Seems like a lot of fundamentalist worship and listen to the word of Paul more than Jesus.

Paul seems complex. I don't believe him when he says that Jesus revealed himself to him. Their paradigms are worlds apart.

Isn't it strange that Jesus forgot to tell the Jerusalem people about Paul's Gospel? He forgot to tell them that their way would disappear and a different way would dominate.

As I’m listening to this I’m thinking to myself…Paul was so close with Jesus, talking to him in spirit yet Jesus didn’t tell him that he isn’t coming anytime……. soon. 😂 poor Paul

The way the Lambert of god is critical about the Bible, while maintaining a love for it at the same time actually inspires a whole new love for the book itself. Thank god for people like Derick , and , Dr. Tabor.

Always great to watch and listen to Dr Tabor.

I enjoyed listening to this interview with professor James D Tabor about Paul and James interactions and development of the early church growth.

James Tabor raises many important points in this video regarding the split between Pauline & Nazorean Ebionite Christianities but (probably due to constraints of time) fail’d to do the deeper dive into other places in the Canonical Greek New Testament such as Revelation 2:9 & 3:9-10 (‘Pay no heed to those persons claiming to be Apostles but are nothing of the kind but Liars [& Deceivers] of the Synagogue of Satan...) and (‘Lo, I shall cause the men of the Synagogue of Satan to be brought before you groveling at your feet-those men who are claiming to have been Judean-born but are no such thing but rather are Liars belonging to the Synagogue of Satan-Behold, you will know that I have chosen you [over them]’ (see Targum of DeuteroIsaiah 45:14) Clearly these verses in Revelation seem to be conscious swipes at Saul of Tarsus (aka ‘Paul’, lit. ‘Tiny’) who claim’d over and over and over again in the letters bearing his name in the Canonical Greek New Testament that he was an ‘Apostolos’ of Jesus - i.e. one personally ‘sent’ by R. Yehoshua bar Yosef the Galilean Nazir (BCE 12-36 CE) -a man he never met in person at all but only in dreams & visions like my gardener-(see I Corinthians chapter 9, & 15:9, Galatians 1:1, 1:11-12; Romans 1:1 &c) Moreover Paul goes out of his way to insist that he is a ‘Judaean’ of the Tribe of Benjamin & a Pharisee (Philippians 3:5 &c) whereas he was certainly NOT born in Palestine but in Tarsus, the capital city of Cilicia in modern day Turkey -and moreover home of the Roman Worship of Mithras (via Cilician Pirates who introduc’d the cult from Persia c. 63 BCE) -so we can catch a glimpse (along with the whole of Galatians chapter 2 which no serious textual scholar doubts was the writing of Paul himself throughout) which shews the enmity that existed between the Ebionite Torah Abiding & Circumcision-loving Nazorean Christians out of Jerusalem under the auspices of Yakkov bar Yosef, haTzaddiq (James son of Joseph, the Righteous) who was Jesus’ blood brother & whose position as eventual head of the Jesus End of Days Community (despite his not being a disciple or one of the 12 or of the 70, but ran a distinct branch call’d ‘The Poor Ones’ (haEvionim, later call’d the Ebionites who splinter’d into factions after the 1st Fail’d Jewish War against Rome (66-72 CE) was soley bas’d on his Daviddic bloodline (in fact all Ebionite Bishops before the War were chosen from the Daviddic lineage bas’d on blood relation to Jesus himself) - Or as the Gospel of Thomas states in L. 9 - ‘Rabbi, if you are taken from us, to whom then shall we turn to follow?’ And he said to them, if the Bar Enasha (‘son of Man’ see AramDaniel 7:13ff) is taken from you, you are to go at once to my. brother Yakkov haTzaddiq (‘James the Just’) for whose sake Heaven & Earth had come into being !’ Anyone reading phrases like ‘those two so-call’d pillars’ when Paul was referring to ‘Kephah’ (Shimeon bar Yonah, HaKefah, aka ‘Peter’) & Yohanon bar Zavdai (two of the 3 inner circle members of the original Jesus Movement) in Galatians chapter 2 would see the obvious jealousy that ‘Paul’ felt about the original disciples whom he avoided (apparently rather shortly after meeting only the Top Brass of the movement) like the plague... Unfortunately Acts chapters 15 & 18 has signs of a later 2nd century style smooth’d over post Jewish War (post 72 CE) harmonisation of the original bitter friction between Paul’s antinomians and the Torah-Abiding Nazorean Evionim under James the Just -we can glean a trace of the vitriol which pass’d between the two hated groups in the early 50s from Paul’s own words in Galatians chapter 2 - what can only be describ’d as an accident of history occurred after the First Jewish War (66-72CE) when the Torah Abiding circumcising Nazorean Ebionites under James the Just were virtually wip’d out (along with most of the Daviddic descendants-Jesus’ brother Judah Ha Thomah (‘Thomas’ aka the Twin) had a daughter and 2 twin grandsons who manag’d to escape to Pella and survive into the reign of Domitian in 96 CE) whereas Paul’s gentile-Loving antiTorah antinomian antiCircumcision churches in the Diaspora (mainly in Macedonia, Greece & present-day Turkey) surviv’d to get far more press in the Canonical Greek New Testament (whereas ‘James the Just’ & ‘Jude’ and other representatives of the Nazorean Ebionite branches of the earliest Christianities barely got one letter each into the NT canon...) In the Book of Revelation’s 7 letters there are 7 calls to ‘shuvah’ (‘repentance’ which according to protoIsaiah chapter 8:20 means ‘return to obeying the Torah & the Testimony [of the prophets]’ to which was added in other places in Revelation 3 more calls to ‘Return’ reflecting the 10 Days of Repentance (‘Yomei Aseret Teshuvah’) Festival following the Feast of Trumpets- Rosh Hashannsh (Sept New Year) and sandwich’d in before Yom Kippur where the High Priest in Jerusalem call’d qol-Yisro’el to repentance back to obeying Torah and ‘sealing’ the House of Yisro’el for the coming year against Tribulation...sound familiar ? Several passages in chapters 2 & 3 of Revelation use terms like ‘repent & be zealous’ (Rev 3:18-20) meaning go back to the Kabbalah (‘traditions’) of the Abboth (‘the fathers’) meaning to obeying the Torah & ignoring those preachers of the Synagogue of Satan who claim Torah obedience even for Messianic Jews & Christians in the Diaspora was unnecessary and are saved ‘by faith alone’ -absolutely refuting & flying in the face of what is written in plain Koine Greek in canonical James’ letter (‘salvation by faith without ma’aseh ha Torah - works of the Law-is like a dead body in the gutter-a corpse without a soul to give life to it...’) see James 2:14-26 &c. In the Dead Sea Scrolls the phrase ‘be zealous for the Torah’ occurs several dozen times - a description which Paul claim’d he bragg’d was his habit ‘as a Pharisee Zealous in obeying Torah’) in the period before his conversion following what sounds like a ‘lightning strike’ with qolot & Orim (thunders & brilliant lights) which knock’d him out cold ‘carrying me into the 3rd Heaven, I suppose...’ So when we read in Revelation chapter 3:20ff ‘be therefore Zealous & Repent’ the writer of the 7 letters in Revelation (Part of the 7 heads & 10 horns of Daniel Typology) was clearly implying that the Yahad Messianic Synagogue e.g. at Philadelphia (in present-day Turkey) had stray’d from obeying the Torah of their fathers and needed to return to the Torah by being Zealous for the Law... One could make a case therefore that 99% of modern day ‘Christians’ are in fact ‘Pauline Christians’ bas’d on the warp’d theology of a 1st century ‘heretic’ and that the original ‘Christian Torah Abiding Circumcising Messianists’ that knew & follow’d Jesus ‘in the flesh’ have all but died out to-day...

BRAVO, Professor Tabor! Well done.

As an Orthodox Jew myself, I thought Dr. Tabor's joke about racing to the latrines before Shabbat was pretty funny.

James Tabor is a gift. Great interview Derek.

Thank you…for stirring and thought provoking

Dr. Tabor does a great interview!

Don't you find strange that Paul never had another encounter with Jesus, yet he keeps modifying Christian church beliefs to attract gentiles and confuse Jews. Specially the eating of meat that had been offered to pagan Gods.

Nice get to have Professor Tabor. The guest line up has been nothing short of superb as of late.

I loved Michael Goulder's book "St. Paul versus St. Peter", where he pretty vividly describes how he imagines some of these conflicts that occur in Paul's congregations when "other apostles" show up.

Yes, this is an Amazing Interview. Beautiful!

Wow, very interesting insight. Tabor has done his research and shed knew light on the subject of Torah observance in those days Wow. God Bless him

Great interview. From your extensive time with Dr. Price, I was surprised you didn't say "I'm familiar with F.C. Baur" when Dr. Tabor brought him up :-).

Great video! Thank you both!

Wow. This KZfaq channel keeps inviting on great guests!

Professor Tabor 's paul and jesus ,i read it several times.It really change my view of christianity.

This is all great stuff. One of the things I'm curious about is why no mention of Robert Eisenman? He's the guy who made the Dead Sea Scrolls accessible to scholars of every stripe, wresting legal control of them from the Catholic Church. The Church had tried to control the scholarship on the scrolls until he challenged them. Eisenman wrote extensively about James, the Brother of Jesus, the Pseudo Clementine Recognitions, Acts, the Mandeans, Ebionites, the early Church fathers and Josephus. I know Eisenman is retired from teaching and research now, but he doesn't get nary a mention in your 'tubecasts.' All of the scholars you bring on owe at least a debt of gratitude to him, even if you might not agree with his findings.

Dr Tabor seems so genuine with no agenda beyond finding the truth. What a treasure.

I feel like this channel has been mind blowing for the past year with the quality of interviewing and guests. It's shocking how few subscribers you have compared to what you're actually pouring out for us. Thanks for being persistent; you'll get there!

All the content is brilliant and awesome

This helped bring the final pieces of the story together. Paul would practice being a Jew when with Peter/James but not when with gentiles. Paul needed Peter/James for credibility but had essentially started his own religion. Later, the gospel of John tries to reconcile these differences.

I just love to listen to Mr. Tabor

A really interesting discussion. Thanks Derrek and thanks "Dr. Tabor" :-)

The Best content on Comparative Religion and Spirituality revealing the layers of these myths

Good interview.

Hmmmmm......... something in me almost feels like tentatively agreeing with Dr Tabor's minority view that 2Corinthians was referring to characters like James over there in Jerusalem as "superapostles", instead of people based closerby to Corinth. The idea that Paul was hiding a bit of his secretly held views that didn't conform to his earlier agreement with them in Jerusalem which eventually led to a more bitter break.

He spoke for upwards of 30-minutes and never did get to the point of the video. What's their beef?

Wonderful!!

Really enjoy Dr Tabor, so courteous and enthusiastic, very refreshing. My issue with his lectures as well as someone like Bart Ehrman is that so many data points are left out or stretched, so that when I double back on their presentations to read the source material, an incredible number of texts are just left out of their argument. Case in point: Paul's omission of the pre-existence of Jesus of Nazareth as a divine character. There is no mention of Romans 8:3 or Colossians 1:15ff or Hebrews 1:2 possibly written by one of Paul's companions, not to mention the incredible number of texts from the Wisdom of Solomon (in your NRSV Episcopal, Catholic or Orthodox Bibles) in which the language of the pre-existing character of Wisdom as a Person was there in the beginning with the Father, and this language about Wisdom was studied and used by the authors of the NT autographs as source material to conceptualize early NT theology. I am not Catholic or Orthodox, but the entire corpus of the Deutero-canonical works of Paul and the apocrypha do not nullify the orthodox doctrine of Jesus, rather they serve to reflect the opinions and values of the early church or the second temple period that ended in 70 CE. My conclusion is that Doctors Tabor and Ehrman are not sincere in their presentations but are trying to make a living with biblia nouveau - $$$$.

Where was Paul during the destruction of the Temple in AD. 70????

I’m excited! I’ve read the book, let’s see the video!

Good episode Derek, and Dr. Tabor!

when we are slandered, we answer kindly. We have become the scum of the earth, the garbage of the world-right up to this moment

Love this

Awesome thanks dr.

So happy I’m not alone on this

This channel continues to be one of the best balances of scholarship and accessibility on all of YT. I hope you get 10 million subs.

This guy is very respectful as he explains this not deliberately attacking faiths of jews or Christians

Re: eating of blood, that was a part of the covenant God gave to Noah, thus pre law of Moses, and thus not fulfilled by Jesus

This is amazing!

From all the scholars I know Prof. Tabor shows the least signs of any kind of personal agenda, no signs of ideology and also he is totally free in saying what he found out by thorough research. If more scholars, men were like him this world would look a lot different. My honest repect!❤🎉 Pls continue to enlighten us!

My comment is for Dr. Tabor.

how many billions of people has Paul mislead over time

This is brilliant

As one under. . . , I take as claim, "I am you, you are I Colorful, our creation, humanity. Let's God-up, save our Earths' growth; place progress afore our pride.

There is one idea that Paul was acting as a spy for the Romans.

Id like to see a discussion of Paul's idea of faith to be saved versus good works to be saved. I was raised Catholic and remember the importance placed on good works. Could you have someone discuss this topec.

James Tabor's lighting is absolutely perfect. Just saying.

Awesome

I'd love to a see a discussion between James Tabor and Robert Eisenman on the so-called James ossuary and the alleged Talpiot grave of the family of Jesus. What's Tabo's take on the historicity (or otherwise) of Jesus.

Paul is about eschatology and a frustration with Judaiism resulting in the repudiation of it, always w his eschatology in mind, to the extent that he himself identifies as gentile. As soon as someone WRITES, and not just blurts out in conversation, that he is all things to all men bc he has a Moses-complex, then his entire schemata as a religious thinker becomes suspect. Scholars who unwittingly sentimentalize Paul, or conveniently set aside his vitriol and utter narcissism, are naive on purpose.

Have you guys read the Nazarene Acts of the apostles or the Clementine homilies ,also a Syriac version

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Yeah!!

I have to run to the toilet, but it is two hundred cubits up the road here in Cambodia , but very good.

28:58 Didn't come ? Why do you think John wrote "Look, he is coming with the clouds" ? When he wrote about what happened in his time, when Jesus was reviled as the slaughtered Lamb of God ?

Every time i watch this channel i get an "Gospel to Israeli" commercial

Paul was clearly sending shots why are people scared to admit that lol

"I'm trusting Paul". Ugh, that blows his credibility.

Your Patreon content interests me, BUT can you explain how to access Patreon while watching TV on ROKU?

Titus was also an Israelite he just aquired the customs and traditions of the nation he was borned in.

Could the 'Pauline' statement '...to the Jew I become as a Jew...' be a vestige of the writings of Simon of Samaria before Simon and his writings were co-opted by anti-Marcionite christians ?

What up Tabo(e)r

would like to know after Paul's experience on his way to Damascus her went to Arabia he stayed there for three years what did he do there

Paul sounds like the founder of modern politics.

if Paul said 'remain in your calling' it would imply that he believed in the covenant obligations. If we take the other quote that Paul really gave a speech before his death when he says, I am a Pharisee, he either was, or he wasn't. Somehow I can't imagine many traditional pharisees denying their covenantal obligations.

I still call my history teacher from high school (1974) Mr Compton! I can’t call him Jimmy to save my life.

I always think it interesting that in passages where it asserts Jesus spoke with 'Paul', he never calls him that, only ever Saul.

There are all from God's Words, disciples can talk and preach all by the Grace of God.

Totally disagree with the Professor on any number of issues, but he's always worth a listen.

I’ve been wondering, In revelation who is the 12th judge of the tribes, Matthias or Paul?

i suppose a case could be made, that, with the parousia ot arriving you could make the argument that Paul's revelations may not be entirely accurate and his understanding of what he understood from these revelations could also be either wrong or deficient.

Tabor says that James believed that Jesus was raised from the dead but we don't have any first hand written evidence that James believed that James believed that or taught that.

Invited to eat and I asked them where the meat came from and then I tell them I'm a vegetarian. Did I get thrown out? Hum!

I was waiting for a discussion of Paul undergoing a "Nazirite Vow" and admitting to Peter, James and John that he WAS preaching contrary to them. Paul was a bit of a braggart, saying he suffered more floggings, nearer to death, jailed more, than others; that he claimed he was the First Apostle, appointed before his birth. My next comment has nothing to do (or maybe it does) with the conflict between Peter, James, John and Paul: that the "thorn in my side" was all the problems he was having with the Jerusalem leaders and their correcting what they saw as errant teaching. That is my opinion only, not based on anything beyond a wild-assed guess.

(Jesus) Mathew 23:9 And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. (Paul) 1 corinthians 4:15 Even if you had ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel.

I'm with Dr. Tabor in his idea that there was an unsolvable schism between Paul, James, and Peter, probably later in Paul's ministry. Remember that according to Luke Acts, Paul went to Rome and spent two years there under 'house arrest', so he was very far away from Jerusalem later in his life, and preached to the Jews in Rome just 3 days after he arrived. These were probably Greek speaking Jews who had more liberal interpretations of the law and Torah, which fit Paul perfectly. Paul saw his mission to be gear toward the Gentiles and appealed to them by softening the requirements to be a follower of Jesus from their Jewish origin into a form that would be appealing to a wider audience. So, once he started his trip to Rome, he likely never visited Jerusalem again or met with James and Peter. His focus now was on getting the Gentiles into the fold.

The Son of Man warned us of this adversary to come to this world. Today the rulers of the world are all from the adversary of our Father The Creator The Most High.

Coming from Hebert Armstrongs legalistic cult The Worlswide Church of God now defunct and transformed from those shackles… Paul’s letter Galatians is so practical for those who worship now in spirit and truth rather than tradition, form and function. Jesus! Thank you SO much for your servant Paul and like FFH one of these days….I’ll sit with him and learn all the things I didn’t know but through a glass darkly now..

All the confusions in the so call Christianity today is the result of failure to understand salvation through Paul

Wouldn't his name (James) be Ya'acob? From my own studies, the "v" in modern Hebrew comes from the Ashkenazi who lived in Eastern Europe? I'm definitely open to being wrong, but I've heard it pronounced both ways, with the "b" pronunciation being the more ancient of the two.

Didn't Paul say I fooled them with trickery? Game over for me.

While I know the issue of full Torah observance was huge in the early church and Paul's ministry was plagued by "judaizers," I would have expected the primary non-starter would have been Christology and the substitutionary death of Jesus for sins. Elsewhere, Tabor indicates those doctrines are missing in non-canonical writings or earlier copies of some gospels, and he says those beliefs weren't held by James and the Jerusalem church. If Paul explained "my gospel" to the leaders of the "Mother Church" on either of the two occasions, how is Christology not a red flag? Even if Paul was less than forthcoming, the same process that brought rumors from the Diaspora would have occurred here. Is Tabor wrong that the Jerusalem church did bot hold to the same view of Christ that Paul did?

"Acts 15 is accurate..." Well, there's a first time for everything.

I have always found it extremely odd that Matthew (Levi) who was actually with Jesus, says that Jesus told us that in order to reach Heaven, we have to follow all of the laws of Moses without changing even a pen stroke until the end of time. Paul, who never met Jesus, tells us that we only have to accept Jesus as the savior.

At 20:40 it gets very interesting, because he explains that Paul was telling Jewish Christian’s they did not need to follow the Jewish laws because the end was near. This interesting because some of these Jewish Christian’s started to die and it is my understanding that Paul was challenged about this.

You may have missed it but Paul went for 3 years into Arabia where he was taught by Christ. Paul only taught what was revealed to him by the Lord.

"But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in." Matthew 23:13 and where is that Kingdom? And the Pharisees comanded of him from whence commeth the Kingdom of God? and Jesus said, "the Kingdom of God cometh not with observation. If they say to you it is over there or it is over here, no, behold, the Kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:20-21 But don't stop seeking until you find it!!!!!

What does the D stand for? haha It was great listening to this

Damn, this has a lot of ads!

Why do most paintings depict Paul and the Apostles as old? As for Paul, he was stated as being a "young Pharisee" (probably less than 30 years old), and he served Christ for 14 years.

Did I really hear Noahide Laws!? Very revealing...

The only question i have is are their any originals of any of Paul's letters? I dare say the answer is no.