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Same situation here with 700hours lul

I knew how naval combat woks in hoi4 however dispait having almost 2000h I still did't know what and how to design good ships. This is the video I was lookong some months ago but didn't find

I have 3200 and when the Man the Guns was out i didn’t even care about navy lol

Same bro

I have 4700 hours and didnt even knew that they have ships in the game

Thats true, its all about prep and then a few high risk high reward battles in the late mid and late part of the game. A video on making navies for smaller nations is a great idea! Ill look into doing that

@@Hammurabae Thanks for the reply, I'm looking forward to seeing it! :D

There is a mod called better government which makes navy cheaper to produce

I also still fail to find the usefulness of it. Yes, you are sinking their convoys. Yes, you are disrupting their supply. Yes, you sunk a bunch of their navy. But all that could have been invested into army or air and it would have been even more benefficial. Then again, i suck at Navy, so that might just be me.

Been playing this game since 2017, never touched the navy lol

Glad you enjoyed it! I take a similar view point, these games are supposed to respresent a degree of realism and the era, cheesing mechanics which are really just lapses in our ability to represent reality always feels empty. Winning without them also feels way more enjoyable. Hope you enjoy navy from here on out!

Don't blame the players for playing the game the way it works. Navy doesn't work, blame the devs for it. We are only adapting to what the game has to offer. Say what you will about "realism", I'm not jeopardising my army and air force for fancy BB designs thay will be combat ready in 1944

I agree! He actually said that battleships might not be as OP, but can be fun, which is exactly why I personally use them. I am fully aware navy is not intuitive in HOI4, but damn gimme my battleships

You won't take less damage from naval bombers with high AA attack, you will simply kill more planes when they do or completely avoid the attack more often.

As it should be

Glad it helped you! Welcom to the naval addicts

Thanks dude 😄

Theyre very viable for singleplayer! I hope that folks will start to use these templates which are specialized and start to just merge them at some point themselves.

If you stack enough fire power on it and have the screens, its a ton of fun an viable. Can never compete with proper carrier fleets or heavy cruisers though

@@Hammurabae I know. But I was just fking around with the RN mediterranean fleet. Sure I manage to sink quite a lot of their ships but I was never able to slam dunk it. It’s frustrating as hell. It’s like you’re about to bust your nut but your urethra are closed up.

There is a law of diminishing returns applying to dockyards in naval construction, something I haven't seen on mil production. For example, one dockyard on a BB gives the baseline construction time period (several years). Adding another dockyard halves production time. Adding another takes 12 months off the time. A fourth dockyard takes about 8-9 months off and the last one only removes something like 3 months off the total time required. Don't quote me on these exact numbers, they are illustrative. You get the point. So if you time carefully when you lay down a ship for construction, you can get better use out of your dockyards if you only use 3 per ship instead of 5. Of course, if you are in a hurry, then 5 is fastest but if you have a limited number and want to build say 5 BB then you only really need 15 dockyards to get them in just a little more time than 25 dockyards deliver. The key to naval production is ensuring you have the industry tech up to date (dispersed or concentrated), as the dockyard output bonuses stack and take years off your production times. Ok I thought I would check the construction times for my example and the figures are even more surprising than my memory suggest. Laying down a G3 BC for Britain on the opening day of the game (1 Jan 1936) with a single dockyard, gives you a completion time of 27 July 1943. Adding a second dockyard gives revised completion for 14 Oct 1939 (a huge bonus). A third dockyard revises the date to 11 July 1938, a fourth gives 23 Nov 1937 (only 7 months) and the fifth dockyard gives completion date of 8 July 1937, only 3 months. Clearly the advantage lies in applying at least 2 and ideally 3 dockyards per ship to maximise efficient use of dockyards, hence 15 dockyards would give you 5 G3 BCs by mid 1938 WITHOUT the effect of the industry bonuses (of which, you should be able to research 3 before this ship launches). 3 Industry bonuses will give you 30% production output bonus, meaning that these G3s should launch in 1937, a lot less than the original expectation of mid 1943.

Have you tried to convert your ships to carrier on italy?

@@madtechnocrat9234 Do you mean converting heavy and light cruisers to carriers? No, I haven't. I really don't like to do that beccause it hurts the heavy and light attack stats. If you really want it you can check the layout of each ship and convert the worst ones into carriers I guess.

@@madtechnocrat9234 Another thing to note is the size of your industry. Given that you'll have around 100 factory by 1939, unless you're going all in on navy, and somehow micromanage everything, it just isn't worth the effort to convert cruisers/battleships into carriers. You'll be stretching your available resources REAL thin if you're going to make that many capital ships at the same time. I had anther run last night with battleships and I ran out of steel at Jan 1939 because of how many ships I was building at the same time. I had 5 on destroyer 2 (shit ones, 1 gun, 1 aa and 1 trop), 10 on pew pew light cruisers designed to kill screens asap, and the rest on battleships and refitting destroyer 1s to submarine killers. I was on -8 deficit for steel. At that point, I only had 25 mils on inf equipment, around 15 on tanks (light tanks and tank destroyers), and around 17 on planes. It was barely enough to push into Africa because I did not have time to build up logistics in Africa.

@@royalwolf7115 i dont think cheap so stuff ships are good anymore after the speed nerf. also i think converting few worst cruisers or battleships to carriers could be an option. Although i question point of carriers as italy because you have air ports everywhere. my idea is that those few ships are soo bad that they only slow fleet, soo converting should make them less useless.

@@madtechnocrat9234 There's a ship designer that gets you 10% increase in speed for screens and capital ships at the expense of range. The conversion can work but you have to know, it takes 40 planes to fill up cruiser converted carrier and 60 for battleship. You do that plus the 2 fleet carriers in production and you'll need at least 250 planes for the carriers. That's quite a lot given that Italy doesn't have the largest industry and even if you rush mils starting from 1937, you'll have problems with the army unless you are not doing tanks. it all comes down to how you manage your industry. Sure you can use interwar template for the planes but they'll be massacred in their first encounter with enemy ships, either shot down by AA or fighters.

Youre welcome!

I've read your post three times and I'm still not sure what you're trying to say.

​@@bravo2966in single-player, the AI sets it's convoy-raiding SSs to "medium risk". This causes them to not engage DDs and retreat as soon as any DD enters the battle. With enough ships assigned to convoy-escort missions, you will get 100% convoy escort efficiency, which means convoy escort task forces will instantly join the battle, and instantly chase away the SSs. The catch is that SSs cannot be attacked while hidden. When SSs attack first (like in every convoy raid battle) they will always start hidden. Finding SSs during a battle takes expensive equipment that you do not want to put on your numerous convoy-escorts, in addition to the depth-charges you would put on the DDs. Additionally, the SSs will always retreat, almost certainly before you can find them. Thus it is best to use the cheapest DDs on convoy-escort missions. They are cheap enough to produce in the numbers necessary, and render the convoy-raiding SSs useless. If you wish to kill SSs, you need to spot them first so you can be the attacker, thus preventing them from starting the battle "hidden" and allowing your weapons to attack them. This is usually done by specialized patrol task forces which are single ship CLs with all spotting gear. You can also use planes on the naval-patrol mission with the float plane module too. Then you can use specialized strike forces made up of ASW ships to attack them, or naval bombers.

Based

I've tried using ASW DDs several times as the USA to protect early war convoys from Japanese subs, but they get massacred by the Japanese fleet. In a few months it doesn't matter because my main fleet wipes out the IJN, but for that early period those ASW ships just suffer. What's the trick?

I am going to refrain from answering this here as it is a really long response and complicated topic. I have a naval tutorial on fleet composition, movement, and organization as the last one I plan to make which will be out semi soon. Will like it to you here when I do!

@@Hammurabae Alright, thank you

As fast as possible

Light attack as much as your can put on heavy cruisers. For capitals you want a mixture of both. Make sure they all have at least 1aa module, carriers should have lots

Beating the British navy as Germany is the most fulfilling moment in HOI4 change my mind. Its doable but very very hard. I mean properly too, no cheese, no extreme meta, just making reasonable use of game mechanics and playing smart.

@@Hammurabae I didn’t have man the guys so it honestly wasn’t that hard… tried it again with MTG and got smashed. Did return of the Kaiser so I’m wondering if it’s because I lost half my fleet in the civil war or if MTG nerfed the shit out of the German fleet

I believe the slowest ship in your fleet dictates how fast the entire fleet moves.

When doing missions and moving on the map, slowest ship sets the speed for the whole fleet, so don't put a slow 20kt ship in a patrol group with 10 fast ones. No need to be too rigid about it, but yeah. BBs are usually sitting on Strike Force, if the engagement is far from their base then slow speed is a major issue, if it's in the Mediterranean and your base is in Sicily it's no concern. Except if you lose the battle; then the fast ships will retreat first and your old BB might be destroyed by all the enemy torpedoes when they're alone the last few hours.

In the works rn

Those are later designs, are you trying to do that on the 36 hull or the early one?

Do you have the man the guns dlc?

@@Hammurabae I do not

Shield and a few torp destroyers if you really want some attack. Generally shield roaches and focus on cruisers or carriers for real damage. If you want to actually add attack to destroyers and have the time refit them later with torps using the officer corp options for refit speed.

Spotting Cruiser for Patrol. Strike Force made of heavy cruisers (CAs) and Roach Destroyers (DDs) as screens. Though I like to spend a bit more on my DDs. 71 Cloak did a video where there's a rock paper scissors effect between DPS DDs, Light Attack CLs with no armor, and Light attack CLs with armor. Basically armored CLs beat DDs, which beat unarmored CLs, which beat armored CLs. But CAs with max secondaries beat all that. Does that help?

@@Adrock89 haha :P thanks for clarifying about spotting cruiser and strike force! Well yes the other part doesnt make sense indeed, but I am simple casual gamer looking for something like "dont worry, you are doing it correct" even if I lose... if that makes any sense

Alan gave a great answer if you are looking for the mechanical approach. Generally destroyers and light cruisers both do the same thing, though light cruisers do way more dps. They both will screen the back line. You would make both if you want lots of light attack on a cruiser, though how squishy and easy to hit on the front line it is makes it kinda useless. DPS destroyers can fight enemy screens but they don't do a ton of damage, heavy cruisers can do light and heavy damage to hit both which is why they're the better one to take. A good land airforce with long range is the best way to deal with and supplant navy in hoi period.

AA on ships effects both. The ratio of AA compared to fleet size is important as the total number is multiplied by 0.25 and added to the damaged reduction on income damage to ships. Total fleet anti air is added separately so teh total is doubly useful whereas individual ship AA is added on top and is smaller in impact. "received air damage is calculated using following: 1 - ( (ship_anti_air + fleet_anti_air * SHIP_TO_FLEET_ANTI_AIR_RATIO )^ANTI_AIR_POW_ON_INCOMING_AIR_DAMAGE ) * ANTI_AIR_MULT_ON_INCOMING_AIR_DAMAGE" Adding extra on ships that need to be protected more like carriers and Battleships is key due to how important they are, and due to naval bombers and carrier planes in particular target them first so that extra is really important.

Heavy

@@Hammurabae Yay me too

Yes it is, generally though as soon as your get it put it on your ships though.

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qtaeZMKX0L6ZdHU.html This should give you some help with things like that!

Max Sonar modules

@@Hammurabae Thanks

Viable, but not nearly as fun

It would, but you would not be as competitive, most players just use one though

@@Hammurabae so what do you recommend doing? how many research slots should be used, when to do navy focuses?

Facts

Were you looking for marine div templates?

@@Hammurabae I was looking for navy templates, not ship designs. Do you know what is the optimal number of destroyers in escort template? (I use 12) Optimal number of submarines in raiding template? (I use 20) Striking task force can't have more than 4 aircraft carriers, but how many battleships and heavy cruisers is optimal for this template? It's hard to find any info on this.

@@alexsilent5603 You'd be better off searching for 'fleet composition' mate, nobody uses the word template for that.

@@bravo2966 The game itself uses the word "templates" for navy.

@@alexsilent5603 Suit yourself

The cost you take to speed is mechanically not worth it, but it wont single handedly lose you a battle. Its a personal preference unless you intend to play erally sweaty stuff.

@@Hammurabae I tried out your templates and they worked great! Thank You!

Based

True, it happens really late. But thats HOI, build up and a mega war

Yamato

😢Its viable

So fun looking at them destroy fleets and rack up kills.

It's mad to be as quick and simple as possible to give beginner or new players a good understanding of templates. You are right about screen values of course

3:1 ratio gives you the bonus. 4:1 allows you to maintain the bonus if you lose a heavy cruiser (redundancy). If you only build 3:1 and lose a cruiser, you lose the bonus

4 screens for 1 heavy ship. 1 heavy ship for 1 carrier

@@Hammurabae ahhhh Thx :) Keep up the good videos!

It is added to the total fleet pool which is very impactful, less important than on Battleships and carriers by miles though

Absolutely disgusting behavior, stop having fun

@@Hammurabae 😞 sorry

They do for me? Whats happening

oh oops they patched it... but they were broken last time i played kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gtZ8hsuT3trGd2Q.html

For cruisers yes, speed is king.