Next 3kliksphilip's video: How nuke sucks (part 957)

7:07 worst place for bomb to fall

How to balance nuke Step 1: Make it a Hostage map Step 2: ??? Step 3: Profit

The reason dust 2 is so stale, is because it's the most common map. If you have dust 2 in when searching for maps, there is a pretty big chance you'll get it. It's not a bad map, it's just that eating the same dish, day in, day out, is awful.

My brain is overheating from this video

You just gave everyone who plays dust 2 only to keep just playing dust 2

I hope valve will port de_prodigy to cs go. it was my favorite map ;'(

de_nuke2?

A few days ago I had a game where we were getting raped as CTs on Nuke. By halftime it was 15-0 for the Ts and one of the enemies was spamming how bad we were for fucking up CT-side so much. On T-side we managed to tie 15-15. I was the weirdest game I have ever played in my 500 hours of CSGO

don't completely agree don't completely disagree.

The most annoying part of t side for me is when ct have awps, nades and all the gear they need, the ts have to pull of some ridiculous strat to win

I bloody love your way of thinking, you are a genius at what you do, and I hope you keep doing it to the high standard consistent in all of your videos. You set the whole thing up so clearly and make it seem easy to a simple viewer such as myself!

What is your opinion on perfectly symmetrical (except for a few similar props or textures)? Something like 2fort from Team Fortress 2 for example? For all intents and purposes the map is perfectly balanced from a design point of view, why is it that competitive games aren't played on these kinds of maps?

Only you could call nuke a plate of potatoes.

It's always nice to listen to your speech. To learn from your tutorials, to see how you make maps, just keep doin what ya doin :D.

You separate from many other KZfaqrs. Your videos are getting much better with the time.

7:06 look at b tunnels and where the bomb ends up XD

I think all the maps should be balanced to be near 50% win rate to both sides.. that's a lot funnier to play than unbalanced maps.. I HATED nuke, thank god it's gone..

Was never disappointed from a video of you, keep up.

I love your videos so much I feel like I'm watching a good presentation on something actually interesting

I have a question: So, whenever I see replays of 360s or even pistol rounds, I always see the gun shoot, then the professional player gets a headshot, THEN the crosshair points at the opponent's head. How does the game know where the player will put their crosshair BEFORE the crosshair is aimed at where the bullet landed? Is this a delay (which doesn't seem possible), or is the game guessing where you would shoot if you were to keep moving the mouse at a constant speed, or what?

*3kliksphilips takes shots at Thorin by intentionally showing he's not subscribed to him* Just *kidding*.

Philip, I thoroughly enjoy your videos. Some are funny and sarcastic and some are high quality rambling sorta scientific.

Interesting stats on overpass. It's always a fun map to watch because it's so unpredictable. Good video as always :D

Having mained Nuke for a long ass time, I don't find it as CT sided as everyone else. Even though it really is. When playing in a team on Nuke, we usually end 8-7 or 10-5, being ahead on T side. Learning outside smokes and using spawns to your advantage helps a load on Nuke. Just never rush A, not even on ECO's.

"When a sniper kills you from half a mile away" That's what they're supposed to do...

really good video man! love how in depth you get

I didn't know about your channel until the whole Frankie thing...now you are my favorite informational CSGO channel.

I just want Season in the competitive pool and Inferno is the weakest link.

I'd like to add to the map balance discussion that your box map isnt balanced. cts have less one shot weapons, less power per bullet (atleast i think they do based on some of your statistic videos) so surely a simple one person on each side is imbalanced in at least some way due to the weapons available to the people. i think this plays a large part than we think in the balancing and discussion around balance. because realistically the teams perform different jobs. the ts side should be short straight paths with a fwe hiding spots towards what is then the more complex connection between the sites. because the cts should no be able to freely run between the sites. on a tdm, the ct side should theoretically have more cover allowing them to play a more defensive tdm style to match the weapons they have. i know that as a CT if i have to push into a bomb site to defuse i will always switch to an ak on the floor if i can becuase i am going to need that one shot potential. I don't really have a point i just found it interesting.

i would LOVE to have an hour of you just talking about stuff like this

love your videos. you give advanced statics and comparisons and you criticize objectively. awesome.

5:18 "Then nuke is a plate full of potatoes. Yeees they're nice, but you need to leave room for everything else." Following this logic if there was a good Irish team on CS:GO they would probably win ever match on nuke. Those Irish love their potatoes.

Olofpass is definitely not balanced evenly lol

when i see a 3kliksphilip video in my sub box, my face lights up with joy on Christmas morning.

One of your best videos 3kilksphilip. I love discussion of the meta. I don't agree with Thorin every time, and I enjoy your counter arguments towards his. Would love to hear you discus more on these topics in the future.

FOOD ANALOGY

Pistol rounds aren't random. if anything they are the rounds that show the team with the best strat, skill and aim. In buys rounds the outcome of the round could be decided from one player not having enough money to buy nades. So I don't see Nuke as a problem in the map pool, especally since it was replaced by train, a map that most pro teams obviously dislike and is still just as CT sided as nuke.

Happy 1 Year Birthday for this video!

Overpass is my favorite map because of the cool layout and the balance

revisit in 2019?

This won't change the thoughts that Nuke is my favourite map

i like your videos because it gets to the point. No boring/long ass intro

I have to keep this in mind as I'm currently in the process of making a map of my own!

Nuke is my favorite map it's so much more fun to play than dust 2 even if your losing

How did overpass go from being very well balanced to ct sided?

Philip I have a nice idea for a future video. Could you talk about aspects that relate to reaction time in CSGO? For example, talk about latency, input lag of peripherals(mouse, keyboard, and monitor), how many milliseconds you can see a ct crossing mid doors in dust 2 for, aiming at corners(and how far to aim if you use optimal reaction time), etc. Basically, a video about latency, input lag, and reaction time :)

Very very nice vid, full of level design points. Tnx

Great video as always, Philip! But I hear something... different. Why does your voice sound a bit more echo-y?

I notice in the stats that most maps are CT-sided. Some may have to do with the map layout, yes, but another thing that I noticed is they are all defuse maps. In these types of games, even on a perfectly balanced map CTs have and advantage right off the bat, because they have a passive objective, which is preventing the bomb from being planted; while Ts have an active objective of having to plant the bomb. Only when (and if) the bomb is planted the roles are inverted, and the CTs have an active objective of defusing the bomb, and Ts have to defend it. To illustrate what i'm trying to say, suppose both teams do absolutely nothing. Who wins? CTs of course, because the Ts failed their objective of planting the bomb. This scenario obviously changes when the bomb is planted, where if nothing is done from there the bomb detonates and Ts win. But overall, the CTs only have to hide killing whoever enters a certain room, and if the bomb carrier is down (just 1 player) then their objective is halfway done, because all they have to do is defend it from being picked up again, so everyone flocks to the where the bomb has dropped and the round is pretty much settled. The total opposite is in hostage rescue maps, where CTs have the active objective, and Ts a passive one, but there are none of those in the competitive map pool (I don't know why, anyone care to tell me?). I would like to see stats on these types of maps (like assault, office, etc.), because I bet they are more T-sided in general. One last thing. It's true that teams switch at half time, but "halftime" is not exactly at the half of the rounds played, I'ts a fixed 15 rounds of a total possible of 30. The truth is, most games don't reach 30 rounds, so the team that starts as CT has the advantage of playing 15 rounds as CT. I think it would make more sense balance-wise to switch at every round, to make it an equal amount of rounds being played on either side. Then again, it's just an idea and I haven't put much thought into it.

the most British analogy of nuke there. "If nuke was a roast, it would be a plate of potatoes".

Under rated video. Amazing content.

I don't mind maps that are somewhat sided (Mirage, Cache, Overpass). But maps like Nuke and Inferno are just too sided. A bad team can beat a good team on Nuke simply because they start T side, get a few rounds and then just easily win out on CT side. Half of playing Nuke is shooting terrorists in the feet before they can see you.

I like maps that are slightly unbalanced, like Inferno

This is good stuff, especially since it pretty much confirms that I should probably shoot for 3 maps for a game alpha or beta. One attacker sided, one defender sided, and one perfectly balanced map.

If there is a tournament next year that's gonna be on april fools day, they need to add; Militia, Office and a bunch of other not active map pool maps there so we can see the pro strats for the map.

02:05 the hell happened there?

3kiliks u so fab

The nuke part of the video hurts me knowing how nuke is now

Nuke is easier to play CT side, but the fun - at least for me - comes in when its down to a 2v2 or 1v1 (maybe even 3v3) because of the fast rotations through many different paths. It allows you to outsmart your opponent and keep you on your toes from all angles.

Am i the only one who thinks a side nuke would be a lot better if they took out the rafters completely. Its a hassle having to check them and makes a site very ct sided.

6:56 "Even a mere porn can make a big difference."

3kliksphilip is the reason I start mapping in source, with his excellent easy to learn tutorials, I don´t enjoy CS but I do watch his videos because they always have something interesting.

I always thought that the way Nuke did the bombsites was so weird. Like Old Inferno in 1.6 I would love to see a remix of Nuke that puts the bombsites in Ramp room and on Outers, or in Garage.

Nuke is my favourite map(don't ask me why) and I've gone 15-0 on t before. this was in gn3 and it doesn't seem as ct sided as it does in pro games.

I agree, which is why I disagree with Valve's decision to reinstate the new Nuke for competitive over Inferno. I can't wait for Inferno to come back

Right when he mentioned the potato analogy I was eating dinner with a plate half covered with a baked potato

Please start the SDK Series again, I really liked it and that's what helped me in becoming a serious mapper.

Yes Dust2 is balanced but it's boring aswell.. Only rifle gameplay on way too simple corridors, no interessting positions..

Sorry Mate, but i think you've lost the plot on this point. One thing that redditors (less experienced CS players) don't actually realize, in my opinion, is that (most of) the best maps NEED to be "CT sided" to the average pug game, if they're to be good. If most of these players had their way, they would have it so T sides could get half the rounds by simply walking up together and taking aim duels; maybe throwing 1 or 2 flashes, and a smoke. CS would be a TERRIBLE game if you could win a ton of T rounds by doing this against equally skilled opponents! The whole point of map balance is such that a fully equipped CT side always has the inherent advantage when T's enter a site normally; what i mean by this is that if the T's lack info, have not manipulated the CT side at all, and simply choose to "enter" a random site based on a whim, then, in THIS case, the CT side should always win the majority of the time. Why? Because that's the point of the game. The T side needs to use map control, information, and various strategies and reads to manipulate CT sides so as to open up a weakness in the defense. ONLY THEN should the T side have favorable exchanges when they execute. The CT's, have to try their best to counter whatever the T side is trying to achieve by collecting as much information and preventing T map control without giving up any picks. This cat and mouse game between the sides is what makes Counter Strike so good, tactical, and team-based. THAT is what a TRULY balanced map achieves. It's not to do with how many rounds each team wins. You might point out, "hey, that makes it way harder for Ts to get as many rounds as CTs!". Well, frankly, yes, it does. But isn't it obvious that the whole economy of the game is designed to fit this model? CT's have a much more difficult economy to manage, meaning that they have to remain consistent and solid in all rounds (even winning whilst losing 3 or 4 players is not enough to maintain economic control). This often means that a good T half (6-7 rounds) might only require 2 or maybe 3 wins against fully equipped CT sides. If every map were balanced STATISTICALLY, the game would lose so much of what it is. It would mean T sides could be consistently successful by simply calling "let's split a with 2 flashes" in freeze-time and just overwhelming the CTs, because the angles and design no longer inherently favor the defense. Remember, CTs have to go 2 v 5 in a rush! Does anyone really want that to be the case?? There is a reason Dust2 is called the 'pug-map' amongst any skilled player. Because it's the map where the puggy, less coordinated teams have a chance to upset tactically superior teams. Don't get me wrong, Dust2 is an amazing map, but its a rarity; an exception to the rule. Let's take an almost perfect analogy; the most watched, played and followed sport in the world. Football. (the one where you actually use your feet). How often is an attack on goal actually successful in football? One in ten? twenty? Who knows the actual statistic, but the point is, the defenders clearly have an inherent advantage in their activity; it's much easier to stop someone scoring a goal than to score one yourself. But now imagine that everyone starting getting upset about this, claiming that it's too hard for strikers, and that it's unfair that so few attacks should be successful. So now let's think, that they changes the rules in response. Now, you can only have 3 defenders at a time, or whatever, so that 50 percent of the attacks ended up as a goal. That would COMPLETELY RUIN THE SPORT! The whole point of attacking is trying to pass the ball around, make space, draw out defenders, so as to OPEN UP a weakness. That is what makes the sport so exciting and brilliant! One final point. You say in your video that on maps like Nuke that T's usually only get rounds due to mistakes by the CT side. But this could be said about anything! 'Oh well the T's only won because the CT side didn't head-shot them all when they came in.' 'oh well messi only scored then because the left back was out of position'. 'Oh, Federer only won Wimbledon because his opponent missed his lob'. Sports are comprised of imperfect humans; attacking is just as much about drawing out mistakes from the defenders as it is about 'perfect play'.

I watched a 20 minute ad for you. you're welcome for the maybe a thousandth of a cent.

Wow, this is actually so interesting i might get into Hammer map design and try to make balanced games. The hardest part would probably be finding people to test it.

I love Nuke, its the best map in the game. If they change it, I'm going to be so mad. Sure it's unbalanced, but if you are better on t side, then you can do pretty well. Usually, it's 7-8 in my games, if I start on T side. CT side, its 11-4 or 13-2. It is balanced, just in a completely different way than in cs. You need to play a different way to do well on t side nuke.

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When I played nuke when it was in active duty, a lot of people would argue that it was fine we started on t because we will eventually get to play ct, even if they won every round we could still draw, by the time your done losing continuously, even if you were as good as the other team when they played morale is as low as the waiting time on dust 2, whereas the other team are as high and elated as Aztecs waiting time

eating pizza. watching philip newest video. best part of my day.

de_dust2 sucks! Waiting for hate comments

if Dust II was a meal, it would be a ham and cheese sandwich made at home. mediocre, bland, no personality.

hey Philip, can you make a video regarding table top desk space and mouse pad sizes? I'm pretty sure there's people out there that suffer from playing on small desks with little mouse movement space (like me)

Love your videos :) Am excited about the new de_nuke!

I agree! A potatoes are the best, but if you don't leave room for say salt, or some type of meat they just aren't worth the time it takes to eat them! Thank you Philip, finally I can explain this to people properly!

I have been sketching and planning out a map-layout both on paper and in my mind. I just don't know where to go from here :/ Would really like to make something out of it, but I have no clue where to start as Hammer seems too complicated for me.

7:06 That bomb though

I wonder how many strats you can think up on that 1 v 1 person map klik made. I bet a ton

Your channel is so dank.

I salute you and your opinion which I share, but also hold confidence that in time Valve will balance all maps

My opinion is that Nuke is entertaining to play exactly because you can turn the match around completely when you switch sides. So if you random queue it's often about winning some rounds as T and trying to keep angry russians in the mood to stick around for the latter half, and often you will draw or win even with a horrible start. (and I'm saying that as one that very rarely get to start as CT on Nuke)

I loved nuke before they reworked it. The T-side was a challenge. And it was fun. Picking people of outside, or on ramp, or in main. Leavning the enemy team in a situation were they have to figure out if i'll use it to push or fake. Like. It had a lot of mindgames. And once you mastered it the T-side was no longer like "running into a brick wall".

Please review Mikla, the supreme map where terrorists sometimes get to site before CTs

There are many signs that there will be a Nuke remake soon. Im so exited about it.

Did anyone notice the bomb fly ontop of the boxes in B site at 7:04 ?

When I think of mapping, I always wonder what measurements are on official maps when getting started, and it just takes too much work to decompile them to check... Do you think you could make a master video where you look at hammer unit sizes of all areas and places that matter for timings and chokepoint fights in relation to their unit sizes and the range they enable? Showing unit size of all areas of official maps, and then maybe you can sneak in cool info about verticality and rotation and utility knowledge too that would be great! There is no real good source engine sdk scale masterguide anywhere as far as i've looked.

great video as always! could you explain us the pattern of the bomb when its dropped at the death of the terrorist? i never understood that Anyway love your content!

I would love to have a special form of competitive were you would veto maps to decide the map and it would be 128 tick with premades only (an official valve version)

What would be interesting would be a one way access for Terrorist to A site heaven. This could turn the tables drastically as CT's who will still access heaven quicker will have to watch for a peak at a similar level inaccessible for them (unless allowed by a boost or something). This would definitely encourage more A site pushes. Note: T-spot Heaven on A-site would be placed on the same side as CT Heaven meaning it will take time to get too and still be vulnerable to CT members already hiding along the rails in A-site. Just an interesting thought I had while watching this video again.

Back when I used to play competitively (source) nuke used to be my favorite map, especially on T. I was pretty good, especially for the era, but my playstyle used to rest very heavily on quick reactions and exceptional aim (especially close-mid distance). My gamesense, mostly tracking enemies (because I could often get the shot anyway), and especially consistency (high mouse sens) were my weak side. So as nuke I could often pull off very aggressive picks from a strongly disadvantaged position which would single handedly win the round. It didn't matter if half the rounds I was inconsistent because they would be lost rounds anyway. My gamesense didn't matter as much at all, after I got the picks the rest of my team could lock down the round. Dust2 just felt overplayed and generally bland. The map might be well balanced but that means it never had any character to me. I wish dust2-only teams weren't so popular in the day but its nice to see that's improving a little these days, even if I am no longer playing.

Philip, could you ever make a video about LOLYOU bhops? :D

I honestly love T side Nuke, but only while playing with friends so we can actually plan and take on A site or outside together.

Time to binge watch all of these videos. Global here I come.

Hey Philip have you ever concidered streaming on Twitch. I for one would love to see you play cs live.