Tim, that is awesome to hear! Thanks for sharing that with everyone. KPO

Where in Indiana are you catching walleye?

@@timothymackinnon4953 i go up to michigan for walleye, good places for walleye are in the kankakee river for indiana

Indiana is hard for walleye I have been trying for year with little success 😔 still I won’t give up

Thanks for sharing!

Let me know how it works for you, KPO.

Awesome! Glad to hear it worked for you! Thanks for letting me know, KPO.

Glad to help! Thanks for the support.

Very cool! Thanks for adding in, KPO.

Let me know how it works for you.

It works, it has a time and place. Let me know how it works for you, KPO.

Please do!

Thanks for adding in, KPO.

Like I said in the video, these have a time and place. If you need to slow down they can work great, but if you are nailing them with spinners and crawlers in the past they still could be the best option. Just depends on conditions. Let me know how it goes and thanks for the support!

Let me know how they work for you!

JH, thanks for that comment. Ronnie does add a certain element to the vids. KPO

@@KnettersPracticalOutdoors how deep will this #7 flatfish go to troll for walleye.i.d like to try it on a inland lake.also maybe for steelhead in a river this fall

@@iancameron1662 It doesn't run very deep at all. I always add split shot, bottom bouncers or snap weights depending on the depth. I've never fished with them for steelhead, but I know guys that do well with similar baits. Thanks for watching, KPO.

Thanks for adding that in. Let me know how it works out, KPO.

It has a time and place, KPO.

A small bullet slip sinker ahead of the inline swivel and your regular walleye harness will hammer them in the shallows. Lindy rig basically.

Thanks so much for watching. Now I have done a lot of walleye fishing over the years and I have a few vids that I'm sure can help you out. But this guy, Tom Boley, check out his channel if you haven't already. kzfaq.info/love/RExOt3taw88mQiuyXrQpzA He used to guide and does seminars. Helping you catch walleyes is his thing. Let me know how the walleye fishing goes for you. Thanks again, KPO.

Give them a try.

Thanks for the comment, KPO.

Let me know how it worked.

Under the right conditions they catch fish, KPO.

Did it work?

@@KnettersPracticalOutdoors got waylayed no fishing!

Haven't done that, but definitely give it a try.

Let me know how it works for you Bill. Thanks for the comment, KPO.

Good luck!

Awesome! Thank you!

Gerald, I'm sure different colors work better than others, but just like other lures that depends on many things; water clarity, fishing during the day/night, local walleye menu. I usually stick to the rules of thumb; stained water bright colors (chartreuse, firetiger or something that glows) clear water more natural colors (silver, white) although white has been good for me in all types of water. Either way that crawler looks like a crawler. Thanks for the comment and let me know how it works out for you, KPO.

It should run higher than the sinker in that situation.

I don't know Steve, looking at your walleye vids, you seem to be doing everything right already. But the FF are an option if you want to slow down from spinners or cranks. As far as the manual aerator, it just depends on which restaurant Ronnie last ate at! Thanks, KPO.

I think it has it's place and time. Thanks for watching, KPO.

Okay that answers my question, the flatfish lure is different than the lazy Ike. Or is it?!

I still run em on vermillion. And crane, and namakan. Still my favorite jure of all time.

If I'm remembering correctly, I usually run a size 2, 4 or 6. I like to go on the smaller side if there are nice panfish around. I'm kind of back and forth on the swivel, because I do like to thread my crawler up over the eye of the hook. The bulk of the eye, knot and tag end of the line help hold the crawler in place. If you thread up over the swivel it kind of defeats the purpose of the swivel. But with just a couple of inches of line behind the flatfish, the swivel kind probably do have more action if you don't thread too far up the hook. So the short answer is I'm still experimenting. I go with 20lb floro. I don't see a reason to go any lighter. Thanks for watching, KPO.

Thanks for watching, KPO.

I believe I use size 2 and 4 slow death. Smaller sizes are nice if there are some nice perch or bluegills around. Thanks for watching, KPO.

You get it, KPO.

Same here!

Like I said it's an option. If your getting fish with cranks or spinners that might be best for the big open water of Saginaw I don't know. But if you want to slow down a little or drift with very little wind, the FF are an option. Thanks for watching, KPO.

It's so that you can land your own fish. Fits on your forearm for leverage when using only one hand.

James, that "hook" is actually a handle designed for one handed netting. If you look at the vid again, imagine my hand on the black part and the hook part on my fore arm. It's pretty cool if you're the only one in the boat. The only thing I saw on the net was "Rivers and Lakes". Not sure if it's the company or the model. Thanks for the question. KPO

Thanks for letting me know that, KPO.

Good advice, KPO.

You are probably right, KPO.

If you mean the yellow one, no. It's a rod I made when I was in 5th grade and the blank is a Fenwick. This rig does have a time and place. let me know how it goes.

Mark, glad to hear that. Thanks for the comment, KPO.

I generally use 20# fluorocarbon, KPO.

Our pleasure!

A rookie mistake. Remember everything costs more, takes longer, and bring more beer.

Unclekato, these rigs have a time and place, but it sounds like you're doing everything right already...……….except the amount of beer you bring! Thanks for adding in, KPO.

Yes to all questions. Thanks, KPO.

I do a little pike fishing with dead bait (smelt) and sometimes shiners, KPO.

Mine do not, KPO.

Yes, I've experimented with spin-n-glows. They are a good option too.

Thank you.

When I was a kid I fished the Wisconsin River in the Rhinelander area a lot. But back then it was mostly casting Spinners and F11 Rapalas. Let me know how it works out, KPO.

Yes, I've used those too, they work. I just prefer the F7s. Thanks for watching, KPO.

Slow it down and troll into the current. 2.5 is ripping for walleyes. Assuming their noses are into the current give em some time to react

J Myhre I was thinking the same thing. How this combination would work downhill trolling in the John day pool

I don't know the exact speed, but they wiggle with anything slightly more than being stopped. KPO

Dan, I'll have to get one. Thanks for adding in, KPO.

I use 20lb fluoro. It's more about break offs for me.

@@KnettersPracticalOutdoors i find when using fluoro carbon for flyfishing tippets way more break offs compaired to monofor me mono has a good amount stretch and it can take the the hard hits better.. but thanks man i will try 10 pound mono ....

William, yes you can catch walleyes and other fish with just a plain flatfish. Just like you can get them with a plain spinner and no crawler. The crawler just makes it better. Thanks for watching, KPO.

@@KnettersPracticalOutdoors You're probably aware of this but just in case you're not there are not many lures better for trout than a flatfish. I can't begin to tell you how many big rainbows and browns I've caught on a flatfish. It's also a great salmon and mackinaw lure.

Yes I have done a little of that myself. I use them for fishing rainbows in stocked lakes and I know steelhead fisherman will use them in streams also. It sounds like to me that you are trolling them in bigger water (or tributaries to big water) based on you mentioning salmon? They are somewhat underrated but work well for many species. Thanks for adding in, KPO.

A couple of times I have used really thin light spoons in front of the crawler. I'm sure they would work if I gave them more time, but they need to be trolled a little faster so I haven't stuck with them. KPO

Knetters Practical Outdoors, makes sense. I use it for trout but it’s a little faster as you said. I appreciate the flatfish trolling technique, nobody does that around here. Can’t wait to try it.

Paul, you're paying attention! Hey, thanks for watching, KPO.

Yeah Paul, that's why "Mr. Camaro" is still living with mom and dad... His math skills are a little fuzzy. Must be that "common core" math. lol

My thoughts exactly.lol

I really like white. White seems to work in clear or stained water. I also like chromes and yellows. Thanks for watching, KPO.

Steel, thanks for watching. Like I said in the vid, the FF are an option. I don't know but depending on how you fish Erie they might be too slow, KPO.

So did the flat fish work on erie?

@@mikelauer908 yeah early spring they did, under 12 foot of water and under. Will try deeper starting soon.

I still use them and they still work.

I believe they are Worden's Flatfish. I have got them on Amazon, KPO.

I see them most everywhere tackle is sold. Gander Outdoors, Bass Pro. Online at the Grizzly Tackle Company, they have a great selection of bobber because they mostly cater to crappie fisherman. Thanks for watching, KPO.

Same weights should be fine. But you will be trolling slower with the flatfish. That might cause them to run deeper than expected. If the flatfish are trolled too fast they just turn upside down or sideways. Let me know how it works out.

How did it work out for you? @reggiem1668

Oddly enough, the most fish were caught on Erie Dearies that day I believe! I have never gotten them to work that well myself! The boat crew were initially recommending crawler harnesses which did ok. I don’t think I got any bites on the flatfish setup, but, as he said, we may have been drifting too fast! It was a bit windy if I remember right.

Richard, like I said in the vid, the FF are a good option if you want to slow down some from spinners. They work for many of the lakes/conditions I fish. Thanks again, KPO.

Glad you enjoyed that.

3/0 to 6/0 seems to work for me.

Basically when Subway starts putting a check valve on their straws, Ronnie will start having check valves on his straws, if you know what I mean. Thanks for watching, KPO.

Yes, but they will probably need some weight added and I would keep the slow death hook close, so it doesn't tangle with the flatfish on the cast, KPO.

Some have snap rings but on others I have cut the hooks, KPO.

@@KnettersPracticalOutdoors Thanks

Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching, KPO.

Informative-funny- innovative=great video (2+2+2=7=😀)

Yes, those work too. The main difference is the Lil Guy doesn't wobble as much at slow speeds.

Never tried it but I'm sure it would work.

At slow speeds the flatfish hardly dive at all. I would stay with the same leads used with harnesses.

I have used these with bottom bouncers but I usually troll so slow they don't really dig down to were they hit the bottom. KPO

@@KnettersPracticalOutdoors thank you, I'll be at the lake this coming week and the walleye are deep and going for very slow jig retrieval. I bought a few flatfish and I'll implement this tactic.

That's a great idea!

Yes, kinda of. When I first starter doing this I just put a crawler on the treble hook that comes on the flatfish. Once I started using slow death I added the space. I've thought about keeping the hook on the flatfish along with the slow death. Really it can't hurt. I'm still experimenting. Thanks for the interest, KPO.

I'm sure you could leave it and maybe I should too.

Nick, glad you enjoyed the video. I checked out your channel and it's awesome, subbed you right away. I'm pretty sure you have some relatives that have taught me a lot about fishing over the last 40 years. Thanks for watching, KPO.

Yup, me too to both of you. Now I just need to get on one of your boats... or both 🤔😏

Awesome! Glad to hear people are laughing a little right now. Thanks for watching, KPO.

Lol!

Well, I usually add a little weight to the set-up (1/8 oz split shot). That along with the crawler makes the Flatfish sink very slowly. So now my depth is very speed dependent. If I am trolling, I might be letting out 100 feet to get down 4 feet. If I am wind drifting (slower) it might be 50 feet out to get 4 feet down. When I wind drift, I am always experimenting because the speed is never exactly the same. Thanks for watching, KPO.

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Yes, I make mine, but they are similar to Lindy Little Guys. But the Little Guys are trolled faster most of the time.

but you get a prize!

Get on good walleye water and get these to the right depth and you will catch them, KPO.

yes

They don't dive much and need to be fished very slow or they turn on their side and rise. Sinkers should help.

@@KnettersPracticalOutdoors thank you

It doesn't dive deep at all. I usually add a split shot just to get it down a few feet at 75 ft back.

You know it!

Any that you would use with other walleye stuff. I usually fish them in 8 - 10 ft of water, so I just use some split shot. But anything will work, snap weights, bottom bouncers etc.

I've gotten them off of Amazon, KPO.

I haven't tried them, but I'm sure they would do well also.

​@@KnettersPracticalOutdoors Thank you for your answer. Have you ever tried hooking the line after the hook instead of removing it. in the event that the fish would attack the flatfish?

Yes, you could bank fish them. You may need some weight added to cast them, KPO.

Less than a mile/hr. They will rise to the surface if ran too fast. The line out depends on how deep I want them to run. I add split shot sometimes, but I usually just run them 50ft or so behind planers and they are only going a few feet down.

Thank you. Mostly I’ll be running in 10ft of water , I’m just trying to find methods to fish in the wind, this looks like it will work out for me

It's not too deep. Definitely use some weight system if you feel the fish are deeper than a couple of feet. These flat fish don't run very deep on there own. Thanks for watching, KPO.

@@KnettersPracticalOutdoors Thanks for the tips. I appreciate your response.

When you put weights on where do you put the weights on the line?

Very similiar. They should work too.

I'm interested but I need more details, KPO

@@KnettersPracticalOutdoors When you tie your hook on, use a palomar. It leaves a tag end which you can cut to 3/16" or so. Slide the nose of your crawler over the knot and the tag acts as a barb.

He's right . I do this too

Thanks for adding in, KPO.

Sometimes faster is better. Maybe try these when the other faster stuff isn't working? KPO

@@KnettersPracticalOutdoors That's the thing. I've tried it dozens upon dozens of times in several different lakes at several different times. It just never works for me. I've tried chrome, chrome and blue, and yellow w/ spots. Maybe it just swims too much like a healthy fish? Anyways I tried your method with a little cleo and it worked just fine. Fish flies screwed up the bite but I still managed to land a few walleye.

Yes, thanks for adding that in. One thing to consider is that many "Pros" really need to move the needle of selling a product. So many great ways to catch fish involve live bait. Most live bait techniques don't sell products. So when a "Pro" tells you this or that is the best way to catch a walleye/bass, this "Pro" may have other motivations than just helping you catch more fish.

​@@KnettersPracticalOutdoors So true...I had an argument with one of them. He got real mad, publicly, when I addressed that and told the truth. I have nothing against the lure manufacturers, but there's a limit. There are lures for fish in the water and lures to empty the wallet of the "walking fish"...

You are welcome, KPO.