The Actual Risks of Vintage Radium Dial Watches: A Guide

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Жыл бұрын

Many people today are unaware of the potential dangers that these watches can pose to their health. In this video, I will explore the actual risks of vintage radium dial watches, including the type of radiation that they emit, the level of exposure that they can cause, and the dangers that this exposure can pose to your health. We will also discuss how you can protect yourself from these risks and what you need to know if you own a vintage radium dial watch. Whether you are a collector or simply someone who is interested in vintage watches, this video will provide you with important information that you need to know.
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@mlsproject Жыл бұрын

Hard to believe we can have a KZfaq video with actual science and reasonable, common sense explanations in today's day and age. Excellent work.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

LOL Mike. That’s the idea brother. Thanks for letting me know what we are doing makes sense.

@julienbouillot6960 Жыл бұрын

As always - I really appreciate the research and the pragmatic approach to it. Also really enjoy those focused and very detailed videos that explore the intricacies of watch repair. Thank you Alex!

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

Many thanks Julien

@benkirkland5354 Жыл бұрын

This video came through at just the right time. I’ve been researching more about it, questioning here and there, and boom! your next video pops up in my subscriptions with some great answers. Super appreciate it. Looking forward to the next one.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful Ben. You can read more into the report if you need.

@soundmindtv2911 Жыл бұрын

Great info! Very well presented in a logical and analytical way that makes us better informed and able to evaluate the risk. I appreciate it!

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

Much appreciated my friend

@normanrehme3836 Жыл бұрын

You did it again. How did you know this was an issue I’ve been wrestling with and trying to decide how to handle? Thanks again for being a mind reader.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

No problem 👍My Ears were burning and I was watching a documentary about 3 Mile Island

@rossjackson3670 Жыл бұрын

Thank you Alex. Keeping up with technical issues is just so easy using your tutorials. As an honorary apprentice I feel chuffed.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

You have been with me a while now Ross. I think that would make you a Journeyman. 👍

@chungalunga18 5 ай бұрын

Thank you very much Alex. As always precise. You are truly the greatest on this platform and I hope people appreciate that.

@watchrepairtutorials 5 ай бұрын

I appreciate that! Thank you

@russellbiofish Жыл бұрын

An excellent and informative video as always Alex! Thank you.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

My pleasure Russell

@readrepairs Жыл бұрын

Brilliant! Great clear logical progression through the process

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

Thank you, as always

@Surge1045 Жыл бұрын

Great video. Very well researched and presented. Kudos. I appreciate the fact that you provided “numbers” that the viewer could work with the evaluation exposure risk. A lot of these videos are a lot of talk and even measure parts with Geiger counters but don’t provide any context to determine safety exposure. I am just getting into vintage watches - specifically ww2 era military - and am definitely getting a Geiger counter.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

Thank you my friend. I try to be different here.

@samnova450 4 ай бұрын

Thanks for the feedback on this topic. Just happens I have already ordered a GMC-300S from Amazon.

@boydsargeant7496 Жыл бұрын

As always Alex, awesome! Love all your tips!

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much Boyd. Its always good to see you here my friend.

@larrylauer7114 Жыл бұрын

Wow. Thanks for a fantastic lesson. I sure needed that as well as I would truly like to have a giger counter. What a neat gift. Larry

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful Larry.

@zopilotesky3014 8 ай бұрын

Very informative and helpful. Thanks for sharing!

@watchrepairtutorials 8 ай бұрын

My pleasure!

@lonniesharp9109 19 күн бұрын

This is exactly what I was looking for. I have a Gruen Precision with a 510 RSS movement in it, which I'm pretty sure is very close to the "Very-Thin" on the video. I looked into it and got hit with a barrage of scaremongering so this definitely put my mind at ease. Thank you for being so thorough and not sensationalizing.

@watchrepairtutorials 19 күн бұрын

You're welcome Lonnie.

@eggsalad7908 11 ай бұрын

This video is so so so amazing thank you! I just started collecting uranium glass and have a Radium clock on the way and have been so confused by all the conflicting information !

@watchrepairtutorials 11 ай бұрын

Glad I could help!

@bangy55 Жыл бұрын

Thanks, Alex. Great info whether you work on radium hands or dials or not.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

You bet Chris. Thanks as always for being here.

@woolshire4637 Жыл бұрын

Good job on the video, once again! A couple of the largest numbers you derived, although accurate, are definitely worst case. One would need to be on top of those exposed hands and dials for 16 hours per day for a year. It should be noted that the glass and case will lower the dose, as they do provide some beta shielding, and all alpha shielding. Removing the radium under liquid is exactly the correct procedure because the ingestion pathway is waaaay worse than general exposure. And, it’s the alpha radioactivity that finds its way into your bones and never leaves. Also, alpha will not register (for the most part) on the dose rate instrument. I’m a 33 yr career radiochemist. Bottom line; handle with care and be deliberate about minimizing direct exposure to the radium. ie move them several feet away under glass after removing them. Your dose will be very minimal that way.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

My biggest fear making this was for someone, like yourself saying, "You got it all wrong" . I went back and looked at the report and I do believe that when they refer to the exposure from wearing the watches they are calculating the radium in a case. Thak you for your comment Woolshire

@ScottMcCormick12358 Жыл бұрын

@@watchrepairtutorials We need the opinion of a radiochemist on this topic. Thanks so much!

@chungalunga18 5 ай бұрын

ie move them several feet away under glass after removing them. What exactly do you mean by what you wrote, I did not fully understand? Otherwise, thanks for the explanation.

@bigpig9562 2 ай бұрын

@@chungalunga18 I will try. After exposing the dial and hands, keep them several feet away under a glass cover.

@bigpig9562 2 ай бұрын

"And, it’s the alpha radioactivity that finds its way into your bones and never leaves. Also, alpha will not register (for the most part) on the dose rate instrument." So.... there is no way of knowing what dose of Alpha you're getting 😛, it never leaves 😨, and the most harmful internal hazard as compared to gamma rays or beta particles. 😱

@justinmonti7461 Жыл бұрын

I exposed myself without knowledge cleaning dial of old bulova from the 1920s. People think I am crazy when I tell them about radiation in vintage timepieces! Great video

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

Thanks Justin.

@rangerstl07 Жыл бұрын

Very good info. Thanks for doing this.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

@MrSloika Жыл бұрын

Very thorough explanation. Thank you.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

You are welcome!

@bryanscottandrews3451 Жыл бұрын

Ironically I was wondering about this as I was just putting a new strap on a 1927 Elgin with radium dial and hands when this video popped up.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

Weird Huh.

@WristwatchMedic1953 Жыл бұрын

Great information. Thank you

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

@tomholloway7566 Жыл бұрын

Very, very interesting, thanks Alex

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

My pleasure Tom

@osobad1127 Жыл бұрын

First! Love your videos they are so informative!

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

Glad you like them!

@robcarnaroli269 Жыл бұрын

Being able to measure it and let the owner know might be valuable too. They may have no idea and would like it removed. Great vid.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

Well said!

@danllew91 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this video. Very informative. I bought a couple of vintage Seiko's and couldn't find any information about when they stopped using Radium and was a bit worried about opening them.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

I can honestly say that I have never seen a Seiko with Radium even though I do understand that it might’ve been used somewhere in the 40s but from what I’ve seen it’s pretty rare for a Seiko to have radium.

@ValentechTime 11 ай бұрын

@@watchrepairtutorials I agree, all Seiko watches I worked on had no radium on them... until recently. The 6106-8069 with Seikosha Cal. 6106B was found having radium, Geiger counted it and It came by surprise. Still not sure if it's a radium or tritium though.

@daves6259 Жыл бұрын

Many thanks Sir, Words of wisdom

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

So nice of you Dave. Thanks Brother

@Trilogy_2022 Жыл бұрын

That was so helpful to me. I just worked on some radium watches and of course i have a geiger counter but i was still scared. The tip to scratch it off in ipa… So simple but this didn’t came into my mind. Thanks again.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

Glad it helped!

@jozsefizsak 5 ай бұрын

Very helpful!

@watchrepairtutorials 5 ай бұрын

Glad you think so!

@andrewwebster437 Жыл бұрын

Another really good video

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

Thanks again Andrew

@joshuabatchelder1797 3 ай бұрын

This was very helpful. However, I think a relevant discussion point would be to compare the exposure measured to natural background radiation in addition to recommendations for occupational exposure, especially when you consider studies have found those who work occupationally with radiation to have higher rates of solid cancers. With this as a comparison, you can note that your radiation dosage is comparatively much higher, even if you don’t open the watch.

@gregleingang9409 Жыл бұрын

Very well done video

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much Greg.

@Supercruze Жыл бұрын

Excellent informational video Alex and it really gives me some comfort knowing the science behind watches with radium. i have typically avoided woking on any vintage timepiece with radium. Is there any danger from prolonged exposure to tritium watch dials and hands?

@quaarjet Жыл бұрын

Tritium has a half life of 12 years, most of the vintage watches that used Tritium are below background radiation levels.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

Thanks SuperCruze, See below

@ziloom11 Жыл бұрын

Hello. First, I must complement you on the way and clarity, which you pass on your knowledge. Clear and simple, yet full of information. I am wondering if there is more information available from you, besides the videos we see on your 2 KZfaq channels? Thank you for your help and time.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

I post some higher level repair videos on Patreon and I am in the proce3ss of building out a website, watchrepairtutorials.com that will have write post that and resources not found on KZfaq.

@ziloom11 Жыл бұрын

@@watchrepairtutorials thank you. So all i need is to be patreon?

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

@@ziloom11 To get the extra's yes

@pablosoto5407 Жыл бұрын

1.- watch perfect seals is a must if you work with radioactive vintages, radioactive dust its the worst way of exposure and surrounding environment contamination way (cause generate possibilities to be breathe/eaten, really the worst ways of exposure cause there its a direct and permanent way of exposure). 2.- Doses are affected by interposing materials, so its lesser at back (due metal) and more in front (plexy or glass) for your arm skin, but in any case less than a direct paint measure. 3.- Today there are Tritium instead Radium (T swiss made T noted at dial for paint, and tiny sealed tritium tubes), a less hazard material but its also discussed. 4.- You cannot thrown away radioactive materials into trash, well you can but you are not being responsible of a 3rd affected, children, humans, garbage workers, animals, soils...these materials need to be stored, labeled with all details and warnings, and ideally, delivered to a radioactive organization in your country. If that doesn't exists in your country, who knows, maybe your own hole capable of storage and resist the next 1k or more years...who knows, In many places there is no safer solution, so solutions in this topics need to be discussed.

@WatchWithMike Жыл бұрын

Great video, very well explained! I just started noticing the letter 'T' on either side of the words "Swiss Made" at the bottom of some of my watches, meaning tritium. I never knew they labeled tritium watches… Will have to learn more about how it compares to radium. In the meantime, I will be using common sense caution!

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

Good to see you MIke.

@moe.h Жыл бұрын

Awesome video! Definitely brought some motivation in me to fix a watch I collected. I would like to know your views on Tritium based paint dials and watch hands, and how might it be different than radium.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

Obviously they are some concern but less than Radium for sure. I would use the same safety precautions just to be on the safe side

@CeceliPS3 Жыл бұрын

@@watchrepairtutorials I read that Tritium is as radioactive as a banana. Wouldn't it make Tritium harmless then? I have a very small Tritium keychain that just stays in my room as decoration and I can see it when I go to sleep because it has a light glow. I read that this glow lasts about 10 years and then it kinda dies.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

@@CeceliPS3 would you put a drop of it on your tongue? Probably not right? In normal use it doesn’t have near the issues radium could have but safe as a banana.probably not.

@kevinstenner8836 2 ай бұрын

Very interesting.

@watchrepairtutorials 2 ай бұрын

Just gives you something to think about.

@svenning28 Жыл бұрын

great video! guess ill have a look on that old hand set box i have at work. says radium on it, and all the hands are in small glass containers in side the box. would love to set a geiger counter on it and se how much it spews out.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

That would be interesting.

@quaarjet Жыл бұрын

Nice video Alex. Couple of things to note, the NRC also has a document that discusses the general license of owning these radium radioactive sources and the disposal of them. I'm quite surprised that after cleaning there still are hot radium particles left on the hands. I wonder if it was incomplete cleaning or if the hands are activated now.

@alanmckinnon6791 Жыл бұрын

No cleaning or paint removal is complete, there definitely will be microscopic flecks of paint left, with radium atoms in them albeit a tiny fraction of what it was. "Activation" is not a thing. There is either a radium atom there or not, and it either decayed or it didn't. The steel or brass in the hands didn't somehow themselves become radioactive, physics doesn't allow that. It is always a case of some radium remains.

@quaarjet Жыл бұрын

@@alanmckinnon6791 Yes, activation of material is a thing with neutrons. Cobalt for example, is such a metal that can become activated. In this case, it looks like the remediation is not sufficient then.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info!

@alanmckinnon6791 Жыл бұрын

@@quaarjet Right, yes of course. Neutron capture; and I really should have thought of that. Sorry for the noise

@ScottMcCormick12358 Жыл бұрын

@@alanmckinnon6791 Perhaps we need to discover more aggressive cleaning techniques that remove ALL the radium.

@koltsv 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for the great video! I am particularly scared to work on Radium watches. I have a watch box with radium hands sitting in the far corner of my room. Anytime I take any parts out of it, I am scared. Definitely need to check the radiation with a geiger counter, and put these hands far away in a storage facility.

@watchrepairtutorials 10 ай бұрын

Then why do you work on them? Plenty of other options

@haping1 Жыл бұрын

Thanks Alex. Great informative video as always! From which period of time they used radium for watch (hands)? Can we see from the color of the lume if they are radium filled (or probably radium filled)? In case we're not having a Geiger Counter....

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

If you have positively seen enough radium hands and dials you can identify it, but it's not a good system if you have concerns about it.

@user-tc3qd2pk6x Жыл бұрын

Alex, thx for covering this very sensitive issue... Personally I am still way too scared and/or not willing to take any chance at all. So, my two watches that *may* have radium dials still lie in a drawer... I also have an issue with disposing of the radium you will be discarding (Switzerland, for example, has strict regulations about that; as far as I know....).

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

Y Thak you. It is a sensitive subject for sure. Being that radium comes out of the ground naturally, I don't really worry about the once a year, that I might clean off some radium paint. But you make a valid point for anyone doing a lot.

@robertlangham9028 Жыл бұрын

This is a great video and very well balanced. My own view is that the risks of wearing radium watches might be overstated by the watch community. Working on them is a higher risk activity, though, for the reasons you state. I'd be interested to know if there is any data to show increased rates of cancers, etc. in those that actually wore these watches when new in the 1920's and 1930's. Assuming that most men wore 1 watch for most of the year and may have worked in close proximity with other men wearing such watches, would we expect to see increased health issues? We've been through a similar radium issue with vintage aircraft instruments. If they were so very lethal, you'd expect to see these effects in the aircrew that sat for hours in front of these instruments. Thanks for posting your video though, really enjoyed it.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

My personal feeling is that it would be pretty hard to identify people whose exposure to radium was the cause of their cancer unless they were a class action lawsuit as we have at the Camp Lejeune NC marine base. Then people start coming out of the woodwork.

@robertcalkjr.8325 8 ай бұрын

Thanks, Alex. I kinda worried about that a little bit.

@watchrepairtutorials 8 ай бұрын

IMO, Nothing really too much to worry about. It’s more important just to be aware of what you’re dealing with and how to deal with it safely.

@Nick-cz7ft Жыл бұрын

Excellent video again, thanks. Have you done any research or measured radon gas from vintage watches? I believe a study was done here in the UK to measure everyday doses of radon gas and vintage radium watches were seen as a source as radium decays into radon gas. So, I was wondering what this means for the amount of radon floating around in a room with these watches present Cheers.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

They included radon in the report I quoted from

@Nick-cz7ft Жыл бұрын

@@watchrepairtutorials Great, thank you. I've downloaded the report and will give it a read. 👍👍👍👍

@masuz3972 5 ай бұрын

Hello! This is a very nice and informative video. What would be your opinion on refurbishing an old Marathon GSAR dial (which originally has tritium tubes) and putting in new radium tubes instead? Would you consider the radium tubes safe? How about assembling the dial on the watch, putting the hands on and so on? I am keen on modding a GSAR inspired watch for myself, as I like the dial design alot.

@masuz3972 5 ай бұрын

There is this site called classictimeparts, which sells those refurbished GSAR dials. When I asked for information about the dial, they mentioned that the tubes had radium inside. Then I asked them about the safety, to which they did not respond.

@watchrepairtutorials 5 ай бұрын

I would avoid that website. It’s all fake to answer your other question. Radium has not been used since the 60s. But they’re probably talking about are Tritium tubes and I doubt very seriously that these people are able to buy though, as they’re only sold to a few select large manufacturers. I’m not down with fakes or counterfeit products .

@jtcustomknives 3 ай бұрын

There are some real spicy time pieces out there. Some of the strongest are vintage compasses.

@watchrepairtutorials 3 ай бұрын

Yeah, I try to stay away from that stuff as much as possible.

@peerhauser Жыл бұрын

In your experiment you put the Geiger counter on the hands directly. You compare that with the study, but as you show at 16:30 they're assuming a distance of 30 cm. I too bought a Geiger counter, because I am rather safe than sorry and experimented with distance. And the radiation decreases I would say almost exponentially at distance. However, this is not a statement for the safe working on radium watches. I myself stored every radium watch in a safe place, never opened and do not intend to ever work on them. That's just my risk profile. Also on inhalation of radium: I am curious why they are assuming that after one watch repair the radiation after inhalation stops and continues only with the next repair. Don't the particles continue to radiate in your lungs and thus add up with every repaired watch until the half life turns down the emitted radiation? I also wonder if the trash can is the correct disposable container for radiation paint. I am not into the limit's of house trash allowance however. I asked a local trash provider and they gave me a number for radioctive waste disposal, but never called since I am just storing the watches for now. Thank you for shining a light on this. It might safe some people new to the trait to not make stupid moves. Also a nice trick to do it submerged in liquid.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your insight. Determining one's own comfort level was kind of the point to the video. I sounds like you have that figured out for sure. I knew the disposal would get some reaction, but just to clarify, I might do this once every couple of years if that.

@seangerst6561 Жыл бұрын

I once had a Tiel pocket watch with Radium on the hands and the dial but i never wore it. But if i want to wear a radium watch i would remove all the Radium. PS. I love your videos

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

Thanks Brother. Personally, I don't wear or work on them at all.

@the-chillian Жыл бұрын

I want to point out that just because nothing on a watch is glowing, that doesn't mean there's no radium on it, or that the radium has somehow expired. Radium has a half life (the amount of time for half of a sample to decay to some other element) of 1600 years. Even if the dial was painted 100 years ago, virtually no radium would have decayed away. Radium itself doesn't glow. The radiation it emits can make certain phosphorescent materials glow. Radium-based lume was radium mixed with zinc sulfide. It's the zinc sulfide that actually glows, and which will cease to glow after several decades as it deteriorates. The radium remains.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

All great points Chris. Thanks for jumping in.

@the-chillian Жыл бұрын

@Watch Repair Tutorials I should have mentioned, great video. The risks needed to be quantified for people, rather than the vague alarms more often heard.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

@@the-chillian That wa really the whole point here. Yes there are some potential issues but, if handled properly, there is usually not very much risk.

@bigpig9562 2 ай бұрын

@@watchrepairtutorials Using covid as an example, we are basically screwing around a watch without knowing how much we have been exposed to. In Covid's case, we got the result pretty quickly, we won't know in playing with the watch. Besides, there is the risk of accidents. But I am glad I stumbled across your video.

@watchrepairtutorials Ай бұрын

@@bigpig9562 This is true. So the way to mitigate exposure is to not work on them at all. Easy peasy.

@nathanwabre 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for talking about radium. The concern to me is to accidentally « crashing » the watch on a door jam, a wall and whatever else, in such a situation in which the crystal could fall off or break , the radium decay and radon gazes released could be very concerning. People, please be conscious and meticulous about these vintage radium-containing watches. If well cared for and properly handled this can be all fine. But there are conditions for that to happen, it’s important to be mindful about that. Some days I feel ok about it, some days I feel that the hobby isn’t worthy of the risks. I’m not sure…

@watchrepairtutorials 10 ай бұрын

Good advice Nathan. The other option that one can choose is not having any of them at all and then there’s not gonna be a problem.

@nathanwabre 10 ай бұрын

@@watchrepairtutorials well of course. That a clear and safe way out of it. For now I don’t acquire any new radium watches but it can’t put my head around selling the timepieces I already own :/

@jmarind1 Жыл бұрын

Congrats for the video and the channel, Alex. I’m now a follower! I’d like to ask you something about this topic. Recently bought one Citizen Bullhead 8110 (the so called Brad Pitt), a magnificent vintage piece which needs to be serviced due to a one pusher malfunction and a very damaged crystal. In my previous research, before buying it, I didn’t learn of an issue that really worries me: the possibility that this model is radioactive because of the use of promethium in the dial. Before posting this, I’ve read articles, forums and papers about this matter. Apparently, the models that may contain the radioactive substance are those with the designation ‘P JAPAN P 8110’ on the dial; and the watches with de designation ‘JAPAN 8110’ would be free of this material. But I havent’t been able to confirm it by any source. My watch is into the last category (‘JAPAN 8110’). Please, could you help me? I need to know if this information is correct. If it is, I will keep and service my fantastic watch. if it is radioactive, I will get rid of it as soon as possible. Thanks in advance!

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

The only way to know is to test it. I wouldn’t go by see numbers as you. Ever know what’s original and what’s not.

@jmarind1 Жыл бұрын

@@watchrepairtutorials Thanks a lot for tour quick answer, Alex. I'll follow your advice, you're right, it is the only way to know it. Congratulations again for your channel.

@Dazdigo 2 ай бұрын

What if you want just the radium as a calibration source? Any way you recommend to collect it and encase it in a resin?

@watchrepairtutorials 2 ай бұрын

I am no expert on Radioactive materials. Maybe someone else might have an idea.

@wyocoyotewyocoyote9007 Жыл бұрын

Had a aunt that worked at the Athens, Georgia Westclox Factory, I just found out. Its still closed due to radium contamination.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

Was she affected health wise by working there?

@wildernessofzinn17 Жыл бұрын

Interesting stuff. When were these watches made and when did they stop using radium?. How "vintage" does the watch have to be to have radium on the hands and dial? Had they stopped using it by the 1960s?.

@GentlemensWatchServices Жыл бұрын

Radium stopped around the late 60s, but we cant assume the dial and hands on a watch now are the ones they started out with. Im going to start checking any old lume

@wildernessofzinn17 Жыл бұрын

@@GentlemensWatchServices Wow...that late!. Thanks, A. Heck, I've handled these and never gave it a thought. I have my father's old 25-year-service Accutrons from the 60s and early 70s, and they have lume hands. They're not much account after all this time, but they do glow for a short while after being subjected to ultraviolet light.

@GentlemensWatchServices Жыл бұрын

@@wildernessofzinn17 I’ve probably been a bit too relaxed about it too. Geiger counter arrives today.

@neohavic6012 5 ай бұрын

This is so damn timely (no pun intended)… I’ve been eyeing an Ingraham Fireball radium clock, but wasn’t exactly sure what the radiological impact of it would be. I mean, I knew the ZS would be degraded by now and almost certainly would no longer glow (completely negating the whole point), but seeing the numbers that a single *pocketwatch* has, I can only imagine what an entire DESK CLOCK would have 😳😳😳 EDIT: granted, it’s a desk clock, ergo, not in close contact with the body, so the effective dose would be greatly diminished, so obviously the dose would be lower. Although the one I was looking at had a stuck movement, so I was going to have get into it to try and get it going again, so that presented a whole can of worms in regards to paint dust, etc. etc… I was considering adding a new layer of ZS paint over the old radium paint to get it glowing again using laser cut masks, but that risks pulling up the old stuff, so I’m undecided on the whole… decisions, decisions. I have a degree in applied physics, so it wouldn’t be the first time I’ve worked with radioactive materials, but they always make me squeamish…

@watchrepairtutorials 5 ай бұрын

I am glad you can appreciate the science behind the report that I was referencing in the video. Tough decision. Speaking of clocks I am getting a Nixie tube clock. Ever heard of them?

@SPLTDP Ай бұрын

Great video! I think there is an error on the report. They are stating 15 mrem/yr is that a typo? Because in your senerio you are stating mrem/hr in a 25 hour period. Thanks!

@watchrepairtutorials Ай бұрын

I'm not sure, my friend. It's been a long time since I've seen that report.

@SPLTDP Ай бұрын

@@watchrepairtutorials ok thanks buddy!

@mtbbiker6401 4 ай бұрын

I'd be interested in purchasing the Geiger counter to test many of my recent Aliexpress watches that claim BGW9 and C3 lume. I suppose if they were at all radioactive, then they should somewhat glow even without exposure to light. Would that be a correct assumption? I kept one of the watches in a dark drawer over several days to see if it glowed at all, and it did not so I'm guessing it's safe to wear.

@watchrepairtutorials 4 ай бұрын

Those are not radioactive and should not be of concern.

@LTC_Tiger Жыл бұрын

I've been trying to find a watchmaker to remove the radium paint from a 1945 Titus watch that my grandfather has passed down to me. It's got a lot of sentimental value to the family, but I don't want to wear it with the radium still fully present on the dial and hands. Do you know of anyone who removes this stuff?

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

Not personally no.

@prun8893 Жыл бұрын

I've been wearing my Zenith Gandhi watch in my left pants pocket for 22 years now. I can't turn right no matter how hard I try. This probably explains it. I'll start wearing it in my right pocket to even everything out.

@bigpig9562 2 ай бұрын

@prun8893 You're so funny. 😂😂😂

@soumyabiswas928 Ай бұрын

I have a old watch with Tritium loume. The watch is about 30 years old and has completely stopped glowing. In that case, does it have any more radioactive properties and can it be harmful to health?

@watchrepairtutorials Ай бұрын

Although much less problematic than radium, you still should use caution when working on these.

@alanmckinnon6791 Жыл бұрын

As others have posted, wearing radium wristwatches is quite safe, the dosage is very low and many more things than watch dials were painted. But that radium infused paint has been there anything from 50 to 100 years and all of it is now flaking off. And finding it's way out of those older mostly-unsealed cases, and so we get into the real problem - how do we dispose of this stuff? I live in South Africa so I could shake it out the window and officialdom wouldn't give a shit. But other countries, especially in Europe, have much stricter rules and penalties. Check the rules for your local area and decide accordingly. Yes, one watch hand is meaningless in the grand scheme of things, but some authorities reason that if they are slack on watches then people might start flushing medical isotopes down the toilet.... Me personally, I don't work on radium hands or dials because I don't have the PPE to protect against microscopic dust particles from perishing dials

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

You make a good point. I am not advocating polluting by any means, But like you said, One watch every now and then seems perfectly fine to a reasonable person. I also don't personally own and only work on Radium watches once every blue moon.

@AstnLivingHistory 10 ай бұрын

What about a compass? I have an old ww2 one and need to know what to do with it. The glass is still intact and everything, but I'm not sure if its worth keeping.

@watchrepairtutorials 10 ай бұрын

I’m assuming you’re talking about one that might have radium in it? If it’s part of a collection or you’re fond of WWll memorabilia why not. Just don’t open it or sleep with it under your pillow.

@88kenb 6 ай бұрын

@watchrepairtutorials hey, I am having the same concern, is it worth keeping a couple in the attic? I am actually far more concerned about cell phone radiation and cell towers but better safe than sorry, also can other types of radiation coming from cell phone towers for instance somehow affect the watch or compass and make it radiate more somehow? I guess not but you seem to know what you are on about. Just don't want to take any risks with these especially don't want to be exposing loved ones over just having something. Supposedly they aren't dangerous but am hoping that's not just wishful thinking. Any sort of risk over a 1meter radius and they're out. Thank you.

@tommusikauswahl1066 Жыл бұрын

Just a remark: The Notes said, that the Assumtions for the Test was a Distance to the Timepeace of 30 cm, ehile you meassured it with your Geiger Counter at direct contact (Distance 0 cm). Maybe you might include that into your Considerations, maybe you get other results when Testing from the same Distance as the Report was, that you are comparing with.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

So are you saying that there would be more or less exposure in my example?

@tommusikauswahl1066 Жыл бұрын

@@watchrepairtutorials I would expect less exposure. One would expect a higher exposure direct at the source of the radiation and less radiation in a distance, do you agree?

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

@@tommusikauswahl1066 Here is what it says. "The timepiece is handled during the repair process for 25 hours at a distance of 30 cm (0.3 m). Exposure pathways during this period are external non-contact exposure, inhalation of dust generated by scraping and sanding the paint, and ingestion of dust generated by scraping and sanding the paint." I am not reading this as a point of measurement, but as a distance from the piece being worked on. The point here is that the real exposure is from inhalation not, skin exposure. What say, You?

@johnhannon Жыл бұрын

Great video Alex! I like the tip on removing radium from the hands. Have you measured how much less the radioactive level is once the hands have been cleaned? Just curious.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

Yes, In the video.

@hockeyrd99 7 ай бұрын

I look for signs like burned dial marks and crystals. Since it's such a controversial topic, my advice is to first test your watch (it may not be hot). I did a test years ago of 20 different styles. The ones I thought would be the hottest (like cushion watches from the 1930s) didn't register anything, yet some Timex from the mid 1950s were really bad! From there each individual can decide what's safe, depending on their own comfort level.

@watchrepairtutorials 7 ай бұрын

Exactly. Common sense goes a long way.

@richardtreem864 Жыл бұрын

Do you always remove the radium from the hands and relume, even when it’s still intact?

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

I don't really work on these very often, but I would always remove it.

@RawDudeFishing Жыл бұрын

I did have a question about the radium regarding if you have your watch in a case next to let's say pipe tobacco in a jar and snacks in a jar would they be safe to ingest?

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

I probably wouldn’t store radium watches by snacks, but that’s just me.😜

@RawDudeFishing Жыл бұрын

They were only near it for like 6 days so they should be fine. Was just wondering.

@rbmwiv Жыл бұрын

I had a radium watch and luckily I have a good friend who is a nuclear safety guy, I had him check it with his equipment and he said it was totally safe. He said if I open it up to wear a respirator and try to do the work with the hands and dial under a hood.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

A respirator i not a bad idea as long as it has a HEPA filter. Once everything is cleaned, you really don't need too wear it anymore.

@Metametheus Жыл бұрын

Should be careful with using IPA and anything radioactive, as alcohol evaporates at much lower temperatures than water, its much easier to inhale vapors containing particles or ionized gas of radiation. One thing that can help is adding borax into the IPA as its contains Boron, a known Neutron Absorber, beta shouldn't get to far though wrapping the cup in Aluminum or Tin foil should help with that. Plus the added benefit of the cleaning of borax grit to help remove any stubborn paint still stuck to the hands.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

This is a really helpful comment, thank you. It sounds like you have a background in some field of science. I’m not sure which. I don’t really work on radium very much these days, but there are that do and this is great information to have.

@GranBuroo Жыл бұрын

I‘m unsure about the calculation that you made to estimate the amount of radioactive material in a watch hand (1 micro-Curie). Although you warned it might not be exact, it seems like it may not even be close to the correct amount. You measured the radiation at a distance of a few centimeters, while the report assumed a distance of 30 cm, introducing a factor of about one order of magnitude (10). As radiation from a point source diminishes as the square of the distance, it can be assumed that the detectable radiation at 30 cm is lower by a factor of about two orders of magnitude (100). This implies a much much lower amount of material in the watch hands you were measuring. It is reasonable to assume that the study chose the value (1 micro-Curie) to be larger than all the content in a typical watch, i.e. dial and hands combined, including paint in the lettering.

@GentlemensWatchServices Жыл бұрын

I was thinking something similar, but it’s not really about the numbers. If you inhale a particle of radium there are two possible outcomes. If you don’t inhale the radium there’s one good outcome.

@GranBuroo Жыл бұрын

@@GentlemensWatchServices I see your point about inhalation. But the point I was trying to make (concerning radiation emission) is that the NRC study is not necessarily underestimating the amount of radium in a watch (

@moskauuhrmacher6833 10 ай бұрын

Radium is number two thing that could really mess u up. But more dangerous thing is big clocks mainspring 😂

@watchrepairtutorials 10 ай бұрын

There is no doubt about that my friend.

@bigpig9562 2 ай бұрын

@moskauuhrmacher6833 Did it give you a good whip? But luckily, you're still at it. 😂

@moskauuhrmacher6833 2 ай бұрын

@@bigpig9562 it wasn't big enough. But I glad to have all my teeth, fingers and both eyes intact 😅

@nathansaunders2576 4 ай бұрын

Will the GMC-300S pick up radium on watch hands, from several inches away? I have a potentially radioactive watch in a cardboard box, which I'd like to determine isn't radioactive before opening. I have the GMC-300S and it's not picking up anything unusual from the outside of the box, which can't be anymore than a few inches from the watch.

@watchrepairtutorials 4 ай бұрын

Put it next to the crystal. What’s that watch?

@nathansaunders2576 4 ай бұрын

@@watchrepairtutorials 1943 Elgin A-11, I don't want to open the box until I have a better understanding of what may be inside. Loose radium particles, radon gas, contaminated packaging etc.

@watchrepairtutorials 4 ай бұрын

@@nathansaunders2576 well, if it has any lume it definitely is radium.

@user-yu5kl3ud7l 11 ай бұрын

How dangerous is it for someone to manipulate the clock hands with bare hands? My uncle, out of ignorance, brought three of those watches to our house, two of which supposedly contain radium (one of them even says radium). I noticed it and alerted my family, but it was already too late. My uncle opened them to fix them without any protection and exposed my family. What can happen?

@watchrepairtutorials 11 ай бұрын

Personally, I wouldn’t be too worried about a one time exposure. But I am neither a doctor, nor an expert on radiation poisoning.

@zolikoff 8 күн бұрын

The US average may be 600 mrem but that doesn't mean it's individually true for all humans on Earth. There are some places where the natural exposure exceeds 10,000 mrem per year for the local population. Also in reality not just the dose matters but the dose rate as well, although the LNT model postulates that dose rate is irrelevant (but seems to be wrong about that).

@watchrepairtutorials 8 күн бұрын

That's interesting. Thanks for sharing your views.

@mtbbiker6401 4 ай бұрын

Are Tritium watches of any concern? There's the tube style and regular tritium painted lume usually marked with a "T".

@watchrepairtutorials 4 ай бұрын

Tritium is a relatively weak source of beta radiation, which itself is too weak to penetrate the skin. However, it can increase the risk of cancer if consumed in extremely large So no, not really.

@mtbbiker6401 4 ай бұрын

@@watchrepairtutorials Okay thanks for your reply. So did radium lume require charging by sunlight or did it just continuously glow since it's radioactive when these watches were new? If I understand correctly, the tritium tubes always glow, but what about tritium paint. Does that require charging with light?

@tonygreen3125 3 ай бұрын

@@mtbbiker6401Tritium tubes will loose there glow over time. The half-live is around 12 years so basically, every 12 it's half the brightness as the 12 year mark before it. Tritium lume, like radium lume, did glow indefinitely and needed no charge. At least until the radiation broke down the phospor it was was mixed with. Basically what happens, is an energized particle collides with one of the phospors atoms, nocking an electron into a higher orbital, the excited electron has to get rid of the excess energy to drop back down into it's orbital, it does this by releasing a photon of lite which is the you see as the glow. Modern lumes use light to excite electrons, tritium and radium used radiation. Radioactive lumes needed no charging because unlike light, radioactivity is constant. Hope that answers your question❤

@mtbbiker6401 2 ай бұрын

@@tonygreen3125 Great reply thank you.

@TheEgg185 Жыл бұрын

I assume these watches don't glow anymore? How long does it take Radium® to stop glowing?

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

They still glow under a black light.

@weerobot Жыл бұрын

Soon as I Heard that Geiger...Ok I'll stick to modern pieces..lol

@kevinmcallister2707 7 ай бұрын

Well I was fixing my watch hands had fell off I put them back on I did not know of the radium paint hazard as they do not glow now Ik lol but I did touch them with my bare hand I wash them after the fact I’ll assume I’ll be fine conceding it was like 20 minutes of working with it and I wash my hands feel that an X ray would be more dangerous

@watchrepairtutorials 7 ай бұрын

No worries. I just wouldn’t do that all the time.

@franklinshouse8719 5 ай бұрын

Your measurement of the watch hands was done with the Geiger directly on top of the watch hands. This does not simulate the whole body dose from the hands as your hand and wrist are all over the place during the day, decreasing significantly the effective dose.

@watchrepairtutorials 5 ай бұрын

I think there was enough data in the report that I shared in this video for people to make their own decisions about what their comfort level is with watches that contain radium.But thank you anyway .

@stujumbo1025 5 ай бұрын

I just discovered that I have owned, for about 4 years, a most likely radioactive Soviet tank clock. The watch was WITHOUT GLASS. I kept the watch mostly in a cardboard box, in a wardrobe drawer, near the underwear and clothes I wear every day. I don't know what level of radiation we're talking about because I don't have the instrument to measure it. What about the other wristwatches (without radio) that were kept in the same box, will they be contaminated? Should I worry? Do you have any general advice for me?

@watchrepairtutorials 5 ай бұрын

Although I wouldn’t panic, obviously move them and get checked out if you are concerned about it. Everything depends on the amount of exposure if any.

@stujumbo1025 5 ай бұрын

@@watchrepairtutorials thank you

@stujumbo1025 5 ай бұрын

@@watchrepairtutorials direct exppusore almost zero, but it was very close to other watches and also near my clothes..

@watchrepairtutorials 5 ай бұрын

@@stujumbo1025 I would just move on, wash your clothes, and you should be fine. Unless you have some sort of compromised immune system, I don’t think you have anything to worry about.

@stujumbo1025 5 ай бұрын

@@watchrepairtutorials thanks again

@Soyyo83 6 ай бұрын

I want to buy a watch, it’s an old Ruhla antimagnetic watch that has green points on the numbers, I’m pretty sure it has radium on it. I’m not a watch fan, I only want a cool watch for using everyday. I don’t know what to do

@watchrepairtutorials 6 ай бұрын

Well, if you don’t open it, there’s really not much to worry about. If you , wear a mask and finger cots just to be safe.

@Soyyo83 6 ай бұрын

@@watchrepairtutorials no I don’t wanna open it, only for use. It’s brand new, an old jewelry here in my town is closing down and selling all very cheap! They sell it to me around $60 (UYU 2500) but I wasn’t sure how safe it would be. Can I send you a photo of it in any social media to know what do you think about? Thanks

@watchrepairtutorials 6 ай бұрын

@@Soyyo83 email it to me through my website. Watchrepairtutorials.com

@alyandjake9090 Жыл бұрын

The Jeff Bridges of watches

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

The Dude Abides

@Golfer-rn7lh 3 ай бұрын

Thanks for your comprehensive coverage, I just have one point. When measuring the radiation in microceiverts, it is essential to determine at what distance from the target the initial study used. Radiation drops off dramatically with distance from the source. When you test your watch hands, you are measuring at a distance of 0mm then using that measurement to approximate the amount of radium in a hand, This may be erroneous if in the original report they used a fixed distance of say 1cm.

@watchrepairtutorials 3 ай бұрын

Good point but I don’t remember seeing any measuring distance numbers so I guess we don’t know for sure.

@tonygreen3125 3 ай бұрын

I read the publication. The dose rates are modeled from; the detector in contact with a 0.5 millimeter platinum shield which is also in contact with the source. Basically like a sandwich, radium source/platinum shield/detector.

@wmbchristie 2 ай бұрын

Are modern luminous dials still using radium?

@watchrepairtutorials 2 ай бұрын

No sir, not since the late sixties.

@GentlemensWatchServices Жыл бұрын

My take away is get a Geiger counter and don't monkey around with radioactive dust when I find it. Job done on your part.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

Yes, no monkeying around. 😁

@soopooritsrich1966 Жыл бұрын

Hello I just visited a vintage watch shop and I held some vintage pieces that were serviced. Should I be concerned?

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

Not at all.

@soopooritsrich1966 Жыл бұрын

@@watchrepairtutorials Thank you very much for the reassurance!

@bishalkahar2172 9 ай бұрын

Hello sir does seiko 5 military 7009 watch contains radioactive paints? Help me

@watchrepairtutorials 9 ай бұрын

Well the 7009 didn’t come out until the late 1979’s so radium would not have been used. Tritium was used during this time period and Swiss watches marked their dials “T” and which can also be seen on Seiko dials although I don’t know how consistent that would be. Tritium had much lower radioactive properties in Radium so it’s generally considered pretty safe unless you have work to ingest it. So here’s the bottom line. If you’re really that concerned but s Geiger counter. it doesn’t need to be a high-end one. If you don’t want to buy the geiger counter stick with lumed watch dials made after the mid 1990’s when Tritium stopped being used.

@bishalkahar2172 9 ай бұрын

@@watchrepairtutorials thank you sir, actually some children broke the watch when they were playing with it. Even I ask to seiko service centre, they said that the watch is safe.

@tonydilucente2342 2 ай бұрын

Luvs me some science.

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@SQueme Жыл бұрын

14:00 a stupid question but imho important : what could be done with the ipa (or residuals once dried) ? - i'm not confident to give this " kibble" to my "cat" 🤣 - more seriously, are there any way to recycle radioactive elements, more than the "trash" as you did (put them in the ocean ... is not a solution even if i dont think it will change the face of the world ...)

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

I am sure there are but for the one set of hands I clean off and dispose of every couple years who is going to do that. If you were doing a lot of radium watch work I could see coming up with a long term solution for disposal.

@devia1988 Жыл бұрын

Alex: the watchmaker we need but don't deserve.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

You DO deserve to know my friend. You do deserve to know.

@wmbchristie 5 ай бұрын

How much radiation gets past the gold encasing my wristwatch?

@watchrepairtutorials 5 ай бұрын

As long as the crystal is unbroken and the watch is sealed very little, and not enough to worry about.

@ceesd Жыл бұрын

You throw the contaminated ipa and tools in the trash?

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

yep

@amandagelien9612 Жыл бұрын

The only way I work on old radium hands is to safely dispose of them and replace them with new style ones or not at all. Remember always be safe as the butt you save is YOU!😷

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

Wise words Amanda. I personally don't really work on them at all anymore.

@darkoflight4938 10 ай бұрын

A very educational video about this subject. But... throwing (more or less dangerous) radium in the thrash!? How do you know what will happen to it? Who will come in contact with it, how and for how long? That seems just so irresponsible. All these precautions and then... just throw it away. In the US, my bet is that the local environmental protection agency will take it. It is definitely not thrown in a landfill. It is taken to hazardous waste. Radium isn´t dangerous, as long as you follow procedure. Don't work on it without protective gear, and don't store in your bedroom. Emits a surprising amount of radon gas.

@watchrepairtutorials 10 ай бұрын

My trash is bagged, picked up by a machine that dumps it in a truck and is taken to a landfill where it is buried back into the earth from which it came. What’s irresponsible about that? We all are exposed to way more radium in out daily lives.

@darkoflight4938 10 ай бұрын

@@watchrepairtutorials Oh, this was not an "declaration of war", just a thought. 🙂 I guess things work in a different manner here in northern Europe comparing to US regarding waste sorting. Everything regarding this is so strictly regulated here because of environmental concerns. I have a couple of friends that used to work in a landfill for a few years. Hard and dangerous work. Thrashbags get crushed in the compactor in the truck. All sorts of stuff, fluids and fumes leakes out. Sometimes the personnel finds things that is not suitable for landfills without sorting. People just tend to put all sorts of stuff in their household thrash. Like chemical waste, old medical drugs, spray paint cans, batteries, household fire alarms, piles of broken glass or other hazardous stuff laying about before all the thrash gets landfilled. In that case it gets sorted more or less manually. Thrash just gets laying about for some time before further processing. There is the danger, even if it is very small amounts, the risk of inhaling that stuff or get it in one´s eyes... Well my thoughts was just regarding that. I really didn´t mean to upset you in any way. Sometimes things just gets out wrong in written words. I like your videos, they are highly educational and interesting. Keep up the good work. 👍

@watchrepairtutorials 10 ай бұрын

@@darkoflight4938 hey, my friend, I didn’t take it that way. I completely understand where you’re coming from, and have changed many things over the years to get away from more toxic materials in my own home. In my case I really don’t work on Radium watches anymore so what you saw in the video it was a one off situation. With that said, I’m not sure if you’ve ever been to a landfill before but the amount of decaying food, baby, diapers, and other miscellaneous crap is literally overwhelming, horrible to smell and be around. For whatever it’s worth, I have a Lotta respect for many of the laws that the European nations use as far as regulating the quality of food and things like that that here in the US are overworked because big companies pay off the politicians. But don’t get me started .😀 have a nice day, and I hope to see you here again

@darkoflight4938 10 ай бұрын

@@watchrepairtutorials Oh, good. I hear you. Sorry to say, many politicians are crooked here too. Money talks and bullshit walks I guess. It is a sort of a game that they play, with us as pawns. Of course I´ll be around, you have some great tutorials. Take care.