Johan Doah I really disagree with that statements. People in the minorites experience things in society then people who aren’t this is just fact. And I believe as a human we should be able to hear from different perspectives whether we are in the racial minority or sexual because they have experiences that might be different then yours so listen, asses and then form your opinion

@@amalnasser4118 You can have all the experiences unique to you that you want...and I am happy to hear your personal experiences, but when someone wants to use that to push policy on me and strip me of my rights, please forgive me for not just rolling over and giving them up. Your personal experience does not make your ideas good or bad, they are good or bad on their own merits period.

John doah of-course my personal experiences is not categorize into right or wrong there just experiences from my point of view in a minority I understand your point I do no should impose anything in any way to infringe on your rights. And no please don’t apologize you have every right with disagreeing on my points I’m not asking to agree with everything all I need if for something to listen. Thank you for your comment.

@@amalnasser4118 It's not a "fact" at all. While being black might be different than being white, we are both Americans in the same society with the same basic rights. What we choose to do with any opportunities that we are presented, or that we create, is up to us as individuals. If you think the world owes you something, then you'll be in for a rough ride as an adult when people rightly tell you to "Grow up." Also, this preposterous idea that as a human being I can't possibly comprehend what it's like to be another human being is patently false. Empathy, sympathy, and our sense of fairness are built upon our ability to see things from a different perspective. It's foundational to any interactions you have with other people, and if you are lacking it, you're a psychopath. Intersectionality is about nothing but power, and trying to gain it over others. It is not based on any science, and we should all reject it completely.

A different person with a different background and different ideas? Yea... it totally doesn't matter

The rabbi made, for me, one of the strongest points. Those who are sure they are right are the keenest to hear opposing ideas, because they are confident that the facts are for them. It is, by contrast, those who are least sure they are right who are keenest to shut down debate.

@Y T Haidt doesn't have analysis, he has nice little catch phrases that pretend reality is something different that it is, to make people feel good.

Thank you. I was screaming at my screen when he started spewing that absurdity. The lack of awareness is stupefying.

@@philipbrown2086 I very much agree, and you see this play out pretty apparently in debates like this. When you have, in my opinion, one side that totally outclasses the other, there is a huge difference in the demeanor of the two groups. These two were a very good example, simply looking at things as simple as their cadence of speech, posture, and hand gestures. There is an element of unease, that i hope im not just projecting on them, but seems relatively obvious. This same type of thing plays out when you watch a young student or protestor attempt to debate Jordan Peterson. They yell and scream and flail their arms to, in my opinion, distract from the weakness, even they see, in their own positions. Its like a form of cognitive dissonance that produces extreme anxiety, which then manifests as mental defense and physical aggressiveness.

lol I was so confused by that... Nothing has changed in 500 years..???? So if that idiot was sent back to the 16th century things would be the same for him? The world has changed more in just the last 100 years then it had in the entire previous 10 000 years, the quality of life is so many magnitudes better in 1st world countries then it was 100 years ago, for fucking every person living in it. This guys mad that racism still exists, his ancestors from the early 1900s were dealing with a lot fucking worse then his sad story of not being able to wear jeans :'( Not to mention a million ways to die that wouldn't even keep you home from work in todays world. Go back the 17th century then bud, and enjoy 40% of your children dying from infection, disease and everything else long before ever reaching adulthood.

all the rational, educated adults on the other side are smart enough to know emotional arguments are inherently unstable &do not hold up to scrutiny...

What else would you find on that side of the argument other than emotionally unbalanced intellectually insufficient children?

@@WayneBraack Rational higly intelligent adults that suppor this left-leaning opinions. C'mon, im right and a lot libertarian, and it's amply obvious they can find someone who has dedicated their lives studying the left leaning arguments (argumentation is a science)

True.

@@arthurwittmann6242 you'd think so but I haven't heard from or seen any of them doing debates like this. Who are they? I'm curious to hear from them too for balance.

He's been shut down in his methods of teaching and feels the loss. And he is smart enough that anger can only harm his case, so he actively bites it down, and practices patience. I was more impressed with Sacks' answer than anyone.

Quite right.

Indeed.

Joe you don't need their protection ... Mate, u need protection from these idiots. She's already mentioned Muslim students and LGBT students in the same argument. The left loves Islam and Islam throws u guys off roof tops. The left has used the gay community, particularly gay men and when Islam has taken over and is rounding up and murdering u guys in the most barbaric ways imaginable, the left will be sitting by sprouting out "Not all Muslims".

They use you as a shield for their shitty ideas.

Well said, sir.

JB - This your new account Milo?

Very good point...and oh yeah “the far right is on the rise” yeah right...

@@justkiddin1980 is this sarcasm?

They are standing against a system that is hundreds of years old. I 'm white, I get it, wtf is the problem with this. I see the racism EVERYWHERE IN EVERYTHING. I do not even want to hear any of you white folks telling me it isn't there when as a white folk , I HEAR it daily, I'm exposed to fragile white people crying about shame and guilt and never once actually checking themselves. I'm white, so folks assume I'm on their side and and don't mind their blatant bigotry. I do mind. It's gross, and holds humanity back from evolution, and y'all need to do some research and introspective critique. I get that it is hard and defensiveness is a first reaction to being called out. It happened to me and it took a long time for me to learn, As, when it happened that I was called out (believing, mind you, that I was not a bigot) was when there were not willing people there to explain about privilege, what it is what it means to be living in it. There are folks willing to explain it-all over the internet and probably in your communities. There isn't progress because the underlying structures have never been properly addressed. How many black people you see in puzzles that are not exoticism in praxis? What Do you know of Africa's history of science, mathematics and architecture before colonization? that 's all

@@d.rabbitwhite Do tell -- what are just a FEW examples of these anecdotal interactions you experience on a "daily" basis? And where (geographically, organizationally, etc.)? Your remarks resonated & struck a chord w/ me -- as with countless millions others, of course -- as we live in an especially precarious time where ppl are given free pass on unspeakably evil "hate speech," like calling Obama "a bad prez," and only 90% or so of media & academia believe Trump is as bad or worse as Hitler.

@@Cronhour Since when is stating fact sarcasm? The far left is trying to make a comeback i hope we can stomp that shit out...because the next real wave of facism and racism is coming from the left...

I like that. It says alot, with few words. I'm stealing it 😛

The Far Left does infantilize adults with pablum ideas and roof much coddling.

The ‘Devouring Mother’ who feels every person is either a helpless infant… or a tyrannical threat to infants… there are no middle ground of the strong, healthy people able to fend for themselves, make their own choices.

@@j_freed Its very easy for individuals to make broad assumptions based on a snapshot off apparent information I imagine it is very much different looking in through our own eyes and observing ..rather than a heartfelt experience through the individuals eyes ...after all we all have very different coping mechanisms.

The enormous spectacle of MEDIA has reduced the individual to a dot.

@Oners82 Great attitude! I had no idea he was dead, or when this was filmed.

Yeah well Hitchens was a mean-spirited man full of privilege and entitlement. If he understood the painful realities of the past, he would take care to not hurt the feelings of the already marginalized and oppressed, and he would listen more and talk less

@Oners82 That's right, he should use his privilege to uplift marginalized people rather than punching down against his moral superiors

@Oners82 It's not the obligation of the oppressed to explain their oppression. You should educate yourself

@@fusion772 I have a simple solution for all those marginalized people. If you are unhappy with all those white speakers, all those old dead white men hanging on the walls and all that white history. Why not just leave? Go to the University of Riyad and get a degree on trans gender studies under sharia law. Go to the University of Brazzaville and study all about the rise of African technology. Oh that's right, that doesn't exist. There's nothing worth knowing about African history or breakthrough African technology. So in effect you are pissed off that all the great ideas in history came from those dead white men you can't stand looking at. Your problem friend is not those dead white men. Your problem is that your ancestors left you nothing worth being proud of. Your problem is not our racism, but rather your inadequacy. In short your problem is jealousy.

Harry Peach I love a balanced debate and I did love this. But they had an incoherent argument.

@@liamwinter4512 Yeah tbh it was actually a pretty interesting debate although a little cliche

Felt like more of a civil discussion rather then a debate. Which is probably good

HAHAHA. Those arguing for safe spaces never do. Funny how that "Gen Z" rep mentions nothing of the rise of rabid identitarianism on the left and the unidirectional trend of de/no-platforming. We need to stop ascribing inherent legitimacy to "minority" voices; the loser on stage speaking about the "violence of white faces" is why. Also, how alarming this kind of thinking; what does that mean for his worldview? Suspicious of all whites, faces "violence" in situations in historically white countries - got a suggestion for him, go to a country that matches his desired racial demographics.

How many sides are there?

Nazis suppressed freedom of speech. Their flag was colored red to attract the communists.

Leftists are always authoritarian, without fail. Orwell himself said, the next rise of fascism will come from the left. It makes me crazy when leftists try to invoke 1984 when talking about the right wing, when that novel was written as a cautionary insight on the LEFT gone rogue.

@@zeldagoblin Exactly!

LOL. Well played

She is possibly the best example I've seen of someone speaking a lot of words while saying absolutely NOTHING. I can listen to graduate level physiology or economics lectures while sorting out my laundry and doing the dishes, but listening to her speak was an absolute bore. As substantive as listening to someone with a bad stutter who just drank a pint of vodka.

She sounds like a stroppy teenager arguing with her parents

I couldn't understand her either. Hwew. Strained so hard to listen to her slightly incoherent speech.

Laris Vrahimis yet, I was glad to hear her perspective, as much as it made my brain hurt. I want to hear more from “snowflakes” and more leftist perspectives, as I don’t understand the logic. I want to understand

Gordon Freemason was it only 100 times? Felt like 400

Gordon Freemason they are all from the left it's lefties vs far lefties

You can only negotiate with a peer. If someone claims victim status they’re placing themselves in a category that makes negotiation and debate impossible. Decent society requires the person who’s not the victim to submit to the victim. If the victim status is permanent (based on identity) then there’s absolutely no way to ever be peer to peer. Its a permanent, unresolvable bug. If we cannot negotiate we cannot communicate. We can’t have justice. Nobody is a victim based on their “identity” alone. This idea of minority identity equals oppression does not hold water when we look at outcomes across the western world. It’s a lie that all people of influence promote- all teachers, all politicians, celebrities. It’s cauterized into the Western world. I’m not surprised we are where we are. Those ideas can never lead to long term success. There is never going to be an end to this victim narrative because it’s a lever that can be pulled continuously and without end. There’s zero evidence to support this victim narrative and despite all evidence to the contrary the victim/oppression narrative much like a religious movement continues to occupy spaces of influence. At some point you just say NO.

I think gordon was expecting these debates with multiple black people who can barely speak English spewing as much gibberish in as short of time possible. only occasionally to be punctuated with a racial slur.

Just saved me 90 minutes. Cheers. Upvoted.

And she's way hot.

Her first words are to make a joke about Brexit to her audience, giving away her - and their - bias IMMEDIATELY

@@mogznwaz Because this was recorded in the height of brexit discussions, thus making a nice contextually accurate joke about it being a brexit free safe space. Pretty sure even most smooth brainers would understand that.

@@NeilDeBarna It was lazy pandering then and it is now.. Period.

@@mogznwaz You remind me of Kehinde Andrews, jumping on every tiny thing, pointing and shouting "see, they're biased!" When in reality, it was nothing or the sort.

torch2k haha...I felt the same but didn’t put words to it. Bless you. 😂

She even went through all the gestures and shit.

I just saw that part (after Haidt gives a positive and realistic breakdown on the social progress that universities have come to largely provide over the past few decades in particular) and had to pause and take a break from the video because of the admittedly *hopeless* feeling that set in when she threw down the “profoundly patronizing” comment and gesture. Scrolled down and saw your comment haha.

I found even her hand movements to be "profoundly patronising." (but her ideology tops the list)

@Gerry BerryDavid Starkey took out Laurie Penny with a massive overhand right of "I'm not taking any of your shit bitch." Its like candy. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pdBpl6RnqpnKeqs.html

Word salad. You poet. Kudos.

Fucking word salad? Wow. You are operating on a hiring brain level dude. I’m using that one. Hahaha

Word salad is the modus operandi of the postmodern left.

amen

@Scott Mamby citation needed

It's rather confusing that someone with extreme socialist political views would be fearful of fascism...

You have peculiar view of fascism. Fascism is defined by a militaristic and imperialist expansion with a strong nationalist base. If you think fascism is a left-wing creation, then I would wholeheartedly recommend a re-reading and analysis of post WWI Germany. I'd happily provide recommendations.

@@comradeusa8351 Maoism

I laughed out loud when she claimed "I'm actually suspicious of government". Sure you are, just like every communist stooge.

Why do you always bring up the National Socialists of Germany? Is the self hate that bad?

"This is the gym..."

Not Sparta, although those guys definitely had a great gym! 😄

That quote was heaviest take away of this debate? ? ?

Haidt nailed it. The two on the left kept proving his point lol

@@nildaluzrodriguez what's your take?

It's mostly about respect. Your boss can disrespect you but you can't disrespect him. We've actually had to write laws to limit the ability of owners and managers to disrespect their employees. You know, like when someone is maimed on the job and the boss used to just send the poor guy home to be nursed by his family. Both sides did agree that hates speech is unacceptable. So to paraphrase both sides, "I'm all for free speech as long as the speech I don't agree with can't be heard." 60% of Asians attend college; 42% of whites; 37% of African-Americans attend college; 36% of Hispanics attend college in the US. 58% of Asians; 40% of whites; 26% of African-Americans and shockingly only 18% of Hispanics attain a bachelor's degree. The success rate of blacks and Hispanics has a big drop off.

@@disnotesfoyou And this is because? Have you studied the causes for this drop or are you just assuming?

@Anonymoose 123 And why would that be? Why do you need mutual respect for free speech? Free speech gets 'strange idea's' out in the open. Without FS such idea's stay underground. Slowly burning under your feet, untill the floor gives way. There's a difference between FS and open discussion. FS means FS! NO MATTER what you say. Prohibiting FS, language, certain words, will only mean some idea's go out of sight. They don't vanish! They still remain! You just don't see them anymore. Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer!!!

Yeah, there is a difference between hate speech and speech that you hate

Very bad paraphrase. It happens a lot with paraphrase.

I’m debating wether my last brain cell can survive the second half of this dumpster fire

These woke heroes want a genocide

Bravo Kirstin!

Its because your a successful modern woman and these two have took there fundamental features ie race and gender and blamed racism and sexism on why they are not succeeding, your skin pigmentation, gender and sexual orientation do not hold you back in a modern western society and the easy thing to do is blame our ancestors who did some horrible things to minorities and women and even to themselves and condemn the modern world I’m so glad I didn’t go uni, It’s the only valid point a modern pupil of academia has is the price and the degrees that don’t get you a job but this made up oppression of groups are a non starter it just becomes the oppression olympics

This was beautiful

Thank you! Especially your last sentence made me smile

Trump 2020

J Davies The opposite is true - crazy people and bad ideas must be exposed in public so that they can be debated and defeated; it is worse for all of us if they suppturate below the radar.

@@ciaraosullivan3755 Errr, I think irony just died.

She is insufferable. I wouldn't silence her, but my God I wish she would silence herself.

@@amandagriffin1751 Lol. I loved this

@@moonlitspider2827 Thanks. She really is garbage.

Well, in America it took a Civil War, with 360,000+ Union deaths, to move the ball from "slavery" to "freeman" for Black Americans. But that's literally NOWHERE.

Their lack of logic is astounding.

So glad I'm not the only one that noticed that. What the actual fuck is this guy on?

@@stanbartsch1984 Well, if you want to be technical the Civil War wasn't ONLY for slavery. it was primarily for principle of States' Rights and taxation. But you could also say that they weren't "freemen". They weren't slaves but weren't free and you could say talking and solving problems did work because you had "I Have a Dream" "Malcom x speech", and "Brown v. Board of Education".

Lol yeah she talks about "The trappings of free speech" and I thought... you mean... being able to speak freely? Then she literally speaks of not allowing people whose views (in her opinion) are dangerous to have a platform. The painful irony and hypocrisy of this mindset is sadly lost on them.

Oh my god I’d love to take that class.

She is Laurie Penny's sister, so I'm not surprised.

Greatest thinker of our generation in my opinion

his attitude is superb too

Fake

Yeah, with they would implement that. Its more like a polling format.

I thought the same thing

@NAREK ARUTYUNYAN You're not quite right about that. The cleverest oppressive systems *DO* allow certain forums for token "dissent" which are no threat to those in power. (1)Apartheid South Africa's white-only parliament had regular denunciations of National Party governments by the mostly English-speaking opposition. When the apartheid police killed black people in custody (often), the system allowed inquests which exposed the most horrific details _ but always exonerated the police. (2)Pre-independence Ireland was a system of crushing oppression for the vast majority, by British rule. But after Catholic Emancipation and particularly from the time of Parnell, the British Parliament had no problem with allowing Irish representatives to protest about their people's grievances _ which British governments, for the most part, then ignored. (3)Palestinians live under a system of deep discrimination, which among other things, involves large numbers of civilians being killed by aerial bombing. Yet one of Israel's highest judges is a Palestinian, and some Palestinians are allowed to vote in Israeli elections, making up roughly 20 to 25% of the voters. Few Palestinians would regard these concessions as meaning that they are not living under oppression.

@@nicholassaint5149 All well, but not the case here!

I just wish this would have been said to the speakers in the left

She is totally wet anyway.

she wants everyone in the room to adopt their behavior to her personal pain/hangups. it's authoritarianism presenting itself as a victim. should be shamed... it's how evil manifests.

To me it seemed more like nervousness. I doubt she has ever spoken for such a large audience in a debate.

She's not much of an advertisement for UCL...

They are oppressed and will always choose to be. Don't diss thier choice of career.

@@robtalbot3852 That Poor Young Girl is Obviously being Severely Oppressed by "S's" , "T's", "ST's" & "TH's" .

wisdom comes with age

@@thetayterminator1436 and the ugly stick too!! I'm so tired of people all crying about how life isn't fair...boo hoo...poor me...poor me ...pour me another. I can't listen to any more of this...and I need a trigger warning from these people because of the anxiety I'm feeling about people who want to stifle free speech and therefore I am censoring them...hows THAT for more of their walking contradiction. Leftism is a mental illness. People just look for reasons to be offended.

@@newsletter4826 true shit son

I can't even understand what the hell point that moron is trying to make, other than 'right wing bad!' It's right wings don't want free speech, we're all in favor of it, but just for some reason we'll scream, harass, threaten, intimidate, perpetrate violence, have massive protests against you IF you use it!

Well you have to remember Haidt has a lot more experience and wisdom, like she is still very young. He has much more perspective. When you're young you don't really know what's going on. Like he has kids, he is responsible for educating students. Penny doesn't have any of that. I tried to find a bio on her but couldn't much but my guess is she just hasn't had the real world experience of being responsible for other human beings like that. She hasn't had the experience yet of realising she is fundamentally wrong on something she felt really strongly about yet. Or of seeing her ideas and perceptions change over time. Stuff like that. So her condemnation comes easy to her. Going off her opening statement: she is basically proving Haidt correct in his description of gen z, and it is painful to watch. Like she basically is doubling down, on the kinds of things Haidt says gen z does or thinks. Insofar as she says anything, she is saying the reason why gen z acts this way instead of developing more robust individual ability to deal with issues, is because the issues are structural. And being a stronger individual can't answer structural issues. Whereas like the obvious answer would be there have been structural issues since the beginning of time, and basically the answer to that in all wisdom literature is: become a stronger individual. And part of Haidt and his co author's argument was based on cognitive behavioural therapy.

To be fair, you can't articulate a non-argument

The Ball, but you can articulate a terrible argument.

Exactly. She is the epitome of pseudo intellectual tryhard.

No, what she needs is something very different, but what it is, I cannot say.

But why? People wear PTSD as a badge of honor. It's like the "Get out of jail free" card in Monopoly.

I feel I must agree with you

@@mistermelorious I feel I must take a shit. I will let you know how I feel afterwards.

@@whirled_peas How was it? We're here when you need to talk.

@@Bejaardenbus I fainted half way through and now I have PTSD. I have an appointment with my state-funded defecation trauma specialist, and the shite has been ordered to attend empathy classes so it may never oppress another arsehole again. #EverydayShitism

@@whirled_peas I'm very happy to hear that you're getting help.

That Poor Young Girl is Obviously being Severely Oppressed by "S's" , "T's", "ST's" & "TH's" . I guess she never really will have free speech as much as those letters are taxing her words lol

She was a word salad. I think it was her way of having to not actually answer anything. As Einstein once said, "if you can't explain it simply, then you don't understand it well enough".

the classic 'blind with bs' approach

mostly to deflect the focus from the real problem - lack of tolerance from the Left

@@eternalreign2313 The thing is, she is parroting 3rd wave feminist dogma perfectly. Peter Bohossian had her number a few years ago, but she is unable to deviate from scripture.

That’s embarrassing.

To be honest, though, that's the whole point of poetry! It is MEANT to shake you, to move you, to make you feel, & also to make you question & think. So those who lash back at being moved are very much missing the point. So too are any who consider it too inconsequential to be moving. Poetry is like love: if you're afraid of love, or incapable of it, then it is wasted on you; if you are both capable of & open to love, beauty ensues.

It’s funny - no one objects to turning people away from university because they aren’t clever enough, so why do they let in people who are so fragile that they are nothing but a nuisance to everyone around them. The extreme left should fund separate universities for those of more delicate constitutions and then employers could make their choices from the students that emerge from these and more traditional universities.

Some people just feel that life, especially other people, need and must be changed .

There's an unspoken agreement in these types of debates that participants will not lie. I wouldn't accuse anyone in this debate of lying. I think the real problem is Haidt position is "don't do this because it will hurt you" and the Penny's characterizing his position as "don't do this because you'll hurt me". Haidt's teammate is arguing "i sucked it up, so can you" (which i don't think is fair) and Penny's teammate is at least attempting to argue that Haidt's wrong on the facts. But Penny talks more, and most of her points are about something no one else is really talking about.

The issue with that is many people think they're telling the truth. You can't just make a claim and not have supporting evidence. That's not how honest debates work. Many people listen to these debates and take things that support their narrative as true, not knowing the presenters claims arent substantiated or the argument is filled with fallacies. I listen to these things unbiased with a critical ear to learn, but I cannot, with a clear conscious, accept an argument as valid when there's no supporting information.

@@joshk7051 someone can just as easily invent a source during an oral debate, though, so it sounds like the format just isn't for you

@@TheoMurpse no, this discussion isn't my style at all. I like facts, not opinions.

@@joshk7051 but the ones who want truth will research the studies and other won't like the last five years because they can't handle the truth.

Interesting analogy...! (I thought of book-burning the other day as an analog of 8th century iconoclasm, since the Church used icons not only for venerating -- not worshipping! -- the saints/martyrs, but also for educating the faithful, before the printing press, widespread literacy, commonly available books, etc.) Hmmm....

Yes

No it's 21st century fascism. A few decide what the majority hear. They use violence if necessary and will ruin your life if you dare step out of line and dare challenge their ideology. Universities are producing far left nut jobs who refuse to listen to anything the don't like, but instead of walking away they protest, they no platform, they use violence. Sadly MSM hardly speaks of this over here, though i must admit i think it's starting to come to a head and to the publics attention finally. Luckily those of us who don't go to uni don't have our head in the clouds, we don't have safe spaces to run too when some fella gives you a load of crap whilst your working as a waitress or retail worker. We have to actually go out into the real world after college or school and actually work, pay tax, whilst students spend their time getting hammered and rocking up hung over to their lectures, they pay no tax, their loans pay their bills and is all pretty much done for them. They have no idea how much of a b###h life is, they don't understand nor want to understand peoples worries about immigration numbers, who have valid real points and concerns, yet they can't be heard because it will hurt peoples feelings...what about peoples physical health when the NHS eventually collapses because the population growth is too rapid and the NHS cannot cope with the strain (this will happen, it's not if it's when), but these concerns that are rooted in common sense if nothing else aren't being heard. These liberal uni robots shut anyone down who tries to have a debate about it, anyone who challenges them are bigoted, racist, homophobes and best of all a fascist. ...funny the centre and right wing also liberals with common sense and a functioning brain thats able to think, don't want to shut the far left down, we want to debate, they don't want to hear so they suppress dissenters of their ideology.

@@libertasdemocratiam887 Anti Semitism is missing off your list of accusations. That's the most common term used when criticism presents them.

@@libertasdemocratiam887 That's true ... you have social media to fuck up your brains even worse. There is no more center-right. It's gone to alt-right freaks glued to their Facebook and Google accounts that call shitposting "entrepreneurship". Get into the real world.

In the UK lol yeah. Not the U.S Here we have free speech.

Shadow Ling free speech ? Think I remember that from my childhood....

I can't believe that he is allowed to spew this divisive & racist stuff. I saw him on the BBC once. He feels very triggered by these flags 🇬🇧 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 although he chooses to live in the UK, he wants them banned. He is a privileged black man in the UK, because by their laws he should be arrested for hatespeech.

@@shadowling77777 IN the Us he would be killed.

and when they run out of things to say that make sense they bring up slavery ... like i thought that went away 150 years ago.. wah my great great great great great great dad owned yours. wah.. so that now excuses them of being racist themselves.. let me state 2 things.. one.. i have never been a racist.. two. never owned anybody. get off the slavery thing. jesus. go back 1800 yrs. im sure my rallies could of been roman slaves.. .. have they stopped to think the reason why people treat them (both off them sitting on the left) differently is because they are pretty fu cking annoying..

I know, can you believe it? He is a professor!!!!!! And he has access to young minds. That should scare the pants off sane people.

@@gordonthefreeman Ah, a classic Hitchens quote.

He was on GMB a while ago claiming the English Flag was a symbol of racism, when pushed he had to give the crusades as an example, despite the English Flag having not been used at that period.

@@gordonthefreeman i disagree. Give him all the platform he wants. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

@@icecell platform to speak yes, platform to teach, fuck no

Not enough of the world listened to, I think. I'm about her age, her ideas seemed pretty off-putting to me too

she seemed obsessed with Milo Yiannopoulos. what I would pay to see her locked in an elevator, debating him. :-)))))

@@froggyfootball7572 But what would happen if Milo invited her to his room for some coffee?

Im very left leaning and I fucking hate her. She puts forth a frantic, manic energy that is off putting.

I don’t know where that lecturer lives but if he’s from Britain as he sounds like he is, where exactly does he think graduates will work where they won’t meet diversity? Surely the UK is one of the most diverse societies in the world? I’m not much older than him I’d say but he sounds brain washed. His use of the word violence is utterly ridiculous. The people of Syria are experiencing violence. The victims of the bombings in Christchurch or Sri Lanka are victims of violence. An associate professor in a third level institution in the western world invited to speak in such company on such a stage is privileged and most certainly is not experiencing violence by merely a notion in his head of inequality. Good God we need to toughen up people!! It’s like a badge of honour to adopt weakness! Try forced immigration, death of entire families, false imprisonment for size if you want to talk about troubles... I honestly think we don’t have enough to worry about in the west any more and now we are just making things up to moan about.

So what's wrong with being a victim if you are a victim? How about not blaming victims but instead the perpetrator?

@@yueotsutsuki4553 Nothing wrong with it. Unless there is no real 'perpetrator', but only an overly sensitive 'victim'. You shouldn't be afraid to talk to a woman, because you might say something offensive, if the 'offense' is something normal. Like saying 'have a look' to a blind person. You a: aren't always (immediately) able see that someone is blind, and b: most blind people want you to talk 'normal'. It's usually other people that find it awkward. I'm not talking about things that are commonly seen as offensive. I'm talking about people with very long toes, that are almost hoping you'll say or do something they can make a fuss about. So, I'm not talking about real bullying, sexist behaviour and that kind of unlawful behaviour or behaviour generally found unacceptable (like slapping a woman's butt), but things like being called the wrong gender by accident (what happened to me regularly, when I had long hair. Despite my beard :) ). It sometimes seems being the oddball is the standard today and everyone is very, very very, entitled. But nobody talks about the duty that goes with rights and nobody talks about the responsibility that comes with priviledge. For me it's all a sign of decadence. Through history there's war. Not that I want war, but kids today have such luxury lives. They are spoiled rotten and can't handle any criticism. A war makes people aware of what's important and what's not. People who don't accept reality die and after the war everybody who's survived is very busy getting thing up and running again. It makes people humble. Now compare to the spoiled kids who think it's a crime if someone says something 'offensive' to them. Not DO something offensive, but just and only SAY something 'offensive'. If those offensive things are also seen as not offensive to 99% of people, than there is something going very wrong in society. It can and may never be that the few rule the many. Not in a democracy! And might you think there's no spoiling in kids today. Muscle mass of todays young generations is 30-40% less than kust 30 yrs ago. Twelve year olds have diabetes type 2, are obese, need physiotherapy for their necks and backs caused by smart phone use. Kids make hundreds to even thousands of selfies a day. How narcissistic can you get? And what's the gain? Cause people who do really offend are not going to think differently because a word is forbidden. So we got the N-word, the G-word, etc., etc. Does it mean there is no discrimination anymore? I can call my mate an *sshole without offending him. Why? Cause he knows my intentions! There is trust that I mean to tease him, not offend him. It's the way I say it that makes the difference. Today everyone has long toes and if you drop even a feather on those sensitive toes ....... Because they are programmed (brought up) to distrust and seek offense in everyone and everything and they're 'entitled'! We have a comedian here that made a sketch (in the 1970's) about a guy telling a joke. After starting with: There were 2 Chinese walking in the park. He gets an telephone call. The caller is offended because it's about 2 Chinese and that it's discriminating. 2nd Call is about walking in the park, disturbing the birds or some BS. Everytime the guy adjusts his story to match the caller's demands. So, you can imagine the story falls completely apart and at the end, the last caller says: wouldn't the joke be much better if it was about 2 Chinese walking the park, etc., etc.. At which pont the storyteller tries to pull put his hair and is pulled offstage by men in white doctor's clothes. Get my drift? If you let this thrive, you'll end up with an Orwellian society, where everyone is afraid to say anything to anyone. Life isn't always fun and cetainly never fair. The sooner you learn, the better you'll be able to cope.

They are filled with a lot of hate, and i dont think they can build anything lasting good out of that

@@arturama8581 Nice comment. About the most famous comedian in Belgium made a similar joke. People complaining about his joke, so then he had to adjust it, and in the end cuz of the adjustments it became an even more offensive joke. It's not possible to translate the joke into english alas.

@@arturama8581 brilliantly phrased! As a 21 y/o crazed by the current “woke” culture gaining momentum around me.. I agree with every word of yours 💯 It’s been maddening, listening to their hate and their rhetorics. And at just 21, I’m gravely concerned about the future generation. It’s a downward spiral from genZ

You could hear it during the clapping. The people on the left got a lot less of it when they made their point. It doesn't help that they laughed at the one questioner at one point.

Dude when that black guy stood up and said in about three words that he wasn't on the dude's side I almost gave him a standing ovation. It's such a thing in the black community that if you don't accept the oppression narrative then you're basically a traitor to the race. There was something so brave about him just voicing opposition to what the guy on stage would deem to be "his own kind"

Yes. I knew they had lost when all they had left was mocking laughter.

Free speech is a human right, not a special condition for only certain people. It's a universal principle.

I was there. The two idiots completely lost the audience. Towards the end no one applauded their racist, bigoted nonsense. They were dreadful and I felt so ashamed that they were all we had to offer to debate the two great and compassionate minds of Haidt and Sachs.

Adults arguing with children.

@Dwaine Castle ironically fox news is the only lame-stream entity that has it's toe in the water of truth, their pundits are obviously monitoring alternative-media for their talking points. your talking point was true in the early '90's now... not so much. the mainstream are dying and that is like the sword being dulled, the elites will not have that.

As a professor he can't permit himself that liberty

Gad Saad would be a good fit. He would put the two bigoted lefties in their place. I’m absolutely disgusted by their ignorant ideology. The so called professor is a disgrace.

Omg yes. How awesome would it be to have Hitchens throw a few slaps on those fragile pots

The difference between Haidt and Hitchens is that people walked away from debates with Christopher emboldened in their beliefs and truly believing that their side won, whereas there is no chance to two on stage left walked away from this debate thinking that they won. Gentle persistence is an effective tactic for actually changing minds. A meek affect can be extremely persuasive. Hitchens was exciting, but only if you already agreed with him.

@@jefftravilla Good point.

I think he has an issue with the British curriculum in which empire and slavery was never taught. History went from the classics, to the middle ages and Tudors, to the enlightenment, and then to WW1 and WW2. That's pretty effed up as we have an idealised/imagined sense of national history. And unfortunately explains a lot about the current crop of political leaders and ethno-nationalist rhetoric that is creeping into the mainstream

That's fine for the European History department but what about the rest of the knowledge in the world?

I’m not sure what type of history he would expect to learn about in a European university .. 🤔

@@palvishah89 except slavery and the empire is taught in schools and so is the Holocaust

Kehinde hates the white man. He said they disgust him....a racist

That wasn't the point...the point was lets do a hypothetical here(not based on reality) and see if there is anyway possible we can enter the shoes of someone else...I think the moderator did awesome in helping me see the far left point of view or at least thy nodded their heads in agreement with the scenarios she presented....but I still wasnt' able to feel their pain

Yet, what is with all the likes? I can only assume the answer to that is a resounding no, right? I was just about to quit it when she said that stupid sh!te. I am only 5 minutes in, so I hope it gets better.

@Jochanan Berohart deleted that idiotic pro-censorship statement. Just as well, I was about to tell 'em just how ignorant he/she was.

I am straining to be open to censorship---it hurts. I'm going with the benefit of the doubt that there is some sort of logic to that line of thinking. I'm not too good with history but censorship never seemed like a path out of oppression.

The moderator is definitely bias to the left. You can imagine the outrage if she was thoughtfully jotting down the comments from the older Caucasian man, then pointed at the black student to hurry her thoughts along. Trust me, it's not only conservatives paying attention to sh¡t like that.

Watching any of her forays into interviewing intellectual opponents, on YT is a thoroughly uncomfortable experience & confirms her immovability beyond her orthodox leftism.

She got more than 1?

That's very apparent in this debate, I agree. The lady sitting to the right hand of the facilitator particularly makes emotional arguments.

Yeah, I needed to see if anyone else had to pause there. "It's profoundly patronizing..." when someone asks me to provide some evidence or even a rational justification for my opinion. My indignation IS my evidence and you must concede or I simply label you a bigot.

omg, i was thinking the same think. what a joke.

She doesn’t even address his point. Not even once. She instead went on a rant about history. She is talking about tactics when she is right before your eyes changing the topic.

@Jeffrey Lebowski Ironically the UK mainstream is actually rather oppressive if you have wrongthink opinions. A lot of the stories I've heard recently coming out of the UK are outright dystopian. Express any level of disapproval / criticism towards minorities on social media and risk literally having cops knocking on your door telling you to be 'mindful' of what you say online. ( kzfaq.info/get/bejne/h7FjfNthqc63o2w.html ) These are the kinds of cultures people like that woman create, and the irony is totally lost on them. Sad really.

as she rolls her eyes for the 47th time. :-)))

They show me how fucking stupid Conservatives are, forever whining about everyone else's wrongdoing other than their own. Trump is the perfect example of what is SO WRONG with the USA right now. And the ONLY chance our Country has is if Biden wins in November. Otherwise, the virus will NEVER end under Trump and unemployment is gonna never get better. Trump has no clue how to put Americans back to work. Obama had done that work for him, the first half of his Coup attempt with Putin. He's gonna be arrested, the moment he loses in November, so I"m looking forward to see him taken in to custody and thrown in prison with his horny black cellmate BUBBA! BUBBA will show Trump how RAPE IS REALLY DONE! He's had plenty of experience.

@@ColonPal how on earth did you get what you said from what the first comment said.

@@leelahasan3988 Thanks for asking Leela, I was giving a warning to all Americans that Trump's attacks on Freedom of speech is a terrible thing and LUCKILY people believed my comment and elected Biden, so I"m SO GRATEFUL THAT I MADE THAT COMMENT 7 months ago or Joe could have not won. The reason I wrote it is because Biden is president today. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to educate you. You can thank me later.

@@ColonPal Congratulations! You've won the "most arrogant comment of the week" award! You've also been entered for a chance to win the "Most arrogant comment of the year" award! Well done and keep up the overconfidence!

i didn’t mean to dislike your comment my b

Asians outperform white ppl in academics and avg income alike, destroying the minority argument.

Of course. I knew that before I clicked play. The black man did nothing but complain about white men. Racism. Racism. Racism. So tired.

He goes too soft on people trying to curtail free speech. He has a lot of good ideas, but he gives them too much ground.

@Abdul Hannan Abdul Matheen In some cases I agree...but there are points where he could really get at the core issues, but lays down to try and placate feelings...which just emboldens them to use those feelings arguments more.

@Abdul Hannan Abdul Matheen Hitchens was a bit of a one trick pony if we're honest. I must admit to worshipping him when I was in the adolescent phase of my atheism about 10 years ago (around the time that "The God Delusion" was fashionable), but as I developed my views he became less and less interesting to me. It's a great shame we don't have his devastating polemic wit to tackle the issues we see on our screen now. I am quite impressed with his brother, Peter, in the years since Christopher died, even if he can be a little black pilled for my taste.

Abdul Hannan Abdul Matheen may he Rest In Peace

i'm probably midway between both arguments with respect to colleges, but what gives with the snickering and sighs from people opposing Haidt. I've seen this in several videos with Haidt, and others arguing against safe spaces in colleges. I just dont get this part, and part of me thinks it speaks volumes of those people. Here's some advice to those advocating for full blown safe spaces, do not snicker or sigh while the opposing side is making their case. It makes you look immature

absolutely

Amen.

Yes and the more they spoke, the more they proved his point

I don't think the young woman's two mom's would agree with that.

@@joemendiuk5683 Hahaha!

Nah, he saw it coming. Just because technology changes, Authoritarians remain the same. This is simply the cycle of humanity.

It was never fiction

all the same, what a great opportunity to put their weak position in it's place. I've been enlightened having heard these two men on the right side.

Maybe you're classical liberal, or say libertarian? Those seem to be on the right now. Center has moved )))

@@adrianalexandrov7730 Exactly bro I'm a liberatrian/classical liberal too, which used to be at the centre-left in 19th and 20th centuries. But recently, this position has been shifted to the centre-right.

@@amanshukla8758 I find this left-right dichotomy misleading. Political trichotomy seem to be closer to reality kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pLd2Z7GL3bqUoKc.html

@@adrianalexandrov7730 Damn right mate I do think the trichotomy is actually much more accurate than the dichotomy However there's also a rhombus-shaped spectrum Just telling

any thought actually in this case

Teach them to recognize dreck, read the classics with them, the great philosophers; teach them to DISCUSS.

@@susansargent396 please. Your children will do what all good children do and ignore you until they have gained enough life experience to decide what aspects of your philosophy is worth keeping and then ask you about it. Spend more time being a person your child can respect and will want to emulate some day.

@@daolong51279 What kind of parenting did you get that you that's how you think children are supposed to behave?

Your preconception that ALL parents are NOT parenting, WRONG! The advise I gave was based on experience. You may want to confront you preconceptions, since clearly they have begun confronting you! What responsibilities have you voluntarily picked up? Or are you more of the #DirtyDNC ilk? @@daolong51279

@Ulf ViKings I'm awkward with any compliment but thanks nonetheless hahaha

Honestly - because they have no real intellectuals to argue for them

@@filemot25 I guess you're right. I honestly have no idea how you could reasonably disagree with Haidt on this matter, he's one of the most respectful, considerate, nuanced, balanced and moderate intellectuals i've come across so far.