The 4 Squares Review - World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King

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The Dice Tower takes a look at World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King!
Intro 0:00
Overview 1:09
Final Thoughts 8:52
Scores 22:16
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@Overbass8000
@Overbass8000 2 жыл бұрын
The game will be super easy for WoW fans to get into. And it's a very decent Pandemic game overall, very well done. I'm glad Dice Tower guys liked it.
@kellyhall877
@kellyhall877 2 жыл бұрын
I am honestly surprised none of you guys played World of Warcraft back in the day! Lol I was excited to see this as the theme, because we no longer play WoW but it holds a sweet spot for us. Thanks for the reviews.
@stickandmud
@stickandmud 2 жыл бұрын
So good to see such a high score for a Warcraft game. Good job Z-MAN!
@jasonjoyce2177
@jasonjoyce2177 2 жыл бұрын
Isn't Pandemic one of his all time favorites?
@tiagomagalhaes7032
@tiagomagalhaes7032 2 жыл бұрын
Got the game a few weeks ago, and I do agree with the 8.5 score, it's a very solid pandemic-style game. But I will address two points: 1 - Replayability: the game does lack some of it because you always know your end-goal from the start; you might get different quests, different characters, but in the end you will be going to Icecrown to face Lich King, there is no other type of victory. HOWEVER, after more than 10 games of this at Heroic difficulty, the cards that you get might deeply impact the game, making two games with exactly same characters and quests feel completely different. So while it's not a game to play every single day, I do think it's one that has enough in it for several playthroughs with buddies, and for a strong replayability if you really love the theme. 2 - Strategy: the game might seem simple but at Heroic difficulty it does slap you hard if you do not plan things. While it might seem "just go there for quest and kill monsters on the way", at higher difficulty it might not be in your best interest to go straight for a quest zone, because you need to clean up some monsters before, or risk getting a bad draw that will put the board under strain. It is more straightforward than most Pandemic-style games, but if no thought is made you will lose hard.
@user-fr1ys2wn4t
@user-fr1ys2wn4t Жыл бұрын
I really hope that this is just a gateway game to see if former WoW players would want to get into board games. You could do so much more with WoW as a Sword&Sorcery style game.
@bobsteel1981
@bobsteel1981 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed with the picture of the mini being useful. One of the first things I do with any game that has minis is identify what each mini is and write who / what it is on the bottom of the base so it's easier for others. Also when I paint them I stick to whatever scheme is depicted on character cards to make it even easier to identify them.
@dragonlance6027
@dragonlance6027 2 жыл бұрын
Roy, perfect quote for the end of the video!
@richardsaunders9214
@richardsaunders9214 2 жыл бұрын
A Defenders of the Realm comparison seems like it would have been relevant too?
@Steve-L
@Steve-L 2 жыл бұрын
Especially Tom who is a big fan.
@RedCubTX
@RedCubTX 2 жыл бұрын
I just came here to make that same comment!
@dbungart3044
@dbungart3044 2 жыл бұрын
Thinking the same thing.
@thedicetower
@thedicetower 2 жыл бұрын
I originally though that. But there are SO many differences. In Defenders, there are "Big Bads" heading towards the middle, and the troops spread like Pandemic. In fact, other than the fact that there are monsters instead of cubes, there isn't anything the same.
@richardsaunders9214
@richardsaunders9214 2 жыл бұрын
@@thedicetower Thanks guys! :)
@whitepony8443
@whitepony8443 2 жыл бұрын
Whoa! what a luxury board game. Another awesome snow theme.
@ShelfStories
@ShelfStories 2 жыл бұрын
I am a giant WoW fan from back in the day. Can’t wait to get this to the table and camera.
@SoloBoardGamingKnight
@SoloBoardGamingKnight 2 жыл бұрын
I finally got my hands on a copy! Hopefully I can learn how to play soon so I can check it out myself.
@crystalheath6510
@crystalheath6510 2 жыл бұрын
I'm very excited to get a copy of this.
@juvigoat2168
@juvigoat2168 2 жыл бұрын
Job’s done! Hahaha! Nice, Roy!
@Sem5626
@Sem5626 Жыл бұрын
yeah i got it this week to join my solo game collection it's solid like you say... pandemic games aren't ever really on the top of my list but they're fun enough for me to play, it'll be a game that i pull out every other month and do a couple of runs then put it back again it's not a game that would ever become a main go to all the time i think
@dallen052066
@dallen052066 2 жыл бұрын
Do you know if Argent Cryusade can be played during questing and if so can all 5 damage count as quest movements.
@AuthorDiCristofano
@AuthorDiCristofano 2 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised no one is comparing this to Defenders of the Realm.
@dbungart3044
@dbungart3044 2 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing.
@AuthorDiCristofano
@AuthorDiCristofano 2 жыл бұрын
@@dbungart3044 Defenders is incredibly difficult and engaging. Biggest flaws are the player character designs. The player powers & abilities are mundane.
@DeltaDemon1
@DeltaDemon1 2 жыл бұрын
​@@AuthorDiCristofano I disagree. Defenders is much easier than many Pandemic games, and, while I agree that player character design is its biggest flaw, it's often a flaw because the powers are much too powerful.
@baroldalt312
@baroldalt312 2 жыл бұрын
@@AuthorDiCristofano I think the powers are fine. The flaws are that if you fail against a general, you're well behind. And it drags. You can know you're losing, but it will be a slow loss.
@tylerdavis6389
@tylerdavis6389 2 жыл бұрын
I only got into Pandemic-system games with Reign of Cthulhu, with this I'm very curious to see what future IPs they pick up.
@megalodon2012
@megalodon2012 2 жыл бұрын
After watching them live play this I fell in love with it and pre-ordered it immediately. However I didn't get the vibe that the guys were having fun. Was very surprised at the gushing reviews, especially from Zee. Very happy to hear it!
@thedicetower
@thedicetower 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry you got that vibe! We were having fun!
@petergross7235
@petergross7235 2 жыл бұрын
I'm very excited to play this one having played world of warcraft on PC for years. Talk about it being a welcoming game, I traditionally do no like the pandemic games, but this theme has me giving the system another chance.
@Bleuchz
@Bleuchz 2 жыл бұрын
Just a quick note: Wrath of the Lich King is *THE* WoW expansion for most people. Nice review :)
@Wolforce
@Wolforce 2 жыл бұрын
100%
@BoroMirraCz
@BoroMirraCz 2 жыл бұрын
For many yes... but for just as many people MoP or Legion is THE WoW expansion.
@foxtayle683
@foxtayle683 Жыл бұрын
The Burning Crusade.
@dcristian5965
@dcristian5965 6 ай бұрын
There are some white dots on the board, what are they used for?
@koenwijnants6499
@koenwijnants6499 2 жыл бұрын
Hope there will be some more expansions of this... looks good !
@petergross7235
@petergross7235 2 жыл бұрын
Just more promo characters would be awesome...tons they could add to the game.
@gordo6908
@gordo6908 2 жыл бұрын
@@petergross7235 i think they'd have to leave northrend for the eastern kingdoms at least if they want to really have legs. wotlk simply had the most subs
@foxtayle683
@foxtayle683 Жыл бұрын
The Burning Crusade was a much better setting but it would have been harder to fit into a Pandemic style game.
@OPxZenith
@OPxZenith 2 жыл бұрын
What's the promo character that Tom mentioned? Is that available to the public?
@grog3514
@grog3514 2 жыл бұрын
Seeing the components makes me want to play wow again. I really miss questing in northrend and doing battle in tol barad...
@riva0389
@riva0389 2 жыл бұрын
Me too. Fav exp
@SeanUCF
@SeanUCF 2 жыл бұрын
I miss when Warcraft was an RTS and not a lame cash grab and when Blizzard had actual software engineers and game designers rather than executives and managers that sexually harass their employees.
@azizmandar
@azizmandar 2 жыл бұрын
I'm happy the name is what it is and not "Pandemic:WotLK". It probably could have gone that way but I'd be less interested.
@ArnoVdVelde
@ArnoVdVelde 2 жыл бұрын
I think there was never any doubt. Pandemic is big, but World of Warcraft in giant letters draws 100x more eyes. I think.
@udrevnavremena
@udrevnavremena 2 жыл бұрын
26:00 Ah, Roy the Warcraft III Peasant. Awesome!
@LalienX
@LalienX 6 ай бұрын
Bought this game just to paint the miniatures. Glad to see that it's actually fun.
@JoeyjojoShabadoo7
@JoeyjojoShabadoo7 2 жыл бұрын
Scourge Rises…reminds me of Forbidden Island. I think I’m really going to like this game, and, hopefully pick it up quickly
@krazikrucial707
@krazikrucial707 2 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised. I was not expecting this to be rated so highly by the whole group. Time will tell.
@vonwoolf9963
@vonwoolf9963 2 жыл бұрын
I could very much see fanmade expansions being made, with things like miniatures from WoW the board game for example.
@mcstabba
@mcstabba 2 жыл бұрын
I never played World of Warcraft but I did play the Warcraft real time strategy games a LOT so the nostalgia for that (especially Warcraft 3 it seems) makes me curious about this game, always wanted to try a game in this board game series as well with a (for me) compelling theme (Cthulhu and Rome is also something I would consider). This might be for me, I'll watch the playthrough of it someday this week and think about it a bit.
@fathervader
@fathervader 2 жыл бұрын
Wrath of the Lich King was the second expansion to World of Warcraft. You know... just... FYI. :) I played a lot of WotLK during the era! The lore and story lend themselves well to this Pandemic reimplementation. Looking forward to trying it out.
@thisguyyouhate
@thisguyyouhate 2 жыл бұрын
I'm curious who the promo character was
@retiredfromyoutubehehe
@retiredfromyoutubehehe 2 жыл бұрын
Tom talked about he had a promo for this game, where would you get said promo?
@crypticzz8333
@crypticzz8333 2 жыл бұрын
have you figured out where to get the promo?
@retiredfromyoutubehehe
@retiredfromyoutubehehe 2 жыл бұрын
@@crypticzz8333 For some reason my comment got deleted, probably because I put a URL in it. There is a website for a LGS called Stone Valley Games, they are selling pre-orders that include the promo.
@Steve-L
@Steve-L 2 жыл бұрын
I never played WoW, but played the original Warcraft, Warcraft 2, and Warcraft 3, I also played the beta Warcraft. Warcraft 2 was my favorite and played it for many years. I even enjoyed the movie. I never played Pandemic, the theme is a huge turn off for me, but would play this!
@Neoradtz
@Neoradtz 2 жыл бұрын
The movie was definitely underrated.. I enjoyed it too!
@Quincyslayer
@Quincyslayer 2 жыл бұрын
I had no idea Mike knew how to speak Murloc.
@JarradShaw
@JarradShaw 2 жыл бұрын
I love Pandemic, and absolutely in love with this style and mechanisms of this pandemic
@javierulf
@javierulf 2 жыл бұрын
Really thought you would have rated it a bit lower given your final thoughts
@jenius00
@jenius00 2 жыл бұрын
Was thinking the same. I thought there'd be at least one 7 and no one would be higher than an 8.
@AlmightyCow1
@AlmightyCow1 2 жыл бұрын
Who's the promo character and where can I get it????
@crypticzz8333
@crypticzz8333 2 жыл бұрын
have you figured out where to get the promo?
@renmaster7319
@renmaster7319 2 жыл бұрын
For a new player would this game or the Talisman games be easier to get into?
@alessandraceli2326
@alessandraceli2326 2 жыл бұрын
The games are very different, it depends on what you are looking for. In Talisman you have to beat all the other players, and you don't really need to pay attention to what all the other players are doing all the time, while in WoW all the players play together against the game, and of course they will interact more. Also Talisman in my experience can go on for several hours, especially for new players who don't know very well the cards or the board. WoW is a fairly short game. Talisman in mainly based on luck, WoW can be more strategic, while luck sure plays a part. I love Talisman, it helped me to introduce a lot of my friends to board games because it's easy to explain and to play, you don't have to think a lot of what you are doing, wich I get that it's frustrating for the most experienced gamers, but I feel like it makes the game less intimidating for new players. I think wow is pretty simple too, so it really depends on how long you want to play for, and if you prefer a competitive game or a cooperative one.
@renmaster7319
@renmaster7319 2 жыл бұрын
@@alessandraceli2326 can you play this can solo?
@baroldalt312
@baroldalt312 2 жыл бұрын
@@renmaster7319 Pandemic can be solo.
@ChrisKoehn
@ChrisKoehn 2 жыл бұрын
I think as the Geocaching tokens travel about, more scenarios and characters will be released for the game? That could greatly address the replayability factor some of the guys brought up.
@DeltaDemon1
@DeltaDemon1 2 жыл бұрын
In a 3 player game of cthullu pandemic, we lost the game before the third turn (not the third round, the third turn, the last player never played) because of die rolls.
@harryofgo
@harryofgo 2 жыл бұрын
We won on the very last card to be drawn. It was one of the best gaming moments I've had.
@keychainere
@keychainere 2 жыл бұрын
…how? You only roll if you encounter a shoggoth or use a relic.
@SanjuroSan
@SanjuroSan 2 жыл бұрын
Zee! Review year of molach NSH 3.0!
@thepardoner2059
@thepardoner2059 2 жыл бұрын
Wrath of the Lich King is a fun game, but we (like Mike) prefer Reign of Cthulhu.
@dannyteoharov8298
@dannyteoharov8298 Жыл бұрын
Job's done 🤣🤣🤣 Thank you for that!
@Galloglaoch
@Galloglaoch 2 жыл бұрын
The real question here is Small World of Warcraft or Wrath of the Lick King if you can only pick one WoW themed game to have?
@baroldalt312
@baroldalt312 2 жыл бұрын
Small World is boring. Pandemic depends on how annoying the other players are.
@Galloglaoch
@Galloglaoch 2 жыл бұрын
@@baroldalt312 This doesn't answer anything... So a boring game and a game with varying annoyance as per your output...
@baroldalt312
@baroldalt312 2 жыл бұрын
@@Galloglaoch So if your group has annoying people, probably stick with Small World boredom
@foxtayle683
@foxtayle683 Жыл бұрын
Get the original FFG WoW: the board game.
@82ndmi
@82ndmi 2 жыл бұрын
I'd put it under Iberia rome and legacy, but above cthulu.
@exiledsonofhawaii3934
@exiledsonofhawaii3934 2 жыл бұрын
Makes me wish pandemic fall of Rome had minis. Would've made the theme stronger.
@thedicetower
@thedicetower 2 жыл бұрын
Well, the Dice Tower library does now. :)
@johnnovotny5074
@johnnovotny5074 2 жыл бұрын
Only a 1 point spread and an average score between the 4 of you at 8.1.
@CK-mi3sd
@CK-mi3sd 2 жыл бұрын
Looks like Horrified. Not strategic enough but good for new gamers.
@foxtayle683
@foxtayle683 Жыл бұрын
I can understand why they picked WotLK for this game but would have loved it much better if they had made a way to fit The Burning Crusade in this instead.
@jeffreydeguzman8005
@jeffreydeguzman8005 2 жыл бұрын
I have not played WoW. I only played base pandemic, it's not one of my top games, but i did enjoy it. But I played a lot of warcraft 1, 2 and 3, Dota2 , Hearthstone. I enjoyed the movie as well. Now after seeing this review with scores that high, this will probably go into my maybe/got to have, just to see Thrall/Jaina have that epic battle with Arthas. Frostmourne hungers!
@RadishTheFool
@RadishTheFool 2 жыл бұрын
The theme really isn't for me, but I'm very happy that the WoW fans got a solid and fun implementation of the pandemic mechanics. Now here's hoping that they paste this on some more properties. My personal recommendation: Adventure Time. Has a big fandom, looks colourful and fun so will even attract people outside of that fandom, and is suitable to play with kids.
@kevinbhieey9188
@kevinbhieey9188 2 жыл бұрын
If this is the "easiest" Pandemic, then I'm worried because Rising Tide and Fall of Rome are extremely easy, at least compared to the others (at the 5-Epidemics level). I have to play all the Survival Series games at 6 Epidemics, so I hope there's a level that compares to that here.
@pedroivooliveira6706
@pedroivooliveira6706 2 жыл бұрын
Fall of Rome specifically says to add +1 "epidemic" ("revolt" cards, if I remember correctly) in comparison to base pandemic. So 5 would be "easy", 6 would be "medium" and 7 would be "hard"
@TheSverVe
@TheSverVe 2 жыл бұрын
Jobs done from roy 😂😂😂😂
@animodeoh
@animodeoh 2 жыл бұрын
What do you mean?
@jeffreydeguzman8005
@jeffreydeguzman8005 2 жыл бұрын
@@animodeoh It's a reference to the warcraft RTS video games. The peons/workers would tell you "Job's done" after they finish builsing things to let you know they're available.
@animodeoh
@animodeoh 2 жыл бұрын
@@jeffreydeguzman8005 oh yeah, I remember that now. I thought it was some weird joke about Roy being fired
@itmejlee
@itmejlee 2 жыл бұрын
I can't quite put my finger on whats wrong, but I don't like the look of this game (though I'm sure it's fun)... the map itself looks good but the iconography and cards look a little plain to me and the color palette seems a bit too bubblegummy.
@baroldalt312
@baroldalt312 2 жыл бұрын
I was enjoying it until I got attacked.
@kristiewonchalk5718
@kristiewonchalk5718 2 жыл бұрын
Sad they didn't know what WOTLK was
@filiplazov5895
@filiplazov5895 2 жыл бұрын
I am usually not a coop fan and play more complex games, but as a wow fan I will get this one as my guilty pleasure board game.
@KickstarterRadio1024
@KickstarterRadio1024 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a huge World of Warcraft fan... and for me the huge circles covering Northrend are hiding over 30 to 40% of the map. What is this adding to the game to cover the art up?
@UmouMais
@UmouMais 2 жыл бұрын
Job is done 😂
@ESCTom
@ESCTom 2 жыл бұрын
I love Warcraft, but im really disappointed by the aesthetics of this. I played Warcraft 3 to death and one of the things I loved about it was the bright vibrant colours in the art of the units - like the headhunters and the night elves etc. this colour palette is grey and greyish purple.
@kaliban2747
@kaliban2747 2 жыл бұрын
That's because it's Northrend
@gordo6908
@gordo6908 2 жыл бұрын
@@kaliban2747 no, its the palette, especially when you consider the existence of sholazar basin, grizzly hills, coldarra, and howling fjord
@kaliban2747
@kaliban2747 2 жыл бұрын
@@gordo6908 which are all green/brown, no?
@foxtayle683
@foxtayle683 Жыл бұрын
Burning Crusade would have been more colorful.
@user-fr1ys2wn4t
@user-fr1ys2wn4t Жыл бұрын
The possibilities to use the WoW franchise are endless and they decided to use the pandemic system ... You've got a whole generation of previous computer gamers who now play board games instead and I betcha the backers for a kickstarter for a serious dungeon crawler with WoW theme would blow up to proportions never seen before... I feel like this is such a wasted opportunity.
@Ufartedonme
@Ufartedonme 2 жыл бұрын
The only game of pandemic I ever played was lost in first 10 minutes. This looks more fun to me. The one problem I have is with Activision/Blizzard. The disgusting allegations coming out against them is enough to make me not support them. Apart from getting paid a royalty from the theme how much support would this be giving them? Would Z-man games make most of the profit? I'd like to support them.
@Oaklestat
@Oaklestat 2 жыл бұрын
Zug, zug.....
@jeffreydeguzman8005
@jeffreydeguzman8005 2 жыл бұрын
Dabuu!
@viborviskovic4314
@viborviskovic4314 2 жыл бұрын
WoW Pandemic, WoW Smallworld....looking forward to WoW Catan, WoW Istanbul (Ogrimar), WoW Ticket to Ride (Stormwind tram), WoW Castles of Burgundy (Castles of Azeroth)...so many lazy options, skys the limit Blizzard!
@baroldalt312
@baroldalt312 2 жыл бұрын
Same
@marshwiggle8364
@marshwiggle8364 2 жыл бұрын
StarCraft Legacy a pandemic system game
@tempestfury8324
@tempestfury8324 2 жыл бұрын
It's a "Pandemic" game...I get it. But here's my problem - you have a fantasy theme about this. And it fails because of the quests, which are needed to complete and finish the game. Moving a marker on a quest track loses me....it just isn't very epic. It would have been must better to have cards for the quest....go to this location, kill this, achieve this goal, solve this puzzle....or whatever. I want a little more story and actual quests to accomplish the goals needed to win the game..... especially in a fantasy-themed game!
@Steve-L
@Steve-L 2 жыл бұрын
there are lots of those, this is to hit that theme but in a different way.
@TheBrokenMeeple
@TheBrokenMeeple 2 жыл бұрын
I would deduct a point off just for milking this Pandemic franchise again! Joking of course, There's already decent Pandemics, how many do we really need? It's difficult to top Iberia on my shelf right now.
@korbyndallas
@korbyndallas 2 жыл бұрын
That’s just not reasonable to deduct a point for “milking” a franchise. It’s more like taking advantage of an opportunity and paying homage to one of the most iconic and industry changing videos games of all time. (over 10 million subs at one time) As a fan of both pandemic and Warcraft, after this review it’s a no brainer for me.
@TheBrokenMeeple
@TheBrokenMeeple 2 жыл бұрын
@@korbyndallas the comment was more of a joke so I made it more clear.
@korbyndallas
@korbyndallas 2 жыл бұрын
Oh ok. My apologies.
@TheBrokenMeeple
@TheBrokenMeeple 2 жыл бұрын
@@korbyndallas nah its OK, I didn't make it clear. 👍
2 жыл бұрын
Weirdly enough, i played WoW almost daily for years, back when they had 40 player raids. I also played Warcraft3 online a lot. And yet i never liked the warcraft universe, did not care about the characters and all and these games never look interesting.
@Aeravon
@Aeravon 2 жыл бұрын
The original Pandemic board game mechanic turned into Scourge Rises, but with the same completely random ever-escalating speed of that random card coming up means as with original Pandemic, you can do everything right and still lose. What a bad design decision, and what a mistake to carry into this version. Hard pass :(
@victorgonzalez2927
@victorgonzalez2927 2 жыл бұрын
I wasn’t impressed by this game. I love Reign of Cthulhu and Fall of Rome. I was hoping this was going to make it into my collection but it fell flat for me.
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