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@HeraAgeofEmpires211 ай бұрын
IM BRAINDEAD AND FORGOT ROMANS HOLY. Romans: low B tier. Very solid composition that they can bring out, but sometimes they can be a bit slow, and lack the raiding potential needed for arabia.
@alltmisc11 ай бұрын
Hera forget cycle: Talks himself down because he forgot it last time > Corrects himself and gives a psychology lecture to his viewers > Gets stressed out cause he spent too much time on it > Starts hurrying describing civs > Gets to last civ while still being stressed out that the video is going to be too long so he ends video fast forgetting about Romans > Posts video, double checks, calls himself brain dead > Now sub consciously believes he is brain dead > Cycle repeats from beginning
@minikawildflower11 ай бұрын
Holy Roman Empire
@HeraAgeofEmpires211 ай бұрын
@@alltmiscamazing comment 😂
@sekharpriyansu11 ай бұрын
Where are Romans?😂
@moon2schyzo11 ай бұрын
@@dejuren1367Are you asking what "cheese" means in this context? "Cheese" in gaming context means you do something unusual, creative, unexpected, nonstandard and wacky thats very different from what happens in most situations. Usualy requires some outside the box thinking. A cheese strategy could be vill rushing your opponent in feudal and stone walling them in and then trying to keep them inside the box so they run out of space and resources. Persian Dark Age TC drop or goth hunt lame are another examples of cheesing.
@Lampredi411 ай бұрын
Hera has that streamer grind where he can launch into the most entertaining digressions from nowhere
@SpikedKirby11 ай бұрын
Petition for a tierlist of unique units based on their drip!
@danielmunsaka205111 ай бұрын
Teutonic knight wins that, can't beat capey bois trip
@lonewolforigin11 ай бұрын
@@danielmunsaka2051followed by Longbowman
@highhorseo787511 ай бұрын
Jag Warrior has to be top 3
@Blooticus11 ай бұрын
Pointless. Nothing can compete with the drip of the Coustillier
@Blooticus11 ай бұрын
@highhorseo7875 a naked dude with a club.... jag is easily bottom three
@akshay1232811 ай бұрын
Kudos to Hera for providing such cool content frequently.
@noahsimmons697111 ай бұрын
Thank you for immediately pouncing on the negative self-talk. It really does make a difference, and it was extremely gratifying to see you realize and correct yourself!!
@ariisee11 ай бұрын
See, Goths are S tier. Hera said that. FINALLY. I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FOR AGES...
@t.a.220211 ай бұрын
Goths are Goats 😁
@highhorseo787511 ай бұрын
Full circle, babyyyy!
@leventebardossy596211 ай бұрын
Was it ever a question? I'm totally out of practice with civs that don't have a good answer for a Goth swarm, and I don't even play 1v1, only team.
@Asterix95811 ай бұрын
@@leventebardossy5962 Goths infantry spam isn't OP really. Gbeto, Woad Raider, Berserker, Kamayuk and Cataphract counter all of them. Goths' Champion's cost efficiency doesn't work, expensive but stronger infantry units kills Goths' Champion with ease. That's why I think Goths' Champion needs like +2 bonus attack vs other infantry.
@212mochaman11 ай бұрын
@@Asterix958goths infantry spam isn't about what counters it in an engagement. It's about amassing it multiple times in half a minute. No one else can come up with an army that quick with such little amount of barracks
@ivanbertuleit305711 ай бұрын
Truly nice job with the Romans Hera ^^
@mubashirulmoula179811 ай бұрын
33:25 - Winged Hussar has 1 more MA over generic Hussar. So +1MA and +5HP in total.
@Asterix95811 ай бұрын
Also +4 vs Gunpowder vs very strong, enables to counter Hand Cannoneer and kill BBC a lot faster which are one of the strongest late game unit in the game. Lithuanians have also strong Skirmisher, FU Hand Cannoneer and BBC. It is on top of A tier at worst.
@saleem299111 ай бұрын
Hera underrated Lithuanians and their Winged Hussar. It can be a pain to deal with when the Lithuanian player starts spamming it.
@sourathghosh517011 ай бұрын
@@Asterix958 Agreed..they should even do decent against conquistadors and organ guns , units that are usually hard to deal with.
@mpbeine11 ай бұрын
Also, they have the same attack as Hussar + Blast Furnace, but for cheaper than researching both Hussar and Blast Furnace. Not sure if that matters for Lithuanians placement in the tierlist given the crappy Halbs, but their Hussars are definitely better than generic.
@darkwind7511 ай бұрын
Thanks Hera! Love your vids, super informational and it really helps our group with getting better and trying new civs/comps.
@EvilCherry311 ай бұрын
Your love for Arambai is so crazy. ^^ Arambai = Steppe Lancer. After 2 tiles they never hit the target.
@HeraAgeofEmpires211 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@randmacfarlane145611 ай бұрын
To be fair this so the reason they are good the inaccuracy makes them not over kill and hit multiple targets instead when in mass.
@evanjacob846311 ай бұрын
I enjoy Hera's tierlists.
@TheLeosMind11 ай бұрын
I'm seeing Viper and Hera on a RedBull Tournament finale and Viper picking Dravidians for the decisive matchup just for Hera to get mad ad it 11
@Mattroid9911 ай бұрын
I want to see the Lithuanians video, you kinda wanted to talk about it since the Arabia tier list after KoTD I really wish to hear your opinion because that civ could be so sick Honestly I either wish the TC bonus was reverted or that the Winged Hussars still get an attack bonus from relics (Maybe just +2. I kinda like that they should work for their extra attack due to missing BF). Tower Shields giving 1 melee armor could help their halbs a little too
@The_Room_2_Doggys_Revenge11 ай бұрын
Hera litterally talking about Burmese the way Viper talks about Dravidians
@awesome28311 ай бұрын
Stoked to watch another Tierlist Video!!! They are one of my favorite types of videos.
@maelmoor11 ай бұрын
Great video, I simply love tierlists! Only thing to point out is that it maybe felt a bit rushed towards the end. Paper Money for Vietnamese can be quite good, as it's like having a couple of relics, though maybe more so on some other maps than Arabia.
@jeremiahtremble649510 ай бұрын
Really cool video. You’re getting a lot easier to listen to. Your videos used to be a little clunkier but you’re getting smoother/more entertaining. Also, enjoying the videos of you taking on new players
@stevenreed439511 ай бұрын
The dream would be a tierlist with the best feudal, and another with the best castle age civs. I think analyzing civs like this might help players recognize which civs are very good overall and which would be wise to practice 🙏
@icarian55311 ай бұрын
I think Lith relic bonus should now benefit all melee units. Infantry and hussar as well. To offset the loss of blast furnace.
@jcbo890611 ай бұрын
No, Winged Hussars are already better than Ordinary Hussars, and Lith Winged Hussars with the relic bonus is overpowered as hell, Lithuanians used to have the relic bonus affecting Light Cavalry and that was among the first things to be removed for that reason, now imagine the relic bonus on a straight up better Hussar...
@herotalib955611 ай бұрын
Wh are better but not that better. Lith winged hussar late game loses to regular hussars with no bf. The halb are weak with no blast furnace. Thr only saving grace of lith are the uu and monks being op. Then again don't need all civs to be s tier so they are ok at B tier civ.
@icarian55311 ай бұрын
@@jcbo8906 That was when Lith had blast furnace. They had fully upgraded hussar and then the relic bonus on top. Now they need two relics to get "full" upgrades. It's hard to get more than 2-3 relics so they wouldn't be that strong. Polish winged hussar still have trample damage which is more insane.
@Asterix95811 ай бұрын
@@herotalib9556 Lithuanians Winged Hussar has same attack (they have 9+2 attack same as 7+4 of Generic Hussar) as generic Hussar and Winged Hussar has +5 hp, +1 melee armor and 4+ bonus attack against gunpowder units over generic Hussar. Therefore, Lithuanians Winged Hussar easily counter Generic Hussar and also better unit in every way. Lithuanians late game is one of the strongest, there is no need to buff even more. Their team game Paladin needs buff only. Relics should +1.5 attack to Paladin in Imperial Age and max +4 attack should be kept, preventing overbuff.
@valger365211 ай бұрын
Lith all melee units (exept champs) is very strong, no reason to buff units , which is already much above average.
@daarom347211 ай бұрын
Bulgarians underrated. They have insanely cheap transitions into Imperial. Half cost siege and blacksmith. Usually you have Stirrups already so for cav you need 1 upgrade (hussar or cavalier) and half food cost blacksmith. For infantry you need just the half cost blacksmith upgrade. Going cav spam combined with heavy infantry + siege is very strong and barely requires upgrade cost.
@Redragonclaws11 ай бұрын
Take a drink every time he says the word 'Hussar'.
@isaacsuarezquintana556911 ай бұрын
Im a noob, but I think Portuguese Freitoria makes them S tier!
@kostakollaras909911 ай бұрын
May I ask what your top 3 favourite civs are?
@HeraAgeofEmpires211 ай бұрын
Khmer franks mongols
@nicklindberg9011 ай бұрын
"I should edit these but I'm not gonna" - I feel that on a spiritual level
@phantomaxl120711 ай бұрын
Hera doesn't think too highly of Elephant Archers, or strong Castles, according to this list.
@AndyGaro11 ай бұрын
Now make a late game with trade tier list :3
@ThatGuanfranco11 ай бұрын
You should rewatch the old tier lists and see how much things have changed 11. I remember when Portuguese were always at the bottom of the lists. Now look at them.
@nilayvyas66811 ай бұрын
There you go. More reaction videos with Viper.
@rp1812511 ай бұрын
one thing with koreans is that you can go straight into bombard towers without having to pay and wait for the tech which is HUGE lategame
@Kawabongahlive11 ай бұрын
13:00 the byzantine cataphract + skirm + BBC is a rather difficult combo to stop. Very underrated, though admittedly a slow push strat. You can mix in or replace the catas with camels if the enemy is on high cav numbers.
@baizen111 ай бұрын
Bengalis have the extra pop space going for them in late game at least! Japanese also get fully upgraded heavy CA, so you can also go those. Korean wood discount is so massive that they cost the same resources as byzantine trash, but focused heavier on the food. this allows you to focus heavier on the food which is easier to keep safe in late game against raids, and gives you an upper hand in wood games Tatars also have 7 pierce freaking steppe lancers, dont forget about those beasts! Turk heavy CA trade exactly evenly with Tatar heavy CA, but they are stronger against skirms and melee units than Tatar ones
@epicseadragon169211 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video! About Burmese you even forgot to mention that you are more likely to geab relics :)
@lucassousa.52111 ай бұрын
Dravidians would be tier S for the strongest late game in the game in terms of military, despite the lack of good cavalry, they have access to everything from archers, infantry and siege weapons. The weak point of this civ is its dependence on gold, it is more appropriate to play as a team even where it is commercial.
@skipper47211 ай бұрын
Surprised Hera placed Dravidians lower than Aztecs lategame. Their halberdiers are way better, skirms are around the same and Dravidians actually have very strong glass cannon light cavalry that can do some raiding. They also have above average siege, and bombard cannons. Elephant archers with medical corps hit as hard as mangudai and can actually heal slowly.
@justben.111 ай бұрын
love your tier lists ❤️🔝
@dre.plotkin849111 ай бұрын
Hera: Cumans "don't really have any powerful unit that just like never dies, that's really strong". Well, they have the fastest paladin!
@hikatoyshi11 ай бұрын
And Celts have the best sheep-stealing paladins !
@adamantpulse811811 ай бұрын
What size key board is optimal for aoe2 gaming?
@Randomvideos-tz9su11 ай бұрын
Hera be like. This civ has hussar. So this civ is good.
@wefinishthisnow388310 ай бұрын
Spanish have FU Cav Archers + Hussar, plus FU trash, cannons + 20% attack speed, super villagers + super monks. How are they only middle B Tier?
@sohambhattacharya804811 ай бұрын
Great video. Could you make similar videos on early game and mid game?
@aspirenux859911 ай бұрын
❤ tierlist
@unflushablepoo824311 ай бұрын
Fully upgraded lith winged hussar are actually cheaper than generic because you save on missing blast furnace. Winged hussar also have an extra melee armor.
@damianvergaradominguez848411 ай бұрын
underrated late game bonus of hindustanis: Hussar also destroy buildings
@kerwynpk6 ай бұрын
SOTL is a legend I need a mod that plays his intro when you pick Japanese
@j.j280311 ай бұрын
lit, thanks for the content
@Justjustinp11 ай бұрын
Hera’s cat is SSS+ tier, too powerful for ranked. That’s why he’s not allowed up there.
@jupiteroptimus351911 ай бұрын
Thanks you for this video. I had a really natural vibe witch was wholsome. Aoe advice, some live advice an cat just beeing an annoying cat. My cat plays with my mouse cable (no pun inteded :D) when I am tryharding the ladder.
@cannnds11 ай бұрын
i think spanish might be higher A imo, considering you can tech switch to any unit line that you want - conqs and paladins are amazing but you can have the trash backup whenever you can. the siege are the only weakness for them and the team bonus is useless in 1v1, that’s the difference of them and mongols (other top 2 team bonuses)
@danielmunsaka205111 ай бұрын
For Lituanians I think a good change would be to give them blast furnace but lower the attack they get on relics by 1. Think the attack caps out at 4 or 5 relics so reduce it to 4 and I think their late game would be solid. Agree that they definitely are heavily reliant on relics
@timothymartensen904011 ай бұрын
I agree with this line of logic, but right now, it caps at +4 for relics. So imo, if they were to get blast furnace back, I would reduce it to +2, which I think would be an overall buff. I also think they could keep the +4 with no blast furnace, but make it apply to either all cav, or all melee units.
@aspirenux859911 ай бұрын
Now, team games best arabia civs needed, Hera, please❤
@thelostangel764911 ай бұрын
Dravidians had me chuckle, ngl.
@nocksi152211 ай бұрын
Teutons are S-Tier 😢😢😭 Always thought that the strong paladin civs would be up there. Long way to go I guess.
@nilayvyas66811 ай бұрын
Actually I haven't finished the video yet but I wanted you to read this, here is an idea: How about taking a person's game they have already played and do a video on coaching? You could, of course, charge for this service, but then post it as content. I am sure a lot of the "coaching" will be, practice the build so you don't have so much idle time. But even with idle time, people make all kinds of other mistakes. You could consider almost any ELO but may want to filter on, let's say, 100 games on the ranked ladder, or something like that. If the idea doesn't work for you, no biggie, but I love all of your content and want to help out. I think coaching for a SPECIFIC player in a specific game might be be decent content, maybe once a week.
@juanfisi11 ай бұрын
Byzantines catas kill everything Gurjaras can do tho, which is hilarius that such a nich unit has a purpose against one of the other insnae late game civs.
@majike035511 ай бұрын
You can use the mouse's scroll wheel to go through the tech tree faster
@nelsonpainkiller11 ай бұрын
ROMANS! LOL! bahah I just read your pinned comment so np. Keep up the great content!
@princecoconut935711 ай бұрын
This was a very difficult tier list to predict for me. A lot of times I was way off
@turbanheadless9 ай бұрын
I dont even play aoe but i love tierlists 😅
@Janisurai9 ай бұрын
more team based tier lists please!
@Level7Monkey11 ай бұрын
Tier lists and top 5 videos are S tier
@ThatGuanfranco11 ай бұрын
NEW TIER LIST LETS GOOOOOOOOOO
@hitenshah500710 ай бұрын
Can you share shortcuts video and how do you use them for faster/better gameplay
@ryanforgo350011 ай бұрын
For sicilians i think they are one of the most misunderstood trash civs in the game. the way you should think about it is that they have good helbs that are not countered by skirms , skirms lacking final armor BUT in skirm vs skirm fight their civ bonus will reduce almost same damage as final armor anyway, So are not countered hy skirms and light cavs that can take a punch from helbs more than a generic hussar can. If you sum up all that their trash might even be superior to byzantine Also, the fact that those defensive / offensive donjons making the helbs is one big bonus. There is also one weird thing about sicilians farms, sicilians can build and sustain A whole farming economy literally with 6 lumber jacks 😂 it's so weird i had a match once before where i had like 120 farms and like 6 on wood lol
@MG-oj7rr11 ай бұрын
As a lithuanian i 100% agree :) Lithuanians so enoying and disapointing, cuz on paper they should be great late game, but thy fail bth in my gams and like 8/10 they lose in tournaments and those couple wins they get is usually they win early cuz of some obv mistakes or misfortunes of the opponents.
@tukineta11 ай бұрын
the abstract subconscious self realization moment was actually an s tier advice, specially in late game hahaha. Those facts are so true, don't keep them for urself. Those who know understand, love from argentina as always 💘
@SirMayonnaiseAoe11 ай бұрын
Best early game civ would be cool And, why not, best castle age civ haha
@danielmunsaka205111 ай бұрын
just crossed the 1K elo mark🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 so happy! not a noob anymore
@BuGGyBoBerl11 ай бұрын
regarding mongols late game. i mean everyone knows how great they can be but i feel there are some weird matchups if gold isnt scarce. huskarl spam can be annoying, berbers camel archers also, or mamelukes for example can really be devestating
@teddyhaines661311 ай бұрын
Drill onagers take care of those.
@BuGGyBoBerl11 ай бұрын
@@teddyhaines6613 i can see that maybe for camer archers, but mamelukes and huskarls? even a pure camel spam seems odd
@teddyhaines661311 ай бұрын
@@BuGGyBoBerl Onagers have always been one of the better mameluke counters, to the extent they can be countered. Onagers with Drill all the more so. And they kill huskarls same as any other infantry.
@PleiadianDreams11 ай бұрын
*Long time, no siege.*
@s3sebastian11 ай бұрын
How about a super late game (trash war) tier list? Where Turks are not in S but D.
@sasoura921311 ай бұрын
Mongols always s in all tierlists
@ihababbas986311 ай бұрын
As a low Elo myself 850-950 I almost disagree with the most of the tier 😅. I see things differently from my low Elo point of view. As an example my best S tier civs are Malay, Ethiopians, Pols and Slavs. I believe this is because the way I win my games when I follow the build orders that gives me those wins in the late game.
@spectre906511 ай бұрын
Hussars are the best trash unit, and lacking Byzantines lacking 2 upgrades on it puts them down a notch. Far from the worst Hussars, but below average definitely. Byzantines also lack Siege Onagers and Siege Engineers.
@imsmeagol91111 ай бұрын
Lithuanian winged hussar also has +1 armor compared to regular hussar
@flaw13ss11 ай бұрын
how about updating the so you want to play series?
@zhelwankarkuky917311 ай бұрын
8:50 when you watch too much Dr.Jordan B Peterson
@mertyilm_z11 ай бұрын
Tierlists are back!
@arnefriedrich581811 ай бұрын
TBH, I don't get why Bohemians are significantly worse in Late Game Arabia than Britons. You say that Bohemians "die to constant hussar raids", but isn't this also the same problem for Britons? And in terms of your own raiding potential, Bohemians and Britons have the exact same stable options. Yeah, Longbows + Warwolf Trebs + Halbs are a great deathball, but so are Houfnice + Skirms + Halbs with more bonus dmg (you can also mix in hand cannons/arbalest). Regardless of that, once again great content! :-)
@teddyhaines661311 ай бұрын
Britons have the better stable because they get plate barding armor.
@akramwerda32211 ай бұрын
waiting for viper's video counting the number of times Hera says anyways to finally say anyways hera doesn't know what he's saying, dravidians are the best..
@JohnSmith-tk7nt11 ай бұрын
How about a top 4v4 flank civ list to defend while your teammate takes 50 minutes from the pocket to mass FU paladin
@meninbike160211 ай бұрын
Berbers don't have halbs tho
@user-uh7cb3vy4v11 ай бұрын
shouldnt persians be higher because of trash xbow?
@agustingermanier834711 ай бұрын
you forgot romans 💀
@DigitalDiscDreamer11 ай бұрын
Romans can be good, but they die hard to Siege Onager, Halbs, and Arbalest.
@srijitmajumder9911 ай бұрын
@@DigitalDiscDreamer so basically Ethiopians
@teddyhaines661311 ай бұрын
@@srijitmajumder99 You could get that same comp out of Koreans, Dravidians or Sicilians.
@darkwind7511 ай бұрын
Noticed for Portuguese you didn't mention the Feitoria in late game. Does the extra resource generation not play into the late game strat?
@HeraAgeofEmpires211 ай бұрын
Oh yeah it helps sometimes but its harder to use on arabia. OP for islands and arena though
@darkwind7511 ай бұрын
@@HeraAgeofEmpires2 Makes sense, thanks!
@Felix_EN11 ай бұрын
I only disagree with cumans, they should be A tier
@nwpointzero11 ай бұрын
I don't get this tier list. Didn't you already do a trash unit tier list? Is this a list of imperial age strength or trash units?
@konradpyszniak97611 ай бұрын
First tier list i trully dont get. If its not post imp scenario then why so much focus on double non gold composition? We still have gold on a map. This stage of thr game usually is 1 gold and 1 non gold unit army
@konradpyszniak97611 ай бұрын
And if so then civs like burgundians should be way higher as they get paladin upgrade way earlier and cheaper so they can snowball with it
@benithisraelm11 ай бұрын
What if Dravidians had Wootz steel in Castle age? Will they become op?
@johanneskaelber11 ай бұрын
im confused about the gold situation here.
@noragrey701610 ай бұрын
Oh come on, you forgot romans again!!!!
@potNuts11 ай бұрын
Hv CA + hussar best comp, but huns are mid B-tier?
@pedrocarvalho748011 ай бұрын
Winged hussar has +1 armor compared to regular hussar as well
@pedrocarvalho748011 ай бұрын
And the bônus against gunpower
@azystur11 ай бұрын
Burgundians should be B at least but i respect
@LongLiveGojira9 ай бұрын
where are the romans?
@ObiwanNekody11 ай бұрын
Poor Celts.
@gabriepte10 ай бұрын
To me, the best late game civilizations are Goths, Poles, Mongols, Chinese and Mayans. Regards.
@mawril5 ай бұрын
Bohemia is S tier.
@justincronkright502511 ай бұрын
You've been playing M.O.B.A.s and we just end up copying the negative comments spammed by others/the toxics I suspect! Also I would think of Lith late game as being behind Aztecs. Atlatl-Skirms sniping your own halbs + skirm even with the pierce armour from further away and your Aztec eagle warriors tanking skirm shots & both units doing bonus damage to cavalry (yes one is far greater than the other) and so on. But even Burmese I could see doing well - apart from the Skirmishers being very very lacking in armour! My Magyars Huszars need to be able to leap... over pike lines, let them speed to those Siege units! Roccola thinks my farms/farm setups are beautiful... but I still use them to mass these Huszars, not the Polish ones. Could make an S+ such that you can say every one in S+ is technically equal. P.S. these large paragraphs - maybe we stay for the 50 minutes just to watch you Forget the Romans. You'll need to bring on a Romans Expert to make it up to that part of the community maybe.
@HeraAgeofEmpires211 ай бұрын
Wait what about mobas? I dont get it
@justincronkright502511 ай бұрын
@@HeraAgeofEmpires2 MOBAs having more toxic players & that you've been playing it recently. They end up telling you that you're rubbish the whole time. Then you start believing it yourself. It's in reference to your psychology/self-reflection portion of the video.
@HeraAgeofEmpires211 ай бұрын
@@justincronkright5025ahh yes great point thanks for clarifying!
@yeeterboi11 ай бұрын
D for Dravidians
@shadowsun405511 ай бұрын
Now do Best Early Game Civ!! thanks!!
@souloftheworld981011 ай бұрын
This tierlist seems pretty wack considering the criteria you've set for it. For example, the meso civs don't have too many options in the trash unit department, especially aztecs and mayans. Turks are also pretty dead once the gold runs low. I've heard you say multiple times that the meso civs and civs like franks are on a time limit for the gold. If they don't win during that interval, it's gg. On the opposite end, take dravidians. I know you hate them, but all 3 of their trash units have something. Halbs and skirms are extra strong, while light cav can ignore armour. If you were talking about early imperial, I'd have no qualms. But you said that this list is under conditions where gold is low.
@HeraAgeofEmpires211 ай бұрын
what azts and mayans have very decent trash units! Turks also have some of the best hussar. Most of the time in late game u have a gold army that shud rarely die, and then u spam food/wood units to trade and snipe siege or raid
@souloftheworld981011 ай бұрын
@@HeraAgeofEmpires2 wouldn't you say that you need at least 2 out 3 trash to be good for a civ to be good in late game? Aztecs have great skirms, but they don't get halbs and they also lack hussars. Turks have a great push with their BBCs and gunpowder, but how do you stop counter raids? That would require spreading your army thin, right? Even with that, are they worthy of S-tier? Even if you, the #1 player here can do it, will a majority of players share that experience? Idk man, I might be more inclined to agree with you under slightly different criteria. In my opinion, this tier list will not work for most people (outside top-Elo players), in late imp situations.