The Battle of Midway 🇯🇵 Nagumo's Dilemma, the Mistake that Lost the Battle? (Japanese History)

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In this video we’re taking a look at the battle of Midway, this lesson focuses on Nagumo's Dilemma during the battle of Midway
➡️ During the Battle of Midway on June the 4th to the 7th 1942 a lot of mistakes were made by both the Imperial Japanese Navy and the US Navy. One factor that scholars often regard as a defining moment and rationale for the defeat of the Japanese at this battle is notoriously known as "Nagumo's Dilemma".
➡️ Vice Admiral Chūichi Nagumo gets an awful amount of disdain during this battle, so why is that? What could he have done differently during the battle of Midway? How did all of this effect Japanese history?
As one of the contributing factors of the Pacific War, we’ll be exploring how the battle of Midway effected the Pacific War.
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@ThePacificWarChannel 3 жыл бұрын

Hello there! What did you think of this follow up episode to the Battle of Midway? What else would you like to see us cover? Let us know in the comments below!

@thethreeedgedsword7253 3 жыл бұрын

I’d love to hear more about; what happened to the Burmese army during ww2? Why didnt japan focus on invading Australia instead of its attack on Pearl Harbor? What kind of military infrastructure was there, if any, at Hiroshima or Nagasaki? Why don’t more people understand that the Russian invasion of Manchuria was more influencing upon Japanese sentiment of surrender, than the atomic bombings? Do you have any reason why the Japanese military custom, during ww2, of using so called “comfort women” is not taught much in US education systems? Lol that’s enough from me

@ThePacificWarChannel 3 жыл бұрын

@@thethreeedgedsword7253 Haha, I plan on tackling the Asia Pacific War 1937-1945 "day to day" so everything you mentioned would be covered, which will take an eternity (much like the Great War Channel). Japan did not focus on invading Australia because the Japanese Army could not even handle eastern China (There was people in Japan who pushed for an Australian invasion). Australia was far too large a landmass with a military capable of defending it. Funny enough the allies took it as a real threat and made a "defense line" above Australia. As for the surrendering because of the invasion of Manchuria, that completely has to do with America's narrative on justifying the bombs AND a joint effort between US/Japan to create a postwar narrative to follow this. The real reason the Japanese surrendered at the time was indeed the Manchurian invasion and there is a lot of written primary sources on this. As for comfort women (I am Canadian by the way, but our education system is practically the same)....even in Japan its a hush hush topic, you hear the most about it obviously in South Korea. Why the US education system might not talk about might be a political issue. Boy lot to say here XD! Also as far as military infrastructure is concerned with Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Hiroshima was not the first target (Tokyo was, but it was fire bombed to hell already), Nagasaki is an entire other story with a LOT of controversy. A lot of evidence supports the idea the bomb on Nagasaki was done simply as a test to see the effect of the bomb on certain geographical terrain and had nothing to do with any military threat.

@thethreeedgedsword7253 3 жыл бұрын

@@ThePacificWarChannel trust me, I’m setting time aside in my life to watch your videos, so I’m excited that you’ll cover all that stuff in more detail. Agreeing with you on the atomic bomb and comfort women issue. There’s a Japanese man who witnessed and survived both blasts. Story goes is that he was telling his bosses, at Mitsubishi, that he saw the single bomb that destroyed Hiroshima. The boss said, something to the effect of “you’re an engineer, do the math. What kind of bomb can destroy an entire city.” At that moment the room lit up with the flash of the second atomic bomb exploding. That dude died in 2010 I think. I’m glad you’re going to cover the invasion of Burma. At the beginning of the war they had 4 million troops... Very excited to hear about Chinese involvement in the war. Seriously I think it’s one of the most underrated roles I. The pacific theater. Hell, I’d argue that American military success would be in high question if the Chinese didn’t do what they did. I think the Us mainly dealt with the Japanese navy, we barely dealt with the Japanese army. Is that generally correct?

@thethreeedgedsword7253 3 жыл бұрын

@@ThePacificWarChannel also, I’d love to recommend this you tuber kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fZpdm9uAm6exeZs.html he recently did an amazing series on the Imjin war; but right now he’s doing an amazing documentary on the atomic bombs. I think you’d find it very fascinating the brake down he does of the event.

@droman608 5 ай бұрын

IJ Navy: “Omae wa mou shindeirou.” US Navy: “So you have chosen death. Fix bayonets.”

@philipmiller2618 3 жыл бұрын

Read the book "Shattered Sword". It's a really great book on the battle of Midway as told from the Japanese point of view. I love this book.

@martinschmidt4894 2 жыл бұрын

"Shattered Sword" and "Neptunes Inferno, the US Navy at Guadalcanal" are the best military books I have ever read. Highly recommended. After Midway the Japanese still kicked US ass in the Solomons.

@manilajohn0182 2 жыл бұрын

No offense here, but Shattered Sword is a mixed bag. The major revelation which the authors pitch is false, and their primary source- Senshi Sosho, or what they call the "Official Japanese History"- is not an official history at all. They leave out significant statements from Japanese officers and fail to mention that Senshi Sosho primarily represents the view of Japanese veterans- and not the Japanese government. Just sayin. Cheers...

@merhimaq1011 3 жыл бұрын

Beautiful. Very Nice video

@WarMonkeyOG 5 ай бұрын

Just started watching this amazing series! Love it

@hunt_club_1 3 жыл бұрын

I find this an interresting channel. Interesting view on things. I hope it get's bigger

@ol38y 3 жыл бұрын

As I remember, splitting the carriers to AK was part of Yamamoto's plan. Nagumo had no say in it.

@thethreeedgedsword7253 3 жыл бұрын

Loyalty, obeying orders, these are far higher in priority than quick thinking and individual intelligence; in the Empire of the sun. Nagumo was hamstrung by his own military doctrines. Would have been too easy to have every fighter and bomber get in the air for Air defense, and have the second wave land and refit. From there he continues to chew up US Air Force peace meal attacks, eventually gaining air superiority. From there he could postpone midway, and focus on hunting Us aircraft carriers. The first wave would have let Nagumo know that midway was prepared and didn’t have any planes on it. The people on the island were sitting ducks and a NON priority, compared to Us aircraft carriers. Had Nagumo learned that midway was prepared, I think he would have changed his course of action. Also should have left the Aleutian Islands alone. Hindsight being 20/20, of course. Great video! Thank you!!

@philipmiller2618 3 жыл бұрын

I find it curious that the returning Midway strike and the discovery of the U.S. carrier at about the same time, caused Nagumo`s dilemma.

@peteroconnell6964 3 жыл бұрын

Question about your battle movement presentation. The Battleship and Invasion task forces both had small escort carriers. Wouldn't those escorts carriers have fighter or bomber aircraft on those ships could have Hiryu after the other carriers were put out of action. The two dive bomber,

@peteroconnell6964 3 жыл бұрын

Premature send, question is did such aircraft exist, and if so, why didn't they use them to reinforce Hiryu's depleted stike force, they certainly were within range. Radio silence artifact?

@ThePacificWarChannel 3 жыл бұрын

@@peteroconnell6964 You know another KZfaqr tackled specifically the Hiryu counter attack recently, but your question makes for an interesting point. The Midway invasion force had the Zuihō CVL which should have seen action (it survived Midway), Yamamoto's main force had carriers, such as the Hōshō CVE and some lights like Chiyoda & Nisshin that all survived Midway, but obviously as you already stated for the First Fleet it was Radio silence and distance that relegated them to secondary roles.

@peteroconnell6964 3 жыл бұрын

@@ThePacificWarChannel Tnanks for your reply. Figured might have been slavish adherence to radio silence protocols. Brought to you by the same deep thinkers who, when faced with the post Coral Sea dilemma of having two mission critical sister ship carriers, one damaged, but with an operational air arm, one intact, but without an operational air arm, opted to leave both in port.

@brianwhitworth7957 3 жыл бұрын

Read 'Shattered Sword' for an in-depth explanation as to why the Japanese were operationally and tactically inflexible due to their rigid doctrine. In other words those planes on the other carriers would never even be considered to 'swap in'.

@sohaibshehzad2052 3 жыл бұрын

Far better & realistic narration than some certain chair historian who only peddles main stream media fiction.

@ThePacificWarChannel 3 жыл бұрын

omphhhhhffff ;) thank you

@blurchin 2 жыл бұрын

What's with all the alarms and beeps going off in the background?

@thethreeedgedsword7253 3 жыл бұрын

I have another question that baffles me. I’m having a hard time finding a specific source to read, so maybe you can help. Where the hell were the japanese submarines during all this? I know there were mini subs used against Kure island. But japan had over 100 submarines in its navy by this point. I think they had a total of 170 at the end of the war. Total built, not total that survived the way.

@ThePacificWarChannel 3 жыл бұрын

The book: Shattered Sword: the untold story of the battle of midway, would be your best bet on a good lengthy answer. IJN Sub's were present though, they refueled aircraft, scouted the American forces and there was an expeditionary force of Subs that just missed the US task forces going by. Yorktown was hit by a few torpedoes from a Japanese submarine. The reason you don't hear about it much is because of the legendary aircraft battle that occurred. Everything else took a backseat for the lime light haha.

@thethreeedgedsword7253 3 жыл бұрын

@@ThePacificWarChannel guess I hadn’t thought about it like that. The whole battle does seem more boring if your underwater the entire time. Edit: Sent to fast. Thanks a lot for the book recommendation!!!! Keep up the work. Your videos are high quality education, no doubt. My dad would have adored your series.

@davidcroft9289 Жыл бұрын

at 4:36 - the higher IJN staff decided on the AL invasion

@squad-0973 7 ай бұрын

At 11:45 you say TBF Avengers but they were in fact TBD Devastators

@lordhawke7 2 ай бұрын

That was a reference to Midway’s aircraft, which did include a small TBF element.

@peteandpuy 3 жыл бұрын

Path to success is to just keep making Midway videos. ; )

@ThePacificWarChannel 3 жыл бұрын

Lol....you have no idea. This thursday another Midway episode is coming out XD.

@hunt_club_1 3 жыл бұрын

Here is a link to footage that Commander Kosco (one of Halsey's "Weathermen") took, shortly after cecession of hostilities. Very eerie! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/o6qRopSg2d-de5s.html

@tonylang3163 2 жыл бұрын

Halsey(haul-si)

@intibird5281 2 жыл бұрын

Were the bombs designed for ground targets completely ineffective against the US ships? What would've happened if Nagumo launched an attack to the US carriers with some of the planes carrying the wrong ammo instead of changing weapons again?

@ThePacificWarChannel 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent question because in fact, Nagumo had at one point during the Dilemma the opportunity to throw some Kates (torpedo bombers) who had land based bombs armed at the enemy. HE bombs are of course not as effective as armor piercing, but it arguably would have been the better decision to toss them as a piecemeal rather than rearm and wait to launch a full wave.

@technovelo Жыл бұрын

@@ThePacificWarChannel I think sending the reserve aircraft, however armed, would have been the better choice, but Nagumo had to worry about when the next attack might occur, the B-26 had to have rattled him, and there was also the Japanese doctrine of decisive victory that called for one massive attack. And hindsight is 20/20.

@juhorebejh9563 3 ай бұрын

For me, this was Nagumo's biggest mistake. The attack should have been carried out with demolition bombs, even though they were not armor-piercing bombs, no aircraft carrier deck could withstand the force of these explosions. The aircraft carrier would not sink, but it would not be able to operate its aircraft either, as the main deck would be destroyed.

@jeffreyjackson6431 3 жыл бұрын

Dude, Doolittle launched carrier based B-25s not B-52s! Could you imagine?

@ThePacificWarChannel 3 жыл бұрын

lol...yes I made a horrible dyslexic error in the last episode, still around 200+ comments and counting. I almost added a blooper real to this episode as I did it 3 times again.

@jeffreyjackson6431 3 жыл бұрын

@@ThePacificWarChannel Otherwise, a fantastic job!

@henry7696 Жыл бұрын

the decisive element of the battle happened before the battle, with america figuring out the AK invasion was a feint. nagumo cant really be blamed for a tactical decision as costing the battle, when in reality the battle was already lost on a strategic level. japan couldve won midway and it still wouldve needed to win 10 more midways in a row for the US to even consider coming to peace talks

@culdanie 2 жыл бұрын

All about talking.....less expenses to the project

@paulhamelin7249 Жыл бұрын

Naguma forgot what his main objective was. THE CARRIERS and NOT MIDWAY

@lorrainezea7988 3 жыл бұрын

You're so cute while apologizing. lol Thanks for making this video. Surprisingly learned a ton!!!

@anthonyj.cooper2363 2 жыл бұрын

Nothing about enigma

@mstrider80 Жыл бұрын

Hey there. Your pronunciation of Japanese names is pretty good in this video.

@billwatkins8227 3 жыл бұрын

re look at the aircraft numbers before you talk about an IJN overwhelming superiority.

@billpollard5051 Жыл бұрын

I took two semesters of Chinese history and the First Opium War went into much more detail than what I learned. The whole theme about dealing with China at that time was that the leaders of China were extremely reluctant to modernize anything. One the subject of Midway, I cringed when I saw how Nagumo handled his warplanes at Midway. The allies had made enough drastic mistakes to that point, so I guess it was Japan's time to make a few bad mistakes.

@jennyxie5382 Жыл бұрын

If you play any online game competitively, you will understand the stress Nagumo is going through

@billpollard5051 Жыл бұрын

@@jennyxie5382 I never played online games competitively, but I did work in hospital emergency departments. When lives and minimizing injuries are at stake, stress causes people to make very quick decisions based upon what they know. Mistakes happen in such situations. I'm sure it's the same with online games. I've seen people play them competitively and they can't tolerate distractions.

@deb5932 3 жыл бұрын

I don't know why Japanese lost the world war 2 and that too in a miserable way after winning so many battles against British American forces?

@ThePacificWarChannel 3 жыл бұрын

Japan's entire strategy was to make the allies fight until they would give up, not having the stomach to lose more people/resources. It was never a realistic strategy, Japan never had a chance based purely on numbers/resources.

@TomFynn Жыл бұрын

In 1935 the US population was twice that of Japan. The US GDP/capita was nine times that of Japan. So Japan went to war against an enemy that could outproduce them by a factor of 18 to 1. On top of the wars in China. Vietnam. Philippines. Etc. The biggest case of biting off more than you can chew in history.

@deb5932 Жыл бұрын

@@TomFynn Japan had limited resources that we all know but their biggest assets are they are very much industrious. Japanese men in the army were very much motivated by their emperor. European colonized Asia long ago and they were creating hindrances to Japan for expansion in Asia, so they looked towards Pacific to fulfill their achievements. In the Pacific their biggest threat was American presence which became a blister on the wound. For centuries Japan had made tremendous advancement in Engineering and technology but colonization in Asia had put obstacles in their trade and commerce with Asian countries. They also needed raw materials for their industrial expansion which they would get from Asian countries. So they attacked Asian countries which were already colonized by European countries. They knew very well it's difficult to win a war against USA because USA is a big country with industrial outputs more than Japan. If the war lasted for short period then Japan would win but the war lasted for long period which led to Japanese defeat. Moreover Hitler's policy for attacking Soviet Union was also responsible for the continuation of war for longer period which ultimately led to the defeat of German forces and Japan the then ally of Germany was also affected. If Germany didn't invade Soviet Union then there was every possible chance of Japan to win the war against USA.

@TomFynn Жыл бұрын

@@deb5932 No, there was no way that the war against the US would have lasted only a short time. The Americans, for all their faults, have a firm sense of fair-play. And the underhand (and embarrassing) attack on Pearl in Dec '41 meant that there would be no negotiated peace (as the Japanese had hoped and was pretty much their MO ever since the first Sino-Japanese War.). The man in the street would not have allowed it and FDR deliberately decided for unconditional surrender after the lessons of Versailles. Also, Hitlers invasion of Russia in Jun '41 was one of the major factors why Japan thought they'd have an opportunity for more aggression. Without this invasion, they would have always had to keep a weather eye on Russia attacking in Manchuria. No nan-shin-ron would have been possible.

@deb5932 Жыл бұрын

@@TomFynn I know United States had industrial bases more than that of Japan. Why Japan attacked Pearl Harbour is another topic to be discussed later on. US Navy had harboured more battle ships, Cruisers, destroyers, Cruisers in Hawaii which Japan thought that during their invasions of South East Asia, those battle ships, Cruisers, aircraft carriers would be used by America against them, so they decided to give a solid blow to US Navy. Unfortunately to Japan, on 7th December, 1941 all the aircraft carriers of US were out in Pacific for routine exercise and those aircraft carriers proved to be essential weapons of US against Japan later on.

@TheBishop12 Жыл бұрын

Gosh that bird gets annoying

@jasse803 2 жыл бұрын

Spending 10 minutes appologising. Goddamn grow some backbone! All this appeasement of appologising to everyone for everything. If you are not fit to run a historical channel cuz you might misspronounce (spelling?) some names some time and you feel the need to say sorry all the time then you should quit.