Just bought a paperback copy, thanks for putting that together!

@@lierxagerate Thanks for buying it!

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@@iammrbeat a picture of Russell does exist en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:John_Russell_(prohibitionist).png

@@draildandfriends2243 yes

Glennandrews I would think they could unite behind Horace, and his vice presidential pick Benjamin Gratz Brown would probably succeed him since that’s how Andrew Johnson became president after Abe Lincoln was assassinated.

There's actually a very good chance that Greeley never would have died had he not lost the election. He dealt with the death of his wife, the election loss, and, as a consequence for the souring of his public image through his campaign and defeat, several high ranking members of his newspaper launched a coup against him, all in very quick succession. Because of this, he fell into a deep depression that dramatically worsened his health. It is also speculated that the medicine given to him by the doctors at the time to help him actually made his physical condition even worse. It's not really known what exactly his cause of death was, but there is a very good chance that every voter who chose Grant in this election indirectly voted to kill a man.

@@akorn9943 damn man. Well... Do you think that Grant should have been reelected?

@@deiansalazar140 Yes

“Okay, uhh...” *Whispers to person next to him* “Do I really have to swear in a corpse?”

That had to be the most Vice Presidential anecdote I’ve ever heard

How many ordinary people (who are not political junkies, et al) would recognize the CURRENT VP in such a situation?

@@bonghunezhou5051 Kamala Harris is not hard to distinguish, though.

@@darkscorpion-donzaloog Maybe because she is the first woman of color as VP

@@jrowletand the first woman vice president!

Ha cool

fun facts from the first president

👍

Oh ok

How are you still alive

So that’s where the GOP name came from

I’ve always wondered that?

i always wondered what gop meant

I don't think that is true. The term "Grand Old Party" or "Gallant Old Party" was beginning to be used as a nickname for the Republican party in the mid-1870s. "Gallant Old Party", in particular, was used in reference to the successful defense of the Union by a Republican leader during the civil war. There is no record of this term being used in reference to the democratic party. The first record of the "GOP" abbreviation is from 1884.

Here is an 1862 speech by Congressman Vallandigham (D-Ohio): "If they meant that I am a Democrat, devoted to the principles and policy, and faithful to the organization of that grand old party.." You can find hundreds of 19th century references in the online newspaper collection at the Library of Congress. I found a reference to the Democrats as the grand old party dated January 24, 1867. As far as "Gallant Old Party" goes, that was once a reference to the Democrats as well. In 1851, the Dems were using it to refer to themselves at the Ohio state convention.

What?! How do you know that?

Back when blacks voted for Rs in overwhelming numbers (before Ds started buying their votes with welfare and CRT and wokeness and reverse racism).

Very interesting alt-history scenario even though it would have ended the same way

Yeah

Everyone who supports Brexit is that old

@@hayden-ln1li butthurt

Mitch yes

@@hayden-ln1li agreed

LMBO

You have an awesome name.

Smart move to switching it up to _Dave_ Davis ;)

That was nothing compared to what your sister, Mavis, had to put up with

@@evo5dave Believe it or NOT I had a half aunt named Mavis.

@@HVACSoldier Haha!

This isn't even the last time he had to do that in this series, which is weird to think about somehow

grant was nice ideologically, but as president, he struggled tbh

How about John St. John

@@K.C.-Gamesand his mustache

That's what I always thought of his opponent always look like Benjamin Franklin

+siamiam Pretty crazy. Pretty, pretty crazy.

The best neckbeard in American history.

Mr. Beat no Lincoln’s was better

@@theweirdestsmartchannel1842 Lincoln's beard was more of a typical beard than a neck beard.

@RYLE SALUNGA nah that’s teddy

The best beard has to be that of Rutherford B. Hayes.

+Harry Christofi Thanks Harry!

It's not only possible, but likely, considering the youngest frontrunner (Trump) is *73*

Yeah, Biden will be in his 80s by the end of his term (if he even wins)

@@Dirtrock-or3ry I still would not be surprised if Trump is dead by the end of Biden's first term

@Mouth Eater What about Biden? He is 4 years older than trump with dementia...

Biden and Trump are old as dust. I hope that 2024 will have significantly younger candidates, maybe someone in their 40s.

They would have United under one person if he won

+Political Junkie News A lot of dudes did at this time!

This was the period where the two party ideologies began to switch identities. If you are interested in the change, start researching from Grant's Presidency. Interesting.

Ds actually control big business now (corporations have gone woke and controlled by woke corporate executives who do woke marketing and support the liberals on social issues like Disney in Florida), and Ds control Big Media, Big Tech, Hollywood, and entertainment.

Except for Teddy Roosevelt and Taft

@@schroederscurrentevents3844 Even then, Wilson wanted more regulation than both, and Roosevelt was accused by Democrats of stealing their issues.

@@denisebetteridge-johnson647I would say it is more that the Democrats finally settled back into their original role while the Republicans ultimately filled the void left behind by the Whigs as the realignment over the issues around the Civil War Era stated to break down due to those debates effectively being resolved. The old dynamic is unambiguously reasserting itself by the 1896 presidential electron between William McKinley and William Jennings Bryan at least but the process is arguably not fully completed until the rise of the New Deal Coalition.

I wondered the same thing.

Colfax would finish Grant's first term as president but the question is about the second term, for which he was elected in 1872. Would the votes go for Wilson? Interesting enough is that Henry Wilson died in office as VP, so he would never complete all four years as president anyway...

The electoral college would have voted anyway, but the voters for Grant would have been free to vote for whomever they want. If no candidate gets a majority of the electoral college, it goes to the house. It would have been more complicated if Grant died between the electoral college vote and inauguration since I don't think the Vice-President elected would have become President automatically until the twentieth Amendment. Maybe they would have inaugurated the Vice-President then immediately inaugurated him as President.

Now you hear a different term for liberal Republicans: RINOs.

It's honestly not that surprising. America has had a long history as a birthplace of radical new ideas and philosophies. Around the time of the Revolutionary War, the Society of Universal Friends was founded: a Quaker offshoot quasi-socialist religious commune led by a non-binary preacher who claimed to have died as a woman and become the genderless reincarnation of Jesus Christ. The Friends were very egalitarian, women held prominent positions of power, it was particularly attractive to single women - again, this was in 1776. And while this was very notable, it wasn't entirely out of keeping with the culture of the US at the time. There were a fair few new religious denominations at the time that re-examined the role of (almost always white, admittedly) women in society in pretty radical ways. Also, this is a bit of a nitpick, but the UK doesn't choose its government leaders the way the US does - you vote for the party, not a candidate for the head of government, and the head of the main party that forms the government (who is elected by the party, not the people) becomes the new head of government. So whether the UK elects a black Prime Minister or not isn't entirely up to the voters.

@@Talisguy That last bit is something I hate about my nation's government. As far as I know, we Brits ended slavery at least 30 years before America did. We are also radical in our own ways, we actually have a popular socialist political party and we have had three female PMs, (Don't judge me but when it came to how effective they were, only the second one seemed mildly good)

@@mattthesilent777RED I thought you might be American, my bad. I'm not American either, for the record, I'm Scottish. Also...yeah, the UK did end slavery (at least at home, not in its colonies) sixty or so years ahead of the US, but the political class (and thus access to elected office) was so much more stratified by class in the UK at the time than it was in the US that a black man could never have been a contender for Prime Minister in 19th-century Britain. Several POTUSes were literally born in log cabins, dirt poor, and I could never imagine that happening in Britain because the political establishment is so dominated by upper class Eton dipshits (not that I could imagine someone becoming President after being born dirt poor in the modern US, either,) and that tends to mean people who come from money, and that just... wasn't the case for many black British people at the time. You did get one or two cases of the biracial sons of slave-owning aristocrats becoming MPs, but that was basically it. Whereas in the US, you had former slaves serving in Congress and the Senate around this time (they all represented the South, to add to the unexpected). A black man actually becoming president at this time would have been highly unlikely, but a black presidential nominee during Reconstruction? More likely than you'd think. ...Certainly much more likely than the idea would become between the end of Reconstruction and the Civil Rights Act, sadly.

+Time 4 history Thanks! :D

Indeed, it was the last election where we did not get Rs and Ds facing off. Ds sat out and got behind Liberal Rs and Rs nominated Grant. We have had Ds and Rs in presidential elections without fail ever since (and some third parties that never win).

Probably not because he wasn't the nominee of the democratic party, he was running for it.

At the convention most of Robert Kennedy's delegates went to George McGovern, while the rest voted for Eugene McCarthy.

Technically not because they were finishing the primaries, and he wasn’t nominated

I don't think I'm at the end though despite how many episodes I have seen.

That has happened when people get elected to Congress but die before the new Congress convenes. Luke Letlow died of COVID after his election but before his inauguration (his wife Julia got elected in a special election to fill his US House seat).

You got a point

Nope. That was 2016.

@@iammrbeat oh

@@iammrbeat I'm pretty sure this one had more, 2016 had 10 and this one had 63 (the electors were pledged to vote for Greeley even if he was dead, only 3 of them actually did even though said votes were rejected for doing so)

I'm guessing that 71 percent was out of the eligible population.

Even with the 25th amendment in place theres still no answer to this question. I guess the electoral college would just vote the way they wanted (like they did with greely electoral votes anyways) but im guesssing the pressure would be on to elect the vice president elect

Maybe the Greeley vice president would have been president or Thomas Hendricks because Greeley votes shifted to him.

Yes. Vegetarianism was uncommon and continued to be until the 70s. It was viewed as strange back then.

Michael Weiske I understand your point and I knew that before, I just didn’t think they would judge someone in politics back then for being vegetarian. I’m vegan myself anyway.

Socialist was not as Radical of an idea back then, in fact Moderate Republican savior Abraham Lincoln was pen pals with Karl Marx. The Liberal Republican party was grasping at straws with Greeley, really. I doubt they actually adhered to Liberalism considering their closeness to the Democratic Party, which was itself an amalgimation of Libertarianism, Liberalism, Social Democracy and Social Conservatism. Idk though, Greeley could've just been a Social Democrat and not an actual Socialist, Socialism and Liberalism do not exactly go well together..

@@moontruther7519 When I asked this I knew a lot less about the history of socialism. One of the most popular brands of socialism especially in the US was individualist socialism, and that distinctly adhered to the classical liberal idea. So did Proudhons socialism, and in certain aspects, Marx’s socialism. Lincoln never personally wrote to Marx but the Marx wrote to his office on behalf of the First International and his office sent a favorable reply. Marx was a protesting hero of the movement to keep Britain from joining the confederacy, and gathering support for the Unions. Marx and Engels were also editors of the Republican party’s main newspapers first international publishing office in London. And the Labor theory of value, which was seen as common sense morality, and the moral credit of liberalism, since Smith created it as a benefit of the market system under his belief Liberalism entailed perfect freedom, which would naturally by human nature cause perfect equality through the equitable skills and capacity of humans given equitable means. Of course the capitalist critique is pointing out the system that came about following mercantilism was not Smiths liberalism, and the labor theory of value is not fulfilled for that reason.

One of the recent ones did too I think.

He won’t have an “after Presidency”