The AI Music Scam Destroying Spotify

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2 ай бұрын

In this episode of "Is It Prog?" we're taking a break away from the typical subject matter of the channel and looking at the rise of AI music and its impact on the music industry - especially streaming platforms like Spotify. In it, I use more personal anecdotes from my experiences distributing and managing a band than I would in a typical video.
I contrast AI music's blatantly anti-human nature against progressive rock, which I see as its polar opposite - but it is a broader video in scope and the most important segment is discussing a particular scam that I've come across and have not heard anyone else ever speak about. I believe that this is extremely important to shine a light on, and a serious threat to the future of the music industry as it is now.
Thank you to the Patreon Subscribers, who get Ad-free early access to every video - plus some other perks. If you want to join us, find me on Patreon! - I post infrequently so you only get charged on months when there is at least 1 video released.
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support.spotify.com/us/articl...
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Music Fights Fraud Alliance: www.musicfightsfraud.com/
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Udio AI: www.udio.com/
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@DonnDeVoreMusic 2 ай бұрын

Spotify will eventually be just ai music for bots 😂

@hrvstmusic 2 ай бұрын

With internet traffic being 50% bots, we’re already there

@CoryRayGordonMusic 2 ай бұрын

Not all AI music is created with a good prompter. An ai song that uses a sentence or two vs a song created with thousands of keywords and prompt descriptions to morph the songs second by second are completely different products.

@swojnowski453 2 ай бұрын

it will because we are running out of attention. If there is no attention the system dies. No users = no interaction. No interaction = the end. AI will finish off every platform because to platform will be able to cope with the amount of uploads and bot downloads. Owner curated websites might be the only ones that weather the storm ... although I'm not sure anyone will ever find them in the flood the coming waves of AI content will generate ...

@johndoe_1984 2 ай бұрын

@@CoryRayGordonMusicin both case you still didn’t make music, the AI did and you just prompted.

@jebo 17 күн бұрын

Exactly correct!

@violetto3219 2 ай бұрын

AI visual art on music always betrays the idea that the art doesn't matter, that it simply needs to fill a space and fit a mood, with no consideration towards aesthetic, style, symbolism, or context. as a visual artist myself i notice all the discrepancies and it gives me the uncanny valley creeps

@bosco7837 2 ай бұрын

I get the same creeps when I watch KZfaq artists do videos against AI-generated visual content while using 1) AI generated background music 2) Speech-to-text captions 3) AI-translated subtitles. As if these things don't matter.

@fealow4983 2 ай бұрын

Your statement is simply false with the amount of control a user has over what gets generated by AI with the current available implementations. Also the user gets exactly what they want most of the time vs the risk of an artists ego getting in the way and more money being required for further revisions etc...

@wolfgangdevries127 2 ай бұрын

Art is just like fast food. Finally the curtain of pretension has dropped down 😊

@LawrenceAaronLuther 2 ай бұрын

I did't see how the hypocrisy wasn't quite obvious to those musicians. If we really wanted AI (I'm not talking about ex-NFT now AI bros- they're beyond help) then we'd already be watching pitching machines pitch to robot hitters.

@sh1elds_tv 2 ай бұрын

@@wolfgangdevries127 maybe for you because you have no culture lmao

@svenisaksson3970 2 ай бұрын

The 1000 play limit does nothing to combat AI music fraud. You prove it yourself. None of these AI tracks fails to reach this limit! If only serves to punnish new artists. What Spotify should do (if they were genuine) is to deny payouts for tracks that are not copyrightable. This would, effetively, rule out AI generated tracks, noise and other such junk.

@progrock 2 ай бұрын

I mostly agree, but the majority of the non-botted AI tracks do not reach 1000 plays. However, pumping out thousands of tracks that get 900 plays would potentially add up and go undetected. I didn't show these in the video because on the surface they are less of a burden on the algorithm. An artist starting out and using the platform to share their music will not necessarily miss the $3-5 those plays would have generated, and they do get it after they reach that threshold. That said, I agree that they do deserve that money, but I can understand the rationale (if the AI people were following the terms of service, which they are not). The other issues are that AI music can actually be registered as a unique work by ASCAP and BMI, though they are trying to change that, and are likely a pinch point that I should have mentioned in the video. It's not quite the same as copyright, but royalties can still be payed out through them. If that can be sorted out, which would probably take some legislation to ensure that ai music sites and programs contain a watermark, then I am totally on board with you, that would be a great solution. Copyrighting a song is a bit of a process, and costs around $35 per song, which is a little bit of a burden on small artists (they'd have to get 7,000+ streams to make up for it), but that might make the AI scan untenable for a lot of the people doing it, which would be good. I really appreciate the comment, thanks for giving us something to think about!

@svenisaksson3970 2 ай бұрын

@@progrock The legislation is already in place! At least in the US. The US Supreme Court has decided that ONLY art GENERATED by human beings, can be copyrighted. AI, or monkeys, are NOT human geings. I seriously doubt that ASCAP and BMI allow you to register works that are uncopyrightable. Why should they? The PROs sole perpouse is to protect their members copyright, and if something falls outside the copyright system all together, they lack all juristiction. "Copyrighting a song is a bit of a process, and costs around $35 per song," Only in the US! In the rest of the world (containing 95% of the population) it's automatic, and costs nothing! I'm not sure about Noth Korea, though.

@ArminSemsar-og1ft 2 ай бұрын

The dark internet theory is pretty real at this point. If 90% of the shit we see online isn’t even real why even bother? I think the silver lining here is that making the internet virtually unusable will cause a lot more people to touch grass. I actually have a lot of hope for the future lol.

@swojnowski453 2 ай бұрын

Just build your own website, curate your own content. do not allow AI into it, keep your users and friends behind a login ... like in the real life. You do not allow everybody come, take what they want and sell it elsewhere. Instead you have a small circle of friends and you support each other. The time has come to close the gate and leave AI both out in the cold ...

@northernbrother1258 2 ай бұрын

Maybe I'm being overly optimistic and naive, but hopefully the tsunami of AI content flooding the Internet will make us value and seek out genuine and authentic human content and interactions? 🙏

@aleedersart 2 ай бұрын

I believe this as well. Example:I paint portraits and sing AND drum and write songs. Not a big deal today. But...tell this to a human in 6 years? They won't even believe YOU do what AI attempts At this time, I believe multi discipline artists WILL be a public mind blower. Just wait

@AndrewSouthworth 2 ай бұрын

I think this too honestly. In a world of plastic injection molded parts and CNC machining, humans still appreciate hand crafted things and pay a premium for it. We're all still amazed when we see people that make art with paint brushes despite digital art being the norm. In a world where everything is computerized, people crave rawness and authenticity. I even think Ai tools could push artists to get creative and invent new styles that AI doesn't have in it's training data yet. And allow more people to get into making music themselves because they have so much fun generating songs with AI, that they want to have more control over the process.

@snakesnoteyes 2 ай бұрын

I’m not optimistic. I think it’s a battle of the wallets and how many politicians are invested where. Does the RIAA and it’s components have deeper pockets than tech bros? How many politicians do they own- I mean are invested in them

@foundpat 2 ай бұрын

I think it will be hard to seek out authentic human content because not everyone is going to volunteer the fact that their song was made by AI. So unless they specifically put it in the details it will be harder and harder to tell i fear.

@xanderlurks Ай бұрын

I fear it will end electronic musicians due to most EDM producers not making easily recognizably human music

@cellcage200 2 ай бұрын

"I fear the day that technology will surpass our human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots." - Albert Einstein

@swojnowski453 2 ай бұрын

a generation of idiots lost on the digital ocean without knowing what's human and what optmized, digital junk food for your senses.

@NEEDSHES 2 ай бұрын

We are a minority man( looks like people don't care, they don't care. It's un ethical but it's already here, no one wanna stop it🤷‍♂️ all we can do is just keep making beautiful things because it's our purpose and it makes us happy

@swojnowski453 2 ай бұрын

we stop them by unsubscribing and closing accounts. My music world is stuff issued by 2022 + I play guitar for myself. AI has no place in that world and never will ...

@lorisang5696 27 күн бұрын

@@swojnowski453you really cannot. Because at the end of the day, people like what they like. It doesn't matter where the song/content came from. This is like replacing factory workers with machines

@talbrott 2 ай бұрын

$1000 for great album artwork is a pretty good deal. It's shows respect for your own work and the experience of your fans. Great artists build a whole world around them.

@progrock 2 ай бұрын

It is! I feel like a lot of artists understand the situation of an unsigned band and are really cool about giving a good deal. Same with mastering engineers. Totally agree about "building a world", people underestimate the connections you make working with artists and having conversations with them.

@mikethebloodthirsty 2 ай бұрын

I was doing illustration in the UK 25 years ago... the rate for a crappy illustration say in some poxy boring woodworking or trade magazine was £250... a front page £500... so £1000 for a unique and artisticly worthy cover today is worth it. The problem is music has been fkd by the Internet, out of ANY industry, its been the most decimated. So yunno, these guys are probably having to do everything themselves, finance everything themselves, and if they want to use AI for covers... then go for it. You could spend 1k on a cover, when you won't even make 1k from the sales.

@user-eq7yb6te4p 2 ай бұрын

Totally agreed 👍, it took me 14 yrs to understand

@CoryRayGordonMusic 2 ай бұрын

Remember the naked kid from nirvana? His naked picture is him, yet he has no rights to it. At least AI art is not exploiting anyone.(that we know of)

@Trentstone121 2 ай бұрын

@@CoryRayGordonMusicHis parents sold the photo for $200. So what are you mad about? They got paid what they wanted for it. Nowadays that cover wouldn't be possible anymore anyways. At least the artist got a cover they wanted, no one was robbed for it, and the parents were paid for it.

@some.person 2 ай бұрын

Every week I get at least one obvious AI song on my discover weekly. Usually it's pretty easy to tell because the artist name is always generated gibberish like "Bleerd Cleabs", the cover art is always trash and the song itself sounds slightly off and is usually 2 minutes max. Every single aspect of the album (even the name), generated. It makes me sad that in the near future AI music might be the norm, and we'll have to sift through and endless sea of this trash to find something an actual human put some effort into creating. I really don't understand how people think writing "lofi hip hop beat" and downloading a .mp3 file is "making music"

@Sergio-nb4hj Ай бұрын

They dont, truly. And its why they will give up doing this after a few months while people like us are going to keep at our craft for decades Typing a prompt and downloading a file is not even 1% as rewarding as the process of working hard on a song or pouring your heart out into a cathartic, emotional process of creation

@eunoiavision7567 Ай бұрын

Bleard Cleabs. I gotta say, that's a pretty dope band name.

@maskmagog99 Ай бұрын

Spotify appears to be creating a LOT of AI music, and feature it on their own playlists, with tracks getting millions of streams. This way they pay royalties to themselves. See Rick Beatos video with Ted Gioia, for example.

@moonloops_ 2 ай бұрын

will be buried by algorithm but here is a comment anyways. thanks for saying something real. we're cooked as a society unless someone cuts this AI stuff off at the source

@swojnowski453 2 ай бұрын

it will cut itself out of existance. You can't leave on highly optimized data as you can't live on fully processed food. People who generate varied content using no AI tech will cut AI bots from the content. I have already implemented AI bot bans, introduced user accounts, user groups, vet every user who joins carefully. Small, well run platforms are the future in the face of the shit we are about to be hit with ...

@monaural2.988 2 ай бұрын

This isn’t even the start of the eventual destruction AI will be responsible for. Overall, wait until the real “bad guys” learn how to master it. Trouble is a-comin’.

@DGF8 2 ай бұрын

Literally subscribed a few days ago and you just come back after a year, awesome!

@progrock 2 ай бұрын

Great timing then! Appreciate ya

@volpir4672 2 ай бұрын

not just an AI issue, I have been asked to create 1000 looping sounds from a company to use on spotify, also 500 ambient 2 min tracks, I've been asked to run servers for a group that milked plays on streaming platforms and also been asked to run a giant phone farm to do the same, all from different companies and people, this has been the standard M.O. in music industry for years.

@progrock 2 ай бұрын

Yeah, that side of it is a mess too. I feel like in the video I went easy on Spotify and the "traditional" music industry to stay focused on the AI topic but it sucks to see when companies, acts, and record labels abuse the system that way. We shouldn't pretend that they have the best interests of musicians and music in general in mind either. If you'd be interested, I'd love to hear more about the inner workings of those projects you talked about, like the looping sounds and phone farms. isitprog (at) gmail - no pressure to though, it just sounds like a really interesting topic.

@CoryRayGordonMusic 2 ай бұрын

I'd rather have 5,000 real song views over 10 million fake song views

@volpir4672 2 ай бұрын

@@progrock I didn't accept the offers, but I might send you over a few details via mail, cheers, I wish I could say I didn't accept to produce due to ethics, but the pay wasn't that good for the work.

@volpir4672 2 ай бұрын

@@CoryRayGordonMusic you missed the point of my message, the music industry uses all sorts of shady tactics to get their tracks high up the charts, now outside groups also use the same tricks to game the system and make cash from streaming platforms.

@ProgNStuff 2 ай бұрын

Bro's back, and with a topic im very interested in!

@icesultan 2 ай бұрын

I missed ya content lad! And on a very important topic nowadays! Also, another thing, can you do a "Is it Prog?" episode on Supertramp? They are my favourite prog band but many people classify them as pop instead.

@progrock 2 ай бұрын

I love Supertramp! They'd be awesome to do, I also think of them as prog and have noticed that.

@icesultan 2 ай бұрын

@@progrock thanks man! It's really good to see content on my favorite genre of music and yours is top notch!

@TheProgCorner 2 ай бұрын

I was wondering where you were!!!! I don’t understand AI so it doesn’t affect me, right? 👍👍

@progrock 2 ай бұрын

That's right, nothing to worry about :D

@MichaelHGravesJr 5 күн бұрын

As someone who uses AI as part of a serious, non-exploitative music creation pipeline, people on both sides of this issue drive me stark raving bonkers. On the one hand, you have the idiots who think it's okay to flood the market with click-button created trash, and insist they are somehow entitled to a payday. On the other side, you have the idiots who think AI can't be used to create real art, and that anyone who claims otherwise ranks just *BENEATH* the Nazis in the scale of who counts as "good people". I am a writer. Words are my talent. But music has always been my passion. When I write lyrics, I can hear the songs in my head, but with AI tools like Suno, I have been able to bring them out of my head and into the world. It's never a fast process, because I often have to re-generate each section of a song dozens of times to get it to sound like I envisioned it, and even then, there's a lot of post-production I do both on my own and with the help of my girlfriend to get a track just the way I want it. Out of 1k credits on Suno, I get (on average) three songs that match my vision and that I could share with others without shame. That also reflects, at minimum, an hour of work each (though given how naturally writing lyrics comes to me, the majority of that time is spent scrapping failed music generations and trying again, with the next-biggest chunk going to post). *EDIT: That's an hour per song segment, so each verse, the chorus, a lyrical bridge if I have one, etc.

@eunoiavision7567 Ай бұрын

So I have prompted some really awesome tunes to lyrics that I have written over the years. I'm not a musician. I want to take these finished generations and have session musicians play them. Is that considered scamming? Would the finished track be copyrightable?

@progrock Ай бұрын

I wouldn't say that it's "scamming" personally, the "scam" part of this video at least is pretty particular to the platforms (the use of botting, playlisting, etc. to deceive people). What you're talking about is a grey area to me, because it could turn out pretty interesting and be a step in a process that is more holistic and centered around human beings. I could see using it as a starting point, but allowing the musicians that you hire to reinterpret the ai results however they want. The US copyright office (assuming that's where you are) only issues copyrights to "works created by human beings", so you can't copyright the original AI output (but, as you can see in the video, it doesn't mean a whole lot for putting it up on streaming platforms and that sort of thing.) Its still a legal grey area on whether you can copyright it with human input added in. I would guess that long-term you will not be able to copyright an AI generated melody, as that is a major component of music copyright. So you may want the musicians you hire to alter the melody (it will probably turn out a bit better if they do anyway!) Alternatively, you can just hire musicians to write a tune to lyrics that you've written - there are tons of examples of "lyricists" who have worked for bands, singers, or on showtunes that are not musicians themselves. Personally, I don't like the ai being involved that heavily in the process. I've been asked to be involved in a similar project to the one you're describing (as a musician) and I declined it. Of course, I can't tell you what to do so I wish you the best with the project, hopefully it turns out cool and makes you happy, and if you can employ some musicians along the way I think that's great.

@hrvstmusic 2 ай бұрын

A “small act” on Spotify is considered like 10k monthly listeners. Anything less and they consider you just a user.

@swojnowski453 2 ай бұрын

and you consider them nothing worth your attention ...

@hrvstmusic 2 ай бұрын

@@swojnowski453 thats a weird assumption to make

@swojnowski453 2 ай бұрын

@@hrvstmusic If you put your effort in and the platform does not care, why would you bother with them. Just leave them, they won't change. They whole business relies on you stay and pray. In the real world you leave an employer like that. Platforms are as much a scam as employment is. Go independent, if you want to be on a platform, make a demo available to them, they deserve nothing more.

@lorisang5696 27 күн бұрын

@@swojnowski453 effort doesn't matter. Quality does

@lidu6363 2 ай бұрын

The youtube algorithm really did well with recommending me your channel 🙏 BY THE WAY, does the name of your band by any chance have anything to do with the song named Firmament by The Ocean? 🤔🧐🧐

@progrock 2 ай бұрын

They're one of my favorite bands actually! We didn't intentionally choose it because of the song, but I'm sure it was a subconscious influence. Thank you, I'm glad you found the channel!

@citizenpcorp1111 2 ай бұрын

Thank you for speaking out! I have more to say on this later. Thanks

@HBbeats318 2 ай бұрын

This is because of the record labels, they are not making off the artist, so with AI they can try controller the music. But if you can perform live you're good because here in texas they love to see you perform live.

@GardinMusic 2 ай бұрын

you're work is appreciated sir

@bertkarlsson1421 2 ай бұрын

Have you listened to Shintokumaru by J.A.Caesar? It's a Japanese psychedelic prog rock zeuhl opera from 1978. Possibly the best prog album ever made!

@progrock 2 ай бұрын

No! I'll have to check it out, sounds awesome. Thanks for the recommendation.

@underground360 Ай бұрын

Unbelievable 😡 this is absolutely brutal to musicians such as myself who has struggled to get out music out there genuinely. I'd say this has to stop ASAP. The musicians are struggling because of this garbage 😡

@lorisang5696 27 күн бұрын

Maybe just put high quality stuff out there?

@CreativeMindsAudio 2 ай бұрын

The issue with the Spotify 1k limit is that it is on a per song per year basis vs the youtube partner program which is on a channel basis. Other than that great video and insights into the issues with AI. It’s a really scary time and I’m less concerned with AI and more concerned with how it’ll be used in a capitalistic society.

@kevinrotten8259 2 ай бұрын

At one.time,We thought Napster was a problem, Now ai has destroyed originality with fake bands & art Rehashed music , especially in the metal genre if your a real artist the only way to beat ai ,is to tour & sell merch if you can afford it good luck

@AnomieDomine 2 ай бұрын

Good thoughts on a complex topic. Wouldn't it be great if this leads to Spotify walling-off AI music? They are hurting themselves in the long run, no one is benefiting except the scammers - even the AI companies are diluting their own value since they train on Spotify. This may be the factor to shift people to other platforms or for Spotify to figure out how to more fairly pay musicians lest they be replaced by the next new thing

@daveymoor 2 ай бұрын

Very well put 👏

@redoberon 28 күн бұрын

ffs... I found this video after investigating because I heard a couple of suspiciously garbagey sounding spotify songs pushed into my recommended. It's even worse than I thought.

@progrock 28 күн бұрын

I started getting them submitted to my playlists 4ish months ago, and the number of them now has exploded, even since uploading this video. - I have a feeling it's going to get a lot worse before (if) it gets better.

@sleepy-tz2mz Ай бұрын

We need anti AI site. Lets how they survive once all the real artist pull out their songs on the platform. Web dev and coders out there this is your opportunity. Real artist are looking for a place. Make a place for human artist only and you can rake in the $$$.

@williamglenn777 2 ай бұрын

“Sit back, no song is written, / It's nothing you thought of yourself. / It's just a ghost / That came unbidden To this house.” So whether human or AI, it’s just the thing that’s making its home in your radio…. (Okkervil River)

@antoniocosta14330 Ай бұрын

you could do a video about Eloy, a great german prog band. keep up the good work!

@progrock Ай бұрын

Awesome suggestion, I'd definitely like to get into them for a while. The only album that I've really got into was "Ocean" but I know they have quite a discography. I'll have to set some time aside for it.

@deanwolfechannel 2 ай бұрын

Thanks, very Informative

@BetoVickers 11 күн бұрын

"DJ Not You Style Tebang" is so bad that is good

@progrock 8 күн бұрын

It really is a marvel of technology

@NomIs-mk3jy 2 ай бұрын

Awesome video, it would be ideal if the streaming platforms could ban AI music altogether but I realize this would be very difficult to do. It's a massive problem and it's only going to get worse before it gets better.

@germanher7528 2 ай бұрын

streaming companies are giving a green light to AI music cause they wanna see the metrics, if theres profit they will join into producing AI music themselves

@swojnowski453 2 ай бұрын

Do not ban AI music, give no attention to the platform. You do not allow a scammer to scam you in the real world, why would you online ... ?

@mando3022 2 ай бұрын

Thanks for the video. This is something that has been done for a long time in a similar way by the major music labels. They have been scamming us with their instant generic music ever since mostly over radio stations and now on streaming platforms as well. They even own Spotify and others. Plus now there are some smartasses copying the same scheme just maybe not as professionally. In both cases it's disgusting. As a music producer it's not encouraging at all. But in the end no matter how much more the tech will advance there has always been only a minority of people appreciating the skills and vibes of unique artists. And for the rest it was, it is and will be good enough!

@alithiaskyheart6963 2 ай бұрын

I fucking missed you so much

@davefk 2 ай бұрын

Really good video. Thanks for the upload.

@MrAthomas400 2 ай бұрын

Spotify's bot problem is their problem, they have people and companies creating and training bots to defraud the Spotify platform, but instead of dealing with those people they transfer that problem to the Artist and not the bot creators and trainers, I create music not bots, and I'm I'm tired of Spotify plucking off my catalogs without proof of who the hell is the bot operator, so now they just saying you have artificial activity, because Spotify's bot tool detection clears my tracks, and they keep saying the same tracks have artificial activity and they removed my music and let the bot operated playlist up and running, so to me Spotify is working with them and their bots, destroying the artist catalog, acting like people are so dumb they'll keep buying bots to boost fake numbers, but no, the bots are helping them steal income from any person they pick.

@patrivolta2484 2 ай бұрын

That AI song about technology sounds like Neil Innes. It's not very proggy frankly. I don't think the programmers really had progressive rock in mind when they trained those AI modules. Wonder what would happen if you tried to generate some 20 minutes epic suite...

@MissTia777 2 ай бұрын

Karma for these corporate theives!

@LoungeAndChillMusic 2 ай бұрын

Great video. I hope AI will blow up Spotify and people realize they paid all those years and are left with nothing. It's time people build their own catalogue again be it through bandcamp or vinyl, etc

@DarkionAvey 24 күн бұрын

you just provided a tutorial on how to it, especially when suggesting distrokid as though they were your sponsors

@its3amagain. Ай бұрын

great video man. unfortunately I think Daniel Ek would be the first one being happy to get rid of artists on Spotify. Just look at him talking. This guy is not an artist. He is not interested in artists. This guy is a pure businessman and businessmen will do whatever benefits the wallet of their company.

@trbrack 2 ай бұрын

The only thing that ai can’t take away (for now at least) is lyrics. The lyric ai generates is so vanilla. There is zero abstraction or ability to paint a mental picture worth remembering

@swojnowski453 2 ай бұрын

AI can't take the pleasure playing music on an instrument from you, that's what it can't take. We live to satisfy our needs. Those who satisfy them through not their efforts sense the world through the wrapper, a bit like watching people walk in the forest. Never full experience ...

@Sergio-nb4hj Ай бұрын

@@swojnowski453not even just playing music, but composing it. The satisfaction of writing what you want will never equal the empty novelty of generating fake music

@fredsarros4626 7 күн бұрын

ChatGPT does.

@MrAthomas400 2 ай бұрын

Those artist at the tier level of $40 Million, we need our own system free from bot corruption and other money grabbing ass activity by some of these DSP's, don't think they don't have a crew of bots waiting in their own menu's just like Spotify and they too will join in and say it and take your money as well.

@matswessling6600 2 ай бұрын

"listener limit is good thing" What? no it isnt. the best would be if the income from each listeners went ONLY to the songs listened to by that listener. (and a share to spotify for hosting the music) if I only listened to songs a and b ALL my paid/ad money should go to these two songs. (and a percentage to spotify)

@progrock 2 ай бұрын

I only meant "good" in the sense that it could potentially help buffer out some amount of scam content. I like the sort of model that you laid out as an alternative, more of a "peer to peer" sort of thing that might be tokenized. Thanks for the thoughtful comment!

@swojnowski453 2 ай бұрын

listener limit means, the platform gets some content for free. Advertisers still pay and the creator gets nothing. KZfaq does it to people too. They earn you starve ... Sounds like a good solution for those who have never achieved the limit but their vids have been hanging around for 10 or so years and while played preceded with and ad ? Nah!

@frosnen 2 ай бұрын

Very good video

@progrock 2 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@GreatBurningNullifier 2 ай бұрын

I think the use of AI images in metal specially by bigger acts just shows how little money theres really is in the metal music industry. Even for bigger artists streaming pays peanuts and most of it goes to the labels anyway, that prompts labels to reduce their budgets significantly and one "easy" to cut off expenses is the artwork or visual like videos. I mean for my band's latest album we used an AI image and it was 100% free, and we didn't do it because we're cheapskates, we did it because we had no budget, we would've loved to pay a talented artist to make the artwork but for an independent band from a 3rd world country which sees no revenue but only expenses it doesn't make much sense to keep burning money.

@Sergio-nb4hj Ай бұрын

Maybe if they spent less money on a pointless guitar collection, alcohol, and strippers, they could afford to pay an artist to create their album's visuals. If Suffocation, Car Bomb, and Archspire can hire artists to make their cover art, why can't other bands? If we're talking third world, just look at Indonesia's brutal death scene, where every single album cover is immaculately created by local artists for competitive western prices. They play BRUTAL DEATH, people say you only play it if you love it for a reason -- because there's no money to be made there And as the video creator said too, collaging public domain images is also always an option

@zibbezabba2491 2 ай бұрын

AI will eventually take huge swathes of jobs which ordinary people depend on to supporet their families. I'm not saying I feel comfotable with that idea but it's inevitable. What makes artists so special that they expect to be immune from this transition?

@Gutz-po9xf 2 ай бұрын

Yes it's unavoidable but they're using the artists' work without permission, and they're profiting from it, and they don't pay anything, that's the problem

@MadazzaMusik 2 ай бұрын

I don't think you can take down your music. Or least I've not managed to. I've stopped making music as it's now impossible to get heard without having to listen to a load of crap to get a repost. There's gotta be another way

@LawrenceAaronLuther 2 ай бұрын

I agree with you 100% that AI is anti-human, but I've had a hard time seeing how we ever could have avoided it as an inherently inventive and progressive species. Even if at some point we could have been content with our progression, like the prisoner's dilemna we would have begrudgingly kept inventing not because it would actually have made our lives better, but just to keep ahead of the "other."

@progrock 2 ай бұрын

Yeah, progress marches on. It's not even that I don't see the potential positives of this tech - It's just obvious that we don't have the collective wisdom to handle it at this point. Very much like an atom bomb for culture.

@swojnowski453 2 ай бұрын

We have not invented it, we have wandered into a digital chasm and found an alien species there. AI is no human, it is an alien we are actively inviting into our biological, analogue world. It will be the thing that will finally make us one, because to make all human agree on something you need an external threat. Just look at some politicians, as soon as things go wrong domestically they look for an external threat and conflict to unite everyone at home against the threat, imagined one or not ...

@AwokenEntertainment Ай бұрын

it's scary how quickly AI is changing every industry..

@d3xm3x 2 ай бұрын

I dont make music for Spotify, but I do have all of 2 monthly listeners. And if my listener account counts then 1 of them is me😅

@samthesomniator Ай бұрын

I really do not think it is going anywhere. AI is here to stay. As well as printing press stayed, photography stayed, cars stayed and computers. An anything esle people once have been mad about. I am more scared not getting in touch with this tech. It might be more harmful not to use it at all.

@thekivster 2 ай бұрын

Great video. The lyrics in AI music are so hilariously bad.

@progrock 2 ай бұрын

THE BEEPS AND BOOPS

@Tronix911 29 күн бұрын

We can be mad about it or adapt to it. Either way it’s not going anywhere

@astralshore 2 ай бұрын

Until you said “wasting advertisers’ money” I was totally in agreement. Afterward too, but that just seemed like a small upside to a generally bad situation.

@progrock 2 ай бұрын

I get ya, I'm not a fan of advertisers either! I more meant that it's something that will get the attention of platforms when it effects their bottom line. 13% of Spotifys income comes from advertisers, rather than premium accounts.

@N8oRMusic 2 ай бұрын

The only creatives that are running to the hills are the fake ones. Real artists need to create. It's like it's the air they breathe. Then need it. Real artists have nothing to worry about. Their art will be worth so much more now.

@swojnowski453 2 ай бұрын

provided someone can find it in the flood of content ...

@N8oRMusic 2 ай бұрын

@@swojnowski453 that's why you have to know your core fanbase and sell through your own website. You'll make an actual living that way .

@taylorfenton3960 2 ай бұрын

I wouldn’t be surprised if people from Spotify own all these AIusic companies to generate revenue

@swojnowski453 2 ай бұрын

Have you seen overproduction crisis in China. If there is too much of something, prices fall, nobody buys, companies go bankrupt, the whole economy collapses. Capitalism dies of lack of scarcity. Economists will have to create a way to make things scarce again to keep the show on the road or we are looking at the end of the trap we have been put in 500 years ago ...

@chillwalker Ай бұрын

You gave a struggeling producer wth about 80 (real composed, 4 weeks in the work each) Originals, 4 Computers, in internet highspeed connection, different browsers with vpns, und pro subs to all kinds of generative ai and offline tools a lot of ideas- But, damn, the german GEMA has forbidden to collect royalties on AI and, eventually the scam will fire back when some one realize that "Artists" based in Germany dont have registered their songs. So, kids: DO IT WHILE I IS POSSIBLE ;-)

@BjoernLewin 2 ай бұрын

OR: “The clickbait users shatter the illusion of integrity, yeah!” #clickbait

@ticklemaster6257 Ай бұрын

Completely unrelated to the video topic, but how would you compare post rock and prog? Pardon the ignorance, but I literally know next to nothing about the prog genre, but all of the music you played in the video gave me VERY big post rock vibes so I kinda figured they were related. Also, crazy to see you're from Canton lol, since If These Trees Could Talk is based out of (Akron iirc?) and I'm from Salem. Apparently there's something in the water in NE Ohio that makes people want to do super technical, atmospheric soundscapes.

@progrock Ай бұрын

Cool to see someone else from Ohio! "If These Tree Could Talk" is an awesome band. I'd say that there is some crossover with Prog and Post Rock, but they're a bit different in ethos. Prog is an older genre and focuses more on things like experimenting with time signatures and having complex song structures then post rock tends to. Where post rock will often have a "minimalistic" feel with drones and focus on building harmonies on top of that, Prog rock has a "Maximalist" ethic that tends towards having instrumentally dense sections that frequently change key and rhythm. Prog rock often is more vocal-forward, while many (but not all) post bands have little to no vocals. Some bands in the prog genre were among the first to experiment with "post rock" sounds, though. One of the notable ones to me is Robert Fripp and Brian Eno's collaboration "No Pussyfooting", which is a solid precursor to post rock. Fripp was from the band King Crimson, which is a classic progressive rock group from the 60s. Other early "post" sounds can be heard in "space rock" bands like Tangerine Dream, who were also very progressive. You could potentially label some of The Moody Blues early work as sounding like "Post Rock" all the way back in the 60s, but I don't think the term would have been around and there are definitely some differences. Post rock started in earnest in the 90s with bands like Bark Psychosis, Disco Inferno, and Stereolab. It continued with bands like Slint and Godspeed You! Black Emperor, who are both very experimental and "progressive" in their own way. As time went on, there have been bands that have made more of a crossover like Mogwai or Swans on the post side, and prog bands like The Ocean doing split EPs with post bands like Mono. It'd probably be a cool video topic, thanks for that!

@ticklemaster6257 19 күн бұрын

@@progrock Okay, awesome! That really opened my eyes to a lot of the nitty gritty technical details of the two genres and that was certainly more than I was expecting lol. I think you've definitely pointed towards some new listening material.

@Gnarrkhaz 2 ай бұрын

Trying to make as much money as possible with as little work as possible is a tactic of the desperate, and it never works in the long term, unless you're already rich. It's kind of pitiful.

@Djeucbess 2 күн бұрын

Ai disrupting every human created art is despicable af

@Bonamici 2 ай бұрын

💙💛thank you!💛💙

@hrvstmusic 2 ай бұрын

“If you’re a parent don’t do this” 😂 but if it makes me tons of money and gives me more time with my kid why wouldn’t someone? 🤔

@theukulelee 2 ай бұрын

Was this video created using AI?

@progrock 2 ай бұрын

Damn, you caught me.

@GriffinPOL 2 ай бұрын

@@progrockno way dude ffs

@SuperBoomshack 2 ай бұрын

I will not knowingly support Ai music or movies, I refuse

@djoneforever 2 ай бұрын

Awesome! Now, everyone can make their own music.

@callactm14 Ай бұрын

all music for money is a scam

@RedCloudServices 2 ай бұрын

I tried to get Udio to give me something remotely close to Tarkus and it failed. It nails Taylor Swift so…perhaps Prog will be one of the few truly human genres for a little while longer. The large record labels celebrate mediocrity, sign and clone human artists now AI can just do that far better 😂

@RaKanMusik 2 ай бұрын

AI can be anti-human but humans are anti-human too... You now have more access than ever to a creative process. You have historically low levels of gate-keeping because of it. Before AI you had RIAA cartel, the mob, payola, you had violent crime funding music production. Neither of these models are sustainable under the overarching model of selling art. I think what gets little focus is the fact that AI exposes a lot of inequity and problems in our culture and our knee-jerk reaction is aversion and boycott. Not only is that a non-starter doomed to fail, it prevents us from growing with and managing the beast. Then you have to get into our very values as a national and global society. Copyright and IP law needs a vast overhaul. Things like universal basic income and the socialization of risks we've never before been presented with (AI) need to be examined and implemented. Failure will come both from rushing into this future like a greed-blind fool AND from those attempting to resist the inevitable flow of progress. What will become the new commodity is pro-humanity. If done well, this can be a renaissance for music (and art overall), not its death. Problem is humans are so bad at recognizing and acting on the big picture.

@potoo6122 Ай бұрын

who pays for your basc universal income? No one will because no one will have jobs to pay tax. If you take copywrites away then anything you make is up for grabs and you cant make money off it, this is bascially communism in a nutshell and why places like China now have huge problems. It ends with one big bully taking everything and then it implodes.

@Darth_Bateman 2 ай бұрын

Drake literally tried using this shit too.

@johnTheWetOneWetton 2 ай бұрын

Wake up babe, new Is it Prog? video just dropped

@progrock 2 ай бұрын

A year and a half is a pretty decent nap, I think!

@koketsok1513 2 ай бұрын

whenever I come across ai audio clips(I refuse to call it music) I feel robbed,the time I spent on that clip I could have been listening to another real human being who put their soul in their work,as Ai work flood the market I see the internet becoming more walled as I would pay serious money to not have to guess the media I am listening,watching etc is machine generated,which sucks as it cuts down the free internet ethos that allows indie artists and amateurs to thrive.I also refuse to listen to any music with ai images(not art) it just puts a bad taste in my mouth

@f4ust85 9 күн бұрын

For every person like you only using generators to "previsualize or practice before recording your own voice" theres a 100 people that generate the whole song, image or design without hesitation, especially on corporate level where it matters. This is really like saying that I support the petroleum industry to use gas in my lawn mower in my garden but something certainly should be done to reduce the amount of cars globally.

@progrock 8 күн бұрын

I really think that if it's use could be constrained to that sort of thing, it wouldn't be an issue. That's what I was trying to get at with that portion. Unfortunately, it is not and really cannot be (as you said). It would be best, in my view, for none of it to exists. But it does, and so it should be addressed, and the most effective level to address it on would be the corporate level. I guess I should also mention that I don't often do the "previsualization" thing that I mentioned in the video. In searching for potential use-cases for the technology it is one of the things that I have tried, which also helped me to better understand the way that it works so I could form an informed opinion on the subject. To your last point, I don't actually see any sort of contradicton there. Yes, the vastly larger aspects of a problem should be addressed before the minute ones.

@f4ust85 7 күн бұрын

@@progrock I understand your point but I think when facing such dangerous paradigm shift, one should simply refuse and totally revoke this phenomenon altogether rather than compromise and experiment with limited usage that will never be respected by the absolute majority of the people - that only leads to normalisation and gradual adoption, its all salami slicing tactics starting with "previsualisations", sketches, tests and moodboards, then "less important" applications and social media "content", and before you know it, all we are waiting for is an update with slightly higher resolution or quality that would let us print this or billboards, play it in cinemas and on radios. To me it is not a technical limitation or an issue of flawed musical harmony, its a deeply troubled and cursed technology on an almost ontological level and I want nothing to do with it.

@CalebMcmahen-eu5fn 5 күн бұрын

I as a musical artist and producer will always be me not Ai. I'm always genuine

@alcinousmusic Ай бұрын

As a lofi artist, I fear my genre will be the first domino to fall. All we can do is hope Spotify bans AI music before us small artists are decimated! Cheers everyone

@marcusp5345 2 ай бұрын

When I can afford a real artist I will hire one. Until then, AI raises the production value of my music releases for a price I can afford. If Ai did not exist I would still be taking a DIY approach to album art because I still would not be able to afford a real artist. AI generated music will serve the same function for others. If they can’t afford a production, they will reach to what they can afford.

@MADSLAYER47 Ай бұрын

they said the same shit about cgi and digital art...

@Fear2Stop 2 ай бұрын

I use AI art for album covers but I either use a prompt based on a song lyric we’ve done, or use predictive text on my phone to do a random prompt , and then write an entire song based on the resulting image As far as the music goes, we have not and will never use AI. Hell, I rarely ever use synth presets , preferring to design my own patches! Now on the topic of Spotify… no surprise there. This is the same platform that was outed for using fake artists on their editorial playlists to avoid paying royalties to human artists

@Trentstone121 2 ай бұрын

Than your album covers are stolen art.

@majoraslayer64 2 ай бұрын

God I can't stand art snobs. It's such an elitist club. It's wild that they claim art and music as a form of self-expression, when all those obsessed with it do is gatekeep what way everyone is allowed to express it with. AI is an instrument. Botting is "scammy" because it's a disingenuous way to get engagement, but otherwise using a new tool to express oneself and sharing it is not a scam. Manipulating the system by mass producing this stuff and botting it is shady, but just sharing something you worked on with AI isn't a "scam" or "fraud".

@cottoo1 2 ай бұрын

You are just scamming yourself thinking you made it 😂

@x7cj87 2 ай бұрын

Evolve or Dissolve.. The only people I hear upset about the evolution of music industry is those that haven't untied their ego from their work. Your ego gets in the way because you want recognition and that ego stroke of people and fans saying I love you, your awesome, your music is the best etc... Just do the job, put in your creative efforts, finish the tune and move on to the next one. Don't attach yourself so closely to the work that your emotionally affected by the results of it. Just do the work and move on! If your using AI in the creative process, good for you! There was once a time milkmen and ice delivery drivers were on the chopping block too.. Evolve or Dissolve

@swojnowski453 2 ай бұрын

No, there is no uniqueness in digital. it is a branch that leads to a single point and as it does it becomes more and more fragile. It rides towards the edge of chaos.. To survive you need to detach from it ... or you will go down with it. There is no future for humans in digitally optimized world because it is not our world.

@arisumego 2 ай бұрын

14:51 this is not really true lol

@edwardserfontein4126 2 ай бұрын

It's hilarious how AI is out here trying to win a singing contest while it should be in the lab finding a cure for cancer. I can't wait for the whole media to be flooded with this mediocre AI crap so people can wake up and smell the coffee and run back to real creative people whose music and art has inspired millions of people over decades. You can't fake the human spirit.

@user-qd9in7gx3l Күн бұрын

Listen to hansons’ mmmbop reversed. Clearly dolly parton ai. ALOT of female country music had been dolly parton ai, most likely even dolly parton herselves

@TheMasterOfShadows Ай бұрын

Spotify makes money from advertisements and reinvestments into stock buybacks. They don't give a damn who listens, or who makes the music, or how good the music is. They only care that those advertisements get seen by real people, or if the advertisement company is happy with it's results. Bots, subscribers, or artists can go to shiz. Your extreme bias on a subject of AI music is distasteful, you seem to like it, then hate it, then like it. Major fence sitter. AI art, AI music are tools nothing more. Crap music wont be listened to and it will be filtered out by the listener. But AI only creates what is prompted. Just like guns only shoot when someone pulls the trigger. I have made some AI music and i've been a graphics artist for many many years. I can use AI art but I still have to bring it into Photoshop to correct colors, fingers, toes, teeth, eyes, blushing, textures. It's far from perfect. Same thing with AI music, I have to fix pitch, loudness, massive pauses, out of time snyc, tempo, vocal distortions. Making the song with AI with my own lyrics takes hours because of understanding of the pronounced vocals of the AI, you have to edit, change, rewrite many many times. To make a good song i've spent hours writing, editing changing and that takes many charges in which you could spend a fortune in making a good song through AI. You seem not very knowledgeable to be making a biased video like this.

@progrock Ай бұрын

So am I extremely biased against it or a fence sitter? I'm also a "graphic artist" and musician and have played with stable diffusion models and music ai since they were first available - it's super easy to make the corrections that you're talking about, and I think deep down you probably know that. As a tool, AI can compensate for a lack of skill (allowing people to pretend that they're artists and musicians, when at best they're "writers" of prompts) - positive AI tools can help speed up and cut out parts of a workflow that are overly time consuming. As for Spotifys model, which was intended to be the focus of this video so my personal feelings about other aspects of AI were glossed over, advertisers do care about whether or not they are having their advertisements served to bots (as you say) - if there is a major botting problem and no one is converting to their sites they will stop advertising. AI music scams are making this problem worse. Spotify also makes money on its subscriptions (which you didn't mention) - It is a personal feeling, but a sentiment echoes by thousands and thousands of people, that consumers will reject AI art and music due to it being anti-human and bereft of creativity. Look at how much interest Cara garnered so quickly. I don't know what would lead you to think I'm ill informed about the subject. I simply have a different outlook on it than you do. And not trying to be personally insulting, but I would be genuinely surprised if you have more experience with it that I do, I understand it's use as a "tool", and considered it the same way at first. But upon reflection and more exposure to it, it is being used by most as a replacement for the creative process, and nearly every person who strongly defends it is an unskilled failed creative, or a scam artist or tech-finance bro who believes that they can get rich quick off of it. Hopefully that is a strong enough position to get me "off the fence", since trying to present a nuanced look at different sides of the issue didn't do it for you.

@jimmyriddle3899 2 ай бұрын

AI generated music is for the bots. So give it to them. Major streaming services like Spotify need to curate the content they provide to separate bot music from human music.

@unboxinglife2308 2 ай бұрын

What’s wrong with saving a band money?

@swojnowski453 2 ай бұрын

if the band creates music with AI it is not a band ...

@codalite Ай бұрын

I totally agree with you on the covers and possible connections with artists. I even have a friend who I discussed with who would be totally down to just draw some art together as just a cool activity together. I do make music with SunoAI, however, at the moment I only make it for the sake of making it. Some songs did get relatively popular on my KZfaq and people are asking for Spotify and SoundCloud for them so that they can listen to it. I put a good amount of effort into lyrics and various practice of AI music flow to try to make something that still sounds unique. However, I do agree that this botting and mass upload issue needs to somehow get looked at. Great video overall, I wasn't even aware of these issues.

@progrock Ай бұрын

I think that making the songs just for the sake of making them is totally cool! I have some non-musician friends who enjoy making funny songs to share with their friends, and I think that that is great. For me, it's when it crosses over into a territory where it's impeding artists who have worked their whole lives towards the goal of doing art for a living that it becomes morally reprehensible, and especially when these kind of scam tactics are being used.

@user-eq7yb6te4p 2 ай бұрын

RIP Spotify 😭😢

@swojnowski453 2 ай бұрын

For me it never existed, both that and Amazon. I do not think I have lost anything due to that ...

@blurtam188 2 ай бұрын

Dude, it's over LOL

@swojnowski453 2 ай бұрын

no, it is not over, disconnect and build stuff you want. AI is the mainstream, humans are no mainstream, we are all unique, AI takes everything that's unique and spits out the average. Without human input it is dead. It is completely dependent on human creativity like a vampire on human blood ...

@BurgundyKRO 2 ай бұрын

This is infuriating.

@beautifulcaramelman 2 ай бұрын

Anti human? Rocco's basilisk much?

@progrock 2 ай бұрын

I'm sure it'll be coming for me any day now

@markriva4259 2 ай бұрын

Great message, but delivered so monotone and without an ounce of outrage. I can't help but feel your music is exactly the same.

@progrock 2 ай бұрын

Sorry, normally the videos on my channel are straightforward and informational documentaries on prog bands. I'm not really a great voiceover guy, so I understand how you feel about that. I do sing in the band if you want to test that theory out though, I've never had anyone say it's emotionless or monotone so I'd genuinely be interested in how it compares to your expectations based on my speaking voice.

@seva-m 2 ай бұрын

you make it sound so easy - have you tried popularizing a crappy track on Spotify? it's incredibly hard to pull a trick like that - to make a bad AI track popular, you'd have to put so much effort into it, it's not even worth it. except for using bots - which has been punisheable forever, that's why spotify doesn't see any issues with it. if it's a good AI track - whatever, let the owner of it make the money. AI raises the bar for musicians, and it's good.

@seva-m 2 ай бұрын

btw, to make the use of bots meaningful for a user, they'd have to breakeven - which they won't. if it was the case, people selling those bots would just use it themselves, non-stop, getting infinitely rich of the streaming services. the truth is they won't get paid, no matter how big the number of streams is.

@progrock 2 ай бұрын

I definitely agree, it takes a lot of effort, luck, or being directly connected to a bot farm for it to be profitable. But it's a fact that people are doing it anyway, and being convinced through these KZfaq tutorials that it's a "get rich quick" scheme. That's part of why it's so corrosive to the platform. The ones that are most "successful" on the platform, and have tricked the algorithm into recommending them aren't the best sounding - they're actually brutally horrible, and I know no one is willingly listening to them because you can find the same tracks on other platforms with zero plays. I have a list of these, so I know that there are a good amount of these that have gotten successful, I don't think it'd be all that hard for someone with the resources (getting the resources would be prohibitive for some average person trying to run this in the same way) There's part of me that also agrees with your idea that it "raises the bar" for musicians, because it adds competition into the market, but at the same time the bar that it's raising is mostly in marketing music. I've seen so many great bands not be able to get a foothold because they've put everything into becoming good musicians, and don't have a clue about how to get it in front of people. For the ai people, all of the "burden" of musicianship is taken away (I believe the ultimately meaningful part) and the marketing and "business" aspects are really all there is left.

@seva-m 2 ай бұрын

@@progrock I get your point. It's good to have a discussion with someone who actually goes through the same struggles. On the last point, the musicianship - I think it's been like that for a while already, unfortunately. Seen too many talents playing on the street, and remember someone saying that if Mozart would be born in this century, his compositions would drown unnoticed in the ocean of crap people upload

@Trentstone121 2 ай бұрын

Just let it run it's course. Real music will always exist but AI music isn't going anywhere because it's dead easy and cheap to produce. Why do you think 99.9% of all modern pop is so bad? Yet it sells. AI music will replace modern pop and some shitty rock bands might go along for the ride with them, but real artists will always exist and finding them has always been part of the fun! Go explore!

@swojnowski453 2 ай бұрын

Real music already existed, it ended in 2022. Fortunately there is enough of it to never bother with anything more ...

@progrock 2 ай бұрын

The music of the past is beautiful and important, you could definitely spend your whole life exploring it and never get bored. However, the tradition of musical experimentation and setting to music the human experience is one of the deepest forms of communication. Letting it die (which I don't think you're really suggesting) is a terrible mistake. It's a living, adapting thing that is always revealing new ways of looking at things and lending emotion resonance to the current state of mankind, society, and the most personal aspects of life. AI may be something like poetry set to essentially random chords and melodies, but the musical aspect of the equation is meaningless without a knowledgeable sculptor of sound to orchestrate it.