The Apple M1 isn't magic, it's good design - M1 Deep Dive pt 2 | Upscaled

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Engadget

Engadget

3 жыл бұрын

On the second part of our M1 deep-dive, we get into the design choices that Apple made to get such good performance, why benchmarks may be misleading, and what other companies like Qualcomm and Intel can do to catch up.
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@slash196
@slash196 3 жыл бұрын
Upscaled should be its own channel, it's so head and shoulders above anything else on here.
@hieusaturated
@hieusaturated 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed!
@titoriano1
@titoriano1 3 жыл бұрын
Probably a smart marketing/rebranding strategy too
@Rafayel06
@Rafayel06 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@bsvenss2
@bsvenss2 3 жыл бұрын
Totally agree.
@tomoliveri8168
@tomoliveri8168 3 жыл бұрын
Would be nice if they took 0.5s to just... breathe once in a while... this is an assault on my eardrums
@sprucegoose6933
@sprucegoose6933 3 жыл бұрын
Just wanted to take a moment to say how grateful I am for your incredible in-depth videos on tech.
@widnmbodken
@widnmbodken 3 жыл бұрын
@@epiceconomist3811 you a very smat scammer , what a galaxy brain /s
@Nors2Ka
@Nors2Ka 3 жыл бұрын
In-depth? More like in-deep pile of bullshit and misconceptions.
@itsmilan4069
@itsmilan4069 3 жыл бұрын
@@Nors2Ka oof looks like someone didn't like the truth
@Nors2Ka
@Nors2Ka 3 жыл бұрын
@@itsmilan4069 The truth about how CPUs work? Sorry, but what's written in Intel's cpu architecture manual just doesn't correlate with this video and I'm leaning towards what's written by the creators themselves than some soy boy on the internet tries to explain stuff to normies.
@lisuvirizwa
@lisuvirizwa 3 жыл бұрын
Upscaled carrying Engadget on its back.
@kevinbatts2804
@kevinbatts2804 3 жыл бұрын
Halfway through this I realized this was Engadget. No exaggeration this is the best thing I've seen from Engadget ever. Wow
@AbhimanyuKumar-bt2xf
@AbhimanyuKumar-bt2xf 3 жыл бұрын
in a single video i got all my answers to the questions I was looking for in various quora answers and reviews
@CarlosSpicyWiener111
@CarlosSpicyWiener111 3 жыл бұрын
Ikr!
@RareMade
@RareMade 3 жыл бұрын
what was your answer?
@AbhimanyuKumar-bt2xf
@AbhimanyuKumar-bt2xf 3 жыл бұрын
@@RareMade i wasn't answering all those ques, instead I was looking for the answer.
@JoeLeonardo
@JoeLeonardo 3 жыл бұрын
This man taught me with his words and gave me a panic attack with his delivery.
@yellowboxster06
@yellowboxster06 3 жыл бұрын
True for me as well. I give him a lot of credit for subject knowledge but his presentation style made my head hurt.
@corvoattano9303
@corvoattano9303 3 жыл бұрын
Perfect Description
@jonathanodude6660
@jonathanodude6660 3 жыл бұрын
@@yellowboxster06 why?
@yellowboxster06
@yellowboxster06 3 жыл бұрын
@@jonathanodude6660 Fair question. Technical knowledge unquestionable. Message delivery: First reaction - dial down your caffeine levels...seemed too hyper.
@1990iRock
@1990iRock 3 жыл бұрын
Put the video on 0.75x speed and suddenly the video is alot better to watch.
@almostinfamous42
@almostinfamous42 3 жыл бұрын
That buff vs buffer was absolutely hilarious 😂
@pweddy1
@pweddy1 3 жыл бұрын
RISC V designers are like “You call that RISC?” to Arm chips.
@MaddTheSane
@MaddTheSane 3 жыл бұрын
What do you think ARM stood for?
@pweddy1
@pweddy1 3 жыл бұрын
Originally it stood for Acorn Risc Machines. People who are ignorant of their history will call them merely Advanced RISC Machines. People are ignorant of computer architecture will assume that the name defines their behavior today. The whole point of the risk five project was to go back to base principles. Because architectures like arm have a abandoned the base principles. Risc 5 has the hallmarks of a Risc architecture, a small clean instruction set that facilitates a efficient decode process. I've been a computer programmer since the original risc came out. This isn't history for me I lived it.
@benygh911
@benygh911 3 жыл бұрын
you're Totally RIGHT, and some Preliminary Tests Demonstrate how RISC-V TOTALLY KICKS ARM's A$$, Not only in Terms of SPEED, but also Efficency 😁✌
@bartomiejkomarnicki7506
@bartomiejkomarnicki7506 3 жыл бұрын
@@benygh911 actually ONLY in terms of efficiency, so far it doesn’t scale at all
@benygh911
@benygh911 3 жыл бұрын
@@bartomiejkomarnicki7506 I'll Try to Remember *where* I saw the benchmarks and throw you a Link here, but I saw it even WON Easily in _Performance_ 😆✌
@baroya
@baroya 3 жыл бұрын
This guy is so serious, enthusiastic - makes one of the most boring tech topics interesting! Thank you!
@rope8666
@rope8666 3 жыл бұрын
Defo not boring imo
@knechtnoobrecht-c137
@knechtnoobrecht-c137 3 жыл бұрын
on what earth is this boring my dude
@salty4
@salty4 3 жыл бұрын
he's the reason I have subscribed to this channel
@RomeoYouMust
@RomeoYouMust 3 жыл бұрын
@@salty4 Same! I really love Upscaled videos and watch every single one of them, not so much the rest
@WarriorsPhoto
@WarriorsPhoto 3 жыл бұрын
Yes he does. Glad I am subbed.
@MishaAmashukeli
@MishaAmashukeli 3 жыл бұрын
03:19 this article is total BS. The reason single-core performance is important is that some tasks are just not parallelizable. When people say "single-core performance", they mean single logical core / single-thread performance. When you have a program that does not utilize multiple threads, it does not matter how many logical cores you got - you only use one, so SMT does not help here.
@utubekullanicisi
@utubekullanicisi 3 жыл бұрын
What he says in this video though is that the M1 feeds its body with data so well that it doesn’t need hyperthreading to fulfill its potential, and that SMT is more of a “band-aid” for situations where some parts of the chip are sitting at idle at a specific task.
@SkepticalCaveman
@SkepticalCaveman 3 жыл бұрын
A OS should be designed to be preemptive multithreded from the ground up.
@piotrd.4850
@piotrd.4850 3 жыл бұрын
@@SkepticalCaveman Windows 95 could do it for 32 bit apps - can't MacOS?
@swarnavasamanta2628
@swarnavasamanta2628 3 жыл бұрын
Yes i agree, but i think it would be also clear to say that the basic principles of OS and kernels is to actually get good multithreadinv done. You may think implementing multithreading in programs or processes is sometimes counter intuitive, but overall when you think of large scale applications they all have multithreading capabilities since they do multiple tasks simultaneously and it would be a waste not to.
@SkepticalCaveman
@SkepticalCaveman 3 жыл бұрын
@@piotrd.4850 I was thinking about BeOS.
@ondrejtrhon
@ondrejtrhon 3 жыл бұрын
Seriously this is so good, accessible yet rigorous, please keep up! Love it.
@Sacchidanand
@Sacchidanand 3 жыл бұрын
More upscaled. PS - Take your time, thank you so much for such detailed video. 😊
@thsithks
@thsithks 3 жыл бұрын
Please, please lay off the insane compression on the dialogue track.
@SiriusXification
@SiriusXification 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah like wtf this sounds horrible
@Hellscream2005
@Hellscream2005 3 жыл бұрын
i think hes just not using a lavalier mic or maybe he was and the track got fucked so he used the camera track? its too echoey.
@gcocatre
@gcocatre 3 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly. His speech hurts my ears even with the volume turned down.
@JordanFreshour
@JordanFreshour 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@lexacutable
@lexacutable 3 жыл бұрын
agreed, it's giving me a headache
@Al-nv7zm
@Al-nv7zm 3 жыл бұрын
Upscaled is like a whole damn course in current electronics
@evtimpapushev7137
@evtimpapushev7137 3 жыл бұрын
Single-core (i.e. single-thread) performance tests aim to evaluate the ability of the CPU to run a sequence of instructions with data dependencies between them, branch prediction / recovery from misprediction; they test the effectiveness and efficiency of decoders, pipelining, Out-of-Order execution, not just pure computations. Apple's M1 has 8 decoders, but that does not magically help with resolving dependencies in the instruction pipeline, OoO execution, etc. On the contrary, there are more instructions that need to be reordered for best utilization of the pipeline; more instructions will be scrapped in case of branch misprediction, etc. On x86/64 CPUs there are only 4 decoders per thread as instructions complexity does not allow for more without making the silicon way too complex (according to Intel and AMD engineers). So, to work around this limitation, they've introduced hyper-threading and added 4 more instruction decoders. But, they cannot feed all 8 decoders from a single thread, they must process two threads. While that seems to level the playing field, it does not. Instructions from different threads are inherently independent, so the amount of analysis, reordering and planning that the CPU has to do is reduced. In the multi-threaded tests the advantages of hyper-threading are clearly visible and that's fine, that's how it should be. But changing the testing methodology just to push M1 down is utter garbage and has absolutely no merit.
@steveseidel9967
@steveseidel9967 3 жыл бұрын
I believe there is a general misconception (not with you) about hyper threading (SMT). Some think this is an advanced feature that all chip designs should have. It's not. This is effectively a hack that is used to regain lost efficiency from a poor decoder (like Intel's design). This video makes it look like multiple threads on a single core will work 2x as fast. In reality, Cinebench is literally a best case example of how Intel chips can get back some efficiency through SMT and even there, it only gains about 20% performance improvement. That also comes at a cost of security as we've seen in the Spectre attacks and many enterprises actually disable this functionality because of it.
@ThePowerLover
@ThePowerLover 3 жыл бұрын
_"But changing the testing methodology just to push M1 down is utter garbage and has absolutely no merit."_ *^This!*
@bizmonkey007
@bizmonkey007 3 жыл бұрын
What’s counts is the M1 looks good on paper and performs well in practice. I could see changing the testing methodology if the benchmarks didn’t line up with performance, but that’s not the case.
@ktkps
@ktkps 3 жыл бұрын
You are a very very good technical communicator who can digest and present technical topics in a very unbiased and clear way. Keep continuing your work!
@MegaAbzzzzz
@MegaAbzzzzz 3 жыл бұрын
About the Cinebench benchmark, Intel 8 core 16 threads, or course it wins because realistically M1 has a little big config. Yes it is 8 core but only 4 of its cores CPU are high performance based cores, and 4 low power cores. That said this is crazy impressive what it has been able to achieve with what its got.
@arumaakadalamudhan.t9900
@arumaakadalamudhan.t9900 3 жыл бұрын
Upscaled is awesome it's like no other KZfaq channels out there in explanation. This guy is excellent in explaining things. And special mention to video editors of Upscaled at Engadget, did excellent job. They nearly brought the half of apple wwdc and put them at correct places, that helped in understanding the concept that this cool guy tries to deliver for us. It's a combined effort. Well done. I'm seeing ur channel is going to get popular soon. LoL it's already famous!
@danielwoods7325
@danielwoods7325 3 жыл бұрын
Adding my voice to the calls for Upscaled to be it’s own channel - let’s keep building momentum!
@muri038
@muri038 3 жыл бұрын
Very well explained, animated and really easy to follow. Good job mate.
@steve8547
@steve8547 3 жыл бұрын
Sooo much love for this series. It really makes some techie deep dive information really accessible to the enthusiast.
@shashanks.k855
@shashanks.k855 3 жыл бұрын
This guy is awesome... as a physics person myself, he talks about it technically enough not to bore me to sleep as most channels tend to. Please keep them coming. Again AMSL episode was amazing.
@matteobecatti3157
@matteobecatti3157 3 жыл бұрын
Great video man, good work! I really appreciate that you put all this effort to bring us a video this much rich with details!
@sayakdasgupta8905
@sayakdasgupta8905 3 жыл бұрын
I wish they made longer productions like this.
@SynysterNick
@SynysterNick 3 жыл бұрын
Great color grading throughout the episode! This series is the BEST! Keep them coming!!!
@isthisjish3794
@isthisjish3794 3 жыл бұрын
This is the kind of tech videos I’ve been waiting for. In depth but greatly easily explained
@raguilaru
@raguilaru 3 жыл бұрын
First time watching the show. I’m impressed by the production quality plus the detailed technical content in a digestible format. I’m a fan.
@SamAlexanderYouTube
@SamAlexanderYouTube 3 жыл бұрын
this guy has quickly become my favorite from Engadget. keep it up my dude!
@arumaakadalamudhan.t9900
@arumaakadalamudhan.t9900 3 жыл бұрын
Complex things, but the way of explanation given or presented is great. Those animations where add mul load where awesome which remained me my OS classes at clg.. Lovin it.
@pweddy1
@pweddy1 3 жыл бұрын
A execution unit is usually broken up into Integer, Floating Point, Load/Store not add, sub, multiple or divide.
@flippert0
@flippert0 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the statements about threads etc. aren't very in-depth (as some commenters here might think) but actually a bit light on content. A comprehensive treatment of those topics would of course go beyond a 15 min video.
@nokind90
@nokind90 3 жыл бұрын
impressed with the work you/the team put in. Really detailed info with nice flow
@SHlNOBUU
@SHlNOBUU 3 жыл бұрын
the best video series about apples M1 chips I've seen!
@AbdulelahAlJeffery
@AbdulelahAlJeffery 3 жыл бұрын
super informative series ... much much needed.. Thanks Engadget
@childnuk
@childnuk 3 жыл бұрын
Well done! This is the first M1 video I have seen on KZfaq that refer to RISC and OOO execution. There are too many videos with very talky hosts who are doing just that, talking, nothing else! It is refreshing to see a video that touches lightly but does reach the core advanced concepts within CPU designs.
@solom465
@solom465 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! Bought an M1 Air a few weeks ago. Been impressed by its performance and battery life.
@MV_96
@MV_96 3 жыл бұрын
Didn't expect such a thorough video. Thank you!
@vasanthtcs2009
@vasanthtcs2009 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing and informative, not the same boring ones where ppl keep talking about performance benchmarks all the time.
@AndersonVenturini
@AndersonVenturini 3 жыл бұрын
Wow! Awesome content, Chris! Congrats!
@ShredBird
@ShredBird 3 жыл бұрын
This is one of the best explanations of instruction level and thread level parallelism I've seen. Great content!
@lukedstaten
@lukedstaten 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! Seriously. I never thought I'd say it but Upscaled is totally underrated according to the quality
@AlejandroLZuvic
@AlejandroLZuvic 3 жыл бұрын
I sincerely congratulate you on the quality of both presentation and content. You mastered at explaining how all this works. I liked how you explained out-of-order execution and the fact is nothing new and all CPUs do this but at the same time explaining exactly where the M1 is different than its competition.
@diskyariajetmiko
@diskyariajetmiko 3 жыл бұрын
"Pls bring back the SD card" Apple: should we remove the thunderbolt entirely and charge the laptop wirelessly?
@tetow2484
@tetow2484 3 жыл бұрын
Its so nice to have someone talk about processors that actually knows something about ISA's microarchitecture
@aaronprindle385
@aaronprindle385 3 жыл бұрын
Incredibly well done, thanks for these!
@chengcao418
@chengcao418 3 жыл бұрын
The content and explanations are exceptionally clear and professional (coming from a technical background in micro architecture), unlike most other media where the core concepts are shoved around and more or less twisted. Great job!
@Touchgrassplz
@Touchgrassplz 3 жыл бұрын
i feel like he's shouting into my ear T_T
@seshpenguin
@seshpenguin 3 жыл бұрын
Probably cause of the echo in the room.
@AaronHilton
@AaronHilton 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, feels like the audio is so insanely compressed that it’s a continual shout. Also, no hold beats to pace the content. Need to let it breath a little.
@utubekullanicisi
@utubekullanicisi 3 жыл бұрын
@@AaronHilton Those are valid complaints. Still though, really enjoyed the content.
@Chris.Wiley.
@Chris.Wiley. 3 жыл бұрын
The content is good, but he really needs to dial back that delivery. Slow down and stop yelling!
@sirkisboy
@sirkisboy 3 жыл бұрын
Too much base
@MaybeSomeoneful
@MaybeSomeoneful 3 жыл бұрын
Very detailed overview, that's what I really like to see
@acoolonthebeat
@acoolonthebeat 3 жыл бұрын
This was the most in-depth video I’ve seen on the M1 macs and I loved it
@amnshumansunil7020
@amnshumansunil7020 3 жыл бұрын
Wow that explanation was detailed af Love it
@noelsantos7850
@noelsantos7850 3 жыл бұрын
This was so incredibly in-depth.. I actually understood some of it
@WesPerry
@WesPerry 3 жыл бұрын
Wow. This was so much better than I thought it would be.
@TheBackwardKid
@TheBackwardKid 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, my M1 mac mini came in earlier this week and my god I love it, it's a gigantic upgrade from my nearly a decade-old hand-me-down Macbook Air.
@rahulshah336
@rahulshah336 3 жыл бұрын
This series is amazing, you guys should spin it off into its own channel!
@NalinKhurb
@NalinKhurb 3 жыл бұрын
Well done on the instruction animations, clears out lots of doubts!
@CTBell-uy7ri
@CTBell-uy7ri 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video bro. Best video on the topic I’ve seen.
@AntonioBarba_TheKaneB
@AntonioBarba_TheKaneB 3 жыл бұрын
the buff -> buffer part made me spill my coffee XD well done!
@arumaakadalamudhan.t9900
@arumaakadalamudhan.t9900 3 жыл бұрын
Clap for the man right here, his way of explanation was just awesome 👌🏻
@Jalae
@Jalae 3 жыл бұрын
ya he's such a great *checks notes* /writer...?/
@HH-mf8qz
@HH-mf8qz 3 жыл бұрын
Dude amazing explanations and very informative!
@Naviss
@Naviss 3 жыл бұрын
Great stuff! More of this guy please. :)
@mgurmgur2
@mgurmgur2 3 жыл бұрын
What a fantastically thorough video - thank you! Instant subscribe to the channel.
@GFClocked
@GFClocked 3 жыл бұрын
This guy is so great I could watch him all day. Seriously, great job. I subscribe just for him.
@ak_hoops
@ak_hoops 3 жыл бұрын
Man this was so dope! Gosh I enjoy Upscaled!!!
@e21big
@e21big 3 жыл бұрын
11:59 cat in the background reflect exactly the attitude of none-apple user
@suntzu1409
@suntzu1409 3 жыл бұрын
I am dying
@MePeterNicholls
@MePeterNicholls 3 жыл бұрын
Great content. One tip though, less compression on your voice would be great
@alwyn7769
@alwyn7769 3 жыл бұрын
Cool bro...cant skip anything of your content so infopacked presentation 🔥
@RegitYouTuber
@RegitYouTuber 3 жыл бұрын
That's an incredible video. So in-depth yet with a couple of re-watches of certain sections a complete tech dinosaur like me was able to cotton onto it
@Rafayel06
@Rafayel06 3 жыл бұрын
This channel is so good, I can't compare it to anything else! It should get more views!!
@MihneaStoian
@MihneaStoian 3 жыл бұрын
Love the M1 Air so far. Got it as a stopgap while waiting for the M1X/2 MBP, but I have to say that the fanless experience is something else, and it's surprisingly capable. As far as the SD card, all on board.
@rajmk3747
@rajmk3747 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your incredible insight on Chips and sharing with all of us .. 👌👍 keep it up
@BrianDavids
@BrianDavids 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video. I appreciate the deep dive.
@AbdulMajeedHamid
@AbdulMajeedHamid 3 жыл бұрын
Now that is what I wanted to know . Great video
@Mechaneer
@Mechaneer 3 жыл бұрын
Well done, thanks for the explanation!
@keithkamps77
@keithkamps77 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. I haven't tried the M1 as of yet, I'm still happy with my current MBP's.
@kartikgarasia5685
@kartikgarasia5685 3 жыл бұрын
This is very well made awesome content!
@kiraphillips5713
@kiraphillips5713 3 жыл бұрын
Another Excellent Upscaled video, I did find this episode a bit intense on the ears though.
@michaeledrian424
@michaeledrian424 3 жыл бұрын
This is what I need!!!!! Thank you for your explanation!
@altairbueno5637
@altairbueno5637 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the deep dive on the architecture
@rajatmann8897
@rajatmann8897 3 жыл бұрын
Best most researched video on m1. Period.
@p4k8g5i7
@p4k8g5i7 3 жыл бұрын
Thank for one more incredible detailed and insightful video. :-)
@alexandermalinovski6306
@alexandermalinovski6306 3 жыл бұрын
I will rewatch this video to understand it better. Thanks for video
@kishores7034
@kishores7034 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent man This is the most awaited tech series on KZfaq Very well put I just felt that you compared the M1 to INTEL chips Hopefully you would also included latest AMD chips too in future Zen 3 deepdive this way is expected from you
@banned_from_eating_cookies
@banned_from_eating_cookies 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. Very informative
@accik
@accik 3 жыл бұрын
Wow new info, good video (apart from audio)!
@dhananjayraje4572
@dhananjayraje4572 3 жыл бұрын
Just wanted to stop a moment and just write this comment to appreciate you about your very in depth research and easy to get explanation. And I like the jokes in between too. Nice work. Keep it up.
@g2h0
@g2h0 3 жыл бұрын
this is the best vid on the m1 that ive been able to find
@arumaakadalamudhan.t9900
@arumaakadalamudhan.t9900 3 жыл бұрын
I alone wrote 4-5 comments for this single vid. Cause it's just 👌🏻 Fun fact: This is my first vid that I'm seeing from this channel. Great work guys.. gg
@SpacedAug
@SpacedAug 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! Audio is a little rough though D :
@TheLegitFew
@TheLegitFew 3 жыл бұрын
3:24 “Oh no, my $899 netbook running at 15 watt TDP and without a fan is only as fast as an i9 9800HK?”…That doesn’t sound like a performance gain that’s been “evaporated away” 🙄
@Yzyenthusiast
@Yzyenthusiast 3 жыл бұрын
lol thats what i was saying haha
@MrAyybee2cold
@MrAyybee2cold 3 жыл бұрын
Lol that made me wanna get a 16 GB M1 Air for photo video editing lol. Things a beast.
@ethangerrard4599
@ethangerrard4599 3 жыл бұрын
This is a superb explanation!
@TaimatCR
@TaimatCR 3 жыл бұрын
Really good video, I learned a lot from it, thank you
@MikesterF1
@MikesterF1 3 жыл бұрын
As someone with almost no understanding of hardware architecture, these videos gave excellent explanations.
@spinnetti
@spinnetti 3 жыл бұрын
Good stuff, thanks. Bonus points for Cat helper :)
@kona328WH
@kona328WH 3 жыл бұрын
Joy to watch A great breakdown
@joel9909
@joel9909 3 жыл бұрын
Great video subscribed!!!!
@rsKayiira
@rsKayiira 3 жыл бұрын
great informative video. A series on photorealism in gaming and the hardware needed to achieve that would be good. memory bandwidth, floating point compute of the GPU, etc.
@tresderan10
@tresderan10 3 жыл бұрын
amazing narrator i guess one of the best out there !!
@michaelknight2342
@michaelknight2342 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Taran
@mandelbro777
@mandelbro777 3 жыл бұрын
Best explanation of CPU mechanics I've seen in quite some time
@DrTarekahmad
@DrTarekahmad 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Thank you
@nyasham1
@nyasham1 3 жыл бұрын
This is very well explained. Thank you
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