? Was it like 0900 local time or more like 0300 local time? Do you remember how long it was from the time you issued the EWO backout command to the maintenance pukes until you told them to resume normal operations on the LFs? Thanks!! Tango-6, Malmstrom. P.S. did you put your ascot back on so you could die looking good in full combat crew uniform? 🙂
@terrygampper5789
@terrygampper5789 2 жыл бұрын
@@paladinhill It's been a long tome ago so memory is cloudy. It happened around 0300 The deputy was asleep at the time. After decoding the message, twice to make sure, I woke up the deputy and told time to get up and decode the message. Both of us came to the same conclusion, we opened the "red box", inserted the keys and waited. We were in uniform, complete with ascots and gun. I guess we wanted to look spiffy for whatever was going to happen! The whole event took less than an hour. A crew came out about a couple of hours later to remove the keys and put the seals on the launch switch. I was at Alpha-0 at the time, less than 10 miles from the Canadian border. I remember that both of us were very quiet during the ordeal, after we were ordered to stand down, it seemed like just another day at the office. Hope all is going well for you!
@alexsis1778
@alexsis1778 2 жыл бұрын
@@jed-henrywitkowski6470 Essentially what happens is that the lock is designed so that it mechanically jams or "freezes" itself when turned. There are plenty of locks designed like this for both retaining the key and against picking attacks where its better to jam a lock than allow someone unauthorized entry. In order to remove the key the lock needs to be removed and reset by a locksmith. If you'd like to know more about how locks of this type can be made i'd recommend checking out LockpickingLawyer episode 527. Its not especially hard to reset them, but i imagine it was probably done by people with a rather high security clearance and under guard considering that they're briefly disabling the security systems on nuclear missiles in the process.
@jaywhoisit4863
@jaywhoisit4863 2 жыл бұрын
My old man was in the RCAF at the time. His duties included recovering aircraft and their missiles that crashed while nuclear armed. On that day he went on alert and was sent to a staging area in the north of Canada waiting for any mishaps with dud missiles or crashed aircraft. He says he was actually convinced he was involved in a nuclear exchange. Said he never got back to base and stood down for 72 hours.
@TS-ev1bl
@TS-ev1bl Жыл бұрын
Really? Why? As it says in the video, it was discovered to be a false alarm and the stand-down was given by NORAD within just a few minutes after the warning first occurred (other accounts say less than three minutes).
@jaywhoisit4863
@jaywhoisit4863 Жыл бұрын
@@TS-ev1bl obviously the truth is far from what we are told.
@edgy1rocks
@edgy1rocks 4 жыл бұрын
I was a SAC missile launch crew commander on alert in a Minuteman III launch control center for a couple of these events. One of the emergency checklist items (everything was on a checklist) was a conference call with the other crews in the other launch control centers. I remember one of the deputy commanders on the conference call saying, "The first checklist item should be 'put on clean underpants'!" We practiced emergency war order and missile launch procedures in the simulator every month but there were always instructors or evaluators watching us. To go through those procedures in the actual steel-reinforced concrete capsule 60-80 feet below the surface with no one else watching was surreal.
@alexsis1778
@alexsis1778 2 жыл бұрын
I have a friend who worked on one of the minutemen mobile command centers they put in the back of 18 wheelers. He has a story where one time they were headed somewhere on a deadline for a training exercise in full military kit when they got pulled over by a cop in the absolute middle of no where. My friend showed them his "get out of jail" card (as he called it) and said they were on a deadline. The police officer replied "That means nothing to me. I can print one of those up with about 10 minutes work" and demanded to see what was in the truck. My friend replied that it was all classified and he couldn't show him. The police officer tried to open the truck anyway and my friend was forced to pull his gun to stop him. Right about this time backup for the police officer arrived and my friend ended up allowing himself to be "arrested" (while wearing a full combat loadout) to de-escalate the situation as his partner drove the truck to the local police station under escort. He ended up spending about 6 hours in a detention cell before someone could get down there that the cops would actually believe. The entire joint training operation ended up going on without them and they got listed as "casualties of war" because of a rural cop that wouldn't believe that an 18-wheeler driven by some guys in fatigues, body armor and carrying automatic rifles and military documentation could actually be military lol.
@charles1964
@charles1964 2 жыл бұрын
@@alexsis1778 I know, a Cop on a Power Trip....Who Would Ever Believe That?
@michaeldoonan1429
@michaeldoonan1429 2 жыл бұрын
I missed the 1979 issue, but was at Foxtrot LCC, MAFB for the two issues in June 1980. It made for two very long nights.
@murdaone261
@murdaone261 2 жыл бұрын
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@loopshackr
@loopshackr 6 жыл бұрын
My grandmother celebrated her 100th birthday on 9 Nov 1979. I'm glad the party was able to go on.
@sends2aaron
@sends2aaron 5 жыл бұрын
Me too
@Zebred2001
@Zebred2001 5 жыл бұрын
An historic day indeed!
@valsptsd814
@valsptsd814 5 жыл бұрын
Few of us have the pleasure of having family celebrate such a historic event. My great grandmother lived to 103. I share such pleasure.
@treojoe1077
@treojoe1077 5 жыл бұрын
@loopshackr That is really great! How is she doing?
@cplpetergriffin1583
@cplpetergriffin1583 5 жыл бұрын
@@treojoe1077 Shes dead dude
@gilanbarona9814
@gilanbarona9814 2 жыл бұрын
My father was a pilot in the Philippine Air Force at the time. We were never told, but we detected an unusually high and tense level of activity in the USAF facilities at Clark AB. Now I know, after all these years, thanks to the History Guy.
@Gordon705
@Gordon705 3 жыл бұрын
I used to know an Air Force missile Officer who was on duty that morning. I don't know the launch procedure but he did. The missiles were loaded and warmed up with only the final launch button/key left to go when the stand down and return your missiles to the ready state order came. They were pages and pages past the point of no return to ready state. Thank God these were very educated Officers who then began writing the book on how to turn off an ICBM. It took days to bleed down pressurized tanks and reset computers. Every missile returned to the ready state safely.
@paladinhill
@paladinhill 2 жыл бұрын
Your friend musta been a Titan weenie... liquid fuel and all. our Minuteman were allsolid propellant, no pressure needed... and they'd be half way to Moscow before the mighty Titans got outta the hole. 🙂
@Gordon705
@Gordon705 2 жыл бұрын
@@paladinhill all part of the plan, even the sogy ones.
@ryanhill2774
@ryanhill2774 2 жыл бұрын
@@paladinhill we test launched our Malmstrom minuteman II from Vandenberg in "82, They told us not to pick up pieces of solid propellent on the beach left over from failed launches. Our missile was a direct hit on Kwajalein islands.
@paladinhill
@paladinhill 2 жыл бұрын
@@ryanhill2774 Do you remember the incident where a LF Logic Coupler drawer was lost out of a truck by a 341st OMMS maintenance crew? It slid out of hte truck onto the snow, was picked up by a salesman who lived in Washington state, and was later returned to MAFB?
@ryanhill2774
@ryanhill2774 2 жыл бұрын
@@paladinhill Drawers weren't fully coded until installation, but that was still a serious security breach. '80 - '83 was my tour at MAFB We were mostly teenagers fresh out of Chanute AFB tech school. Driving hundreds of miles to LF's saw many events with or without deep snow. The morning safety briefing always included 'Don't swerve to miss small animals' (the most frequent excuse for driving off the road)
@004Black
@004Black 6 жыл бұрын
Scary day. I was in boot camp in the Coast Guard in Cape May, NJ and they woke us up early that morning without explanation and had us out drilling long before sunrise. They never did tell us why, lol.
@loganknowsnoneofyourbusine263
@loganknowsnoneofyourbusine263 5 жыл бұрын
What would y’all have done? I mean i can imagine your instructors just doing rounds of therapeutic drill waiting for vaporization as you recruits had no clue. Far fetched but it’s an interesting thought.
@hkhjg1734
@hkhjg1734 5 жыл бұрын
Andrew hohenthaner how would you remember that specific day in bootcamp? that behavior sounds common in bootcamp.
@pyreneesfarm7818
@pyreneesfarm7818 5 жыл бұрын
I was a motor route paper carrier around FT. Carson that year. I remember every military person I delivered to was awake, their engines idling, fully dressed, with their families awake. That was a night I was not sure dawn would come with my family in Colorado Springs alive.
@ElectroDFW
@ElectroDFW 4 жыл бұрын
Years ago, I worked the night shift, and after watching the morning news before bed, I didn't know if there'd be a world to wake up to that night. That was Sept. 11, 2001. Sobering times that feel not quite real. I feel you. Peace.
@SwordsmanRyan
@SwordsmanRyan 4 жыл бұрын
Because you know the Springs would’ve been a primary target and the whole town would’ve been vaporized.
@daxvolfan
@daxvolfan 3 жыл бұрын
@@ElectroDFW not sure I could have slept in that situation
@hankkingsley9300
@hankkingsley9300 2 жыл бұрын
@@ElectroDFW the problem is America doesn't have the guts 2 nuke who needs to be n u k e d
@dirkditmer453
@dirkditmer453 3 жыл бұрын
In the mid 70s my father was Assistant Command Director at NORAD. My brother and I were some of the first people under 18 to be allowed "into the mountain". Can still see it, impressive complex, even then. Due to the times, no cell phones, etc, if something "happened", they would go to "lockdown", and shut the doors. There were a few times we wouldn't hear from Dad for 2-3 days. When he did get home, he would lock himself in his office with a bottle of scotch. Always wanted to ask him just close we came to being dust. Years later, he talked about it a little. The stories that made my skin crawl were the times he said they were tracking something going faster than any man-made object was capable of, being on the phone with the Russians, "Is that yours? No, is that YOURS? No". As he told me, "Blue book hell, they have an entire library" Strange place. The stories it could tell.
@moow950
@moow950 Жыл бұрын
Reminds me of the UFO videos of the Airforce which were released a couple of years ago.
@michaelpalermo6408
@michaelpalermo6408 2 жыл бұрын
I was stationed at March AFB during these "glitches". I don't remember the one on November of 1979 (I was probably asleep at the time, but my 4 years in the Airforce are kind of a blur these days 45 years later ) But I was on duty when one of the "glitches" in 1980 happened. Being a SAC base at the time with B52D model bombers with Nukes on board were on alert and KC135 tankers as well, I still can recall that it happened (I wish I can remember the exact date), the B52's and KC135's on alert taxied out and after what seamed like forever (we were waiting for the aircraft to do there usual monthly high speed taxi and dump there water on the runway) the first bomber started rolling down the runway for takeoff! 15 seconds behind the first bomber, the second bomber started to roll. (MITO Minimum Interval Take Off). The recall was received, just as the first bomber was at V1 (rotation speed) and the commander of the aircraft decided not to fly and deployed the chute and stood on the brakes! Pretty exciting for a 21 year old!
@tombolo4120
@tombolo4120 Ай бұрын
June 3 according to FOIAs over on BlackVault. Do you remember the time of day/ night ?
@Sleeping_Insomiac
@Sleeping_Insomiac 5 жыл бұрын
Brzeziński's wife probably suspected something happened the next day, when washing his pants...
@grumpyguy2877
@grumpyguy2877 4 жыл бұрын
😄🤣😄🤣
@tammywhite3892
@tammywhite3892 4 жыл бұрын
Lol yea
@ginnyjollykidd
@ginnyjollykidd 4 жыл бұрын
Code Brown, I suppose?
@Kpopzoom
@Kpopzoom 3 жыл бұрын
Brzeziński laments before his death - "it is now easier to kill a million people than it is to control them".
@Narpets2112
@Narpets2112 2 жыл бұрын
lol
@markreynolds9135
@markreynolds9135 5 жыл бұрын
Another history related tidbit is how NORAD began tracking Santa Claus.
@user2C47
@user2C47 4 жыл бұрын
How does NORAD track an object with 0 heat signature and a very tiny radar signature traveling at 6c with noclip on?
@rearspeaker6364
@rearspeaker6364 4 жыл бұрын
@@user2C47 simple---"trade secret!!!!"
@teebosaurusyou
@teebosaurusyou 4 жыл бұрын
@@user2C47 As a Canadian, we've been able to track Old Saint Nick for decades. This on a need to know basis.
@paulnewkirk7351
@paulnewkirk7351 4 жыл бұрын
When NORAD was started, they thought that Santa was a UFO.
@ginnyjollykidd
@ginnyjollykidd 4 жыл бұрын
All because of a wrong number! They really make a big thing of it, now!
@fullscreennationalism1658
@fullscreennationalism1658 3 жыл бұрын
I never knew the movie WarGames was based on a true story
@ladyscholar3421
@ladyscholar3421 3 жыл бұрын
It wasn't. It was loosely inspired by true events.
@celebrim1
@celebrim1 3 жыл бұрын
@@ladyscholar3421 It has about as much in common with real events as 'The Sound of Music', 'Remember the Titans', 'Amadeus', 'Hidden Figures', or 'Argo'. A lot of things get passed off as based on a true story that are actually only loosely inspired by true events.
@pleasedontwatchthese9593
@pleasedontwatchthese9593 3 жыл бұрын
@@ladyscholar3421 lol they where jokeing
@Hulktom2000
@Hulktom2000 3 жыл бұрын
@@ladyscholar3421 loosely
@davidleethompsoniii8263
@davidleethompsoniii8263 3 жыл бұрын
Me To... Could someone please document all the information that's become available in the meanwhile.... On this incident.. then do that Video As a lean movie War Games... Hey ,If Steve Spielberg isn't busy, that would be nice. Thank U Steve. Being on the internet there's been several times where the government is been like one inch away from destroying the world... We need someone new like Bobby Kennedy like when he said you know they want to have a nuclear war and kill hundreds of millions of people and then after that we have won... CRAZY.
@ronlassonde2640
@ronlassonde2640 3 жыл бұрын
I remember that day well. I was a SAC crew member on a alert B-52D when that happened...we all thought WW3 was about to begin.
@michaelpalermo6408
@michaelpalermo6408 Ай бұрын
Where were you stationed when this happened?
@onines1
@onines1 6 жыл бұрын
I was there in 1980. Ran out to our EC-135C to launch off alert. Canceled 7 minutes later. Gets your heart going. We were told the next day 'it never happened so don't talk about it'.
@michaeloneill9696
@michaeloneill9696 5 жыл бұрын
I was assigned to NORAD Command Center [N/J3C] from 1989 to 1991as an Emergency Actions NCO; was the EC-135 CinCNORAD's and was it his airborne CP?
@Argosh
@Argosh 6 жыл бұрын
Instead Cheyenne Mountain is now hosting the Stargate.
@ZuluLifesaBeech-
@ZuluLifesaBeech- 5 жыл бұрын
No that is where they guard Richard Dean Anderson's Mullet wig!!! LMAO from your comment!
@wonniewarrior
@wonniewarrior 5 жыл бұрын
I understand from actual Cheyenne Mountains tours they actually have a door marked 'SG1'. Turns out it is a broom closet, and some one at the base has a great sense of humour, or they sick and tired of being asked about SG1.
@martythemartian99
@martythemartian99 5 жыл бұрын
You beat me by 5 months :)
@virgofmadness1417
@virgofmadness1417 5 жыл бұрын
@@wonniewarrior What?? *I MUST SEE THIS DOOR*
@johntabler349
@johntabler349 5 жыл бұрын
I knew I wasn't the only one thinking that
@feudist
@feudist 2 жыл бұрын
Driving to my new duty station at Fort Carson in 1987, I pushed on through darkness trying to get there. About 2200 I took a wrong turn and headed towards Cheyenne mountain. When I saw a N.O.R.A.D. sign I knew I'd screwed up. Moments later I heard a siren and saw blue lights. But it wasn't the cops. I stopped and looked back and saw a jeep with Airmen bailing out and pointing their M16a1 rifles while another swung a pintle mounted M60 machine gun my way. Yikes. Fortunately my orders and I.D. and tag number all matched and I was politely directed to go in THAT direction. Serious times.
@natehill8069
@natehill8069 Жыл бұрын
One night I flew as cargo into Hurlburt AFB on a C-130 that needed repairs (since a bunch of C-130s are based there). Base Ops sent a truck out to the plane pick us up. Then he (you know - the local driver who works there and is there to keep visitors from getting lost and is thoroughly briefed on local procedures) drove us right thru the middle of the ramp where the "Air Commandos" (the "special" C-130s) were parked. Suddenly surrounded by skycops, blue lights everywhere, stopped the truck, everyone (you know, the 5 people in USAF uniform that just landed in a USAF plane riding in a USAF truck) face down on the ground. I asked the AP if, before he shot me, I could borrow his M-16 to shoot the dumb f**** that drove us thru there.
@ihateracin
@ihateracin Жыл бұрын
@@natehill8069 the funniest part about this is it’s exactly the kind of hazing base ops drivers do nowadays (of course there aren’t that extreme of reactions) but somehow your incident seems almost unintentional. Like he HAD to have known what he was doing, but equally had to have not known in order for it to happen. People suck, I’m sure that moment stuck with you a while aye?
@natehill8069
@natehill8069 Жыл бұрын
@@ihateracin Yup, memorable. I especially remember the red stripe on the pavement surrounding the ramp area where the specials are parked - "Use of Deadly Force Authorized". Now more what I would consider hazing, a few years earlier a base ops driver (who was awaiting dishonorable discharge for drug use and had accordingly lost his clearance - perfect choice in my book to drive cars around multimillion dollar aircraft) at McGuire AFB was hauling our duffel bags on his shoulders and just let them drop to the pavement. I assume he did this because he could hear the clinking of the dozens of wine bottles we had bought in Germany. Ironically, none of mine broke - I had declared them and paid the duty; the other guys had not.
@ihateracin
@ihateracin Жыл бұрын
@@natehill8069 what an absolute scumbag, that said I also know someone who just got an OTH for cocaine xD
@davidfrench5407
@davidfrench5407 Жыл бұрын
@@natehill8069 I did engineering on an airport that had an Air National Guard base with C-130s. We were digging out and replacing the taxiway that went right by the ANG ramp, their fully loaded C-130s tore up the pavement leaving the ramp. Everything we did was coordinated with the BCE (base civil engineer), and one thing that was made clear to us, and then to the contractor once it was bid, was DO NOT CROSS THE RED LINE. EVER. We were told if we did, we'd be on the ground with a machine gun in our back. I don't know how they monitored the red line (eyes in their tower, cameras, or something else electronic), but nobody made that mistake.
@jeffsmithist
@jeffsmithist 3 жыл бұрын
I was a copilot on nuclear alert at Anderson AFB, Guam when we got klaxon. Odd since we had already had the usual practice scrabble earlier in the week. It was after bedtime when the klaxon went off. Crew of six roused from sleep and responded. I remember sitting in the cockpit in my pajamas and a helmet, when the EW, electronic warfare officer and the radar navigator decyfered the message and it said launch. Six twenty somethings all of sudden became very somber. The aircraft commander ask them to to verify the message again and it said go. We started the engines and began taxing out to takeoff to drop out nukes on (xxxx) before a message came to cancel the launch. We were understandingly relieved, but would have filled our mission as ordered
@tammyt3434
@tammyt3434 5 жыл бұрын
From what I understand, Cheyenne Mountain is now half museum, half "we spent way too much on this to close it".
@NovaScotiaNewfie
@NovaScotiaNewfie 2 жыл бұрын
It"s not manned like it was. The RCAF monitors NA Airspace from CFB North Bay. The USAF/Space Force monitors the Airspace from different bases Cheyenne Mountain is an alternate location but if the needs arise the required personnel would return and operate from it.
@MostlyPennyCat
@MostlyPennyCat 5 жыл бұрын
I really want to hear this guy exclaim, "Inconceivable!"
@plngym
@plngym 4 жыл бұрын
Or “SCIENCE!”
@BrendanFinnstrom
@BrendanFinnstrom 3 жыл бұрын
I do not think that word means what you think it means.
@Javelina_Poppers
@Javelina_Poppers Жыл бұрын
I was assigned to the Cheyenne Mountain Complex from 75 to 79 and rotated out shortly before this incident. There were the lighted signs everywhere indicating the current DEFCON status, 1 to 5 and every time the status would change a loud buzzer would sound which would make you jump. The highest Defcon I saw while there was 2 and I recall the status words assigned to them at the time. Defcon 2 was "Lemon Juice" and Defcon 1 was "Big Noise" which was appropriate since Defcon 1 indicated we were at war. I will say that Cheyenne Mountain was the best duty station I had while in the Air Force, a truly impressive piece of engineering. One thing I will say from experience, if there had been a solar flare during this 1979 incident, there's a good chance none of us would be here today. The charged articles emitted by solar flares raised hell with our early warning spy satellites we had back then and caused lots of false alarms of possible missile launches. For that reason NORAD had a unit to keep them advised of occurring solar flares.
@DuxRiser34
@DuxRiser34 2 жыл бұрын
I was on duty that night at SAC HQ. This guy knows what he is talking about. "Peace is our Profession". We collectively, served and ended the Cold War without firing a shot. The dissolution of SAC is a testament to its resounding mission success. Of course, no one really cares outside of those that have served in the U.S. Military. I still hope that some day, the Cold War and its warriors will be recognized for our achievement but I'm not holding my breath.
@Pooyuck
@Pooyuck 2 жыл бұрын
I was in the hole at C01, Ellsworth AFB that night.
@billybob2372
@billybob2372 Жыл бұрын
93rd AMS Castle AFB CA. We went on alert alot in the late 70s, but that alert was different. We knew this alert was different, this time we were saddling up for real. They were prepared to disperse most of the base to other locations. Peace is our profession, killing is just a hobby. Fellow SAC trained killer
@billybob2372
@billybob2372 Жыл бұрын
It sucks that I'm not eligible to join the American legion because I didn't serve during combat or time of conflict
@samlogan8096
@samlogan8096 Жыл бұрын
@@billybob2372 Hey, this is the real answer, from the American Legion web site. -- If you have served at least one day of active military duty since December 7, 1941 and were honorably discharged or you are still serving active military duty honorably, you are eligible for membership with The American Legion. Unless you are 100+ years old, you qualify.
@billybob2372
@billybob2372 Жыл бұрын
@@samlogan8096 I can double check and maybe they've changed the rules but I know some high ranking people in the state legion office in California and I've posted what they said. I'm still a veteran that just worked on SAC aircraft and that's good enough for me
@zacharysimons7419
@zacharysimons7419 4 жыл бұрын
I was stationed at Barksdale AFB when the 1979 event happened, all of the alert bombers were parked on the Hammer Head with engines running. I was an aircraft radio repairman and had to do a repair on one of those bombers. The conversations in the cockpit with the crew put a bit of a scare in me because I could hear it in their voices. I don’t remember how long the bombers sat there waiting to be called to stand down, but I bet to them it felt like forever.
@patriot9455
@patriot9455 4 жыл бұрын
I was delivering a motor route of morning papers near Fort Carson that night. every officer was awake, and had their cars running with the doors open, some had suitcases in the trunks. A few took their papers in person, they were all pale as death. I will never forget that night.
@12ar34sw
@12ar34sw 3 жыл бұрын
I remember that day like it was yesterday. I was on duty that night. I was alone and received an order to recall all troops in my department. I was at Offutt AFB. I worked maintenance for the 55th. We launched the Looking Glass' primary alert bird. We had at least one Looking Glass already in the air doing routine patrol. I can't remember if we launched the cocked spare. The E-4 was ordered to launch. It's crew arrived and it taxied. It held up on the hammerhead waiting because their might be an error. Those little computer errors were a near death experience for all of us. The memories of those issues are enough to stop me in my tracks while I relive the memories.
@paladinhill
@paladinhill 2 жыл бұрын
Those of us who were directly involved can't forget 9 NOV 1979; those who weren't can never fully understand what we all felt at the time.
@judydavenport9636
@judydavenport9636 2 жыл бұрын
I love learning history too, but what I especially love is the way you narrate your stories.
@sk8rdad
@sk8rdad 5 жыл бұрын
I remember weekly drills in my school where we had to hide under our desks during the cold war to prepare for the imminent nuclear attack.
@RicardoGarcia-of2mf
@RicardoGarcia-of2mf 5 жыл бұрын
Me 2, duck an roll, then we be OK!
@scottl9660
@scottl9660 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe I’m younger or maybe I just lived too close to strategic targets when I was a kid, but we never had drills or duck and cover. The idea we would survive didn’t seem to be considering likely by the adults.
@almostfm
@almostfm 4 жыл бұрын
​@Smith-Mundts Modernization Act (Look into it) Well, obviously if you get one dropped on your head it wasn't going to do any good. But if you were far enough away to survive the actual blast, but close enough to sustain damage, it could protect you from falling debris. It's the same reason they do the drills now in California for earthquakes.
@TheMechanator
@TheMechanator 4 жыл бұрын
@@RicardoGarcia-of2mf Well,l not ok. But you might survive the initial flashburning and blindness then the shock wave . Better than surviving that less injured than catching a falling building directly. The after part, well, that's the saddest part. Might not be worth living for.
@TheMechanator
@TheMechanator 4 жыл бұрын
@@almostfm Exactly, you might survive outside of the 10psi overkill zone and avoid being blinded /burned by the flash. The afterward effects of fallout and economic ruin is another thing to deal with later, but the initial strike is what duck and cover was about.
@bigdmac33
@bigdmac33 5 жыл бұрын
"MEIN FUHRER, I CAN WALK!!! "
@catjudo1
@catjudo1 5 жыл бұрын
We'll meet again... don't know where, don't know when... I can never hear that song without thinking of nuclear annihilation because of that movie...
@TheJavaMonkey
@TheJavaMonkey 5 жыл бұрын
“Mr. President, we cannot allow a mineshaft gap!”
@CamH-mc5wt
@CamH-mc5wt 5 жыл бұрын
YES! I was wondering is anyone would quote Dr. Strangelove down here!
@dr.ofdubiouswisdom4189
@dr.ofdubiouswisdom4189 5 жыл бұрын
* " There'll be NO fighting in the War Room!!! "
@samsum3738
@samsum3738 4 жыл бұрын
Slaaauuughtered
@skipsassy1
@skipsassy1 3 жыл бұрын
"I don't think we can condemn the whole project Just because of a single slip up" Dr. Strangelove
@todddanforth8853
@todddanforth8853 Жыл бұрын
That is such an amazing story. Having a pressure suit just barely work is golden -- the difference between surviving or not. 👏👏👏👏👏
@flipndoris
@flipndoris 4 жыл бұрын
I remember this channel when it had less than 1,000 subscribers and I followed it over the years. Love the content and will keep watching. It might be worth pursuing the story of the early days of NORAD. In the summer of 1940 FDR met with the Canadian Prime Minister Mackenzie King in New York State in the small town of Ogdensburg where FDR's private train was parked while he reviewed troop training exercises in the north country. Even then they knew that it was only a matter of time before America would join the other allies in WWII. They moved the train to the even smaller town of Heuvelton, not far away and after an overnight visit, the Prime Minister and FDR signed an accord that would eventually give rise to NORAD. In 1955 a misprinted phone number led to the tradition o NORAD tracking Santa on his ride from the North Pole each year. It is a part of history that should be remembered. Cheers.
@TheHistoryGuyChannel
@TheHistoryGuyChannel 6 жыл бұрын
The documents that give a detailed description of the timing of events are still largely redacted. Some references assert this alarm came at 9am, not 3 am. The description of the 3 am phone call was recounted in Robert Gates 1996 book “The Ultimate Insiders Story of Five Presidents and How They Won the Cold War.”
@davidhollenshead4892
@davidhollenshead4892 6 жыл бұрын
Did you know that the US Government intentionally allowed the computers needed to make the Soviet equivalent of the US early warning radar array, to help prevent an accidental nuclear war?? While the computers were not for export to the CCCP under US law, they were sold thru a company in Greece, as "used office equipment", allowing the Soviets to build a safer early warning system. The Soviets were behind on developing Information Technology of their own, because they initially viewed it as merely a financial tool for capitalists, because this was the main use for early computers. The military uses of computing was kept secret in the west, for years...
@readhistory2023
@readhistory2023 6 жыл бұрын
I was stationed at Ft Carson in 1979 and we definitely thought the 1st alert was real. The second and third alerts we blew it off as a computer glitch, which is what it turned out to be.
@brianoneill7186
@brianoneill7186 6 жыл бұрын
I was in kindergarten on that date, in the San Francisco Bay Area. I had a vague memory of the school sirens going off one morning. I don't know if that would have been on 11/9/79, or possibly one of the 1980 false alarms. But I've discussed this with a friend from my hometown, who attended a different school, but recalled the siren going off there, as well. on the 9th, and said that other sirens in the area were also activated. So, that evidence seems to confirm that the first phone call that started this mess would have been at 9 a.m. E.T, and that it would have taken much of the morning to resolve it. At any rate, most Americans would not have 'slept through it'.
@alwayscrabby7871
@alwayscrabby7871 6 жыл бұрын
Very good video. Thank You.
@wrencher1998
@wrencher1998 6 жыл бұрын
David Hollenshead makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside 😳 OMG
@bradmiech5743
@bradmiech5743 3 жыл бұрын
This video was meant for me to see. History deserves to be remembered. Thank you
@jasons8479
@jasons8479 Жыл бұрын
The solution to a "bad guy" with a weapon is a "good guy" with a weapon. Where have I heard that impeccable logic before?
@celtspeaksgoth7251
@celtspeaksgoth7251 Жыл бұрын
and a couple of billion innocent bystanders who get caught in the crossfire.
@randym2704
@randym2704 4 жыл бұрын
I remember this event. I was stationed at Grand Forks AFB, ND as a Gunner on B-52H bombers. I was on alert and was woken in the middle of the night by the klaxon, Up and dressing while technically asleep was odd. Funny note, I dressed so quickly and charged out the door that much later I realized my boots were on the wrong feet. Not knowing what was going on as the crew went to their pre-launch checklist as 6 bombers and 6 tankers fast taxied to the end of the runway where we sat for a couple of hours. I did eventually have time to put my boots on the correct feet to my chagrin as the crew ribbed me for quite some time.
@danielgregg2530
@danielgregg2530 2 жыл бұрын
The public can at least take heart that we in the submarine ballistic missile force were never that discombobulated. We drilled constantly in this scenario and always knew what was going on and always showed up to work ready to go. The fucking air force ought to be disbanded.
@randym2704
@randym2704 2 жыл бұрын
@@danielgregg2530 HaHaHa :)
@chrisfev01
@chrisfev01 2 жыл бұрын
@@danielgregg2530 - it wasn’t an Airforce staff member that was to blame. The simulation hard drive was left on the main frame by a civilian contractor that worked for DoD (Philco Ford). The mistake was discovered after my Dad read the log book that had an entry about the test on the previous shift. He literally walked over to the computer and flipped a physical switch to boot back to primary. As soon as the boot sequence completed, the bogeys disappeared from the screens.
@danielgregg2530
@danielgregg2530 2 жыл бұрын
@@chrisfev01 Shit. You missed the whole point of what I was saying. They should have been drilling their B-52 crews at 0300, and regularly -- just like the Navy does with our boomer submariners. Then nobody is wandering around at full alert with nuclear weapons and their frigging boots on the wrong feet. What a bunch of discombobulated bullshit. We used to call them, "bus drivers". Or as MY dad (also a naval officer) used to say, "civilians in uniform."
@reginaldwilkins5112
@reginaldwilkins5112 2 жыл бұрын
@@chrisfev01 Philco Ford created the CM system as you say...Wikipedia.
@frankmayer139
@frankmayer139 5 жыл бұрын
Now I want to watch Dr. Strangelove again.
@MOCOHO-JONNY
@MOCOHO-JONNY Жыл бұрын
Surprised KZfaq recommended this channel they never recommend channels I like. However I watch on rumble.
@dunk22
@dunk22 Жыл бұрын
I was working at a NORAD facility that day, remember it like yesterday. Don't want to go through that again
@geoffwickens3871
@geoffwickens3871 4 жыл бұрын
I was 15 at that time and remember that this was reported as a by-line in the local paper ... I commend you sir for your great delivery and teaching. It is fantastic to see history told as it was, no slant, just the facts as they happened. I have subscribed and "rang the bell" because I don't want to miss anything you put out. Even though I'm 55 now ... you should never stop learning.
@Mr_Bunk
@Mr_Bunk 4 жыл бұрын
Zbigniew Brzeziński: "Who the hell starts a nuclear war at 3am?" 427M: "OH BOY, 3AM!"
@williamsimmons152
@williamsimmons152 4 жыл бұрын
Major General Bunk Mieka.
@danijelandroid
@danijelandroid 4 жыл бұрын
3 am Washington DC time is about noon in Moscow.
@TangoDown229
@TangoDown229 4 жыл бұрын
"Doomsday", though it will never come calling in the form that mankind thinks or expects, won't wait for any one or any time; it WILL come as a thief in the night, when no one expects it and it WILL take EVERYONE!
@dwaynepeters4520
@dwaynepeters4520 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder how many people will get this reference
@PeterEvansPeteTakesPictures
@PeterEvansPeteTakesPictures 3 жыл бұрын
@@danijelandroid Lunchtime, Moscow. "Well that was a deeply, deeply disappointing sandwich. LAUNCH MISSILES."
@azurplex
@azurplex 2 жыл бұрын
Nice job with telling this story with a sense of urgency in your voice as if it were happening at present and not over 43 years ago as I watch this.
@CostlyFiddle
@CostlyFiddle 2 жыл бұрын
This is a awesome video, you explained the climate that existed in the late 70's early 80's well. Pop culture also jumped on the accidental Nuclear War theme with movies such as Wargames.
@Doctor_Jekyll
@Doctor_Jekyll 6 жыл бұрын
It would only be fair to follow this up with the 1983 soviet nuclear false alarm incident.
@TheHistoryGuyChannel
@TheHistoryGuyChannel 6 жыл бұрын
I wanted to include it, but there just was not time. Maybe another episode.
@kevingee4294
@kevingee4294 6 жыл бұрын
The History Guy: Five Minutes of History Maybe you should retitle 30 minutes of history. Just a suggestion since they're so well done.
@matthewhudson7883
@matthewhudson7883 6 жыл бұрын
Kevin Gee is right. Might want to consider retitling to something like 'Ten Minutes of History' since many of your videos average that length. - Great video series btw.
@dsandoval9396
@dsandoval9396 5 жыл бұрын
I had just commented that these two incidents are eerily similar. Brings you back to reality.
@Colddirector
@Colddirector 5 жыл бұрын
It's a strange irony - we keep these weapons around specifically so they may never be needed.
@maddog9867
@maddog9867 5 жыл бұрын
I was stationed in Fulda with 1/11 ACR in 1983 when we went on full alert, issued ammo and rolled out to the FEBA in at 3am in a driving sleet storm and remained for a week Never knowing it was due to Able Archer 83 It really is MAD and the world seems to have lost the fear we used to live with
@18dmedic
@18dmedic 2 жыл бұрын
I was stationed with 3-35 Ar down in Bamberg and can remember rolling for the border when the sirens blew. This would have been around 87.
@bobbywise2313
@bobbywise2313 2 жыл бұрын
Abel Archer damn near started ww3. The Russians were convinced we were really going to attack.
@johntaylor-lo8qx
@johntaylor-lo8qx 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, this should be a movie !!! Your stories are amazing for the most part. Thank you history guy and wife. You educate me quite often. God Bless. Let's hope we never see the day such stragic battles are fought. We as humans seem to be obsessed with ruining each other. Sad to say this is such a huge part of being human.
@jefflyon2020
@jefflyon2020 Жыл бұрын
Mr.History. Love your style, content, subject matter, delivery, and pace in which you deliver events form the past to future students at the present, especially 20th century history which boggles the mind how fast we moved forward technologically, but are reeling backwards from its consequences affecting the entire planet now.Setting the record straight is a noble thing, thank you History guy.
@locoHAWAIIANkane
@locoHAWAIIANkane 5 жыл бұрын
Wow! I had no idea this occurred. I was just 4 years old at this time. I’m so glad this was just a false alarm. Thanks History Guy!
@patricklowe7842
@patricklowe7842 5 жыл бұрын
My Father was a B-52 Pilot stationed at Fairchild AFB, that cold November day. I can close my eyes and hear the alert sirens very easily. Providence is a mercy not often granted. I hope that the that "lucky" rabbits foot will always be there!!
@simongleaden2864
@simongleaden2864 5 ай бұрын
I've watched nearly all of the History Guy's videos and this is my favourite one of all. Great storytelling - the tension and jeopardy really come through the narration.
@ryanreedgibson
@ryanreedgibson Жыл бұрын
That is an important date for me! My mom was laboring to have me in the hospital.
@TheHistoryGuyChannel
@TheHistoryGuyChannel Жыл бұрын
Good thing the world didn’t end…
@ScorpFOZ
@ScorpFOZ 4 жыл бұрын
"I have become death, the destroyer of worlds"
@HolTukIj
@HolTukIj 4 жыл бұрын
I am*
@isparkys9604
@isparkys9604 4 жыл бұрын
Indra Verhoeven It’s I have dumb shit it’s j Robert openhiemer quote he said after he made the nuclear bomb
@charliewerchan7252
@charliewerchan7252 4 жыл бұрын
one ping only Vassilli
@mr.h7021
@mr.h7021 4 жыл бұрын
@@isparkys9604 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oshhZtyf2pmtkZc.html check your informations before calling people "dumb shits"
@BatCaveOz
@BatCaveOz 3 жыл бұрын
@@isparkys9604 - Well that must be a little embarrassing for you.
@juliusreiner5733
@juliusreiner5733 5 жыл бұрын
This event was the inspiration for the film “War Games”
@96thaerospacemedia48
@96thaerospacemedia48 4 жыл бұрын
Julius Reiner I was looking for this comment
@SunriseLAW
@SunriseLAW 4 жыл бұрын
....people thought the movie was fiction. It comes closer to non-fiction.
@override7486
@override7486 3 жыл бұрын
​@@SunriseLAW Well, movie is a fiction, but false alarm which this video is about, with USSR attacking USA really happened. This was used as an idea for a movie itself.
@kishascape
@kishascape 3 жыл бұрын
@@SunriseLAW It's fiction slightly based in reality. Like the Law and Order TV show.
@seanspartan2023
@seanspartan2023 2 жыл бұрын
"After very careful consideration, sir, I've come to the conclusion that your new defense system sucks."
@james-p
@james-p Жыл бұрын
"Hell, I'd piss on a spark plug if I thought it'd do any good!"
@jsfbr
@jsfbr 6 жыл бұрын
Another near-extinction event I hadn't even known until now...
@CromemcoZ2
@CromemcoZ2 6 жыл бұрын
jsfbr, it was not a "near-extinction event". The system worked as-designed, with the government waiting on confirmation from sources other than the early warning system before doing anything irrevocable.They designed their procedures with the knowledge that any single sensor could fail and cause false alarms. You don't call it a "near death event" when someone burns the bacon and the kitchen smoke detector goes off. But you still go check whether there's actually a fire instead of doing nothing or calling 911. Same thing only on a massively larger scale.
@erikk77
@erikk77 6 жыл бұрын
All that based on a single 46 cent integrated circuit chip.
@spacetrucker2952
@spacetrucker2952 5 жыл бұрын
And again in November of 1983.
@IvanTre
@IvanTre 5 жыл бұрын
If you think a full thermonuclear exchange between the Cold War powers would have ended man, you're misinformed. Studies of the subject suggested casualties would be, at most 40% of global population, and necessitate about half a century of rebuilding..
@ZuluLifesaBeech-
@ZuluLifesaBeech- 5 жыл бұрын
@@CromemcoZ2 Burnt bacon will be ours one day, not at extinction level no. We are almost as good as cockroaches at survival. The atomic weapons exchange will destroy maybe a city or two and maybe a part of a country or two. Can't see human making it to 2045 without nukes being used in anger again. Not if just when...
@stevep7950
@stevep7950 5 жыл бұрын
History Guy, your delivery is great. Fast but really clear. Thanks for your work.
@kevinmueller5284
@kevinmueller5284 Жыл бұрын
I remember this, I saw the news reports and it has never left my mind. Somewhere I heard a quote, it could’ve been Carl Sagan or it could have been James Burke. I don’t remember it verbatim but it was approximately this: There is a concrete cellar with no doors and no windows and locked inside are too mortal enemies, they are standing knee-deep in gasoline as the celler has been flooded. One enemy has 10,000 matches, the other has 18,000 matches and both of them are spending all of their time and resources trying to acquire more matches! That quote too is some thing I will never forget. If anyone can tell me what program or episode included that quote I would greatly appreciate it. I think it is the best quote I have ever heard in my life.
@chrismaggio7879
@chrismaggio7879 Жыл бұрын
This happened over 4 decades, and somehow you just scared the crap out of us as though it was today's news!
@surferdude44444
@surferdude44444 6 жыл бұрын
Two months ago in Honolulu. everybody received and air raid alert on our cell phones, that a ballistic missile was inbound from North Korea and would hit Honolulu in 12 minutes. The message ended by saying "THIS IS NOT A DRILL." Scary.
@TheHistoryGuyChannel
@TheHistoryGuyChannel 6 жыл бұрын
That is how I originally intended to start the video. But, in the end, bringing that false alarm up seemed to spoil the ending. That is certainly proof that false alarms are still possible.
@matthewhudson7883
@matthewhudson7883 6 жыл бұрын
Scary things are happening, and the source I get my news from heavily suggests that that was not a false alarm when it occurred. Dark forces and bad actors have a great deal of control. - Have faith and allow yourself to believe what may normally be unbelievable when strange and shocking news comes to light.
@rdfox76
@rdfox76 6 жыл бұрын
You're an idiot. The alarm came from someone clicking the wrong command during a routine daily system test.
@matthewhudson7883
@matthewhudson7883 6 жыл бұрын
Don't be an idiot. It doesn't take 30+ minutes to issue an "All Clear" or "False Alarm" message. Even if there was some strange quirk that prevented them from immediately halting the ongoing "Warning" message and then issuing an "All Clear" message over the system the people in charge could have quickly notified local TV and radio stations to pass along a message to the public that it was only a mistake in progress and work was being done to fix the issue. Nothing was done for over thirty minutes, leading any sane person to reason that either the "Missile Warning" message was fully intentional or the entire command and control structure of the Emergency Alert System was utterly broken and drastic changes needed to be made.
@828enigma6
@828enigma6 6 жыл бұрын
Some are of the opinion the Hawaii incident was not a mistaken activation of the alarm system, but an actual inbound weapon that was destroyed. I don't know what the truth is, but I don't trust the government to tell the truth about such things reguardless of the circumstances.
@genedavis1205
@genedavis1205 5 жыл бұрын
I was stationed @ Bitburg AFB, Germany, 1975-1976. It had the largest nuclear storehouse outside the CONUS. Everyone on the base had to attend a meeting sometime in '75, so the "Old Man" could make sure we ALL understood our mission. To those of us who had Secret or above clearances, it was a somewhat different briefing. In short, we were told that, of the 85 A/C assigned to the base, we were maintaining a 75% readiness rate, which wasn't good enough. However, he did tell us that, in the event the balloon went up, each capable fighter would be loaded with a nuke, and head to their assigned target. Whoever returned, would be refueled, reloaded, and go out again, followed by another possible refuel/reload for any survivors. By then, it was assured there would be no base left to return to. That was a sobering meeting. Something you wished never happened, because you ALSO realized that 10's to 100's of millions worldwide, were going to be dead within an hour if "it" happened.
@paladinhill
@paladinhill 4 жыл бұрын
Any discussion of where nukes are stored is classified... always has been and still is. You have broken your oath.
@50BMGholes
@50BMGholes 4 жыл бұрын
@@paladinhill , you are aware that Clinton closed Bitburg in 96, right? So tell me again, what oath I broke.
@jadedandbitter
@jadedandbitter 4 жыл бұрын
@@paladinhill "are" means "in the present". He is talking about where they "were", and 44 years ago, at that. Hey, did you know on August 5th, 1945, the US had two nuclear bombs at its Tinian air base? Guess I broke my oath too! Also, basic common sense would tell you EVERY AF base surrounding the Soviet Union possessed special munitions during the cold war. You can be damn sure the Soviets knew it back then, so even had he shared this back then, it wouldn't exactly have been a revelation to them.
@danielrazulay
@danielrazulay 2 жыл бұрын
Bit more than 100 million my friend. At least 2/3 of global population will die within a week.
@demoscottgaminglounge6315
@demoscottgaminglounge6315 Жыл бұрын
As somone who is a history nerd I love your content
@RetakeAmericaNow
@RetakeAmericaNow 2 жыл бұрын
Love your explanation. Cousin was inside Cheyenne Mountain that night. Said it was beyond belief but everyone did their job.
@lesliekauffeldt3942
@lesliekauffeldt3942 5 жыл бұрын
Grew up in North Bay in Canada. it housed Cheyenne Mountains back up facility and had an American Officer as a neighbor. He told a few stories of funny things that happened from ghost radar images that caused concern to the big screen going blank.
@jon2564
@jon2564 6 жыл бұрын
Although I have previously known of this incident, listening to your report gave me chills all over again. As a child I remember duck and cover bomb drills in school.
@MalunoMcSketch
@MalunoMcSketch 2 жыл бұрын
The difference in sound quality to today is stark.
@bobcarlsson4
@bobcarlsson4 Жыл бұрын
Was in the SAGE complex in North Bay in grade 12, and later did some maintenance in "the hole". I managed to get underneath the building to view the giant coil spring foundation.
@titusflavius5668
@titusflavius5668 Жыл бұрын
Grew up in ground zero missile fields n the 70s and 80s. Then enlisted after college and wound up working on the LGM118A weapon system 😂
@marka8947
@marka8947 4 жыл бұрын
I was on the alert pad at Mather AFB as a B-52 Crew Chief. I remember the claxton going off at a time it had never before. We stood by at our airplanes for hours before we stood down. Yes, i was a little nervous...
@old-time-family-cooking
@old-time-family-cooking 2 жыл бұрын
I was a crew chief on alert at Fairchild AFB. A day to remember.
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