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Favourite fact about gen 2 OU, Snorlax has a 50% win rate, because every game, a Snorlax win and loses

Im glad our enemies Chug and Jug are fighting amongst themselves. Our efforts to thwart them are working.

"Snorlax can Sleep up, Curse up and then explode" is one of the best lines I've ever heard

That Chess analogy with the Queen being like Snorlax really helped me realize the need for such a beast to be allowed in the meta. It's like a switch was flipped and I went from thinking it's ridiculous to seeing the balance of being overpowered

Queenlax but when is the full chess roster comparison video Jim

I always found weird that in GSC (which is basically RBY2) every single RBY monster got nerfed, but Snorlax. Chansey lost its ability to deal damage back, Tauros lost it's special coverage options, Alakazam lost its ability to take hits on the special side, Exeggutor became much worse... But Snorlax got a freaking 50 point spdef boost. While being arguably #2 o #3 best RBY pokemon. No wonder it became broken. Off topic, I always thought how GSC would play without leftovers. Max EVs + Leftovers beeing the only good item is what makes the tier slow (not stall, just slow)

My favourite quote that sums up snor is "the best one is still allowed in ou because it checks everything"

Nice to see such an iconic pokemon be so amazing competitively

An excellent entry to learning about Gen2 OU. I learned so much in this video about what's important in Gen2, how Sleep Talk and Rest work, and what the hazard situation looks like. The normal damaging moves comparison is especially fascinating: Return is like Earthquake, Body Slam gives up a bit of power for status chance, and DoubleEdge trades a side effect for Fire Blast tier damage.

I’d worry in a Snorlax-less gen 2 OU, the tier will actually become the slow stally mess that everyone thinks gen 2 ou is

You should do a deeper dive into Snorlax in Ubers because it’s actually super interesting how it warps that tier too. Like Mewtwo dedicating a slot to have a chance against it for DPunch/Barrier/Self Destruct/Submission

Snorlax was my favourite Pokémon in Gen 1… at least until I circled around to the other side of Pallet Town and found a little mess of seaweed wearing Converse sneakers, haha.

Jim deserves your sub just for subjecting himself to gen 2 comp.

Ofc snorlax is balanced, it has a clean 50% winrate!

Gen 2 OU sounds a lot like gen 1 ubers, but with fewer glitches.

Snorlax, despite being the best Pokémon in Ubers, is allowed in GSC OU, because it provides a stabilizing presence by keeping special attackers in check, while still being manageable in that tier.

It was also big in gen 3 ubers, though middling in gen 3 OU because it absolutely hates ttar’s sand which is ultra common in OU but far less common in ubers

Without Snorlax entire gen 2 OU would collapse... crazy that best Ubers Pokémon happens to be healthy in OU.

Honestly Mewtwo is kind of a weird counterpart to Snorlax in Ubers. They're both auto-includes, with Snorlax checking special threats and Mewtwo checking physical ones. They also both have set variety with one near mandatory move (Recover and Rest, respectively) and one boosting move that can be dropped (Barrier and Curse). It's a really interesting dynamic. GSC Ubers is a really fun tier.

I feel like one of the factor's in snorlax's favor is the fact that it is so ubiquitous that you always know the enemy has one. In contrast, one of the effects dracovish had on gen 8 OU was that you pretty much needed to dedicate a teamslot to a defensive 'vish answer (which basically meant a water immunity,) but none of the pokemon used in that role are particularly good outside of it, so you had an environment where you needed to bring a pokemon for one matchup, that was pretty much a liability if dracovish didn't show up, but if you replace the "counter," then you risk getting 6-0'd by dracovish when it DOES show up. Snorlax isn't even close to the level of "unwallable" dracovish reaches, its answers are pokemon that you'd already be using anyways, and you never have to think about "will my snorlax answers be relevant in my next ladder match" becasue the answer will pretty much always be "yes". Also, there's the little detail that snorlax doesn't immediately threaten another snorlax in the mirror match, so even if you aren't sure what set the other snorlax is running, your own snorlax can usually buy you enough time to suss out its moveset, and determine which of your pokemon will best answer it (unless it booms on your snorlax, but that still requires them to sacrifice their snorlax.)

Welcome to early gen OU, where a Pokemon is good in its introductory gen, but a dominant force literally the next gen

That is not correct. The best Pokemon in Gen 2 OU is Forretress due to its ability to check Pikablu, Goruchu, and Iron Brian. Please do your research

ADV Snorlax if Sand Stream didn't exist:

A vid explaining the best things about each generation metagame and the mist common strategies would be fun

I feel like by modern standards, gen 1 tauros, chansey and snorlax, and gen 2 snorlax, zapdos, and raikou would all be considered banworthy

My favorite GSC OU fact is that Meganium is the most viable Johto starter

Didnt knew that belly drum quirk. Everyday we learn something new

I'd have mentioned some of the Pokemon that have viability because of Snorlax. Charm Umbreon and Growl Miltank wall out Snorlax forever since their Attack-debuffing moves severely out-PP Curse. Misdreavus is the only pure-Ghost-type in the game, and while it's about as bulky as Gengar, it has a better time vs Snorlax thanks to not being EQ-weak, and can use Perish Song to force out Curselax. Similar to OG Porygon walling Lax in RBY, Porygon2 does the same this gen with Curse + 32PP Recover. Vaporeon deserves a mention being one of the few SpA Pokemon that can beat Snorlax 1v1 thanks to Growth (an event move in Gen 2) + Acid Armor.

Idk what Gamefreak was thinking, giving a top 2 Pokemon in RBY (excluding the Mews) a big buff just couldn’t possibly go well. Except it actually did, Snorlax makes GSC OU so fun and unique

Love your videos bro. You quickly became one of my favorite channels and look forward to your uploads

While it's completely subjective, without Snorlax gen 2 OU would a much more stallier metagame that the one we have today. Most of the special attackers in the tier are checked by a single slot on your team. A slot in fact with a lot of set variety, Snorlax is a really versatile Pokémon in GSC, like TTar in ADV. Without it, gen 2 would be as boring as gen 8 for example, or some of the modern gen 4 OU. That's why even while Ho-oh and Celebi wouldn't be broken in OU (which would make Ho-Oh, in fact, the earliest box legendary to drop to OU), they will make the pace too slow, and therefore they're banned

love gen 2! I can never decide if I like gen 2 or gen 3 the most. Part of why it's so underrated is people think it's the "stall" gen which isn't true (gen 6 mega sableye was true stall). The best way to describe gen 2 is like a game of chess. You're constantly pivoting and paying attention to your opponent and games are won by slowly driving them into a corner. One misstep and the game can end abruptly.

Big Yellow compared GSC Snorlax to the Medic from Team Fortress 2: insanely overpowered but their presence makes the game much better. And similarly, GSC OU without Snorlax would be an ACTUAL stallfest with Zapdos, Raikou, other Special Attackers, and Blissey running around, much like how how no Medic (and no Ubercharge) would just lead to stacking Engineers and Snipers becoming even more annoying to deal with.

1:33 my hope is that their brawl will end up with an Iron Hugulis

Funbro is so strong it's banned in Anything Goes.

A video on marowak would be great 🙏🏼

I like gen 2 for sole reason that it's the only ou tier where meganium isn't complete and utter garbage

Thank you for making a video of my favorite pokemon. My 7 year old self from the 90's loves you bro

That's why he is the true legendary in Gen 2

Belly drum deserves a dedicated vid, it's such a unique move

Gen 3 Tyranitar, Gen 2 Snorlax, can we get a Gen 1 Tauros video?

I forgot how versatile it is... i can immediately think of some niche sets that weren't explicitely shown... like combining Lovely Kiss and Belly Drum with Chesto Berry+Rest... or the Belly Drum Snore still dealing decent damage during Rest turns. If your opponent is not careful this monster can literally defeat them in its sleep... having said that this is a very great video presenting Gen 2 in the way it should be presented, thank you

Love the Gen 2 content! Keep it up!

He's really sleeping through gen 2

Fyi you forgot the underscore in DarkerJenny_ in the description

I kinda hate how a mischievous trio keeps in hostage the entirety of a format. Snorlax is 100% uber material for how unpredictable it is and for how good its stats are. We keep it there since it's the only thing resembling a counter to Zapdos and Raikou. The rest of the format is occupied by very few mons having good synergy with those three. That's it, the rest gatekept out. Now that's already a Uber tier scenario. And you might call it chess, while it's funny since when I play chess I do not need to worry about things such as thunder luck, nailing desperate predicts, praying that Snorlax has a set not too troublesome for my team.

Infinite rest and sleep talk is super OP.

Snorlax using curse: "I said I don't want any damned vegetables!"

its only a matter of time when Iron Mugulis and Iron Chugulis gets their own pokemon game series

Your silly humor in your subscriber callouts has me giggling every time. Keep doing you 💜

I remember a comment that says something like this in FSG youtube on Snorlax If Snorlax is banned, Zapdos and Raikou absolutely dominate. If these two become banned, Suicune and Starmie dominates If Suicune and Starmid dominates, ground types, especially steelix dominates. Of course i agree to disagree, since i dont think zapdos and raikou will instantly be banned since things like Celebi will probably just be sent to OU. But then the metagame will be in a stalemate. The strongest physical attacker is gone, and Thick Club Marowak isnt strong enough to overpower Skamory, and doesnt have a good movepool and stats to try anything lax wants to do. Basically, both sides play a pp war, and switching around would prob be the best strat in the game (since leftovers isnt cancelled by anything except toxic, and toxic isnt really that good due to rest)

Bro I never knew about the Gen 2 Belly Drum mechanic when you're under half health. That's so fucking cool.

When I play gen 2 OU we don't allow snorlax

"You're half empty"... killer smack talk

The Belly Drum 'quirk' is due to a Gen 2 bug - the move wasn't coded correctly. It first raises Atk by two, _then_ checks current HP before doing the rest of the +2 Atk modifiers. In earlier in-dev versions of GS, Belly Drum originally only did half of _current_ HP, not maximum HP; the devs realised this would be too overpowered and exploitable and changed it to max. Oh, and the devs also thought Snorlax would be 'balanced' due to his low Def, too, not realising his massive HP sorta made up for it (and that Curse was a thing, along with RestTalk, and that Fighting moves are garbage until Gen 3/4).

Hilarious how hard the amnesia nerf hit

I wonder if Snorlax could beat Lickitung

Could you talk about the number 1 used pokemon in each generation?

Another thing why snorlax isn’t ban in OU is because of it’s role to break stalemates.

Nice video! I'm waiting for my ticket to the ring :)

i don't even remember what iron chuglis and mugulis is riffing on at this point

Anytime i reset and reran the game, there were a few that would start to increase my stress level the moment they got summoned. Miltank and Snorlax. Damn tanks.

Also just look at the big guy Who else would you want to be the face of your metagame

I still can't wrap my head around how Snorlax can be "healthy" for this meta. I've played *a lot* of Gen 2 (OU) back in the days, and every single match lasted almost hours. We're talking about 2-300 turns, even 400 some times. I've started running a lot of Snorlax-less teams, just to shake things up, and the only difference was that now I was losing in 2-400 turns.

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Snorlax was always a problem every time I battle it from Pokemon Stadium to the Main games!

And also if you didn't notice, your ogerpon video is blocked by Nintendo for showing too much Pokemon owned content even though your entire channel is like centred around pokemon (showdown good)

that's powerful

I wish Snorlax got more love through new moves or forms

That shall be an epic fight the Chug Vs the Mug WHO WILL WIN?

I hope they bring snorlax in gen 9 and add the ability unaware since it can't even wake up without a pokeflute, it will be a top tier mon for sure ou tier

Mewtwo with substitute and amnesia and dynamic punch deals with Snorlax very fast.

Nice to see my spirit animal doing good

good ol Curselax. Gen 2 was SO defense focused.

Would you consider doing a video on gen 2 team structures where NOT running Snorlax can be optimal? (Not sure if these exist but the intro seemed to suggest they may.)

Shout out gen 2 snorlax for checking gen 2 zapdos. Don’t know how you feel about gen 5, but interestingly enough that’s been the only generation where Zapdos been UU(so far, who knows what gen 9 dlc will do) and just a general explanation could be cool and act as a pseudo follow up to your gen 3 zapdos vid

When the 2 mugs fight, is it called a kanpai?

LETS GOOOO JIMOTHY!!!!!!!!

i played back in the day and was pretty darn good. and i hated using Snorlax. my mindset was that he was a cheating pest, so a lot of my options revolved around phasing the bastard out quick or high physical assaults backed up by dual screens it was wild, but i was able to usually win games against Snorlax users because a lot of people still didnt jive with the idea (pre-NYPC) of using low special attack mons for coverage, like you show with Golem and Fire Blast. it was a strange time. also toxic/t-wave/sleep was rampant and even Snorlax got in the act later on. Gen 2 is fascinating to me even to this day, that and 386 are my favorite metagames ever

Lax didnt start out with lovely kiss, they gave it that a bit later, as if wasnt powerful enough before, they made it a sleeper as well.

GSC Snorlax is just the Chess queen of pokemon

Hum... is that an occasion for me to finally destroy Iron Mugulis/Chugulis after they fight ?

They've ran Lax-less tournaments. They were awful.

That was fun

Over $2400? Well then, the money did got different.

goat metagame

I remember you put gen 2 pretty low on your tier list of metagames. will you do another one now how had change of opinions?

I wish Snorlax got more use out of sleeping moves in the modern games because of the theming of it.

In short every single weird game design and balance quirck and oversight just so happen to overlapp in a way that Snorlax can take advantage off to the fullest. Even things like the the fact that it has less physical defense than special isn't a big deal because there are almost no good physical moves. Nowadays we have moves above 100 bsp for every type, often for both physical and special moves. Back in gen 2, many Pokemon didn't even have a move that broke 90 bsp while also being STAB and the moves that could take advantage of that lower power defense, while being somewhat strong themselves can be counted on one hand.

my boi Chugulis winning that fight i bet all my money on him

Coming from someone who used to naively think that Snorlax should be banned for its overventralizing effect on the GSC metagame: Banning Snorlax from OU would have a huge cascading effect on the metagame, and not necessarily a positive one. Zapdos and Raikou would be way too strong if Snorlax got banned, causing Blissey to become more or less required on teams, which would cause a self-fulfilling prophecy where mons like Machamp lost their niche in chunking the best mon in the game -- Snorlax. Which, makes Blissey even stronger. If banning Lax gets Raikou/Zap banned, then just IMAGINE trying to deal with Suicune. Snorlax really glues the tier together.

Hey! I know you make a lot of content related to gen 3 - do you ever play any ROM Hacks?

SNORLAX

Snorlax, is the best pokemon, in generation 2.

Idk how strong gen 2 snorlax really is, it only has a 50% winrate after all :)

Yes, queen snorlax

This is absurd.

So it’s gen 1 kingambit

Jim