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@@keithode1737 The older models without the turbocharger really sounded good.

@@brianburns7211 do you know any video of those?

Josh 020 There are many. My favorite is the video GP9 kicking cars.

Rip off the silencer and it sounds 9 thousand times better!

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XD

Oh yes, I know that sound alright. The VESS on my e-Niro sounds more butch than that!

two stroke engines

Indian EMD WDG4 sounds similar

Lol it really dose haha

60 cars wouldn't fit between our passenger trains...

Yeah we have alot more passenger trains than you but you have alot more freight. These emds don't live up to their potential.

OldSchool1500 you mean 200 cars

Dual traction is mostly for east or mid America, where is mostly flat. In mountain area, they some time can have 8 or more engines serve one train. Usually they have engines at front, mid and rear. Engines at mid and rear, some are radio controlled by engineer (or driver, operator depend on how they are called in your region) in the lead engine, they are called DPU(Distributed Power Unit), they usually go along with the train all the way. Some are Manned Helper, which has its own engineer on board. They usually only serve the train in specific area. After which, they will decouple from the train, then wait in "helper pool" for next train that needs assistance.

it's not power that's needed, it's traction. 😊

@@steveluckhurst2350It’s a combination of power and traction and the 66’s weight is 150 tons, so there you have it !

The 59's have got more oomph that the 66's I belive?

They are fine, work on them evey day

Where I live I can hear the old ones a mile off something todo with the main bearings, still nothing like a 60 on tanks though!

Not at all, it sounds like they're revving higher than they are because it's a 2 stroke. Brits aren't yet familiar with the legendary performance of EMD, but give it time! The original 567 series, when it was first released, was capable of 1 million miles before piston ring failure, back in the 40s! They put those engines in the D-day landing craft. The 710 engine is an evolution on the 567, and is basically bulletproof. There is still a 567 fitted 1951 built EMD GP7 locomotive in the states working in revenue freight service for it's original purchaser railroad. That's a 68 year life in revenue freight, and it's still going strong. There's no reason why the class 66 couldn't have a 100 year working life span with just routine maintenance. We're more than 20 years in on the 66 now and they still make easily 98% availability. Hands down the best freight loco Britain has ever seen.

@@billythomas1135 what parts are knackered? Prime mover? Traction motors? Generator?

@@billythomas1135 so are you going to say which and why or?

3,000 bhp.. pure torque

Thank you and hello!

Thanks mate, I've subbed back and look forward to watching your videos, looks a great channel 😉

If I remember rightly there's 1-2% slip - the wheels are turned very slightly faster than the ground speed - otherwise it would never accelerate! Anyone with expert knowledge please correct me if I'M wrong...

@@AAAyyyGGG you are right. It´s just physics. The electronic controls of modern locomotives try to exactly match those 1-2% wheelslip, to get maximum possible tractive effort.

lol

Freightliner HHA and they are carrying coal 😉

They are hopper wagons. Top loaded with bottom discharge. Usually supply coal to power stations. The same style of wagon, although usually shorter in design due to the greater density of the material is used for aggregates traffic like sand or stone.

@@neilcrawford8303 Thanks Neil from the US. Very informative!

in the UK freight trains most of the time only have a single Locomotive pulling a 2,000+ tonne loads and I believe on British main line freight trains are only allowed to have around 20 to 25 cars so it can fit in between the passenger train Schedules because British Passenger Trains are King on British railways and Freight Trains have to wait for the passenger trains at certain points and at certain times.

FL in their infinite wisdom decided to remove the main res pipe from the distributors on HAA/HXA wagons which meant fron zero air to brake release took over 15 minutes, regards ex FLHH driver.

Debopriyo Das built by the same manufacturer. So may be the same engine.

Similar engines - The IR WDP4 is EMD GT46PAC (or WDG4 - EMD GT46MAC - freight version) whereas the the BR Class 66 is EMD Class 66 JT42CWR. The IR version sports with a 4000 Hp while the BR version sports with a 3300 Hp engine Side note:- the last 'D' of WDP4D stands for Dual Cab version of the series of engines

It also sounds like the American EMD SD70M.

Same engine

nlo114 They were probably 59s which are more powerful

As I said earlier nlo114 the train at the rear is on a down grade so it did struggle but managed to move off eventually. I've seen a few 66s struggle to get momentum at that starting point.😀

No don't think I'd ever seen a 66/6 on the working

@@RailfreightWales thanks. The driver did well, starting such a big train uphill. Well captured!

That's the compressor

You'd be more accurate with another zero on the end of that.

Formidable38 Yep. Sorry. Meant 2000 tonnes.

I reckon 2,400 or 2,600 tonnes in that

Trainspotter400 Depends on the number of wagons. Each one is 100 tonne when full.

TGK300 Xx oh ok. I got told 120 by some one.

Gricers live in a fantasy land where a Deltic or 37 would have shifted that lot without breaking into a sweat.

You're right on. That's the typical way to start a train, you can't use full throttle at very low speeds or you just spin out and the unit drops its load, which seems to have happened here at 0:57 as the unit briefly rolled back into the train. Keeping some independent brake applied really helps to control the slip, and if I am stopping on a grade I will turn the sanders on for the last few hundred feet, to get the wheels coated in grit for better traction when starting again.

@@bobsmith2637 Yup, I ain’t no train driver (yet) but that’s more or less what I do in the train simulators, although I usually start at notch/run 1 to take the slack out of the train and to get the last car on the consist moving, then I slowly ramp up the throttle until the loco’s wheels slip and/or don’t speed up too fast (and cause freight damage/passengers getting hurt) or I get up to the speed limit. (And/or try not to break a knuckle) (Yes, I know train simulators are nothing like the real thing in terms of feel, the only way they can convey feel is mainly visual (and via audio as well, but I feel that aspect isn’t really fleshed out/detailed as much as it could be), with the cab “camera” swaying back and forth or left to right depending on the trains movements)

@@thegeforce6625 I spent a lot of time on Trainz 2006 before I went to work for Canadian National. It was much more realistic than the simulators we use to train new engineers, and I imagine the games have only gotten better since. We have hundreds of EMD locomotives with V16 710 engines, basically a bigger 3800 to 4300 HP version of the Class 66. They are rated to haul about 8000 tons each on our gently graded mainline, and starting a tonnage train on a grade is still a real art form, especially in the rain or snow. Our loaded unit trains can be over 200 cars and 12,000 feet, usually with two locomotives on the head end and 1 or 2 more in the middle. We consider stopping with the train stretched out to be a better practice to try and avoid a hard run out of slack when starting the train, though I have had to bunch up the train to get it started a few times in poor conditions. If it is stretched I will let the train brake start releasing, throttle up to notch 4 or 5 and slowly ease off the engine brake to start the train smoothly.

@@bobsmith2637 Train Sim World 2 feels realistic interms of the way the Trains drive in the game, in the Class 66 in TSW2 with 20 empty coal cars it picks up speed Relatively quickly when it only wieghs around 800 tonnes but when the coal cars are fully loaded you can really feel the extra 1,100 tonnes you have to nearly be at full power just to get it moving, that's how accurate the game is interms of simulation.

The sidings are on a fairly steep incline so hence the battle to get the train moving

@@RailfreightWales Thanks for replying.

No worries mate

Mervyn Sands I’ve moved some real tonnage with a 1970s EMD 4 axle 2000 hp. We had a class of them at work. There were two of the ten which could really pull just about anything.

It wasn’t even in notch 8, probably just getting a bit of wheel slip.

american freight: we need 4 big locos uk freight: haha sosig go brrrrr

james bolem most of DB have class 59 and they have EMD 645 engines but class 66s have the EMD 710 I don't know if the 645 is Better or not

Class 59 is a differant machine altogether in haulage terms. It has slightly more power but the biggest differance is the traction motors, they are alot more powerfull than 66's motors and so has a higher tractive effort. 59 would have walked away with that load using its 'super series wheel creep control system'.

They all do! Driven them since new.

@@formidable38 The Class 66 design was based on that of the Class 59. (When EWS (DB Schenker) learnt how good the Foster Yeoman-owned 59's were, they ordered 250 similar machines (now known as Class 66) based on the 59). Do you think that the 59's are more powerful than the 66's? Surely not. The 66's are used for hauling big crate trains and other heavy loads as such - whereas the 59's were only built to haul rocks from quarries, and they are used only for the same thing to this day.

@@thomaspalmer1019You're talking to an ex-freight driver! Class 59 has far greater haulage capacity than a 66. Its a well-known fact throughout the rail industry. The 59 is based on the SD40-2 which is one of the, if not the most successful diesel loco ever built. A 59 has shifted the UK and European record for the heaviest freight train at close to 12'000 tonnes.

Thrash is a term used to describe a diesel loco's engine being driven at high reves while the loco speed itself is not matching the engine output, (other comments reference loco's being damaged doing this)

something that the kids get excited about!

Better than any british made garbage lol

@@wharris302 That's debatable, but they still sound absolutely awful. ning, ning, ning!

Oh dear 😂😂😂

@@RailfreightWales it's just a whine really! Thanks for taking the time to film and post though.

@@steveluckhurst2350 the wine is very much like my ex wife 😂

@@RailfreightWales is she like a washing machine?

This IS a 2-stroke.