The Best Bang for your Buck? The Kingroon KP3S 3d printer

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Is the KP3s from Kingroon the best budget 3d printer out there, or do some of the design choices make it a pitfall? Lets take it to the bench and dive into it
Thank you to Kingroon for providing this machine for testing and evaluation, if you are interested in getting one for yourself check out
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www.amazon.ca/dp/B08F51LNKH
0:00 INTRO
0:56 Initial Thoughts
1:46 Specs
3:03 Toolhead Breakdown
4:27 X-Z axis
5:58 Y-Axis
6:18 The Bed
8:10 Ports, power and spool holder
9:47 Touch Screen
10:00 Assembly
10:43 Y-Axis Flaw?
11:48 Electronics
13:35 Cantilever Drooping?
14:45 How does it print?
18:48 Final Thoughts
21:20 Outro
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@_predator_3513 2 жыл бұрын

A few people have Klippered these machines recently and push some pretty amazing speeds from it in fairness. You can print a base which sites under the unit and houses the PSU + a Pi, I’d like to see your mods on this and see how far you can push it without adding any additional hardware aside from a pi. Ps X and Y belt tensioner mods are available to print.

@starkastic 2 жыл бұрын

Your printer reviews are getting polished. Perfect amount of detail.

@ryangamble5131 2 жыл бұрын

I definitely was impressed with mine for $80 used. I did the top mounted spool roller, PSU underneath riser mod, klipper, and textured pei. Nice little printer now.

@Drew_pew_pew_pew 2 жыл бұрын

I bought a printer with all bells and whistles with the idea of it being my daily driver. Sadly enough it's becoming a project. So bought the kp3s as a backup. The magnetic bed on mine is stronger. I put on a bed probe, pei sheet and Klipper. Now this is my little workhorse with zero issues. Of all the reviews I have seen yours gives the best overview of the pro's and cons 👍

@t1mblumer 2 жыл бұрын

I love mine. It worked great straight out of the box. I've only added a PEI sheet and a spool holder

@teckougeki 6 ай бұрын

I bought this for 80usd brandnew when it was on sale. Really impressed with the quality and speed.

@jeffs3dcorner 2 жыл бұрын

Great video. Did a review about a year ago with the old style extruder. Upgraded it with the new extruder. Still going strong.

@2iinfinite 2 жыл бұрын

To fix that fan sound, get a bit of ptfe lubricant(oil) and drop a bit of it into the middle of that fan! This worked for me with a cheap pi fan

@randoviews9846 2 жыл бұрын

The 3010 fan is sealed (cant oil it). Just go for a 4010 fan and solder it. You'd have to ditch the metal housing and print a bracket for both fans. Worked out in the end for my KP3s.

@jfichl Жыл бұрын

Tyvm - got this thing for 134€, added a Linux compatible tv box (T95max, 25€), put klipper on it - now i have to keep myself from tuning it further. I have no issues using ASA, since the PTFE doesn't got to the nozzle but ends at the heat break (that can lead to clogging if it isn't flush). All in all: a great little machine.

@bookie60 2 жыл бұрын

I love mine. its everything I wanted fixed on my Cetus.

@backgammonbacon 2 жыл бұрын

I think you will find writing a script will be right up your alley.

@riccaregio 2 жыл бұрын

I bought one as my first printer after your previous streamings and I am very happy. It's built solid as a brick. Ok out of the box is not mind blowing fast but as you said it has potential and for the moment I am happy to familiarise myself with slicer settings and various filaments materials (not ABS untill I switch the heartbreak which cost £5 for a pair in the Kingroon shop). Like the one you have tested I had no issues with the provided config for the slicer. I am using prusaslicer. Thank for the great suggestions.

@afternoons_n_coffeespoons 2 жыл бұрын

I’m glad to see that Kingroon finally got their crap together, the original KP3 was a serious fire hazard. They offered me one of the KP3s machines in exchange for taking down one of my videos explaining several of the issues that led to me getting rid of mine.

@user-yk1cw8im4h 2 жыл бұрын

yes it is THE best for this price range

@nickrudd2568 10 ай бұрын

Just brought one of these printers to boogie on with while i scratch my head with my Enders. It was brand new put together and never used. Im picking it up tomorrow. I hope for happy days. (I was going to buy the Lerdge iX Printer but they apparently have no way of shipping to the UK.... Their loss, I was set to buy. Saved alot buying this though.)

@chuck2501 Жыл бұрын

just bought a "parts" one on ebay. missing a few bits but the website has me covered... can't wait to try this.

@jjsemperfi 2 жыл бұрын

Just ordered one (second printer) with a 13% off coupon from Kingroon (did the old, add to cart and let sit for a day, they sent me a coupon in the email). $157.52 shipped. I'm currently Klipperizing my Biqu B1 and wanted a smaller second printer for traveling and as a backup while I'm busy modding my B1. For the price, it seems like a great little printer. Also, I'm keeping my B1 as a Bowden setup (just did a volcano all metal hot end) so it'll be nice having the KP3S for flexibles.

@TheVevaxel 2 жыл бұрын

I had one it was awsome

@2iinfinite 2 жыл бұрын

Im wondering would it be possible to remove the z endstop and use it as a klicky probe

@azamatbagatov7486 2 жыл бұрын

How does it fair up to the ender 2 pro?

@notchipotle Жыл бұрын

prints great out of the box, no complain so far, just as good as ender 2 pro when it comes to print quality

@danielzittel3890 2 жыл бұрын

what is the name of the black pei flex plate ?

@NathanBuildsRobots Жыл бұрын

11:03 That is the belt tensioner. You just bend it until the belt tension is right 😆

@wilidrone6127 Жыл бұрын

hi.. Is there any way to calibrate the extruder?

@wolffin100 2 жыл бұрын

Just got one of these and after about 6 hours of printing the plastic wheel on the extruder is clicking on the metal drive part, is there readily available parts for these or should I send it back , it prints great other than the slack in the extruder. Thanks for a great video

@amtechprinters3339 2 жыл бұрын

Ive been very happy with this printer and how cheap it could get if examble need small farm Its not best, but I think its best by price by far Its making usually very good prints anyway, its just lack of some features etc, could even print TPU at 60mm/s speed That loudness of fans?! :D Mine was very silent, some bad quality u had

@hgelpke 2 жыл бұрын

Anybody got a klipper config for this?

@AndrewHelgeCox Жыл бұрын

Can it take a wide nozzle like 1mm, and what is the maximum volumetric flow you can pump through that?

@AndrewHelgeCox Жыл бұрын

How fast can it go with quality appropriate to functional prints in stock configuration?

@SM3Dcreations 2 жыл бұрын

This vs ender 3? both same price on amazon uk dont know what one to buy now :/

@Rakietomania 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome review! I've ordered one from the official website (tho they've sent it from China warehouse instead of EU which I've chosen). I'd love to see you add a couple of cool mods to it (tensioners, PSU base and ofc klipper)

@Tryant69 Жыл бұрын

Didn't you have to pay crazy import tax then?

@brodi1374 2 жыл бұрын

How to upgrade kp3s z speed?

@NexGen-3D Жыл бұрын

Just an FYI, the board is not a MKS Robin, it does not match any of them, the Robin v1.1/1.2/1.3 have end stop and ribbon cable connecters where the heater and fan connectors are, basically a mirror image of this board, but other components are in different locations, it also does not match the Robin Nano V3 and looks nothing like the Robin Pro, Robin Mini or the Robin Lite, biy they really like the Robin name.

@NexGen-3D Жыл бұрын

Follow up: I have spoken to Kingroon and is indeed a Makerbase board, but its a custom one made for them, but is still very similar to a Robin board, newest version has TMC2225 integrated drivers.

@fauest Жыл бұрын

Any chance you could recommend an upgrade to my tool end on a SLICEWORX KP3S Pro considering the current market? I'm currently doing basic printing with PETG but hope to get into higher temp filaments. I have officially worn out my hot end from so much usage and am out of commission haha

@27TMAN27 2 жыл бұрын

I suppose my only question about this is, what would change to make it capable of printing ABS? I imagine it would need a metal heatbreak, but from what I've seen online, it's not a standard hotend.

@CanuckCreator 2 жыл бұрын

All metal hotend, and a better magnet+flexplate for the bed

@sp4nerino 2 жыл бұрын

I printed all the abs parts for my 2.4v with one of these changed the extruder/hotend for a bmg wind and used a cardboard box as the enclosure

@riccaregio 2 жыл бұрын

Kingroon shop has a specific all metal heartbreak (2 for £5)

@dtaggartofRTD 2 жыл бұрын

interesting machine. For the most part, the money appears to be in the parts that matter.

@ArmyOfThree1000 Жыл бұрын

My bed is out of square but because of how this is built you can’t fix it I don’t know if I should just return it or run with it

@Borkery 2 жыл бұрын

I own an original Kp3 that ive increased the Z to 400 on. and a kp3s that ive increased the Z to 400 on. Both printers can have there Z extended to 400mm without having to extend a single wire. all the wires are long enough. super cheap upgrade an you can get the z screw / 400+ mm 2040 from zyltech custom cut and shipped.. The original kp3 is a monster. howerver i do like the direct drive units, the old bowden kp3 is a speed demon.

@Justkyrios 2 жыл бұрын

Time to put a MiniAS on it!

@MADEIN3DPRINTING 2 жыл бұрын

❤️

@tlmooth 2 жыл бұрын

I beat mine pretty hard I have 2 of them and with daily all day use took me 3 to 3 1/2 years to burn out the hotend bed mats I replaced with a flex plate cooked a couple of those mats they send with it but was printing abs and petg with it love it with flexibles

@malloot9224 Жыл бұрын

Magnet on my 2020 kp3s is very strong actually, just results may vary and knowing kingroon just sending a mail would get you a replacement.

@KwongKan 2 жыл бұрын

these little guys are amazing place I work has 3 of them, they earned themself back in a few days, literally, by profit

@efficincy 2 жыл бұрын

Hej dude, for your issue with the damage of the cardboard spool I shared a fix on printables “cardboard spool protector”. Please have a look.

@Mobile_Dom 2 жыл бұрын

mini stealthburner and a revo voron on this would kinda be killer, the titan+V6 looks kinda huge

@CanuckCreator 2 жыл бұрын

It is large yes but works quite well, the default accels in the FW is only 1k, and the stoke slicer profile isnt aggressive with speeds and feeds. But once your start tweaking and adjusting, this machine probably could be quite fast and a lighter toolhead would help for sure.

@JustinBuildsThings 2 жыл бұрын

I've seen people run Eva toolheads on these

@henrikgustav2294 Жыл бұрын

Seemingly all reviews on 3d printers mention about weak points, flaws, mandatory modifications. Is there really a good, beginner friendly, faultless 3d printer?

@CanuckCreator Жыл бұрын

at entry level pricepoints there will always be downsides, even higher end machines are not perfect If there was one, everyone would recommend it

@rez1222 Жыл бұрын

4:10 could you tell me which dimension? so Diameter and stuff ?

@Orion-redx7 Жыл бұрын

Did you ever figure out?

@SpaceMarshalGyorni Жыл бұрын

Any chance for a video on the updated "Pro S1" version of this? It has linear rails on all axes (dual on Y), as well as belt-tensioners and an the power supply integrated into the base, so it seems to tick most of the boxes regarding almost everything you criticized. For ~250 USD it still competes in the cheapest price class. Personally I'm very excited for this machine. I've followed 3D-printing for almost 10 years now, but was never in a position to afford such a comparatively costly hobby. Last year a lot of things changed, and this machine is where I will finally take the leap. I'm waiting for the shipment notification as I'm writing this!

@urgamecshk Жыл бұрын

Keep us posted

@ThePhilbox 2 жыл бұрын

Would love to see a vid where you put klipper on it! see what it can do at high speed.

@CanuckCreator 2 жыл бұрын

...sooon

@ThePhilbox 2 жыл бұрын

@@CanuckCreator ohh, ohh...with extruder mods!!! :)

@rmfberry261 2 жыл бұрын

weird belt decisions but most of the machine seems pretty nice

@KarlM777 2 жыл бұрын

Try turning the magnet 90 degrees on the bed

@anthonyrich1592 2 жыл бұрын

I wonder how much gantry droop there'd be if the Z-axis used a linear rail instead of plastic v-wheels. Still, less than 0.1mm isn't anything to complain about.

@jesseburson 2 жыл бұрын

can you use a .3 nozzle with it?

@urgamecshk Жыл бұрын

Duh

@powersv2 Жыл бұрын

I so badly want to convert one of these into a vminion.

@TechExploresNYC 2 жыл бұрын

After a couple months the uneven bed starts to give me a hard time, so I must take back a point due to that...

@reprinted3D 2 жыл бұрын

CouCouldn't you design and print a spool holder that would mount on top of the z basis 2040 extrusion? It seems something Luke that would provide a direct path for filament at least...

@Phattie763 2 жыл бұрын

the price is the same as ender3 pro in Australia

@DomVito87 10 ай бұрын

paid 100 shipped for mine on amazon.... Now I have 9 printers. I have problems.

@2iinfinite 2 жыл бұрын

Klipperize it!

@makerdojo4211 2 жыл бұрын

3:20 fan is upside down

@jeroen9424 2 жыл бұрын

Why would the drop of the X axis matter? When leveling, your X axis will be parallel to the bed...

@jjsemperfi 2 жыл бұрын

He explained that in terms of tramming the bed to the X axis.

@pauhull 2 жыл бұрын

10:43 yellow amogus

@melcrose Жыл бұрын

It can be a very good price, it can be a bargain price, it cannot be a very bargain price.

@cbuckle5994 2 жыл бұрын

Seen it as cheap as $99 manufacturer refurbished on eBay, also not uncommon to find it new on ebay for ~$160... In the US...

@vinlingur 2 жыл бұрын

Make sure to read the listing carefully there are multiple versions of the KP3 some with a lot worse hardware. When I was looking at this printer the cheapest one comes with A4988drivers.

@JoeMalovich 2 жыл бұрын

I recently bought 2, both work, both need some attention still but I've gotten successful prints off them. One has a really out of square y axis, the other a z axis that can't be tightened up enough with the eccentric nut. One came with no accessories, just a bare machine.

@puda74 2 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure i would choose an ender 3 pro for 99 bucks at microcenter and spend the 80 bucks you save on upgrades over this. Just saying..

@riccaregio 2 жыл бұрын

Your choice of course, but I prefer the reliability and the precision of the rails vs V wheels even with 70mm cube less.

@Felipeh999 2 жыл бұрын

Not everyone has access to Microcenter, unfortunately. I'd love to get an Ender for 99 bucks.

@puda74 2 жыл бұрын

@@riccaregio You could buy rails with the 80 bucks you save and gain 70mm cubed.🙂

@puda74 2 жыл бұрын

@@Felipeh999 Very true.

@TommiHonkonen 2 жыл бұрын

Too bad they make these cheap things but seem to lose interest in the making and then they finish it poorly. Good thing they have extra driver slot for dual z upgrade cant live without it. One thing I've learned from work is multiple turds does not equal to one proper.

@paulmilne3038 2 жыл бұрын

I don’t think it’s particularly good value for not much more money I can get an Ender 3 which to my mind is a much better printer. It’s just too cheaply made.

@melcrose Жыл бұрын

Zee dude. IT'S ZEE. You're not English.

@CanuckCreator Жыл бұрын

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Nations en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/zed