Sniping a shrieker nest/spore spewer from across the map with spear is peak gaming.

0:48 Man really dropped the hardest quick scope with the AMR any Automaton has ever seen and thought we wouldn't notice...

The AMR can damage factory striders too! Anywhere the Autocanon can damage them, the AMR can, too, as they both have the same armor pen value.

Charger behemoth has been around for a long time. It was just very rare before and only showed up in certain locations.

Where is the Break Action Shotgun? 😂

Laser cannon can solve any problem, but not quickly or easily. This makes it amazing if your teammates are bogged down elsewhere wasting time on a pointless fight. It opens up the whole map for high-mobility roaming play. Perfect for Helldive. Edit: I don't take anything else. To clarify, I only play bots. I hear Bile Titans are an extremely specific equipment check and I have no idea if the laser cannon would pass. I agree with the sentiment that it seems designed for bots... but I have to say, when you wished you were using something else, it was probably a different weapon each time.

Quasar easily should be moved to B tier for robots, because you can just get slapped so much by devastators or even the weakest base enemies and miss your shot due to flinch alone. I really think it should have faster start up.

literally the most positive helldivers vid that's come out in a while, glad to see someone isn't being a doomer and knows weapons work totally fine.

The EAT is S tear for automatons, mainly because it has a cooldown of only a minute and you get 2 of them, so if you’re in a sticky situation or there’s a bot drop, you can call them down in time to shoot down a dropship or heavy enemy. It’s even better on defense missions because you’re staying in the same location, and with it, the constant bot drops you can easily shoot down.

AMR can kill factory striders. A mag or 2 to the chest and its dead

Mg 43, imo is the best of the three. It can go through medium armor and does insane damage. The only downside is reloading, but even then, just get about 20 feet away from bugs and reload and dodge if they get too close to you.

I'm only level 85 or so, but this list is so freaking accurate in my experience. The only thing I'd change is maybe bump Automaton lasercannon to A tier. It essentially fills the same exact role as the AMR, but just does it slightly worse for the tradeoff of infinite ammo, one tier down feels right. But man, this list just feels spot on.

I agree with most of this list but there are a few issues I personally have.. The MG-43 against the Terminids should be A Tier, that fact its had MEDIUM Armor pen allows it to cut chaff and higher threat bugs in half and on low to moderate rates of fire it does so very efficiently. The Stalwart also get A Tier against the bugs, if it had medium armor pen it would be the perfect weapon against the bugs, you can reload on the move, cut chaff down like your a lead farmer, it just struggles with anything medium armored. On the bot front, both of those machine guns are D tier, just take something else. My Bug Exterminator build is as follows: Light Engineer Armor (+2 Nades, Recoil reduction when crouching) BR-14 Adjudicator (I know how to use this thing and I make short work of just about everything using it, plus it reloads faster than the Tenderizer) MG-43 MMG OR Stalwart LMG (MMG is set to Medium or Low ROF, Stalwart is set to High ROF) Senator Revolver OR Grenade Pistol Impact Frags Resupply Backpack My Tin Can Crusher Build is as follows: Heavy Engineer Armor OR Medium Engineer Armor (I typically run heavy but sometimes you need the extra mobility) R-163 Diligence Counter Sniper OR AR-63 Tenderizer (Both are good, with the Tenderizer you NEED to land headshots to make the most of it, and run it in SEMI-AUTO ONLY) Anti-Material Rifle (this ALWAYS gets paired with the Resupply Backpack), pretty much like the video says, there is not much the tin cans can throw at you that you can't answer back with the AMR. P-113 Verdict (This gun SUCKS against the Bugs, but against the tin cans, its fantastic, just aim for the heads and fire away, its saved my ass more times than I care to count) Impact Frags OR Stun Grenades (if you go stun grenade you NEED to have something to take out bot factories as a stratagem) Resupply Backpack The reason why I don't run an Auto-Cannon is the backpack slot issue, unless you have a friend carry it for you that sticks to you like glue and gives you on demand reloads.

Lately jve been seeing people use the flamethrower more than the auto canon the last weeks or so I’ve barley seen anyone brjng the auto canon and I’m glad cause it shows the weapon balancing is working

Enjoying your content so far. Informative with objective points to support your opinion. keep it up! The only time I've found the laser cannon useful is when you pair it with the sickle. Their cool downs are timed to where you can swap back and fourth and NEVER have to stop shooting. For the terminids you focus on the trash bugs when your sickle is out, and then when its time to swap you use the laser cannon to clean up some of the higher armored units like the hive guard and brood commanders.

For bugs the grenade launcher should be moved up to S tier. The autocannon and stalwart should be switched having the ability to use a supple pack is too good.

If you want the effect of the Airburst Rocket, just take Eagle Cluster Strike. Its does the same but better. Bigger area, same amount of uses, same "reload" speed except you dont have to kneel, and it doesnt take a backpack or support weapon slot.

Thanks for the rankings, i gotta try some of these out.

Grenade Launcher is the best Anti-Bot-Drop weapon. Dropshop hovering above, just pump nades into it and watch the scrap rain down

hey, love your videos. I've been finding them super helpful and enjoyable. Just wondering, could you do an up to date tier list for primary weapons? If not, that's alright. Thank you and keep up the great work!

I'm so glad the spear and the HMG are genuinely good now. I liked them before, but the downsides were huge. Now they're fantastic and so far I have yet to play an op without the HMG

Great tier list. Thank you for sharing.

LOL! Both the MG-43 and the Stalwart are S-Tier. The fact that you say otherwise renders this entire video null and void.

You know exactly what you're talking about, I love this tier list. You've gained a new subscriber and a like.

nice vid man !

I enjoy the quasar against bots because I love having my back free for the jump pack, literally bring it every time. Think being able to jump into an automaton base avoiding their walls and mines, as well as hopping out of a foxhole is under rated

I've personally had the airburst on multiple occasions decimate entire bot patrols consisting of multiple devastators in a single shot . You probably just gotta play around with where you're placing your shots a little.

I'm a sucker for the rail gun. When you get it going it's awesome

13:41 Holy luck diving, I thought you were going in the drink there.

Your Channel is a gidden gem, keep up the good work ❤ Edit// A video like this about the Primarys would be dope asf, especially after these patches, all the other youtuber videos are outdated

i recently bought eruptor and paired with stalwart with 1150rpm and it absolutely shreds terminids theres nothing that can stop me even on high difficulties, definetly try it out

When they buffed the stagger resistance of bigger enemies, that really boned the arc thrower. For i while i only took the arc thrower on both fronts, simply because i could stun lock everything. Specifically, hulks were made trivial because 5’ish arc shots to the face would leave them stun locked and promptly dead.

I have used the HMG and Spear the whole time they have been here, and they are night and day with how much better they have gotten! I am so glad everyone else is enjoying them much more now!

Hey Easy, I’ve been trying to get back into helldivers and I’ve got no clue what to use after all these huge updates. This tier list helps a lot! Could you also make one on weapon loadouts and other stratagems please?

Burst rocket launcher is a fun rocket launcher. You bring it for fun. Fun is good.

I take the GL on every mission and most of the time I top out the number of kills. Combined with a rocket sentry for the heavies and the ammo backpack the GL just shredded massive number of anything. No way it's C tier on bots or a on Bugs.

Airburst has always been cool to me because it feels like you have a portable stratigem. Normally when I am going into an abiective I like to throw in some strats to clear enemies and prevent a breach or drop, but airburst can clear them without wasting that strat

I've been loving the laser cannon on bugs, it shreds charger legs and fodder.

If you have at least 1 teammate with you the grenade launcher can deal with any enemy up to factory strider. It only takes a few shots to the back vents on hulks and tanks, same goes for tower turrets and mortar emplacements and like you said pair it with supplies backpack and ground ammo you have a new primary to run around with. Ive really only used the impact nade with this loadout, but ive been thinking about trying the stun to better solo hulks/tanks Edit: If you learn the arc of the grenade, you can also hit bot fabricators from a pretty good distance away.

4:14 AMR is one of the quickest ways to kill a factory strider, break off front machine guns and it takes 1 1/2 clips from the AMR to the under belly to fully kill one, takes less than 10 seconds

Airburst is my favorite when doing egg missions you can sometimes shoot one rocket clear whole nest like 100m out its so satisfying but thats the only time i use it lol

The autocannon is the lovexhild between the AMR and the recoilless, and I love both weapons to a t.

HMG I feel is so well rounded against bugs. You take on structures, can dmg bile titans under their necks (after breaking the sacs), and hoard clear.

we basically have the same exact list, like it's creepy. subbed

All things considering the primary gun I like to take against the box are is All ready to ammo hungry. That's why I like to take the quasar when it comes to the bop front. Bugs I even get more insane with stems being the only thing I really need due to the loadout of Blitzer quasar and guard dog Rover.

Really good list, honestly

I would really like to love the airburst rocket launcher just as much as I would like to love the shield relay.

I feel like the railgun still has one major advantage for clunkers, that is of course... popin' devies like grapes.

10k subs?? I never realised how underrated you are

very solid list. I would have swap a couple of things 1 tier above or lower but nothing major.

Also the laser cannon and Scyth combo is insane. Got my first 1k kills with that cause you can literary shoot the whole game through. Just gotta know your movement

note: the airburst rocket launcher is REALLY GOOD against defence campaings

Arc thrower is great in situations when you are so swarmed you can’t reload

I ve try the airburst rocket launcher on several mission ans it’s good against bugs especially when holding a position. You can spawn kill every little bug from a distant and let just your team finish the armored ennemies. It also deletes small bug patrols so it’s a power full tool too better manage bug breeches.

I’ve been using flamethrower since I unlocked it against the bugs, and yes it doesn’t care for the most part about armor points…however u feel the difference between regular chargers and the behemoth chargers…it’s almost like it started caring 😂

Laser cannon is one of the top tier weapons against bots. Kills machine guns under strider head within second and can kill it under the striders under belly weak spot, has unlimited ammo if you aren’t a shit player with it and can manage it (don’t use on hot planets really, use on any other planet especially cold). Can take out gunships, hulks, really any bot enemy. Can combo with a jump pack to land on a tank and laser the weak spot. It’s GOATED

The railgun is pretty good for finishing off a behemoth leg that's been hit by one of the AT rocket launchers

I like running Quasar on cold planets now that the recharge rate is fixed. It actually recharge decently fast.

I like the Airburst vs Automotons. Since it blows up over them it can kill all boys scout striders and sometimes kill devestators or atleast blow off their parts.

I wanna charge in with a sword and shield while my Allie’s lay down fire lol I need melee weapons I can switch too when I run out of ammo rather then a smack with the butt of gun. I think it would look and feel really fun.

I used to run Quasar/Sickle vs ze bugz. Now I'm a fanboy of Flamethrower/Breaker Incendiary. I also replaced Eagle Airstrike with Napalm, because I can easily down chargers with the flamethrower and Napalm is perfect for dropping on breaches and killing 20+ bugs in a single streak withour breaking a sweat. And for titans I'm still using 500 kg. Shield backpack, +2 nades armor, explosive impact nades and nade pistol and I'm pretty much good to go. The only downside is I can no longer finish secondary objectives from across the map, but my kill counts went from 200 on the average to more like 400. Both builds are still cool though, depends on what you're in the mood for.

The prime utility of the airburst is the team wipe

Behemoths were the charger you would get when taking the lower difficulty kill(insert enemy type) missions

I have really enjoyed this tierlist, and I atually agree with 97-99% of it too. And for the sake of conversation, I want to say, IMHO, the Grenade Launcher should be 1 tick HIGHER in B-tier for the Automatons and I think I can make an arguement for this, especially since it's damage got buffed recently, and the Arc Thrower in B-tier is considered a "Jack of all Trades," great at nothing but bad at nothing too. I think you could call the Grenade Launcher the same against the Automatons. Yes it's not the best, and it can really struggle against some larger enemies such as Hulks, and gunships obviously. But you can kill many enemies and provide some utility: -Enemies: You can kill ALL Troopers, Beserkers (as long as they're not to close) ALL Devastator types, Scout Striders, Tanks AND Cannon Towers with 1-3 hits on ALL OF THEM, but needs to be on OR near their heat sink weak spots for tanks and towers. (Have to be close to very close to the towers.) -Objectives and Utility: You can clear multiple types of Automaton objectives, such as Mortar Emplacements, AA Emplacements, Bot Fabricators (from the front vent ONLY, and closer to it), Transmission Antenna Towers, and Automaton ammo Caches. Plus the Illegal Broadcast tower (again close to it). -Other Notes: I have also cleared entire dropships of Troopers, Scout Striders, AND Devastators before they drop, by shooting up into the dropship, this can work REALLY WELL if you HAPPEN to be close enought to it, and underneath it most of the time, but risky. I can see a player using stun grenades on hulks and absolutely shredding them by hitting their rear heat sink. I think you could use this on Factory Striders by shooting their belly doors, but have NOT confirmed myself. Nothing you can do against gunships. Share your thoughts and considerations about this.

I use eats on eradication missions because i keep dieing and with the 1 min recharge, ill be able to have a rocket on standbye pretty soon after spawning

You can't keep us Airburst enjoyers down. There are dozens of us. Dozens!

I just can’t stop taking the Spear in a 4 stack. It’s so comfy with the better targeting. The MG sentry with the lower CD is much fun to plop down at the start of a fight. It will take out a ton of chaff then be ready to go two minutes later.

Spear, Blitzer and Grenade Pistol has been my bug loadout lately.

The spear is a bit overrated imo but a good weapon overall. You have to be careful about your distance, positioning, and your ammo when it comes to most targets. Half the time, it’ll take you two shots for hulks or bile titans because the projectile slightly misses the head, even if youre shooting from a distance. It’s great for destroying those big guys but also limited in its one and only job. Still like the weapon but as a certified pyromaniac, I’ll stick to my flamethrower (or HMG for bots)

I've a sudden urge to pilot in the Urby Derby

I’ve found that all the anti tanks are doing pretty good on both front. Particularly the eats because you can use them at the same time as another support weapon. Laser canon is just as strong as the other weapons you put in bot S tier imo. It drops devastators in less that a second. Destroys gunships better than anything else. Sunergizes well with laser primaries to keep damage constantly going.

on bug runs...i run the heavy machine gun and ammo backpack with the Physique buff armor.. + inced. Breaker for the trash and i am unstoppable

you’re sleeping on the arc thrower for bugs, it 6 shots chargers to the head and is on par with the flamethrower for ad clear. It also has stagger which makes it great for bile spewers and can finish off bile titans after a rail cannon or 110mm. Should at least be A tier but I’d put it in S

You say this is a controversial tier list, but it’s actually the only NOT controversial tier list on Helldivers. Very well made.

i think you undervalue quasar against bugs unlike other rocket launchers, you dont need to stop and reload it, you can keep running while it passively cools down on your back

The Arc Thrower is my go to Support Weapon, and as much as I love it, I completely agree with the B tier assessment.

New weapon handling armor is so good for flamethrower too. You'd think why does it matter for a weapon which doesn't require aim... But damn quickly 180 degree cover and set ground on flame is so good. And I live pick dominator for bile spewers.

I would switch grenade Launcher/Autocannon spots on Terminids but otherwise agree with you on most everything.

the Laser Cannon has the same base damage as the Scythe primary. 350 Damage per second. it does 200 damage to Durable parts tho and has AP4. its unlimited ammo and perfect long range accuracy are balanced by a terrible scope, obscuring visual effects, complete lack of stagger, slowdown while firing, and in comparison to its AP4 competition (HMG, AC, AMR), lackluster DPS. I think it needs a buff.

Fully agree with this whole list

Hi Helldivers, the Plasma Shotgun will never disappoint

Are you going to do a primary weapon tier list

AMR is effective against striders. I always strip the chainguns on the head and suddenly the strider is way less scary to the team. Then just shoit the eye or the belly and strider is done, but i usually just strip it feom the guns and let all the strikes people usually call down on them to finish it.

I agree with everything except the MG-43 and the Stalwart (for bots) For me the MG-43 is a solid A tier all the way at the front, Its my favorite support weapon, I take it with me almost all the time, its an absolute Devastator shredder and makes very short work of Berserk hordes while still having more ammo in the box and reserves, consistently do good with it and I love that thing to death. For the Stalwart I'd move it up to C tier all the way in the back, its really nice and fun to use with against the bots, while true it doesn't really have good enough pen to deal with the bigger threats such as Devs or striders, its just really fun to use and thats what really matters to me. (I'd also swap the Recoiless and Quasar with each other)

I'd agree with this list. Except for the spear & autocannon, loss of backpack slot drops them to A for me

Dude the amr destroys a factory strider in 9 shots. Either through the eye or in the belly

before i unlocked the BR14 the MG43 was the only decent gun i had against the bots. i was using it as an assault rifle with a giant mag cap. cause i was struggling to even kill minor adds with anything else i had at the time as a wee cadet. now i rock the BR14 and the autocannon. im rock solid, solo chad no deaths on extreme bots. however the bugs i am struggling with... i have yet to find the right get up to kill bugs, i burn all my teams revives fighting bugs. im hoping this vid will help me figure it out so thanks

I am always surprised when people mention reload time as a downside with assisted reload weapons, it takes very little time to destroy whatever you intend to destroy if someone is loading you, saving time for both of you

Arc Thrower does stun enemies and is great against Spewers and Devastators.

The rail gun is s tier against bot because on SAFE mode it can one shot every single thing that walks decent damage on bot tanks and great against airships

The airburst rocket launcher I still think they should change it to like how they expendable is. It drops down you get two rockets no backpacks and it's cool down like a minute minute 30. I think it would be perfect to then

The laser cannon is amazing. I’m not hating, but I think it’s a skill issue on ur side. Laser cannon takes 0.5 seconds to take out a devastators, 2 seconds for hulks, a single mag per strider to the face. Doesn’t require ammo either.

Love my auto cannon, never leave home without it 😊

Hard to believe you think the stalwart is a better pick than the MG43. The smaller mag size and stationary reload are really its only downfalls. It shreds enemies in less rounds, and deals with medium armored enemies with ease. It’s so much fun to lay down and start laying down volleys of fire with the MG43. Genuinely my fav machine gun in the game for bugs.

Quasar cannon does not suffer from damage drop off due to distance like the EAT and Recoiless

It might just be me but honestly the spear is my new personal number 1 sup weapon in the game. I cant begin to say how satisfying it is to shoot any target let it be a shrieker nest, a spore spewer or a bot factory from across the entire map and be done with it.

I prefer MG-43 over Stalwart for bugs. Stalwart is awesome horde clear, but standing in front of a bile spewer REALLY makes you miss that medium armor penetration. And its surprisingly good against chargers! Set to max fire rate, throw a stun grenade and shove half a magazine up the chargers backside.

commando is S tier now. also the AMR does pretty much what the counter sniper does

Ok, Railgun is a lot of fun to play against Terminids right now and can strip Armor off of Chargers and kill BTs, move to the top of B tier. AMR kills Factory Striders just fine, but it may take 1 and a half mags. Laser cannon with shield pack moves it to the bottom of S-tier on Automatons. Autocannon needs to drop down to the top of A tier because it isn't ammo efficient against structures but can eventually kill them. Railgun completely falls off against Gunships and Factory striders, I can't use it on that front until it gets more changes.

I would put Quasar a little lower against terminids. I guess that's a skill issue, I don't have balls to stand there and wind it up while a charger is, well, charging me haha