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What is this sorcery

I remember watching that scene in the movie Cleopatra and feeling so embarrassed for Anthony.

I'm guessing you're a member with early access?

He should've checked with Tribune Aquila before he jumped ship

Bros before hoes

Then he points at the numerous beautiful fountains across the street

Livia can't even be mad. She knows, like everyone else, that Agrippa is the best wingman ever.

That sounds like something out of an Oversimplified video

We knew the relationship is not romantical as Octavian kept sending him away to fight barbarians while he sat on his bed and contemplating

They're ultimately his employees, not his family

When I watched Cleopatra, I was so mad at how Anthony treated Martin Landau's character (I'm a big Martin Landau and Classic Mission Impossible fan).

When I watched Cleopatra, I was so mad at how Anthony treated Martin Landau's character (I'm a big Martin Landau and Classic Mission Impossible fan).

When I watched Cleopatra, I was so mad at how Anthony treated Martin Landau's character (I'm a big Martin Landau and Classic Mission Impossible fan).

When I watched Cleopatra, I was so mad at how Anthony treated Martin Landau's character (I'm a big Martin Landau and Classic Mission Impossible fan).

Octavian must have been an absolute genius to succeed and survive to old age. Caesar could have chosen anyone to inheret and succeed him. However he picked correctly that an extremely young Octavian would have the brains, charisma, and political skill to take over from him. Octavian was a chess player of politics and Agripa was also a genius of war and technology. Probably why they were such good friends.

@@hamishbiggswe could make a show out of this

The only other example I can think of is Belisarius, but politics was so corroded by then that the emperor simply could not believe a general could be so talented AND loyal. He had a second Agrippa in his hands, but treated him like trash. :(

Do you know how long Agrippa survived after that battle ?

@@antonius_006 a LOT. He had a long life after that battle and died peacefully a few years before Octavian himself (who himself died more than 70 years old).

Together the pair really were unbeatable.

Having a trustworthy lieutenant is one of a ruler's greatest force multipliers.

Issue is that this was a special exemption for Agrippa. Aside from him, there are multiple stories of men Octavian, or should I say Augustus, had exiled, killed or otherwise removed due to his own shaky position and fear that their competence may outshine him. Many members of the Claudius, Junius and Cornelius gens met his wrath, a lot of them being exiled or killed on trumped up charges of being lovers of his daughter Julia. Something I find unforgivable was his mistreatment of Tiberius. Augustus knew Tiberius to be the most capable of being the next Princeps; a great military commander, a skilled diplomat and orator, very well educated and cultured and quite charming when he needed to be to boot. Yet, Tiberius was treated like the shit beneath his boot, with men like Drusus the Elder and Agrippa Posthumus and even children like Gaius and Lucius being favored. Only reason Tiberius got the throne in the end was cause they all died.

He also awarded him appropriately by integrating him into his family, and making his children part of the royal line. Agrippa's loyalty was assured, and maybe Octavian recognized a man who was talented but not overly-ambitious. If this were the 2nd century AD, Agrippa would have been emperor in no time.

I mean, it’s pretty easy to pick the best man for the job when Agrippa is available.

Actually that's what happened: Antony forgot to ask Tribune Aquila before going into battle.

@@colinmerritt7645 I doubt he'd have said yes considering he was killed by Anthony's army at Mutina.

Did Tribune Aquila agree to this comment?

@@MSNL123 I don't think so.

If the Egyptian ships attacked the center or reenforced the right it might have ended up different

Octavian being proclaimed Caesar's heir is a factor too. It wasn't all in Antony's hands.

Read Plutarch's description of the extremely lavish and decadent lifestyle that Antony lived in Cleopatra's court at Alexandria. Decadence will undo even the toughest soldier.

@@therealestg9 I've read Plutarch's life of Antony, I know this. I'm just saying, Caesar proclaiming Octavian his heir played a role in Antony's downfall, so not everything depends on Antony as to "where it all went wrong". He overcame all of his enemies in Rome before Octavian showed up.

@@therealestg9 That was part of Octavian's propaganda to discredit Anthony and turn Rome against him before even engaging him into battle.

Sucks to suck

*Octavian falls asleep from boredom.

SPOILER : I used to feel a bit baffled that Augustus' name was not as well remembered as Caesar even though he was the first emperor of Rome. Now I know it was entirely deserved.

Antony wasn't as smart as he thought he was. That was his worst trait as a leader.

@MenwithHill When Roman Empire still existed Augustus was more prominent that Caesar (not that he was exactly forgotten). But after Caesar got more appreciated for his writings and later on for his character (and then critiqued more when democracies became fashionable).

​@@zehsackett6132 Who is saying It, a Strategist that is thinking is smarter ? 😂

At least he gets the credit for The Pantheon in Rome. A beautiful temple now a church.

@@alanpennie8013 the barbarians destroyed and spat on his face by using it as a church! Christian brutes.

Damn straight. ROME HBO makes him seem docile and Octavian's bitch. He was the number one, at being second

Yeah I had to go get a degree in history to finally hear the story of Agrippa’s badassery. Peeps oughta know! Seriously underrated dude.

Yeah Historia Civilis isn't a big fan of Octavian

Are we sure he wasn’t just a time traveler that knew Latin? His thought process is at least 1900 years ahead of his time. /s

He had a firm grip on things. LOL

" *how much of a genius Aggripa was* " Pompei "won" the war of logistics against Caesar just as, if not more convincingly. The actual genius managed to turn it all around, like he was fond of doing, over and over again. That's how a genius in action looks. Agrippa was good. If he was a genius, he was hiding it well.

my opinion of Aggripa was that he was a very competent commander in a time of bad commanders. that's just my opinion.

@@bakters could you give some examples?

I think he realised this from the beginning. He was never interested in military glory or a triumph only in getting the job done.

Wisdom is surrounding yourself with people who know more than you do.

yea i think octavian and agrippa should kiss

@@IDontKnow-dl3lq They are the bisected soul from Plato's Symposium. Reunited they would be the bestest human.

@@alanpennie8013 'bestest human' you mean like julius caesar?

Not realy plot armor just a diffrent set of skills. He was not the general his uncle was, but Octavian was far better at propaganda and placating the Roman public than Ceasar, who was a bit to vain for his own good. Second Octavian made sure his enemies stayed dead and potential threats were dealt with. Brutal and sociopathic but also effective. Ceasars clemency probably caused his downfall. Lastly Marc Anthony might have been the worst politician of the age. If he was not winning on the battlefield or shielded by Ceasar he was done.

@@KKKKKKK777js Bibulus took that personally.

@@TheShadowOfMars Eh Bibulus was a fine fairly creative Optimate obstructionist. Not realy his fault his coconsul was a freaking bulldoser. Not even Cato himself could probably stop Ceasar as consol. Anthony meanwhile lost control of Rome all on his own. And he did it twice while in position of power.

​@@TheShadowOfMars Bibilus was facing none other than Caesar himself, while Anthony was being backed by none other than Caesar himself. That's the difference between the two.

Look, the writers (God? I guess?) were really tired after coming up with all that epic drama for Julius Caesar and Pompey and fun supporting characters like Crassus. They knew they needed to wrap this arc up so they gave the MC a little too much plot armor. It occasionally happens. Like when they needed Napoleon to fight his final battle for the sequel to his conquest of Europe, so just had all the French soldiers immediately switch to his side when they had been order to arrest him.

Octavian would have gotten nowhere without Agrippa imo

rom com of the century

​@@mokithepepe2454Roman Companionship

What

@@Serocco And vice versa, Agrippa was great at war but politics was Octavians game.

Agreed. Never ignore your supply lines. A battle south would have changed the entire battlefield and do much to save his supplies.., or... maybe come in from the other side of Greece? A shipping delay yes.. but superior to giving the enemy your fleet to use against you.

Marching south was an equally bad option. What Antonius was doing was engaging Octavian in Fabian tactics. Unsuccessfully so, thanks to Agrippa, but allowing Octavian to seize the port while he marched out to chase what were essentially pirates with a land army would have been ludicrous. I think that, had he pushed for a decisive naval battle from the beginning, he would have been successful, but it seems Cleopatra was firmly against risking her navy on that and for whatever reason Antonius wouldn’t push the issue even when the alternative was so much riskier. The battle that eventually does ensue is indecisive right up to the moment Cleopatra and Antonius bravely run away away, and the men they deserted promptly return the favour.

@@CycahhaCepreebha still, the rest of Anthony's warship just sat there and let Agrippa molest their supplier line from the Greek bases. If Anthony sent some of his warships to blockage Agrippa base, and part of his land force down south to dislodge these pirate, Anthony could - at the very least - keep Agrippa in the South, away from the main showdown where Anthony actually have a advantage in battle-experience.

if you notice he had lost the Parthian campaign a few years earlier exactly in the same way.

He could’ve at least sent his warships to escort his supply ships in a convoy, maybe with a supply base in Crete where they’d be escorted the rest of the way

EHEM and space scooter sounds

Cleopatra and Anthony dismantled Anthony's power structure in the east.

@@thesammy78ify ...by the good old strategy of being greedy goofballs

Antony looked like a complete sucker. He really needed his enemies to make a mistake to give him an opportunity, but they never did. "As someone long prepared for the occasion, In full command of every plan you wrecked. Do not seek a coward's explanation, That hides between the cause and the effect."

Antony was always kind of a chump though, Cicero basically had him nailed dead to rights as an enemy of Rome before Octavian allied with him.

@@Colddirector a goof even before turning to abject simping.

Like Father like Son

The republic arguably ended when Marius abolished the militia in favour of a professional, standing army. After this Rome was dominated by one warlord after the other, and the interregnums were so stifled by the oligarchal tendencies of the optimates that no meaningful politics could take place. Caesar's dictatorship was in many ways an attempt to revive the republic, it was this threat of losing power to upstarts and "foreigners" that primarily drove the conspiracy to murder him.

There is still Alexander’s saga and the Punic Wars

@@HaloFTW55 Absolutely, it just feels like the roman republic meeting its end is the end of an era for the channel.

@@HaloFTW55 Alexander is covered so much it would be a waste of time.

@@PRubin-rh4sr yeah, it'll be better if they cover the Rise of Achaemenid instead. Almost every channel had done Alexander's saga but almost none done the Rise of the Achaemenid Empire in detailed manner like they do with the Alexander one.

Marty McFly may look eerily like Agrippa.

If stonework’s is going to recreate this battle in Minecraft, I wouldn’t be surprised, keep up the great work!

yo didnt expect to see you here! good taste in history youtubers

that dude desrves a Temple!

Nice

Stoney comes in with the cool beard

(He’s A Pirate intensifies)

The Sci-Fi sound effect is really apt for Agrippa - he was decades ahead of his contemporaries in many regards, it's just difficult to see when the difference is "can use his eyes to navigate without a coastline in sight". It seems so much of a given to us that it doesn't feel like a huge "technology" jump (or rather know-how), but it totally reshaped the naval strategem.

Yar plunder the Egyptians

pirates of the ancient Mediterranean "you'll remember this day as the day you almost caught the great pirate sextus Pompeus!" *they capture him immediately after*

@@lorefox201 D'oh!

Sounds like a good theory.

I want an Agripplushie, I don't care if it is a low-quality red cube.

@@santigamerprogamer6493 with sailor hat

@@santigamerprogamer6493 Agripplushie

@@lkcdarzadix6216 And a sound circuit with the scooter effect

@@hagamapama and the UFO

shame that show portrayed Agrippa so poorly

@@bymafia2606 they barely showed him, other than worth Octavia

@@jtgd wtf

@@bymafia2606 The portrayal of Cicero in that show is criminal. I have to argue Cicero's virtues with my friends all of the time, because that show portrays him as a conniving Machiavellian with no principles or strength of character.

@@bymafia2606 Have you watched Augustus: The First Emperor? I think it portrays them pretty well.

Even before Octavian unofficially became the emperor (he still pretended he has restored the Republic during his life) their relationship was like a king and his general. Agrippa wasn’t from a family back round where it would have been possible for him to take charge, and Octavian was Caesar’s heir.

“Never outshine the master” I hope Han Xin would learn something about that too!

Antony’s biggest blunder was chasing after Octavian, then on top of that waiting whilst receiving no supply. Generals “wait and see” are historically the worst kind specially in situations that rely on time.

It’s never a good move to allow someone to disturb your supplies, Antonius should have known that and moved to South. I assume he was too focused on Octavian as a person.

I like this explaination. It's a bit maddening not knowing the answer though. So much plot left unanswered. Was Antony betrayed? Was he the betrayer? It's wild. All the possible character development and we're left, essentially, on a "decide for yourself" cliff hanger.

Cleopatra is one sneaky woman.

100% agree. I think to Antony it was always supposed to be a last ditch flight, but Cleopatra took off as soon as there was an opening. Antony's jumping ship had to be an emotional response, one that he immediately regretted once he had a chance to cool down. By then it was too late of course. Antony was despondent because he knew that he and Cleopatra had just doomed their cause. Being seen by everyone in the battle to chase after a woman and abandon his men is probably the worst thing a Roman commander could possibly do in a society that had such strong views on masculinity. It confirmed every slander Octavian had flung at Antony and he knew it.

I think this is well said - Cleopatra clearly broke the plan somehow due to her own idea of how the battle was going (which was quite likely accurate) but even Antony wouldn't have missed the fact that she had sails still, and Cleopatra wouldn't have completely betrayed him at random, because it would have doomed her. So it must be that Cleopatra was doing something at least close to their original plan, but with at least one significant difference, which explains both Antony's hasty escape and his silence towards her afterwards, and also makes it more clear how either of them thought it was a good idea for a second, because the way it turned out was only ever going to piss off Antony's men, but something more intentional in either direction would have gone over better.

let's be real, Cleopatra got annoyed at her puppet Anthony being unable to win the war for her and decided to bail leaving him and all his men to die. Anthony realized and took to pursue. Once he got on the ship he didn't talk with her because he had finally realized that Octavian was right, about the donations, about his actual wife and etc, and she had used him for years as her simp only to discard him when he was no longer useful. Eventually she'll have him commit suicide and try to pull the same tricks on Octavian too, her failure leading her too to the asp, and poor innocent Helios and Selene dying for her ambition.

a total of 5 good days every year

Getting pumped when that battle bassline starts to play.

Unoriginal line

I’m grateful for the 5 good days. M K, you’re welcome to be original. I had no such intention

AGREED

it seems super obvious to me that Octavian had a mole in Anthony's camp. That would explain so much - Octavian may have sucked at fighting wars, but he was great at dealing with people, if there was anyone in that war that would have paid a lot of attention to intelligence and would have the skills to set up what we today would call an intelligence agency, it'd be Octavian, and if there's anyone who'd flip a high-ranking man in the enemy camp and know how to use their info while protecting his sources, it'd also be Octavian.

@@georgiishmakov9588 some senators left and went to Antony when Octavian's did his show of force in the senate just before the war. All it would take is a few senators of the group actually being loyal to Octavian and being secretly told to leave and play intelligence. Boom, done.

@@lorefox201 we don't know how good their opsec was - in the modern day, congresspeople aren't allowed near sensitive intelligence and get the safe for public consumption version of events, for a very similar reason. However, Anthony doesn't strike me as the sort of guy to think about opsec.

@@georgiishmakov9588 i was going to tell you just that, Anthony sounds like the kind of guy who brag endlessly about the latest fruits of his galaxy brain with whoever will listen tbfh.

*a bad play by cleopathra

it also helps that antony was an idiot.

Seconded!

Please never stop 🍕

And with the nature of the internet, these will essentially exist in perpetuity for many people to enjoy/learn

If jupiter bless us he will only stop in 476 a.d

I hope he does other periods in history like this, i'd kill to see him do the Sengoku Jidai

Must have been a shocker when he realized that Octavian wasn’t even in the battle he just slept from boredom lol.

"COME ON, YOU APES! YOU WANNA LIVE FOREVER?" - Marcus Agrippa, before he underwent his naval campaign

Might be a combination of the two

Im a bit tempted to hang towards Cleopatra seeing which way the winds were blowing. Antony was deffs left out to dry having to swim like that, and the reserves move could have done some damage if it were a tactical trust instead of a pure play to get out. Maybe Antony had been left to think these reserves were for exactly such a thrust, only to be left scrambeling when it turned not to be the case. Worth knowing if these reserves Cleopatra was sailing with were large enough to militarily make a difference. Either way, the sudden nature of it all smacks off Cleopatra getting cold feet

@@Stevrovich it was 85 state of the art warship you bet they could have made a difference

@@lorefox201 I concur, they could have relieved Anthony’s flank and there was still a shot at victory. But they fled-stupidity at its finest, how could cleopatra not anticipate the defections after that?

@@hx5525 Cleopatra was an able politician and pretty ruthless in seeking political advantage, not a military commander.

You mean, Agripping story?

⁠@@liammorrissba-dum crash 🥁

Yes, I really appreciate the spare but elegant and effective graphics as conveyors of the narrative. It's a good visual analogue to a serious historian's sober and analytical approach.

Without embellishment? Dude is performing a fellatio on agrippa the whole vid

@@julio1116 commentary on the contents of primary and secondary sources isn't the same as embellishment.

I dunno about misinformation. I am currently reading Michael Parenti’s People’s history of Rome, and he most certainly paints both Caesar and Cicero in different lights. I mainly agree with his view of Cicero as a cretinous landlord who helped egg on, and enhance, the deep fissures in Roman political society. But other than that, this channel has really brought so much extra depth to my understanding of classical civilisation, and inspired me further on to continue this love.

100% agreed

How long ago was the breakup?

Best of luck, man. I’m glad you’re comfortable with watching him again

You know a channel is good when it becomes a part of your life, I hope you are doing good mate.

I have to agree, I think Antony’s mistakes were not stupid but his military doctrines were so out matched He did not place enough importance on the logistics or navy, it says enough that when given the choice of marching north for a big army battle or securing logistics he chose the battle. I read him as a good tactical leader but compared to Agrippa a poor strategic thinker

Beating other Romans are cringe

​@@PRubin-rh4srL

To be fair, if your gamble is predicting your enemy will act exactly how they have always acted and how everyone else would, then every decision in life is a gamble, because that's near certain

Agrippa could always retreat via sea with his veteran sailors, but I still would have marched/sailed south to ensure that very outcome at the least. And there's no hindsight here, even in their day the criticality of a functional supply line is not revolutionary, it's why he set it up in the first place. But of course, the decision to move the supplies entirely by ship along the west coast WITHOUT ESCORT seems ridiculous. Even absent escort, where were the ships to react to Agrippa's actions? Why did he not immediately move in and pin Agrippa landlocked inside his single captured port using his all those ships of his accompanying his army? At the very least why not intercept your supply ships in advance of Agrippa's position and reroute the deliveries to the east into Athens and re-establish your lines with an over land second half? Why not do that from the start? Some wars are won, and credit to minds that win them. Not to take anything from Agrippa, but some wars are simply lost, and credit to the mediocrity that lose them. Antony fucked this up and kept fucking it up.

@@ThePolysyllabist with his superior fleet and probably much better sailors why didnt he Chase agrippa off? I think it has something to do with HC saying octavian landed earlier and to the norther than expected. I can imagine Anthony deploying mass of his fleet to do as much as damage to crossing octavian. I specalute he sent ships to south but with local superiority agrippa couldnt be dislodged. It was a really good plan that played on anthony's ineffectiveness. He was a great lieutenant under caesar but not a great commander on his own. But of course these are specalutions.

Octavian was known to be the weaker tactician vs Agrippa. He probably thought it would be easier to beat him, and with him beaten maybe it would have been over.

In other words... Anthony was playing chess but Agrippa's playing poker. Anthony think it's gonna be a typical Roman campaign... Agrippa's playing a different game.

Historically accurate

liberty had been dead for a while when Caesar got into the scene, not even Sulla could save the Republic and he acted as an exemplary Roman dictator leaving office the second it wasn't necessary for him to hold it anymore. "BuT hE KiLlEd HiS PoLiTiCal RiValS!" His political rivals were a lodge of snakes, the fact that he clearly didn't kill enought of them is the reason the repubblic fell. By when Caesar enters the scene it's a rotten zombie still walking. Historia Will Say constantly "this and that that Caesar or Octavian did destroyed Roman politics" but they litterally did nothing the elite before them hadn't already done but worse.

labienus is beta version agrippa is full release

@@jacerivera7907 the problem with your logic is that there wouldn't be a battle, the army would just starve

mostt likely she was always for Egypt not anything else She later tried to make deal with Octavian I do think she was kinda dumb and dint realise that if Antony deasnt win she and Egypt are doom

Antony lost battles before…this had to have been betrayal

If Cleopatra wanted to betray him, her other actions don’t make much sense. She might have miscalculated how the battle was going and too early activated the plan B escape plan. But I would not see this as outright betrayal

He also though of war like a general from literally many centuries after. Is almost absurd that he was a 1st century BCE Roman general, with the way he waged war.

And Valeriy Zaluzhny

@@Jake007123 I wouldn't say it was unprecedented, even amongst the Romans, Scipio Africanus was famous for his land-sea cooperation and amphibious warfare, especially in his Spanish Campaign, centuries before.

I’ve always heard the Mark Antony was his times version of a “man’s man” he certainly was pretty fit

@@americanaccolon1319 It was bad generalling but extremely impressive swimming. Give Antony a silver medal!

@@alanpennie8013 "Why didn't Antony get the Gold medal?" "Agrippa beat him over the finishing line on a motorboat."

Banging Cleopatra every night seems to have kept in good shape

Just a shame we have to wait months for uploads. Still worth it though.

He is legit the best because his presentations make everything so easily memorable.

I know it's unfair to ask of a channel literally named "historia civilis", but I want more 19th century content from him so badly!

Yep! A woman will leave you to die in an instant, in order to save herself.

@@xrcvbn Who? Sarah Paulson?

Antony was sulking and Cleopatra didn't really have a chance to say anything.

Because military is only a tiny part of history.

@@PRubin-rh4sr Not really, history is really the story of warfare throughout the ages. I know the fad these days is to pretend that everything every social class got up to mattered, but it's just not so, history is determined by a small number of people engaged in politics, diplomacy, and war. We understood this before Marxists infiltrated the system and started pretending the lives and fate of peasants was somehow relevant.

Agreec

Agrippa is soooo underrated in discussions of history’s great generals

Livia totally had him killed

@@cpob2013 source : old biased historians & cryptic symbolism in my dreams

Yep

upload

It did work for Sula's faction though in the first Roman civil war.

Not fallen on your sword, only into whine and whoring I guess. :)

I feel that, everything since I've felt since I graduated from college is regret for missed opportunities and bitterness for the success of others. Yet life still carries on and you have to walk forward.

Perhaps you should ask Tribune Aqilla for help.

I am going to get worried after today and if he doesn’t update his website

To me, Mark Antony seems like the enigma of enigmas in Roman history.

@@AbbeyRoadkill1 same, he's kind of a Roman legend though he was 100% real

It has been touched on multiple times in previous videos. Her presence was always seen as foreign interference, even during Caeser's days.

@@BeefyTacoCS No, the specific impact on the Actium campaign has not been touched that many times before, and when it was touched on it was very brief.

@@matziviri2866It was touched on multiple times in general. She essentially had a negative impact on every one of her ally's campaigns that she was a part of. Not only that, she was notorious for abandoning battles and fleeing. Her presence at Actium was no different than the previous scenario.

@@BeefyTacoCS "It was touched on multiple times in general." So we agree then that the specific impact on Actium was not covered previously. "Not only that, she was notorious for abandoning battles and fleeing." Please elaborate.

@@matziviri2866 Cleopatra fled something like 3 or more battles with Antony aswell as doing the same thing to Caesar. As to the battle being effected by Cleopatra, this again was already touched upon MULTIPLE times in detail. She had a negative effect on EVERY campaign she was a part of. There was nothing unique about her efforts in Actium that would require wasting more time on the subject. Rome wholeheartedly looked down on Egypt and specifically Cleopatra the entire time they were players in the game. You demanding to know more about that (and more specifically in terms of this battle) is just silly.

He started an Alexander series that he only put a few episodes in

@@primusinterpares5767 I think he should at least cover the rest of Agrippa's life.

I want an in depth look into Augustus' reign.

The visuals also help with that,i would imagine.

Oh, right, the 17th!

Right? Who'da thunk we get FOUR WHOLE VIDEOS in one year?

Dw its today

No, the saying is, "Amateurs talk TACTICS." Strategy incorporates logistics; they are one, not separate.

@@revanofkorriban1505 Eh, Semantics. However, Strategy doesn't always incorporate Logistics, I mean look at late war WW2 Germany lol

@@fireflyredux3373 That was lack of strategy. It's not semantics at all. Logistics IS strategy. It is not for nothing that the Wehrmacht in 1943 is described to have fought a "defense without strategy." Logistics was improving overall as the Germans fell back into range of their supply lines, by the way.

Too bad that he went ahead with invading Russia anyways 😂😂 (Napoleon)

@@R.a.f.a.e.l. yeah what he didn’t take into account was the winter

Nah, imma give u an L on that one. In my humble opinion, there are several problems with that idea. 1 When antony served under Caesar and built his resume, Caesar had arguably put him and all the other soldiers in a good position in every battle. Therefore, none of Antonys successes here can be attributed to him, since Caesar is no question a better general. If u disagree with that point respectfully have a nice day. 2 to my knowledge Antony never commanded any battle and won against any commander more experienced or better than him. 3 when Caesar helped antony gain command and authority in the senate, antony miserably failed in dealing with unrest in the city and did have to bring roman soldiers to rome to kill civilians, not that strategic here either. 4 Antonys parthian campaign was a massive strategic failure. Even if u argue antony had good strategic planning and ideas for winning the campaign, which i do not agree, it was not very smart or strategically viable to hold parthias massive amount of territory over the long term. Therefore, fighting the campaign was a bad strategic decision with a massive opportunity cost that ultimately destroyed his military strategic game for the rest of his life. 5 The battle of actium would arguably have gone better had antony attacked agrippa instead of Octavian first when they both pursued him in greece. Although Octavian was a threat, he was not as skilled a general as agrippa, and could not have as effectively commanded against and defeated antony, thus giving antony a better chance to win if agrippa was permanently defeated, whereas the same is not as true with octavian gone. 6 The donations of alexandria was a terrible strategic move for antony for several reasons. Antony promised to his children territory he didn't have, which alienates foreign enemies and nations based around said territory disputes. Claiming Octavian was not Caesars only heir alienated Octavians faction and led to war before antony was ready for it, especially bad strategically considering Octavian knew arguably more about Antonys faction than anyone because they both fought together at phillipi and Octavian did little commanding but rather watched antony command most of the battle. 7 Octavian had promised to supply antony soldiers after his parthian defeat, so it is again very bad that antony alienated Octavians faction because it is known fact between them both antony is short the requested amount of soldiers in his army, if not short many more. This is a huge strategic weakness and not considering this differently beforehand to choose a different approach might have cost antony the war. 9 Cleopatra supplied many of the soldiers, food, and other supplies for antonys armies. Although this seems minor, consider that antony has to now get Cleopatras approval for important decisions which has massive repercussions. Antony has to winter in Egypt with Cleopatra to make sure of her cooperation, leaving roman territory vulnerable for too long until it is attacked by parthia and the local governor executed. 10 Arguably, it was a bad strategic decision to stay in Egypt especially for such a long time, or maybe even a bad idea for antony to ally with Egypt at all, because the alliance had risk of being broken and leaving antony even more vulnerable. Probably, antony was more inclined to accept and go along with this because of his affection and love for Cleopatra, and this could explain some of the poor strategic judgements by antony during this time. Antony probably just trusted Cleopatra too much, and she had too much control and influence over some of Antonys decisions, and vice versa. This romance caused a problematic dynamic in which the 2 leaders might have had too much significant difficulty separating work and personal matters. With all due respect, where u at?