Really appreciate the work Prof. Begun and his colleagues are doing. Must take the patience of angels to find and process the fossils and a scientific mind to match. Thank you all.
@zacharylehocki10 ай бұрын
I grew up with the idea human origins began in Africa but I`m willing to accept we could've started in Europe instead. Either way our human family tree still started as just One ancestral population and that`s what`s really important to me.
@whiskeytango976910 ай бұрын
Humans, genus Homo, definitely started in Africa. That would go back only 2-3 million years. Apes, on the other hand, have been around some 20 million years. Where they originated is an entirely separate question.
@EvolutionSoup10 ай бұрын
At 31:37 we talk about the human lineage :-)
@zacharylehocki10 ай бұрын
@@EvolutionSoup Opps! must`ve missed that part to be fair it was late at night when I watched this!
@godofthisshit10 ай бұрын
Humans originated in Africa.
@vikingskuld10 ай бұрын
@@godofthisshitsorry but they don't know that at all. Most of the so called human ancestors are not any where near human. In fact the picks of Lucy walking upright with human eyes are just that ART WORK no more real then Harry potters basilisk lol. The dna doesn't give any proof to comman ancestry in fact it actually proves against it. There are 1.2 million more pairs of dna in humans then chimps. Which is far to many for mutation and natural selection to give us chimps and humans from a common ancestry. That's the bad thing about academia these days they love to exaggerate and hype things. Grant money pays the bills and allows for research which your not going to get if you say oh look I found a monkey or an ape... if you say I found a possible human ancestor though it's a big difference. So just take these guys with a ton of salt and skeptical mindset with careful reading or listening of what they say. Then you will see how much is guess and how much is fact.
@kaarlimakela341310 ай бұрын
You just answered about 47 questions I've been harboring in the back of my mind for many decades. 😊
@vikingskuld9 ай бұрын
Well did he answer these 2 questions. Name the mechanism and give one example of each. How an organism gains new never before seen genetic information and name one bennificial mutations and example without a loss of information in the genes. Lol you see this is a huge problem for evolution they can't do either. We see copying of existing genes and broken genes with a loss of genetic fitness. Those 2 thongs totally disproves evolution. You can look up the fruit fly experiment. We get fruit flies and dead fruit flies nothing new or different. Soft tissue in dino bones has been found in over 120 different bones now. Ranging from a supposed 65 million to 500 million years old. The protiens they have found in the soft tissue proves beyond a doubt they are not even a million years old. So academia has a lot of misinformation to account for
@NuisanceMan9 күн бұрын
List them.
@srdjandobrota28649 ай бұрын
Anatolya, were fosil were found, a part of today Turkey, is not in Europe, just for the record.
@joebanks95298 ай бұрын
Like with Ukraine recently.
@bryansmith2479Ай бұрын
Turkey is european also
@srdjandobrota2864Ай бұрын
@@bryansmith2479 Only very small part, but Anatolya where they found fosils are not Europe.
@vegasflyboy6710 ай бұрын
I believe our understanding of human evolution is going to continue to grow and evolve. Starting from a linear perspective in Darwins time, to a branching tree, and finally to a complex bush of interbreeding and migration.
@JohnEglick-oz6cd10 ай бұрын
Darwin's theory of Survival of the fittest in full implement , of logically course !
@vikingskuld10 ай бұрын
Hey Sorry guys Darwin is dead his theory was just bad. There is no proof and genetics and the fossil record don't support his idea. Its just a sad shame they keep pushing this bad idea eventually they will revise it and come up with something else.
@terranbiped835810 ай бұрын
How about an intelligent designer from Alpha Centuri or from your imagination?
@vegasflyboy6710 ай бұрын
@terranbiped8358 We can take bong hits and amuse ourselves all day with what if. All aliens do is complicate the question. Now you need to explain how the aliens came about unless, of course, you have evidence.
@JohnEglick-oz6cd10 ай бұрын
@@terranbiped8358 Human imagination ? Could be dangerous .
@larryparis92510 ай бұрын
What a great episode. Prof. Begun is wonderful to listen to. Thank you for another fine episode. Loved the title of "The Ancestors of Our Ancestors", alluded to at 31:50 . Again, many thanks.
@EvolutionSoup10 ай бұрын
Thank you-- it was how David described the apes in this hypothesis, though he also calls them 'the ancestors of our last common ancestor' (a slightly less catchy title!)
@combinedeffects47998 ай бұрын
The greatest hoax theory continues to strut the halls of academia.
@larryparis9258 ай бұрын
@@combinedeffects4799 The greatest hoax is monotheism: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. The three evils of humanity.
@combinedeffects47998 ай бұрын
@@larryparis925 maybe Islam is evil like your beloved atheism - as they are just as murderous and brutal - All you have is micro variations - trying to extrapolate into that BS macro crap is for the naive . Time of the gaps plus Chance of the gaps plus some wild imagination and your hoax theory gets to strut like a peacock in the Biology classroom.
@claraveras507010 ай бұрын
This channel needs to get more subscribers! Great content! Well done!
@user-lx9iz4ue7y10 ай бұрын
Because more & more people are not buying into a theory passed off as fact. There is more evidence in creation than just a happy accident that produced life. A fool studies creation without acknowledging a creator. The opposite should occur, the study of creation should bring you to the conclusion that there is a creator. Higher education in this world is knowledge without wisdom.
@LadyLeda210 ай бұрын
@@user-lx9iz4ue7y You must be one of those christian right people from America. A fool like you studies creation by acknowledging a creator. We are not fools because we study evolution not creation.
@rdrunnerxx9 ай бұрын
Based on your theory then who created the creator?@@user-lx9iz4ue7y
@fransinhooo9 ай бұрын
By the way H stand as what? So you have been "created" but decided to be invisible.lol
@user-lx9iz4ue7y9 ай бұрын
Is your first language, English? You sound like you are lacking the mastery of English.@@fransinhooo
@jamesabernethy789610 ай бұрын
Terrific video again. I've said this before, if find these videos are well-structured but you also allow your guest to present things at their own pace. The segmented chapters in on the time bar is also very handy. I have heard of this theory before but it was great to go into the specifics. What surprised me most was how much emphasis was put in the roots of the teeth. Teeth obviously change with evolution and can say so much about the habits of a species as well as the health of an individual. When you think about the importance of teeth, your entire thought is based on the 'business end' of the tooth rather than where and how it is anchored. It might seem small but very interesting.
@easylivingsherpa10 ай бұрын
To stay an atheist, You would have to believe that nothing produces everything; non-life produces life; randomness produces fine-tuning; chaos produces information; unconsciousness produces consciousness; and non-reason produces reason. Your leap of faith is a religion built on blind faith.
@assininecomment163010 ай бұрын
Huh? You're both dumbing-down _and_ misrepresenting huge fields of scientific research @@easylivingsherpa. Have you also assumed that further research isn't being conducted? It looks like you're oblivious of the fact, that the scientific process specifically requires scientists to actively question and test our ideas, theories and discoveries. All of this demonstrates why science is fundamentally different to the "blind faith" you accuse it of - much less, being a religion itself.
@easylivingsherpa10 ай бұрын
@@assininecomment1630 And we can dispense the lie that theists are too dumb to understand evolution because I own 35 books on evolution and have downloaded and read 50 more from Google books. I dont need to go to any creationist website for my information because evolutionists give me all of the ammo that I need to show them that what they believe is wrought with errors and requires faith to believe in it. They call that faith, something you evolutionists have no shortage of. What we want is something from the scientific method proving evolution. Give us something observable for Darwinian evolution and shut us up once and for all. Or dont you have anything observable taken from the claptrap you call evolution. Thats not a rhetorical question because we know that you dont. Now comes the weepy sonnet where you give us bacteria turning into bacteria, no mutations ever showing an addition of positive information, adaptation, and a host of other scientific facts to replace your lack of any proof.And no a thousand pissed off fruit flies wont work either. I want something observable. Something where one species has changed into another because thats what evolution is all about anyway. And attach it to the hip of the scientific method. If all youve got is a big fat zero then thats all that your opinions are worth. To reiterate I asked for observable evidence for Darwinian evolution and not faith in the unobserved. You cant tell if a fossil had any kids let alone morphed into a separate species. You fools have no proof for this religion that you call evolution.Thats why its flailing like a dying animal taking its last breath.
@ferengiprofiteer914510 ай бұрын
@@assininecomment1630 I agree. Atheists can't refute any point he made but cling to the blind faith that their discoveries don't reveal God's work.
@caseyjude54729 ай бұрын
@@assininecomment1630They believe the earth is 6000 years old, women have one less rib than men & donkeys speak Hebrew. It’s a waste of time to explain. Unfortunately, one can’t explain something to someone who doesn’t want to know anything.
@JDUK7110 ай бұрын
Well my latest hypothesis is that we all originally came from the sea, so we're all evolved fish. So lets have no more arguments over Africa, Europe, Black, White, monkeys or apes or whatever else. We're all fish guys so just chill the fuck out okay!
@kinglyzard10 ай бұрын
Our inner fish❤
@vikingskuld10 ай бұрын
I have to ask show me the mechanism for an organism to gain new information it never had before? Just one example and do your home work I don't want to hear of a copy of already existing genes I want the mechanism for change the evolution of the organism how can it get new never before had information. Decent with modification doesn't cut it either you have thousands of pairs of rna not to mention dna that all have to be almost perfect to function correctly so you can't get that mechanism that way either. It's their already existing and bad info. You can try to point out a bennificial mutation but I haven't seen one yet that doesn't come with the lack of function of a gene or genetic degradation that turns out to be more harmful then bennificial. So thank you I'm not trying to be rude just pointing out major flaws in this bad idea
@terranbiped835810 ай бұрын
@@vikingskuld Your understanding of genetics is abysmal.
@JDUK7110 ай бұрын
@@vikingskuld What's that got to do with fish?
@vikingskuld10 ай бұрын
@@JDUK71 not a lot I'm just poking holes in the really bad idea that Darwins evolution is an actual scientific fact. There is no mechanism for an organism to gain new never before had genes or information. The organisms dna can degrade or it can copy its own information but there isn't a way for it to gain new info so nothing can evolve like they say. It doesn't happen. They don't have historical proof of it and noone has seen it happen so the change they say it takes to evolve isn't possible. Not once have I heard of or found an example for it. That's all I'm doing. I'm in no way trying to be rude to you or anything like that and I apologize if I may have come accross that way.
@retropian10 ай бұрын
I recall learning of this possibility more that twenty yrs ago as an anthro undergrad. It may also be a result of an incomplete and very scant African fossil record, which may be due to preservation bias and also lack of research and paleo anthropology being conducted in parts of Africa due to political difficulties. It’s easier to excavate your own back yard as it were. My other concern is that racism was very overt and prevalent amongst European Paleoanthropologist’s in the early years of exploration. The idea of an African origin for Homo was an anathema. Many latched onto the idea that Homo had an Asian or European origin and only later migrated into Africa because the thought of African ancestry no matter how deep in the past for white Europeans was unacceptable. I can’t help but wonder if those who enthusiastically tout these findings don’t do so for the same reason even if it may be unconscious bias on their part. I’m just saying before one jumps on the bandwagon that the ancestors of Homo, or Homo itself migrated from Asia or Europe into Africa to question whether one has unconscious racist bias against an African origin. It may be the case that like many other Eurasian fauna, the ancestors of Homo migrated along with them into Africa. It’s also true that African faunal assemblages migrated into Eurasia as well and may have included early apes as well. I’m just saying proceed with caution and question if one is engaging in bias confirmation no matter how unconscious it may be and be aware there may be evidence some day from Africa that suggests an African origin after all.
@stompcity40859 ай бұрын
Exactly
@stompcity40859 ай бұрын
It looks like quackery, race-based quackery
@NotSoNormal19872 ай бұрын
I had a similar thought. Follow evidence, not bias. Whatever our origin is doesn't bother me. But we must remember to do good science.
@fuseblower812810 ай бұрын
So... this means we're all Germans? Joking aside : fascinating video. Tracing back our lineage by teeth fossils, especially our modest canine teeth. Good thing teeth can last for millions of years in the earth (though they can hardly manage a couple of decades in my mouth ;)
@PoetbyDay8 ай бұрын
uberhaupt
@Markhypnosis110 ай бұрын
A very apt surname for an expert on our origins. 🙂
@egaaronp9 ай бұрын
Thank goodness I've found a history channel with proper voices.
@zhubajie694010 ай бұрын
I wonder how Kenyapitcheus fits into this (I think the consensus is an African Ponginae circa 14 mya?)? Was this the fragmentary African species he was referring to?
@hoon_sol8 ай бұрын
A lot of Begun's hypothesis hinges on the assumption that there should have been fossil evidence for great apes in Africa at the time when he points out there's an absence of such, but I think this fails to properly account for how poorly fossilization occurs in the rainforest, which is where these apes would primarily live; and during the Miocene Climactic Optimum those rainforests would likely have extended far beyond their current range too. We didn't even have a chimpanzee fossil until just a couple of decades ago if I'm not mistaken.
@OceanusHelios11 күн бұрын
What are you talking about? Chimpanzees have been known about for many thousands of years. We don't need a chimpanzee fossil because we have.....chimpanzees.
@mysunnybird10 ай бұрын
Unfortunately, the people who don't understand evolution, are people who don't care about reading or watching this type of program, and on top of that, they believe in religion, they believe in god; many of them believe in (Adam and Eve and the talking snake) It is very sad.
@BbBb-vd2sj9 ай бұрын
@mysunnybird It's not sad for them. It's only sad to you. So... stop complaining. Mind your own business. It is how it is.
@edgein86329 ай бұрын
If you really understood evolution you would be embarrassed. The evolution we see is adaptation by mutations that degrade or break genes. Darwin’s finches have mutations on the XLM1 gene which degraded the growth of beaks. Nothing new created, evolution does not build it breaks. There is no evolution from a first simple cell.
@yvonnemarie579 ай бұрын
@@BbBb-vd2sj so if a person makes a comment on a video that is relevant to the video….he isn’t minding his own business? It looks to me like you aren’t minding YOUR own business. You sound like a nut case.
@vikingskuld9 ай бұрын
Well I have a question for you then. Give me the mechanism that allows new never before seen information in an organism. Not copies of its own... just one example and the mechanism. Also can you give me one example of a bennificial mutation that doesn't come with a loss of information to the organism?
@douglasmarshall25289 ай бұрын
😊😊
@FM-jo1jh8 ай бұрын
As a computer scientist I find this so amazing, my sister is what we call a bone digger in my family and my god I can listen and look through her "book" for days, makes you feel so small. I would love to meet our ancestors from millions of years ago, even 1 million!!
@raphmaster233 ай бұрын
You and me both 🙂❤️
@OceanusHelios11 күн бұрын
At first I would want to meet them too, until I realize what kind of mischief and mayhem these organisms would be known for. Getting into everything. Wrecking everything. Throwing poo. Ganging up on weaker creatures. Guerilla tactics indeed. Some would be nice if you had some fresh fruit for them. They would have sounds that sounded more like our speech. And we would think, "Wow these guys are pretty smart! For morons." LOL
@dreamerliteraryproductions942310 ай бұрын
Very interesting! Thank you for the fascinating interview!
@timhallas427510 ай бұрын
I believe that our direct ancestors were not one species, but a continuous coalition of several, or many species of homo. That means our linage could diverge into some African ape ancestors and some European ape ancestors. It seems logical, if not likely that our DNA has many roots.
@AlbertaGeek10 ай бұрын
Your belief is not supported by any science.
@BruceOBrien-dk3et10 ай бұрын
Since fossils are difficult to find, but not impossible to find - there is that possibility of fossils in both in Europe, Asia and Africia that do exist that have not been found yet.
@AWildBard10 ай бұрын
Excellent!
@teebagz110 ай бұрын
this is highly controversial. most anthropologists don't think the evidence points to Begun's hypothesis. they don't even bother disputing it for the most part.
@0150Tricia10 ай бұрын
What kind of foods were they able to eat? Grains, vegetables, grasses, what?
@bonerici10 ай бұрын
There was a variety of hominini and they didn't eat all the same things. He was mentioning a few fossils he figured might be homonim stem fossils
@HNH42110 ай бұрын
MARZ BARS
@JustinCaseWages10 ай бұрын
Thanks for that. Very informative!
@SlightlySusan10 ай бұрын
What do these finds do to the work of Spencer Wells, author of The Journey of Man: A Genetic Odyssey?
@RileyRampant10 ай бұрын
If there was a cooling/drying climate gradient pushing Eurasian mammals down thru the Levant into Africa, the fact that the stem-ape arose in Eurasia could account both for branching either outside or inside of Africa, or any permutation of branching history, I would expect. Pongo in SE Asia is the clearest evidence of Eurasian stem-ape origin.
@jay681710 ай бұрын
The Mediterranean Sea dried up because the Gibraltar gap closed up. 19:52
@Cats2Fat10 ай бұрын
Excellent ❤
@mikenine196210 ай бұрын
The Professor mentioned climate became drier think he said 13 million years ago but doesn't know why. Saw an astronomy video, suggesting the sun has an undulating orbit of the Milky Way Galaxy once every 220 million years, which in turn would probably affect the earths climate.
@RoninTF201110 ай бұрын
yeah sure....lol
@mikenine196210 ай бұрын
@@RoninTF2011 As long as I don't sound like a genius, you do though :) Humanity is not liked, eBook series 'Religion Separates Man From God.'
@eastafrica10208 ай бұрын
Brian Cox mentioned that in one of his lectures.
@assininecomment163010 ай бұрын
Sorry if this is a noob question.... 10:55 - When Prof. Begun says they have some good skeletons of _Rudapithecus H._ 10mya, are these fossilised or actual bone? I can't recall learning how long the fossilisation process generally takes, or if/what factors might drastically quicken or delay that process. FWIW, I've only stumbled across this channel in my diverse procrastinational wanderings around YewTyoob (while I should be finishing off the assessment paperwork of my own students 🙄). I find Begun's manner, excellent. He provides suffient details to advance a science nerd's knowledge, but generalised enough for it to make sense to people with little familiarity of the field. So, great work, fellas! 🙂👍
@EvolutionSoup10 ай бұрын
Welcome! The channel is for everyone - for casual curious and for the academic. The bones would definitely be fossilized (10K+ years for fossilization to occur). However, new techniques in proteomics may be able to bring forth information similar to DNA testing.
@user-qj5un7tr7f10 ай бұрын
Thank you.
@michaelniederer283110 ай бұрын
Stellar presentation. Thanks.
@CharlesNewkirk-lb6uh8 ай бұрын
Based on fossils, we're not out of Africa but migrated through Africa and then around the world. Isn't that amazing that fossils could prove scientific human evolution!
@AMC22835 ай бұрын
by all means, where did homo sapiens evolve?
@catherinegilbert87409 ай бұрын
I have a long-time interest in mammalogy from working in a Natural History Museum as an undergraduate. Even in the 70s researchers were aware that the fossil record indicated that the great apes originated in Europe. Great to see new studies to back this up.
It would be amusing if Hominins originated from the land now under the Mediterranean sea. And no I don't mean Atlantis.....
@theoldworldkitten10 ай бұрын
Oh yeah is that so???? i'll have you know life began in the sea and Atlantis may be the actual birth place humans and some mammals that may have ventured into africa as well. So y'know whut...
@user-ny7tn4qs9i6 ай бұрын
MU 😊
@Jurassic_Fart9 ай бұрын
Eurobros, we are so back
@OceanusHelios11 күн бұрын
Divergence driven by climate change and migration forced by climate change is the generally accepted paradigm. I fully agree, almost. What is being neglected is migration caused by society and behavior. If you have a creature that has a family structure or a "band" such as a chimpanzee or gorilla, and you also have things like long term memory and facial recognition, or recognition of individuals....you could have strife within a band or between bands of apes. This can induce migration because some are pushed out of areas and into less favorable areas. And it can domino as populations grow. As population growth accelerates and pushes bands into new regions, it can accelerate the divergence of species. It is very difficult to link evolution with behaviorial and societal factors because in now way can those kinds of things be recorded in a fossil layer. But I think it is worth stating that we know that society and behavior were also factors. At least, we should infer that. In terms of science it is a very squishy thing to do and speculate on. But if we are going to discuss early apes and hominids we shouldn't leave these factors out of the story. We also shouldn't try to write stories and narratives. My point is that climate and catastrophe are not the only factors in speciation. I've long thought that the destiny in evolutionary terms for any organism can be affected in small ways such as having a preference of one food type over another, or one nesting behavior over another, or one mate over another. Most mammals can recognize family from non family and I also think this has played a role in the specieation of mammals.
@kinglyzard10 ай бұрын
Where do the Hylobattids fit in? Before or after Akembo??
@marioduddu47110 ай бұрын
Very very interesting. Now can we hypothesize that Neanderthals and Denisovans independently evolved from European apes?
@ToumaitheMioceneApe10 ай бұрын
Well that would be a very ridiculous hypothesis since it goes against all the evidence we have right now.
@nomandad200010 ай бұрын
We have actual DNA from both, and they diverged from us recently
@eastafrica10208 ай бұрын
Was thinking the same thing. That's why Neanderthals were already in Europe when modern humans moved into Europe from Africa.
@ToumaitheMioceneApe8 ай бұрын
@@eastafrica1020 Neanderthals descend from a population of Homo heidelbergensis that left Africa before Homo sapiens did. That’s why Neanderthals were already in Europe and Denisovans were in Asia, because the share an African ancestor that would also give rise to Homo sapiens in Africa.
@themuckler81768 ай бұрын
@eastafrica1020 There was no "Out of Africa". It's a fairy tale
@nikossolounias401710 ай бұрын
I published these ideas of migrations from Europe to Africa in my "savanna myth" paper - Nikos Solounias
@pichan884110 ай бұрын
This is nothing to be shy about. Let your voice be heard, Professor Solounias! Why don't you put a link to your website in your comment. I reckon a scientist of your stature and renown would make a perfect guest on this channel, too!
@JeffHoldenWS-NC10 ай бұрын
So the ancestors of our ancestors evolved in Europe and Asia?
@bigred843810 ай бұрын
Gryphopethicus looks reminiscent of a Macaque without the tail.
@quetzalcoatlz8 ай бұрын
KZfaq has been outstanding, recommending me incredible up and coming channels!! All hail the only true/real God, the algorithm God!
@johnnybhoy427814 күн бұрын
Excellent episode as always!
@cjsmithdo10 ай бұрын
Fantastic. Thanks for the clear explanation
@djcuriosity66709 ай бұрын
Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science.". Charles Darwin
@micc64628 ай бұрын
Amazing stuff
@stephaniedye758010 ай бұрын
Interesting🎉
@gemthomas9 ай бұрын
How can these skeletal remains be attributes to humans ... Thats my biggest debate about the hypothesis...theres so many factora and even more x factors that cant be quantified ... How do we.know aome of these remains from Macedonia for example arent thr progenitors of modern orangutanga for example and not in our direct lineage
@rickmartin75969 ай бұрын
An accumulation of diagnostic characteristics will be the deciding factor.
@spacewaste24598 ай бұрын
DNA analysis
@gemthomas8 ай бұрын
@@spacewaste2459 DNA is not recorded and is basically impossible from fossils this old.
@vamorris631610 ай бұрын
You can find is theory in books written over 100 yrs ago. I’m currently reading a book from 1920 that stated this theory before him.
@show_me_your_kitties9 ай бұрын
What's the name of the book?
@vamorris63169 ай бұрын
@@show_me_your_kitties Gentilism religion before Christianity. So it just explains these theories are not new but rather ancient
@show_me_your_kitties9 ай бұрын
@@vamorris6316 All modern religions evolved from sun/sky watchers and worshipers of prehistory and ancient times. I'll look into the book. Thank you.
@nycgweed8 ай бұрын
You made the apes go through Egypt Levantine etc where they could have gone over through Spain if there was a land connection
@terryhunt26597 ай бұрын
He didn't "make" them: that's where the successively dated fossils have been found.
@jaysmith68638 ай бұрын
Instead of asking where is the evidence, he asks tell us a story. All good stories start with millions of years ago in a galaxy far far away.
@OceanusHelios11 күн бұрын
Yeah? How about that story with the talking snake in it? Magic apples? Absurd.
@jaysmith686311 күн бұрын
@@OceanusHelios The word snake doesn't appear anywhere in that story. Nor do magic apples. Study further
@miquelescribanoivars50495 ай бұрын
31:07 How does the sampling effort of Middle-Late Miocene Europe compare to that in Eastern Africa, though? I don't have the hard data, but I suspect its been much greater in the former.
@mihaskocir554410 ай бұрын
great
@marcpalco10 ай бұрын
at about 6:00 in the animation suggest that these apes populating Europe were knuckle-walkers...that is not wright!
@jamestodd232310 ай бұрын
I think these are just generic ape silhouettes
@HNH42110 ай бұрын
knuckle-walkers is so much moor likely than tightrope walkers -just saying
@evasartorius952810 ай бұрын
thank you
@OmegaWolf74710 ай бұрын
I guess that could be true. Just because we evolved in Africa doesn't mean all our ancestors were always there and never anywhere else.
@LuisAldamiz10 ай бұрын
Aren't all these new apes (Anadolius, Graechopithecus) too recent to be in our line? Sahelanthropus is already in our line, very clearly so (bipedal, human-like brain, already diverged from Pan) and is of roughly the same age 7-8 Ma. These are interesting but almost certainly a side branch rather, great apes must have already radiated by then. A cursory look at the paper suggests that these researchers are cherry-picking the evidence: where is Sahelanthropus in fig. 5? Where is Proconsul even?! This is sensationalism, not serious science!
@terryhunt26597 ай бұрын
He cites Sahelanthropus at 21:14, as coming after the European fossils already described: don't underestimate the very large time frames involved; a huge amount of evolution can occur within one million years, particularly for shorter-lived species - it's about generations, not absolute time spans.
@LuisAldamiz7 ай бұрын
@@terryhunt2659 - I missed that. Not sure if it is my bad or that he just glossed over it so fast and unremarkably (especially for such a key fossil, which is, not "arguably" the first of our line, after parting ways with chimps and bonobos) that I just didn't notice. Would he comment something more than a single sentence, I'd stand corrected, but, considering how fast he goes over it, I can't say so. A million years is a lot but Homo sp. has been around for longer than 2 Ma, and the Pan-Homo clade ("hominins"?) has probably been around for 10-20 Ma (credible estimates for the Pan-Homo split range from 8 to as much as 17 Ma). So maybe what we should underestimate is the difficulty for fossils to preserve in jungle conditions, which are the worst... but also the ones in which we should expect to find most of our ancestors and in general those of Primates.
@trogic392710 ай бұрын
Hypothesis.
@atheistbushman9 ай бұрын
Extremely interesting-I often wondered about the origins of orangutans, which in some aspects are more intelligent and human-like than chimps, exhibiting, for example, an apparent sense of humor
@I_only_think_of_me8 ай бұрын
Don’t blame our ignorance and stupidity on the ape.
@brendacooper57295 ай бұрын
Just out of curiosity, since I doubt all of the ancestral branches moved in and out of Africa at the same time, and since mega fauna was moving back and forth over the Beringia connection, did any of those ancestors make it into America? It would certainly explain many of the First Nations stories of giants and other non human humanoids, and the presence of really old really primitive tools, or possibly tools, at several American sites. Life forms adapt to conditions and quite possibly some of the apes would have adjusted to the changes rather than migrated away.
@OceanusHelios11 күн бұрын
Giants aren't real and never were. Also there are no talking snakes and there are no magic apples and there never were. You sound confused.
@vikingskuld9 ай бұрын
Can prof. B GIVE a mechanism to gain new never before seen information in an organism? Can he give an example of a bennificial mutation that doesnt comecat a loss of information and make the organism less fit then before? He tells a good story but thats all it seems to be is just a story with no proof.... im not trying to be rude this is a serious problem with evolution as we know it. Thanks for the video
@terryhunt26597 ай бұрын
No, it isn't. many such mutations come after genes, sometimes singly, sometimes in large groups, sometimes in entire chromosomes, sometimes in entire genomes, get duplicated (the last happens in plants _a lot_). When you have two copies of a gene doing the same thing, one can carry on doing it while the other can change through mutations to start doing something else, thus overall the amount of information is increased, not decreased.
@vikingskuld7 ай бұрын
@@terryhunt2659 old again the word new means new never before seen in the organism is pretty self explanatory. The fact you want to ignore that and try to push gene copies as new is deceptive stupid obtuse and just desperate. I know the plants your talking about and yes. Copies can happen. Yet its not new. The plant carried that information with it all along. It's not new, hence the word COPY, I don't care that it gives better yield. It's still yielding the same grain it always has. You can't get new information. Like a human will never grow wings. There is no mechanism to gain the information for such change. Richard Dawkins can't answer this question so no offense I doubt you can. It's just proof macro evolution doesn't happen and CANT happen. You can see fish change head shape and bone structure or loose eyesight or gain it in one generation depending on how its feeding or if it's in a cave. Those changes are already in the genes there is nothing else that does it. It's not evolving its some how changing according to how it's feeding and the DNA realizes this and changes the structure of it. That's not evolution at all. No matter what it's still a fish and always will be. Micro RNA soft tissue in Dino bones and so many other things proves evolution is a bad idea. It's not science so no its not a theory it's seriously religious belief at this point. I hope you understand what I'm saying I'm really not trying to be rude. I just want people to see the fallacy academia is spreading.
@thomascorbett29365 ай бұрын
Very interesting .
@jan-erikjanson199510 ай бұрын
David skipped over the Gibbons line who on the ground were bipedal.
@Jolene810 ай бұрын
Quite a bit of information was left out. I anticipated this lecture and was highly disappointed, but not surprised. This is the second time, on this channel, that I am aware of, of "professional scientists," skirting facts, including their own. From a professor of the sciences, it's disappointing.
@andrewwatson169010 ай бұрын
So the theory is now 'Out of Africa into Europe, back to Africa and out into the world?' 🙉😂
@atifshahzad472810 ай бұрын
So How these early Apes moves towards Europe and back .They dont have any technology.
@kipkipper-lg9vl9 ай бұрын
@@atifshahzad4728they walk
@KasimAnafo-re7wu8 ай бұрын
YOU are a good Story teller
@caseyjude54729 ай бұрын
This was a great interview & I really enjoyed it.
@cinemaipswich46368 ай бұрын
At times in the past, the Mediteranian Sea was a group of lakes, and not one contigious barrier between Europe and Africa. It was not just apes that roamed about Europe.
@terryhunt26597 ай бұрын
This is referred to at 19:40 in the video.
@secularsunshine903610 ай бұрын
*Let the Sunshine In...*
@noelmorris178710 ай бұрын
What was the "Dark Secret"? The video was good enough without resorting to clickbait.
@user-is1jz6nv5p9 ай бұрын
We were all once spores in the ocean
@user-ny7tn4qs9i10 ай бұрын
I'm not out of Africa myself 😊
@belvedere929 ай бұрын
Instead of telling us about the physical APPEARANCE the apes to prove the origin of humans, why not tell us about their DNA? DNA in animals tell us from whence they came, they leave markers in their DNA. Plus I would hope our ancestors were smart enough to find a warm place to get things started. Not Europe!
@lemonpepperdry581810 ай бұрын
Thank you for this content/information. Very interesting.
@a444898 ай бұрын
I see the resemblance in past mother
@ciscodealmeida854111 күн бұрын
Earth is 8 billion years old according to people from other star systems that witnessed this creation and ever since have Tours here,
@deepdrag8131Ай бұрын
My ancestors came from New Jersey. I’m actually afraid to find out where their ancestors came from.
@johnnybhoy42789 ай бұрын
This channel is fantastic. I never miss an episode. Thanks for what you do and keep up the good work!
@Chompchompyerded5 ай бұрын
Oh, my comment got deleted. If I said something that someone found insulting in some way, I apologize. I did not intend for anything to be insulting. I really did find the presentation to be quite interesting. Maybe I just got too long winded. I do that sometimes. Again, I offer my apologies. I'm truly sorry, and I'll try not to do it again.
@scottwhitemyer550110 ай бұрын
read your book, very interesting, thanks for your hard work.
@drfill921010 ай бұрын
The ancestor of my ancestor is my... friend?
@drfill92108 ай бұрын
@@JT_Soul if you follow the formula: the ancestor of my ancestor is not related!
@thesjkexperienceАй бұрын
If you believe in reincarnation, like half the planet, it could have been “you”. 🎉😊
@drfill9210Ай бұрын
@@thesjkexperience some people have fried and eaten thousand year old mammoth... they could have been eating themselves?
@thesjkexperienceАй бұрын
@@drfill9210 Yes! I don’t pretend to understand it all, but the book said “we have been the mother to every species “. It really makes you look at everything differently. I’ve wondered if we are being nostalgic studying Palio animals/people. 😂😳🤣
@SideWalkAstronomyNetherlands10 ай бұрын
The Aardvark is African, not Asian.
@zhubajie694010 ай бұрын
Yes, an Afrotherian but of course one mistake doesn't affect the argument of ape migration.
@HNH42110 ай бұрын
aardvarks wearing black leather jackets are call "Well-Hardvarks" and they are from west side story
@TheMinkfish22 күн бұрын
How did they get across The Alps? Or the Russian Step?
@OceanusHelios11 күн бұрын
The same way we did by wandering through valleys and across flat areas. Traversing these areas is doable if you have food. Modern humans just have to drag everything they own with them. These organisms might not have had to if there were food sources along the way. And they didn't have to have a goal to get there, all they needed were other creatures or bands of members of their own species pushing them out and into less favorable conditions.
@carlgildersleeve13599 ай бұрын
Africa was before Europe. I am only saying this cause the place that was frozen while humans was migrating was eroupe. And nothing could live in frozen regions for thousands of years. So let's start with that fact.
@stefanschleps87589 ай бұрын
Mee Ape adapt too Key board, duh.... (Greetings from Bavaria!)
@lordhegamonster69319 ай бұрын
What were We before we were small tree dwelling mammals in Africa?
@rickmartin75969 ай бұрын
Synapsids.
@jerrychacon88142 ай бұрын
If man did evolve, then language should have evolved too. Language experts say thete is no language ever found that is primitive as from animal sounds. Linguist experts say language is language no matter were its from or time period.
@walkergaryaАй бұрын
Wow. You are incredibly stupid and a liar.
@Raydensheraj10 ай бұрын
There is still not enoigh evidence to really answer this question yet....i still think the evidence of an "African origin" is way stronger and better. I personally don't care either way...but most of all the important fossils have been discovered in Africa....and discoveries like Homo naledi or floriensis still show....theres still way too many questions that need to be answered. And more fossil evidence is necessary to answer a lot of these questions...
@dancingnature10 ай бұрын
There is an older hypothesis that apes moved back into Africa then evolved into the protohuman lineages . He’s saying Europe others say Asia
@2nostromo8 ай бұрын
I'm confused. Has the Scientific name, Proconsul africanus been changed?
@EvolutionSoup8 ай бұрын
To account for substantial morphological variation in the genus Proconsul, two species, P. nyanzae and P. heseloni, were placed in the new genus Ekembo.
@2nostromo8 ай бұрын
@@EvolutionSoup thank you
@TontonMacoute8 ай бұрын
Why does Evolution T shirt man ask a question about climate change that was already covered? Was he asleep?
@kp62156 ай бұрын
So excited because climate affects evolution on species 🤔 Because evolution science and climate with geology now that DNA can be analyzed this from 2010 AD most exciting because wholly Mammoth was in Alaska all year long with eating vegitation with all other species that all evolved with each other has always been my passion because History of Everything now has many various specialists that had not existed when I was reading science of everything with behavior of all living species that evolved that geology geography affected for everything with the sea barely studied . 😁👍
@marcfudge57528 ай бұрын
I would say there has been a lot of human ancestry and various species like Neanderthal that they haven’t or might not ever of discovered yet !
@lincolnyaco56268 ай бұрын
Evidence for this European origin hypothesis is scant.
@robokill38710 ай бұрын
Minor nitpick, but aardvarks are a member of afrotheria.
@HNH42110 ай бұрын
MINOR FACKTIOD aardvarks wearing black leather jackets are call "well-hardvarks"
@Aj-kl7nl10 ай бұрын
Dear Sir. David R Begun. I have noticed your pronunciation of Graecopithecus. It is Latin, and should not be pronounced grey but the letter I. Gri co pith e cus.
@Cat_Woods10 ай бұрын
Not yet convinced one way or another. Disturbed by the supremacy voiced in some of the comments.
@Cat_Woods10 ай бұрын
@BizNizil76 "The only hint at and use of supremacy is found only in your comment 🤔 Projection?" Not projection, no. I was referring to the multiple comments I saw last night about how it proved that "we" or "people with blue eyes" were "first," how this disproved out of Africa (for human origins), and the like in the comments, despite his explicitly saying that he was NOT talking about where humans originated, only the ape ancestors of humans. I'm replying to this in a notifications section, so I don't know if some or all of those comments have since been deleted, but they were definitely there last night. I found them disturbing. I was not projecting. I was surprised and disappointed.
@JT_Soul10 ай бұрын
@BizNizil76 The comments Cat was referring to have been deleted. There were people filling the comment section with racialist pseudoscience last night.
@jamestodd232310 ай бұрын
@BizNizil76There were a lot very racist comments initially but it looks like the Evo Soup people or KZfaq have removed them ---quite rightly too. These types seem to make a beeline for this kind of content the moment it's uploaded!
@user-md9yv7jx2c10 ай бұрын
Where ever it was, it probably would have looked like Africa.