The Awesome Engineering Of Land Speed Record Bikes!

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The faired recumbent bicycles used in land speed record attempts are extraordinary pieces of engineering. Ollie visited the Aim93 team at London South Bank University who have been building their own machine to try to break the world record in order to find out more about the work that goes into making the fastest human powered vehicles in the world!
00:00 Intro
00:43 What is a Faired Recumbent?
01:26 How Fast Can They Go?
03:00 Aiming for 93 MPH
04:57 A Novel Drive System
07:30 Training for a World Record
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@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
What’s the fastest you’ve ever gone on two wheels? 🚴💨 Let us know in the comments below! 👇
@My_HandleIs_
@My_HandleIs_ Жыл бұрын
Around 85 km/h, downhill of course
@jascollinscork
@jascollinscork Жыл бұрын
80/85kph once on a Bad local road and vowed never to do it again….. it’s not worth it!! But my head thinks 60kph on a downhill is ok regularly 🤷🏼‍♂️
@aaronpower8741
@aaronpower8741 Жыл бұрын
89km/h. And it was beautiful. It was however on a closed road, good road surface, ideal conditions. It's not something I'd like to do on a normal road.
@runcycleskixc
@runcycleskixc Жыл бұрын
50 mph alone, 55 mph in a pack. Downhill, of course, on California coast with side winds from the Pacific.
@X41N3
@X41N3 Жыл бұрын
around 55km/h with a blast of wind in the back, flat ground
@russellbridge
@russellbridge Жыл бұрын
Thanks to GCN for the video, and good to meet Ollie on the day of filming. A few spec details for my streamliner seventyseven (the blue bike in the film). Target speed: 77mph (hence the name) Actual speed achieved: 73.79mph (twice!) Weight: 35kgs (the lightest BM bikes are down at 21kgs) Gearing - primary drive: 85T chainring to 12-32T ultegra 11 speed stripped down to 9speed (still 12-32T) Gearing - secondary drive: 34T to 17T Wheels: custom made SMC carbon tri spoke, disc-brake wheels, 406 Tyres: Michelin Blue 406x44mm (actually measure at 41mm) - these tyres were initially made for the shell mileage marathon. Crrr somewhere between 0.0021 and 0.0030 depending upon the surface Monocoque shell: carbon fibre / carbon kevlar composite with hex core interlayer Cda: 0.0195 (approx 1/8th of the best TT position) Brake: Front wheel only - TRP dual piston mechanical on 180mm rotor Steering: limited to 5 degrees in each direction Navigation: 2x micro Foxeer 1500TVL drone cameras (90 degree FOV) with a 10” primary screen (with DVR) and 5” backup screen Data: Garmin 520 with speed sensor on rear wheel (gps won’t work through the carbon shell) Bike cost: approx £6k build cost, and £4k in shipping to and from USA Definitely room for improvement, but it was a good privateer entry if I do say so myself. Huge thanks to all of my team for their superhuman efforts to get the bike out there and for support through the week… Happy to answer questions below. It’d be great to get GCN out to BM to cover the event properly…the French team (UIT) stand a really good chance of breaking the world record (89.5mph) this year (‘23) with Francois Pervis riding
@andrewmcalister3462
@andrewmcalister3462 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting the details.
@dylan-5287
@dylan-5287 Жыл бұрын
Dude that's awesome!!! Amazing work. I never realized how interesting recumbent bikes could be.
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
Thanks for letting Ollie sit in the bike Russel! So cool to see all the details laid out like this 👀... We wonder what the GCN community would make of this speed weapon! It's crying out to be in the bike vault 👉gcn.eu/app
@oliverbridgewood3929
@oliverbridgewood3929 Жыл бұрын
so cool!
@w0ttheh3ll
@w0ttheh3ll Жыл бұрын
Hey Russell, why don't you use the legendary michelin radial 45/75R16 tire? Is the blue flange 44-406 better suited for high speeds? What inner tube do you use?
@biggertree7063
@biggertree7063 Жыл бұрын
Finally! A bike that won't ruin Ollie's hair.
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
😂😂
@a1white
@a1white Жыл бұрын
Don’t worry, the silca wax keeps everything in place 😅
@cyclingnerddelux698
@cyclingnerddelux698 Жыл бұрын
Classic!!!😅😅😅
@DemiGod..
@DemiGod.. 3 ай бұрын
Actually it will. He will be so scared at those speeds, his hair will be sticking up like a hedgehog.
@a1white
@a1white Жыл бұрын
I’d love to see a full GCN+ documentary on how they get on at battle mountain. Such an insane event.
@mikemowett7401
@mikemowett7401 Жыл бұрын
Very awesome thank you GCN and Ollie for covering this niche very high end pinnacle of speed event for our sport. I’ve volunteered and competed at Battle Mountain over the past 20 plus years of this events existence. The sharing of information between teams and pushing each other to succeed and break records is awesome during this week long event. By the way it’s University of Toronto’s Excel spreadsheet and some of my footage used in this!
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot Mike, glad you enjoyed it!
@TheFartonfire
@TheFartonfire Жыл бұрын
Could you do more on recumbents/velomobiles? They are interesting bikes 🤔
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
Indeed they are! For some more innovative tech, why not check out our film we made on 3D printed bikes on GCN+! 👉 gcn.eu/3Dprinted
@Rognivald
@Rognivald Жыл бұрын
+ one to that. And good job GCN :)
@user-zu4nl7bm9e
@user-zu4nl7bm9e 9 ай бұрын
No, UCI banned this type of bike, and this channel is the peppy of big brands and UCI. No one paid them for the recumbent contains.
@fiix7026
@fiix7026 7 ай бұрын
@@user-zu4nl7bm9e uci will have to retink the dcision of banning recumbents, I say its the next bike you need to have after the gravel and electric bike craze.
@Ryan-pz2wh
@Ryan-pz2wh Ай бұрын
@@fiix7026UCI works hand in hand with the automotive industry. Had the UCI not banned recumbents, then recumbents would have been made mainstream and mass produced to the consumer which consequently would have led to velomobiles becoming mainstream. We could have had “motorways” just full of human powered velomobiles going at comfortable speeds of 50mph-60mph. I know the idea sounds ridiculous but that’s only because we live in car centric cultures.
@marcjohnson4884
@marcjohnson4884 Жыл бұрын
Love this! This is a great companion to the HPA (human powered aircraft) piece.
@marcjohnson4884
@marcjohnson4884 Жыл бұрын
Would you consider going to Battle Mountain and doing a presentation as its going on?
@MatthewKey
@MatthewKey Жыл бұрын
Great video - as an Engineer in a space agency and a very amateur but enthusiastic cyclist, this was super cool. Also enjoyed the friendly dig at Ken Buckley - I used to sit next to him in physics class :)
@The_Cotswold_Cyclist
@The_Cotswold_Cyclist Жыл бұрын
Brilliant stuff. I'm busy building a velomobile to my own design in my garage which is very soon to be released on the unsuspecting public roads and hopefully take on Ollie on my local 10 mile TT before the season is out. Small problem of collapsed front suspension requiring a redesign at present!
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
Ollie is shaking in his boots 😬
@gregsettle9725
@gregsettle9725 Жыл бұрын
I'm glad to see you guys cover some recumbent content. Great video. Please produce more featuring bent bikes.
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
What should we do on recumbents next? 👀
@kjeldsloot
@kjeldsloot Жыл бұрын
@@gcntech Maybe how the drivechain is a bit different on velomobiles than on roadbikes. (I'm intrested in those differences) And there is a difference with backwheel sizes. From 20 inch to 28 inch. And in fact velomobiles can replace a car when you open minded for them. So for a cycling fan it can be a cheap car. (That is why I ride my velomobile.)
@nerdslikeus6690
@nerdslikeus6690 Жыл бұрын
Do some videos with recumbents drafting in a group ride.
@Alan_Hans__
@Alan_Hans__ Жыл бұрын
I subbed to Russell Bridges channel about a week ago after coming across his 77 build and riding videos. It's 77 as in 77mph.
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
Would you like to see more of Russell on our channel? 👀
@Alan_Hans__
@Alan_Hans__ Жыл бұрын
@@gcntech . Yes I'd love to see more. Watched most of his videos on his channel. Love seeing the recumbent bikes appearing on GCN. RIP Mike Burrows who was working on building his own land speed bike at the time of his death.
@escamunicha4276
@escamunicha4276 Жыл бұрын
Imagine a Grand tour with these bikes. The peloton would look like a bunch of bullets racing
@Guenther-Eichinger
@Guenther-Eichinger Жыл бұрын
Problem is the weight of these bikes, they are heavier than normal roadbikes and not that easy to pedal up a hill. But putting them on an oval racetrack would be interesting 🤔
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
I'd imagine the riders wouldn't be too keen 😂
@SlimOneable
@SlimOneable Жыл бұрын
There is an HPV racing series Down Under. By coincidence, a day ago I just watched a few of their race videos. No scripts, just video. They are three wheeled, larger aero bodies, different classes, and run on closed auto course. Was an interesting short-hour’s studying/entertainment.
@wostrick2259
@wostrick2259 Жыл бұрын
This kind of bike is a KOM hunter...😅
@ghcheong
@ghcheong Жыл бұрын
Time trialling would be really cool on these. But the riders would absolutely hate mountain stages on that.
@davidf2281
@davidf2281 Жыл бұрын
Would love to see more coverage of their progress
@jascollinscork
@jascollinscork Жыл бұрын
This is SICK 🤯🤯🤯 Guy Martin eat your heart out!!
@barrynoob8438
@barrynoob8438 Жыл бұрын
Imagine if the UCI didn’t exist and major bike brands can optimise recumbents in terms of power delivery, comfort and handling, could’ve really revolutionised manpowered human transport if some roads are built around those
@jonyfany8763
@jonyfany8763 Жыл бұрын
They should have a tour de France race with no rules except no motors and no uci rules
@jonyfany8763
@jonyfany8763 Жыл бұрын
Fast bikes are a threat to car manufacturers.
@flashpeter625
@flashpeter625 Жыл бұрын
I don't think one can really do pack road racing on recumbent bicycles, I think the handling is too compromised for that. But I can easily imagine a time trial cup with F1-style competition between manufacturers.
@jonsanchez55
@jonsanchez55 Жыл бұрын
The UCI has no jurisdiction on non competition bikes.
@xmtxx
@xmtxx Жыл бұрын
That's what I've been lamenting on, for years. UCI is ruining it for decades.
@frankharradence732
@frankharradence732 Жыл бұрын
Interesting video, love the technology and engineering aspects, great to see more of this mixed in with the regular bike vids.
@jameslee-pevenhull5087
@jameslee-pevenhull5087 Жыл бұрын
All kudos to Chester Kyle.
@alexanderwalter2700
@alexanderwalter2700 Жыл бұрын
I am really enjoying the video's about recumbent cycle machines, super interesting. Thanks very much GCN.
@StevenNassibian
@StevenNassibian Жыл бұрын
Brilliant video Ollie. Bonkers speed from a human machine, truly amazing.
@haksaw123
@haksaw123 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating stuff. I am glad that there is still enough interest to pursue mechanical engineering problems too there limits. I love this stuff. Thanks Ollie 👍✌
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
People always push the limits of a machine 🙌
@Liryc19
@Liryc19 Жыл бұрын
I love this so much ! When I was in school I had the chance to participate with a teacher in the Shell (boo!) Eco Marathon. It was the same type of vehicles but powered by tiny lawn mower engines. I've been fascinated by tear shape vehicles and the aerodynamics of it all ever since.
@alexseguin5245
@alexseguin5245 Жыл бұрын
They made a mobile game out of that, called Shell Eco Marathon. You drive electric cars in it.
@Guenther-Eichinger
@Guenther-Eichinger Жыл бұрын
I got a velomobile just a few month ago and it is amazing how fast you can get with it. I can get up to 50km/h on flat roads without any problems and keep them for a longer time.
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
Nice! Do you live in a particularly flat area?
@Guenther-Eichinger
@Guenther-Eichinger Жыл бұрын
@@gcntech No, I live in the middle of upper Austria and ob my way to work I have 120m of elevation to climb on the 20km (and 50m more on my way home) That‘s the reason why I put an electric assist in my velomobile which works like an ebike. I get assisted up to 25km/h which is great on uphills.
@touriaznaidi5848
@touriaznaidi5848 Жыл бұрын
Great video! I love it. Wish all the best to riders in the upcomong montain event.
@mstrasser
@mstrasser Жыл бұрын
so cool. would love a GCN+ film on this
@GregCantori
@GregCantori Жыл бұрын
Thank you GCN!!! The USA based Bicycling Magazine has not and will not do a single story (been over 30 years) on Velomobiles much less the human power speed challenge
@bubblesezblonde
@bubblesezblonde Жыл бұрын
I noted that Son-of-Hank's-Dad was shown as if 'in training' for an event...could it be that GCN is planning to attempt to kill him again with another speed challenge?? I really lived seeing that machine in motion. This was a really cool vid Dr. Bridgewood thanks!!!
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
We can't kill off everyone 😉 someone has to make the videos!
@PeakTorque
@PeakTorque Жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed that guys! Cheers
@philheubner8027
@philheubner8027 Жыл бұрын
Can you do a documentary on these guys journey to Battle Mountain and the results
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
How about our film on the Word's rarest bikes?! 👉 gcn.eu/wrb
@user-tq3ud9zi7w
@user-tq3ud9zi7w Жыл бұрын
Very cool video thank you.
@RoScFan
@RoScFan Жыл бұрын
Could you please do some videos on upright faired bicycles? I find it bizarre that this technology is even more obscure than recumbents. Of course, recumbents are extraordinary technology. But up right bicycles that have fairings or are completely encased could allow both incredible speed and allow cycling uphill, which recumbents, to my knowledge, cannot do easily.
@salzhaltigersalzhaufen586
@salzhaltigersalzhaufen586 Жыл бұрын
You should revisit recuitment bicycles more often as they are usually overlooked and people only pay attention to what they see in the big races where these bikes are banned
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
We'd be glad to, we find them very interesting!
@y2kenb
@y2kenb Жыл бұрын
Best of luck to all the team at LSBU! Hope they smash it! 8:38
@oliverbridgewood3929
@oliverbridgewood3929 Жыл бұрын
'THE' ken!
@cb6866
@cb6866 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Doc and crew
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
You're welcome!
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
You're welcome!
@hollenbachhanf9008
@hollenbachhanf9008 4 ай бұрын
Great content for bike enthusiasts...thanks for that...Speedish representation of possibilities ❤ ( only 40mph downhill to answer the question)
@AlexChklar
@AlexChklar Жыл бұрын
Having ridden a recumbent for many many kilometers up and down mountains... I can confirm that riding those things it is so difficult to put down the power! But boy are they fast!
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
They make it seem very easy! 🙌 Do you prefer to ride a push bike or recumbent?
@AlexChklar
@AlexChklar Жыл бұрын
@@gcntech that's a good question... When it is flat those things are unstoppable - even with a trailer and 30kg of baggage I was flying past the roadies... But as soon as I hit an incline... I just wanted to cry. So on average, my roadie background favours a traditional race bike. But they certainly have their place in the right conditions.
@4115steve
@4115steve Жыл бұрын
This was awesome.
@justinshnoogles
@justinshnoogles 28 күн бұрын
really a great expose on the strange world of aerodynamics and the recumbent position. really excited to see where this all goes. human power is amazing. was a bit shocked to see the broccoli headed fellow with a strange glottal stop saying he's going to represent britain. is anybody british now? it's happening here in the US as well.
@frankrizzo367
@frankrizzo367 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting. Those speeds are insane
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
They certainly are! We couldn't imagine doing that on a normal road bike! 😳
@nerdexproject
@nerdexproject Жыл бұрын
I want to see British strongman Eddie "The Beast" in one of those giving his best effort! :D
@wattswheelhouse
@wattswheelhouse Жыл бұрын
The only thing wider than the gulf between 89 to 93 mph, is this video's aspect ratio.
@user-vl7qf7dd3s
@user-vl7qf7dd3s Жыл бұрын
I see the D.TEK recumbents Uk "big blue " optima is going strong as a warm up recumbent for the team 😂
@aim93hpv42
@aim93hpv42 Жыл бұрын
We are super grateful to D.Tek for their support with the beloved Baron - this bike is our essential training tool for our riders - Mozes has been riding it at BHPC races this year
@ethangodridge6833
@ethangodridge6833 Жыл бұрын
Need to get Top Ganna in one of these 😂.
@andrewmcalister3462
@andrewmcalister3462 Жыл бұрын
I came here to post exactly that. 👍
@ericpmoss
@ericpmoss Жыл бұрын
One of the tires I know - the new Schwalbe Pro One TT tubeless that appeared at Eurobike last year. The other appears to be a Michelin…. something. Not sure why no mention was made, after saying how important the tire choice is…
@casualguy393
@casualguy393 Жыл бұрын
Probably Michelin Power Competition.
@hoekie3652
@hoekie3652 Жыл бұрын
Michelin Blue Flange
@georgehugh3455
@georgehugh3455 Жыл бұрын
Not GCN sponsors...
@mnveloguy
@mnveloguy Жыл бұрын
Now imagine taking these concepts and applying them to a bike that can be used on a daily basis. Aerodynamic advantages, but in an usable form. Protection from the soggy English weather. Something you can ride in comfort year-round. That’s a velomobile. Buying one was one of the best investments I’ve ever made.
@AleksiJoensuu
@AleksiJoensuu Жыл бұрын
Aww the graphics at 1:00 have a little Hank in there!
@charlesdanforth
@charlesdanforth Жыл бұрын
This is amazing and looks super-scary. But how do they stop at the end? Is there a team to catch them?
@taufikabidin412
@taufikabidin412 Жыл бұрын
Yes. Thereis a team to launch and team to catch at the start and the end
@ElmarBon
@ElmarBon Жыл бұрын
Pretty interesting they are using an alfine geared hub. I thought the efficiency wasn't good enough for racing
@timscott3027
@timscott3027 Жыл бұрын
I saw that but I guess the trade off in efficiency is worth it for the advantages it brings?
@larrylem3582
@larrylem3582 Жыл бұрын
Some teams used Rohloffs 10 years ago but now the top teams use cassettes that slide (rather than the derailleur moving sideways) to keep the chainline straight.
@aim93hpv42
@aim93hpv42 Жыл бұрын
We are exploring both options - hub and derailleur. We acknowledge the geared hubs lose some efficiency, but when in optimal gear, not so much (which we can then use physical gears either side of to optimise for use in that one at the speeds we need). And that of them all, Rohloff appears to be the best (also most expensive). Shimano Alfine was a cost effective solution for prototype testing the setup. But all the data we have found only shows efficiency testing at road speeds; we are at least doubling those from design spec - possibly, up to a point, making the gears a bit more efficient - we have an efficency test rig set up based on the CeramicSpeed FTT model in which we will be testing this. And as per Tim's comment below, it brings a massive advantage in mechanical assembly / tuning, especially if we need a crossover drive axle anyway, in having a fully contained gear system contained within that, and machined to Shimano or Rohloff's tolerances and QA, which we probably can't achieve in-house. The rig visible in that video is a mock up to enable us to mount that hub onto last year's transmission chassis, so that we can get riding it soon, and tune the ergonomics of the rider position as well.
@beaguitartles
@beaguitartles 9 ай бұрын
You should try shapping the outside like a golf ball to reduce drag
@nigelw.9043
@nigelw.9043 Жыл бұрын
best quote of all: "it's like getting into a toothpaste tube" 🤣🤣
@chrismalloy3494
@chrismalloy3494 Жыл бұрын
I might be sensitive but I think the mob is howling for a GCN presenter at Battle Mountain. You can borrow my velomobile.
@PavelBarbanegra
@PavelBarbanegra Жыл бұрын
What the F!! That green thing there is Soup Dragon by THE (late) Mike Burrows, and not a single word about it aside from the inboard camera mention.
@mikemowett7401
@mikemowett7401 Жыл бұрын
Yes correct. In 2019 it was brought to the speed challenge by London Southbank university and ridden by Russell. However it was a nearly unrideable machine with Burrows original setup. Over the course of just 4 sleepless days and nights the team transformed the inards of the machine from Burrows front wheel drive hub center steering with very limited steering, to a much more controllable rear wheel drive machine with conventional front fork steering. They drove 200 miles to the nearest department store to buy a kids and adult bikes to cut up and use parts. They also borrowed from other teams, bonding and creating stuff. Less than a month before Burrows passed away this year Barney Townsend in this video visited with him and received the latest build from Burrows. The teams all wanted to run tests for him before he passed away.
@djcrownvic7017
@djcrownvic7017 9 ай бұрын
50+ km/h with a roadbike and a trailer downhill. 53Km/h on a roadbike on the flat no wind, 62km/h with a tailwind roadbike 1% or less downhill, and 82km/h on a mountain bike downhill.
@tya04
@tya04 Жыл бұрын
I've no doubt this has already been considered, but why not add a crank to contribute arm strength to the system? Steering could be automated adding a servo and electronics to keep bike centered on a line, which would add weight, but surely more than worth it to put the arms to work?
@nwimpney
@nwimpney 5 ай бұрын
I think rotating weight is still going to be unimportant. You're still storing energy in the peaks of power input, which will reduce losses in the troughs. Even if continuously accelerating, the heavier wheel will just accelerate more smoothly at the same overall rate instead of the rate surging and dipping with each stroke. It'll still have the effect of its raw weight, but the rotational effects mostly cancel out.
@w0ttheh3ll
@w0ttheh3ll Жыл бұрын
6:44 It's not really a bigger problem finding fast tires for the small 20" wheel. Actually, the three best rolling tires ever made are 20" tires. Though some of the fastest road bike competition tires are creeping closer and closer to them.
@francescolarcher1417
@francescolarcher1417 Жыл бұрын
imagine Ganna driving that bike on a 4 min stretch
@emmabird9745
@emmabird9745 Жыл бұрын
A great bit of geekery. More please. What about recumbents for ordinary riding?
@noze02
@noze02 Жыл бұрын
This thing with a Bosch CX Performance motor and you could go over 100mph with around 1kW of power😍😍
@DDeden
@DDeden Жыл бұрын
Human power rules!! Motors are by definition inefficient compared to HPV!
@peterharrington8709
@peterharrington8709 Жыл бұрын
Silica wax AND a couple of Dura Ace chains? Marginal gains!
@Canuck38
@Canuck38 Жыл бұрын
Wondering what the pavement surface is like on Battle Mountain? Are there marginal gains which could be realized if the resources existed to specially prepare the road way? Not sure what would be optimal (budget no object). Polished concrete?
@chrismalloy3494
@chrismalloy3494 Жыл бұрын
The pavement is standard tarmac but kept smooth and well maintained because of this event.
@Canuck38
@Canuck38 Жыл бұрын
Thanks. Wondered if they watched over this stretch of road in any special way or not. Good to know the kind of do.
@larrylem3582
@larrylem3582 Жыл бұрын
@@Canuck38 It's been 10-15 years since the road was repaved. It was okay in 2019 (not great). There were no events in 2020-2021. The road was much worse in 2022. Riders rode in the left lane for most of their runs as it was a little smoother with fewer cracks than the right side. Rolling resistance has gone way up. But it's still fine for motor vehicles, thus there are no plans for repaving at this time.
@noobcyclist1017
@noobcyclist1017 Жыл бұрын
I would love seeing ganna ride one of these😂😂😂
@leissp1
@leissp1 Жыл бұрын
Hank needs to race in the Battle Mountain HPV
@stefmohlmann6679
@stefmohlmann6679 Жыл бұрын
Never getting dropped when you ride this🎉
@Jacksirrom
@Jacksirrom Жыл бұрын
WOW
@w0ttheh3ll
@w0ttheh3ll Жыл бұрын
Aerovelo's Eta (current record holder) might have reached a hundred miles an hour with a longer run-up.
@pascal_raabe
@pascal_raabe Жыл бұрын
I'm ptetty curious why they use a front drivetrain instead of one that is rerouted to the back of the bike since there are the presented issues with having it in the front.
@TerkanTyr
@TerkanTyr Жыл бұрын
I want to see one of these with a 2kW high end electric scooter motor.
@thecrazyhatchemist5051
@thecrazyhatchemist5051 Жыл бұрын
What are the requirements/rules of this challenge...can you use custom components with everything or do you need to use any particular parts as stock (yea I know this is not UCI regulated, luckily, but...are there any constraints)
@jjackson3240
@jjackson3240 9 ай бұрын
The only real constraint is safety features such as helmet, safety harness, possible roll bar. Other than that if you pass the initial safety inspection and can get anything you down the road on the two and a half mile qualifying run, you can use ay thing you want to build the bike. Some of the shift mechanisms actually move the cassette rather than the chain so the chain is always in a straight line for better drive train efficiency. there has been more than one rider that rode head first lying on his back using a mirror to look down the road to see where to ride. This contest is about improving the technology(and riders) to make the bikes go faster.
@MeriaDuck
@MeriaDuck Жыл бұрын
Ellen Vugt was one of the fastest women in this field for years, bought my recumbent bikes (non-faired, I'm just a tourist ;) ) in her / her husbands shop. Lovely small world, and going over 60MPH on human power only without even someone in front keeping one out of the wind[1] must be AWESOME and SCARY as hell. Crashes happen and at that speed and only having the thin epoxy skin of the bike preventing from ones body scraping on the ground, brrrr... [1] In some class of upright records there is a car in front that pulls what is essentially a wall in front of the rider, that of course also goes really fast but the horse power involved in the car is far from nothing.
@PsyKeks
@PsyKeks Жыл бұрын
Wouldn't one of these speedy machines be a great alternative to motorized vehicles for commuting or other kinds of going somewhere? (not inside the city of course…) Maybe even traveling fast and far?
@andrewmcalister3462
@andrewmcalister3462 Жыл бұрын
Commuter bike steered through a camera and video screen. What could possibly go wrong? 😉 Seriously though, it does offer some advantages in terms of weather and distance.
@marsrover001
@marsrover001 Жыл бұрын
I wonder if the tires were metal and the road was a train track that would make things faster? In the pursuit of speed I think anything is fair game, including the material of the road.
@MicahLambert
@MicahLambert Жыл бұрын
I wanna know if they go out for recumbent training rides around the traps like upright cyclists
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
I believe some of them may go training around Richmond Park in London. I'm sure it turns a few heads!
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
I believe some of them may go training around Richmond Park in London. I'm sure it turns a few heads!
@shermer75
@shermer75 Жыл бұрын
If you were in tbe prone position instead of supine could you leversge your body weight for more power? It would be rear wheel drive too, which would solve the steering/chain problem
@ridefree4076
@ridefree4076 Жыл бұрын
no, because body weight never helped anyone get more power down: what goes down must come up... plus, in the prone position you can't really breathe. Or hold your head up.
@clawsoon
@clawsoon Жыл бұрын
I had the same thought a couple of years ago and looked into it. A number of people tried it in the early years, and IIRC it turned out there was a greater aerodynamic penalty from the longer fairing (more surface area in turbulent flow) than there was power gain from the prone position. I think they said something about greater risk of catastrophic steering wobble because of the longer frame, too (lower overall frame stiffness).
@clawsoon
@clawsoon Жыл бұрын
Oh, and there was also the importance of shape. To get maximum laminar flow, which significantly reduces drag, you want the widest point of the fairing to be somewhere around 65-75% back. In a prone position you've got the widest part of your body, your shoulders, up front, so you either have to make the front wider and lose some laminar flow, or you've got to keep widening the fairing behind the shoulders, which makes the whole thing bigger and increases aerodynamic drag by increasing surface area.
@shermer75
@shermer75 Жыл бұрын
@@clawsoon interesting, thanks!
@clawsoon
@clawsoon Жыл бұрын
@@shermer75 No problem, it's an interesting subject!
@serhiinik7646
@serhiinik7646 Жыл бұрын
)) beautiful
@JanneRasanen2
@JanneRasanen2 Жыл бұрын
Traditionally the British recumbents have not competed for the world speed records successfully. In credit for the bike that Ollie sat in the real is more scientific than the previous generation presented here. But what do I know as a Nordic champion, who adviced the fellow countrywoman engineeress on the record holding Dutch bike. The seat responsible engineeress is Finnish like me.
@MarrafaCycling
@MarrafaCycling Жыл бұрын
Very interesting content! How much money is involved to realise this project?
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
We didn't ask but probably quite a bit! 😳
@MarrafaCycling
@MarrafaCycling Жыл бұрын
@@gcntech 😅👍
@larrylem3582
@larrylem3582 Жыл бұрын
See Russell's comment (description of his vehicle)
@aim93hpv42
@aim93hpv42 Жыл бұрын
Completely ignoring costs of bike development, design and build in both human hours, space and manufacturing resources, and materials, it costs something around £20k to take a team of 8-10 people including rider to WHPSC in Nevada, when you factor in flights, motels, shipping of bike, food, vehicle rental and fuel. London South Bank University have been incredibly generous in supporting this in our trips so far, but the pot is not bottomless, and we of course welcome any further financial support from sponsors to help with this and the general longevity of this project.
@TomaszChrapek
@TomaszChrapek Жыл бұрын
More fairings(!) and more UCI-alternatives on this channel please. So instead of arguing about sock length we could actually push our human abilities forward.
@jameswitte5676
@jameswitte5676 Жыл бұрын
How does ventilation work? Especially in the desert in Nevada, USA.
@woife01
@woife01 Жыл бұрын
pre cooling and some ice and the race is over in 5 minutes ventilation make you slow (they get a little bit of fresh air from the wheel well, mostly to breath)
@larrylem3582
@larrylem3582 Жыл бұрын
It's different in each of the bikes. The fast folks shroud their wheels within the fairing and use the tires as pumps to direct air to either the rider's face or to a breathing mask. Or a rider will use a mask, breathe in cockpit ambient air and exhale out of the mask overboard. The difficulty is that the speeds reached at Battle Mountain are much higher than achieved during development testing at home. Thus, the fastest vehicles are usually the ones that only make minor changes each year rather than starting from scratch.
@jameswitte5676
@jameswitte5676 Жыл бұрын
@@larrylem3582 Thanks
@nigeldepledge3790
@nigeldepledge3790 Жыл бұрын
So, how do they solve the rolling resistance / rotating weight issues? Or is it all secret?
@larrylem3582
@larrylem3582 Жыл бұрын
Rotating weight is not really an issue. I don't know why that was brought up. Teams look for the lowest RR tires that are available in the size of wheel that they plan on running. (Sometimes, available tires dictate the wheel size) The fastest tires are in 700c but they require really long legs to straddle the wheel. There are some uncommon tires in size 406 with low RR, Blue Flange Michelin solar car tires, Schwalbe or Conti will make a special run of low RR tires. The current record was set on special 650c Conti 4000 S2. I think they left out the puncture resistance belt.
@MichielvanderMeulen
@MichielvanderMeulen Жыл бұрын
It feels like the drive system could be smarter than two chains and stuff. And suspension would help too.
@andrewjones2042
@andrewjones2042 5 ай бұрын
I want one to drive to work. Where can I get one?
@maudclaud6132
@maudclaud6132 5 ай бұрын
I’m no engineer, but could you use a flywheel to store the energy and help to keep it more stable?
@James-zu1ij
@James-zu1ij Жыл бұрын
Why have the camera on a stalk? and are they going to use a textured finish at the back to keep the air flow attached, then there wouldn't be any rough air at the back for the camera to hide in.
@johne7100
@johne7100 Жыл бұрын
I wanted to see Ollie getting OUT of that blue bike again.
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure anyone wants to see that 😳
@thomas316
@thomas316 8 ай бұрын
Would an upright bike be faster if it has a streamlined body shell?
@Rognivald
@Rognivald 8 ай бұрын
Of course, search Google for a graphic for an example. Of course, these bikes were not as fast as enclosed recumbent bikes, but the difference in favor of the fairing was still significant. It all comes down to how the fairing is made, not knowing what you're doing can worsen the aerodynamics. On Pintrest, after entering bicycle fairing, you also have a lot of interesting examples.
@njm3211
@njm3211 Жыл бұрын
Window? Viewing port maybe?
@gur262
@gur262 Жыл бұрын
It's insane that we drive around in 1+ tons with 100+hp, when 5 are way more than enough to get 80mph.
@hornetluca
@hornetluca Жыл бұрын
2:02 what what what?
@umemuuli2778
@umemuuli2778 Жыл бұрын
Imagine using km/h instead of mi/h 😱😱 Rule24
@wonkygaestgl7390
@wonkygaestgl7390 Жыл бұрын
When does Mozes train at regents? Would love to see him there
@aim93hpv42
@aim93hpv42 Жыл бұрын
Sporadically, when we can get the kit there and the time available, but we are planning to be there more often this summer. Spectators / supporters / generally interested parties very welcome. We'll try to post on socials next time we intend to go
@aim93hpv42
@aim93hpv42 Жыл бұрын
We'll have that new rig with the Alfine XO drive there next time hopefully too
@crazymulgogi
@crazymulgogi Жыл бұрын
You can spot some of those "bullet bikes" occasionally where I live and I'm always impressed at how fast they go just on a regular cycling path.
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
🚀😳
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
🚀😳
@pjclinch00
@pjclinch00 Жыл бұрын
Great vid, really good that GCN don't take a UCI-esque view of recumbents!
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
😂😂
29 күн бұрын
imagine a 2000w sprint in that thing
@Greenfoxbro
@Greenfoxbro 6 ай бұрын
Imagine if they rode these at the tour😂
@Paganiproductions84
@Paganiproductions84 Жыл бұрын
faired recruitment bicycles they schould make offroad version maby for some gravel racing
@bobbyellis5006
@bobbyellis5006 6 ай бұрын
Someone get Wout Van Aert to these people.
@aaronedgeart
@aaronedgeart Жыл бұрын
Awe. Some.
@jamesmoros1274
@jamesmoros1274 Жыл бұрын
We race them in Adelaide South Australia 😊
@gcntech
@gcntech Жыл бұрын
Nice! What are the roads like round there that you take them on?
@jamesmoros1274
@jamesmoros1274 Жыл бұрын
@@gcntech it is an old car race track, and the organisers take them around the country for the HPV races. However you do see the occasional one on the Rd, overtaking the local weekend Lycra squad especially the TT chaps that usually Cruze in that fast 40-50km speed zone, great fun they are to watch and try, if anything a little claustrophobic ☺️
@KarlOnSea
@KarlOnSea Жыл бұрын
No mention of the late Mike Burrows???
@aim93hpv42
@aim93hpv42 Жыл бұрын
There was plenty of mention of Mike Burrows in the discussion that day of filming; he was a massive influence and inspiration to us, and the green shell featured in the video was his latest revision of the Soup Dragon which he donated to our project before he passed away. His name obviously didn't make the cut in the GCN edit, but we fully recognise his impact and influence - and miss him greatly
@bytesandbikes
@bytesandbikes Жыл бұрын
Crazy to think that a motorcycle going these speeds is using about 15'000 Watts to do it!
@clawsoon
@clawsoon Жыл бұрын
Now you've got me wondering how insane a recumbent faired motorcycle would be.
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