The Awesome Reason Why My MS-DOS Gaming PC Needs a Pentium MMX CPU Upgrade!

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The Awesome Reason Why My MS-DOS Gaming PC Needs a Pentium MMX Cpu Upgrade!
I love this MS-DOS Pentium build! It is a great MS DOS 6.2 gaming PC based on the Philscomputerlab time machine concept. But I need a better CPU with MMX Instructions. So lets benchmark and swap cpu's!
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@philscomputerlab Жыл бұрын

The really cool feature of the MMX is that it has special methods to slow it down with SETMUL utility. That way you can run older games that otherwise would run way too fast 🙂

Жыл бұрын

good!

@xandrop Жыл бұрын

Are you all members of some secret retro PC spy organization?

@maxmuster7003 Жыл бұрын

Bad programming style. The timer chip exist since the first PC.

@trash_miner 8 ай бұрын

Its a great discovery! I built a mmx system based on your recs and its been fantastic

@7828191 7 ай бұрын

You can use rubber feat, piece or pieces to keep the card from sagging. I used that method for my Ultrasound max v1.

@CYON4D Жыл бұрын

Beautiful PC. You should really try the amazing 3D tech demo called Into The Shadows made by Triton in 1995. That's the most impressive 3D DOS demo I have ever seen. Too bad the game was cancelled and never made it to the stores.

@boydpukalo8980 Жыл бұрын

Pretty cool video. Trip down memory lane, a time when things were simpler, but technology advancing at blistering speeds, and life was a bit slower and relaxed. I honestly miss those times.

@victorbart Жыл бұрын

So true!

@OLDROBOT Жыл бұрын

After long time games with retro hardware, i agree with 200mmx/430tx is the best combo for dos games. Its cheap, easy find, no simm72 ram shit, have fast pci and lots of ISA. Minimum soft and glitches, easy configure and you got 386 from it by cpu cache disable. I use it my permanent retro setup on everyday. I recomend add to you system Promise FastTrackTX100 or 133 adapter, to reduce CPU load with disk operation and get superb hdd speed (i dont use heretic CF shit).

@-MrDontCare- Жыл бұрын

Ahh, Norton Commander, it was a must in the DOS days. Today I use Total Commander.

@SaraMorgan-ym6ue 2 ай бұрын

back before Norton started really eating up all your computers resources🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@va4cqd Жыл бұрын

Yay. A new Victor Bart video

@jasmijndekkers 8 ай бұрын

Nice computer system with a great upgrade. Keep up the good work Victor Bart. Greetings from Steven from the Netherlands

@bundesautobahn7 Жыл бұрын

I think I remember that sliding door. It reminds me a bit of the Colani tower we had as our 486 DX2-66 from Highscreen. There used to be a Vobis store near the CCH in Hamburg, by the Finnlandhaus.

@weepingscorpion8739 Жыл бұрын

*sigh* an MT-32... the device that keeps eluding me... great machine, Victor

@euclideszoto997 Жыл бұрын

I am in AWE!!! What an incredible build!

@lordwiadro83 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for bringing up the Heaven 7 demo... Wow, it has been over 20 years since I watched it. It is still amazing. Too bad it did not run properly.

@looks-suspicious Жыл бұрын

Parts of the case look very yellow and could use some retrobrighting. The hardware itself is amazing though. Maybe you could swap the spinning rust for a DOM or SSD, if the noise from the HDD spindle annoys you? The extra PCI slot could fit a SATA controller (I use a Silicon Image 3114 in SATA-only mode).

@BennyTygohome Жыл бұрын

Cool project!

@michaelmcconnell7302 9 ай бұрын

I knew exactly what was coming the Second Reality started. What a dose of nostaligia.

@Duchovicius1983 5 ай бұрын

Of course You need it. Between 1996-1998 there were still some games which people launched not from Windows but - for instance - DOS Navigator. Comanche 3, Armored Fist 2, Quake, PowerSlave, Advanced Tactical Fighters or Blood. These games were quite demanding and a strong CPU was necessery. And of course it was possible to play these without Windows crap😅

@boydpukalo8980 Жыл бұрын

Oh-you could clean the monitor screen!

@victorbart Жыл бұрын

I did it to get extra comments :D

@dabombinablemi6188 Жыл бұрын

Looking at the machine before you open it - you probably have the CD drive in the second slot so that you can run the zip drive off the same cable. My Windows 95/DOS machine came with a single 128MB stick (which was dead) but I decided to go with 2x 32MB PC66 sticks that came with its replacement "PII 233", as every other functional stick I have is PC133, and also 128MB+. I've found that a Pentium II 233 (or a 350 standing in for one) to be excellent for DOS game compatibility. The couple of speed sensitive games I have (outright refuse to run on anything faster) work well, and even Unreal and UT are playable (and enjoyable) with the Riva TNT and Voodoo2 that came with the system. Still want the OG PII in the machine though, as the case has the PII MMX sticker it came with. By coincidence it has also been my most trouble-free retro PC, beyond occasional motherboard capacitor failures (PSU is fine as it's a 145W FSP unit from a Voodoo3/PIII 650 Packard Bell).

@NavJack27gaming Жыл бұрын

very cool time machine of a computer. i got no ideas for further improvement to this. i'm kinda not feelin' the complexity of adding / configuring networking on it but that could be interesting like you said. maybe seeking out more demos / games that use MMX now to show off? like, i think Rebel Moon Rising was an Intel MMX showcase? there's gotta be more even if they are just like, not really using the instruction set fully and just are cpu flag gated. i'm sure you could find things that for whatever reason are faster on this MMX CPU compared to a similar clocked non-MMX. maybe a 3D-NOW vs MMX video? you got some directions you can go with showing off or software but really not any direction for perfection because you've already reached it ;-)

@maciekzockt4899 Жыл бұрын

Nice and Very fast machine, i have a 200 MMX Pentium with 64 MB-RAM and Windows 95 on in. For Win31x and Dos i look for a 486.. with a turbo option but today the prices are really high..

@Trancelistic Жыл бұрын

Goedenmorgen:)

Жыл бұрын

great t-shirt p4 man !

@maxmuster7003 Жыл бұрын

My last DOS PC was an Intel Core2quad@2700 mhz, 8 gb DDR2 with Radeon 7950 PCIe ready to startup all cores and switch into 64 bit mode from DOS. Booting MS DOS 6.22 from 2 gb USB-stick or selfmade Boot-CD with MS DOS 6.22.

@MotownBatman Жыл бұрын

I never really used Zip Disk, They were new in High School, I was poor, and so was our school (Kid Rock High Class of '01) a few years later, 2k3+ I was still using Large Format Tape Drives for Daily & Weekly Backups I always wanted one for my Trash picked White box when they first came out, I always wanted to attempt different OS's Booting from different Disks. I LOVED DOORS! I had a Sweet PII Gateway Tower, that I Implanted a Duall PIII Motherboard as my Work Quake III Server for Lunch time lol

@TecHouseInternet 6 ай бұрын

very good

@raccoon681 5 ай бұрын

I have a i200 cpu should i look to replace it with a mmx 166 or 200 im trying to run dos and early windows 95 games

@wdd6864 Жыл бұрын

I would try a faster video card if you have one. Matrox was great for 2D

@explorer9049 22 сағат бұрын

this pc needs the PICOgus sound card then run second reality again. then again, that Sound Blaster is already a good card for that demo.

@christiangroenheide1341 3 ай бұрын

Jij kon een klasgenoot van me zijn geweest. Mooie tijden man.... zo mooie herinneringen aan.... Ideeen om dit systeem aan te passen? De stof eraf halen en wat peroxide om hem splinternieuw te laten uit zien. Buiten dat... dit is plaatsverspilling... een raspberry pi 5 maakt gehakt van dit systeem. Stil, heeft hdmi poort. En kan ook andere systemen emuleren zoals Amiga.

@henson2k Жыл бұрын

Pentium MMX CPU was in first PC I've bought in 1998

@gttarus1 Жыл бұрын

Your dancing is going to start the 16 bit dance party to go with Adrians 8 bit dance party.

@eelco25 Жыл бұрын

Nice video,, look likes your monitor is very dusty ?

@victorbart Жыл бұрын

😆

@Mr_Meowingtons 16 күн бұрын

where do i download them demos?

@maxmuster7003 Жыл бұрын

Which DOS-executable use MMX?

@yorgle11 Жыл бұрын

I had that same blinking monitor issue with an LCD when attached to a Diamond S3 Virge card in DOS. The monitor was a 1280x1024 TN panel and supported 60-75Hz, so the 70Hz Vsync in DOS was supported, but for some reason it didn't get along with that card. I don't remember which other video cards it did and didn't like. It seems like an issue that can happen sometimes with video cards that predate LCD monitors. LCDs are more picky about the signal than CRTs. == Just a warning for anybody who doesn't know: This motherboard has a jumperless setup so that was indeed a simple CPU upgrade. But in general - most socket 7 boards need jumpers reconfigured when you do this. Classic Pentium, MMX, Cyrix, AMD chips all have different voltage requirements and draw different amounts of power from the split voltage rails - so if you don't check the manual for correct jumper settings, bad things can happen on those boards. It was probably the confusion of this period that led to the jumperless, automatic setup that Pentium 2 natively supported. Socket 7 CPUs don't have a signal indicating their voltage requirements, but apparently this board has some trick for figuring that out.

@fredrik999z 4 ай бұрын

Looks like a Tektra motherboard, if it is 430TX chipset it should have USB 1.1 ports so you can use memory stick in Windows 98.

@dj_noxxie Жыл бұрын

Perfection would be to put the cd drive in the first slot

@PrestissimoMasterStation Жыл бұрын

You Are Cordially Invited to Celebrate the 25th Anniversary of Microsoft Windows 98!!!

@chiel340 Жыл бұрын

@Victor Bart, you need to clean your're screen :-) Every where is dust :P But awesome timecapsule!

@user-zb9lv3gh8s 7 ай бұрын

It's period correct dust though

@rico8911 2 ай бұрын

vroeger zo veel weg gegooid wat me nu gelukkig zou maken inclusief een voodoo 2 kaart zeer recent een 166 gekregen

@abx42 Жыл бұрын

I still use Zipdisks. I encrypt the data and then hide it on the zip disk. It's ever better if you change the name and file extension....

@euclideszoto997 Жыл бұрын

I use Netscape Gold 3.0 with my network on the internet.

@detmer87 Жыл бұрын

What about 75MHz bus speed?😊

@victorbart Жыл бұрын

for dos we dont ened overclocking! undeerclocking :D But it could work

@RoyHess666 Жыл бұрын

woah, clean your screen!

@mattparker9726 Жыл бұрын

Pain?? What pain? PFFFFT. Pentium 4 is super cool, I don't care what names you call it. I like it.

@soylentgreenb Жыл бұрын

MMX was a pretty bad idea. It aliases onto the FPU registers. You have to choose between FPU and MMX and switching is slow. This is why almost nobody used MMX for anything. Fun fact about MMX, intel billed it as something which would enable VR (!) on PC. There were even some games which tried to do "VR", it was just an HMD without head tracking.

@jrherita Жыл бұрын

MMX definitely had it's flaws.. though I think it was the first major extension of the 32-bit x86 ISA so it was bound to have issues. The Pentium MMX OTOH wasn't a bad chip - it was definitely clocking higher than regular Pentium thanks to newer processes, and also the double L1 cache helped performance decently at the same clock speed.

@maxmuster7003 Жыл бұрын

I used MMX in DOS for 64 bit copy routines.

@christiangroenheide1341 3 ай бұрын

Het ziet er behoorlijk retro uit. Maar het een peroxide behandeling te geven kan misschien geen kwaad. Brengt zoveel herinneringen terug aan Lan parties in de 90's. Deed toen ict opleiding en met mede studenten altijd Lannen. Geen atx board? Atx was toen toch al Standaard??

@Ron_at_Home Жыл бұрын

you have one empty 5 1/4 slot! You must find something else to fill it!

@ran2wild370 Жыл бұрын

Well, this is the lowest level PC you should have to catch with late 80s- late 90s software, then PentiumIII goes on top and Core2DUO finishes the historic line

@skynetcybersystem3tech Жыл бұрын

👍👍

@ellenorbjornsdottir1166 Жыл бұрын

PC demos are weird to me. I associate demos with 68k and other such machines, not 80x86.

@MrBenkenove Жыл бұрын

Monkey Island!!! :)

@ronjatter Жыл бұрын

Hello I enjoy when you dance thank you

@captbaldo Жыл бұрын

I like how he says this system is so much better then a p4 because it just works then the monitor proceeds to black out randomly because it just works right lol. Your p4 bias is funny