i absolutely love that you added chapter markers for the different numbers in the description. ALWAYS do this for lists

Nobody talks enough about King's Dilemma... I think it's plain amazing. The voting system might seem light at first, but it's actually very solid and gives a lot of room for debating and trying to convince others (even heavily roleplaying it is possible). It makes for really lively guests around the table. The story is stellar (best one in the genre, hands down), the legacy aspect is excellent (it's subtle how you're constantly trying to balance short time victory and long time consequences). I'm glad you gave it some recognition!

"Gloomhaven can be reset" *looks at my copy covered in stickers, marks, and torn up cards" Suuuuuuuure

Since campaign games were excluded, would that make a good top 10 or separate ranking video?

Tom, totally understand separating Campaign games from Legacy. Can we expect a Campaign games list in the near future?

Great list Tom, short and sweet, and I loved the time stamps so we could jump through it a bit quicker. We LOVE if someone ever added those to the top 100 lists you do. Lot of games to check out after watching this. Pandemic Legacy being number one, but I've known that for a while! Thanks again.

In what world is Gloomhaven not a legacy game? I've never heard anyone (reviewer or otherwise) not consider it one when talking about them. You write on the board, put stickers on both the board and cards, break seals, open secret boxes and envelopes, and rip up cards. I'm genuinely not sure how it could be more of a legacy game if it tried.

I've played Pandemic Legacy Seasons 1 and 2 as well as Clank Legacy. One thing that was frustrating about the Pandemic Legacy games was that as careful as my wife and I tried to be we always seemed to mess up one of the new rules that came along as the game progressed. We didn't seem to have that same problem with Clank Legacy. I'm not sure if it was because the changes to the rules/gameplay weren't as numerous or complex or that they just seemed more intuitive.

Pandemic season zero is the best one? Tom you and I are VERY different gamers.

We just finished Betrayal Legacy and I was surprised it was so low on your list! But then again I was a fan of the original's weird spoopy presentation and the hints at lore. It was our first Legacy game! Now looking at what to do for our second and looks like Pandemic 1 is a good choice! I think we'll save 0 for last.

You talking about the production quality of Charterstone reminded me about its scratch-offs. The scratching off was a dream. I had no idea that this was a thing that could exist, but it was so much better than the scratch-off material in season 1 and season 2 that it may be my defining memory of the game. Which is probably unfair, because I like game enough that (given the time since my play) that I would play it through again, but that really stands out (along with that mechanism in one game that I won't spoil).

Risk Legacy is a great and after a few rounds with some permanent changes it becomes FAR superior than regular risk (that doesn't take forever to play either).

I’m playing through pandemic season 0 now with friends and it’s crazy, super strategic, super fun, and we’re only just got to month 4

3/4ths through for Pandemic Season 0 with my Dad, who is not a gamer. It's been amazing. already the Best board game experience i've ever had. surprises galore and each game has been a nail biter to the finish. Haven't played the other Pandemic seasons and am worried that we've been spoiled.

I felt almost personally offended when you said that Gloomhaven isn't a legacy game. But also made me interested in keep watching to see what "legacy" really is

I am currently playing Clank Legacy with my group. It is a lot of fun so far, glad to see it getting some love from Tom!

My group loved going through the Charterstone campaign and we are really enjoying playing one-off games with our 'finished' setup. We are about halfway though Clank! Legacy now and loving that too.

Its the first time I saw a video separated by chapters. Just fantastic, good work. look forward to play some of the pandemic legacy's games in the series.

Tom talking about Betrayal at house on the hill echoes a lot of my grievances with that game. English isn't the first language here, and I am usually the one who ends up reading and translating the rules (even though all my friends and family is proficient in English, a lot of technical details and rules tend to go over most peoples head or they have a hard time grasping it). That means when ever there is a haunt, no matter if I'm the one doing the haunting or the one being haunted, I usually end up spoiling myself by having to clarify rules. And the dice rolling is sometimes so insanely "lucky", we've actually gone through the entire house and still not had a haunt because of the improbably lucky dice throws (needing all 8 dice to be a hit and still managing). Other times we fail right away and no one has been able to pick up a single weapon or a card... I really want the game to be good, it is perfect for my type of game group, but it simply has those niggling issues that make me hesitant to pull it out...

We just finished Zombie Kidz. Lots of fun!

Been slowly playing through Pandemic Legacy Season 1 with some friends. Before the real pandemic hit we had just finished August...

One reason there are fewer legacy games is that they are a hard sell for casual gamers. In general, you pay the same price as a standard game, but you need to play through the entire "campaign" fairly quickly, and when you're done you can never play the game again. Compare that to Pandemic, which can sit on your shelf for a decade, being pulled down once every few months for game night.

Great vid, as always - loving the advanced editing - markes, etc. Watched today as bought "Zombie Kidz" for my girls last year and loved the legacy aspect. Now looking for the "next hit" as I'm currently playing original "Clank" and was thinking of getting this for my girls, the fact that "Clank Legacy" had come in so high, i think I've found my next family legacy game! Cheers Tom et al! 👍😁

There was a discussion on Facebook about the Pandemic Seasons games. My observation was "I think part of the reason people don't like S2 is that with S1 you could play it like normal Pandemic and it wouldn't hurt you as badly. Yeah, there are some things you have to avoid or do differently, but ultimately it is Pandemic. S2 if you played it like Pandemic you will not have fun. Oh in the first couple months it wouldn't matter as much, but as you get further along then you will start to get hurt more and more." When my wife and I played we weren't really paying attention to the legacy deck and sometime in October or November we protected some cities while we let some other cities that we didn't care too much about get in a bad place. By the time December rolled by we realized that we couldn't win the game with our current layout. So we had to throw the first game in December to help clean stuff up in order to try to win the game. So late December was our last hurrah. We did stuff with the deck to help us out. With it only being the last shot it made it for a tense game, but in the end we prevailed. And it lead to an epic story. My character was the savior of the day. S1 I played a couple times and it was still fun. S2 I've only played once but, after we stopped playing it like it was a normal game of Pandemic, we started to have fun in it and by the end it was a great time. All in all I'd probably put S1 up above S2. I can't wait to try S0.

I know Zombie Kidz got slightly shafted here due to it being a kids game, but if you have children age 6-12 you owe it to yourself to get this game. Personally I was weary of the theme (and wasn't nuts about the title, the rulebook, or even that it's a legacy game to be honest) but once I got this it was an absolute hit which we literally had to force ourselves to play less as to not exhaust it too quickly.

Haven't started this video yet but it will probably result in buying at least one more board game XD P.s. I always liked board games and got myself few years back. Then I discovered this channel and bought a lot. Now I know what a worker placement and a legacy game is XD Binging your top 10s is so entertaining and educational.

I've only played 2 Legacy games, and we quit halfway though them both. Seafall is one of them, and the biggest reason we didn't finish it wasn't because the game was bad, but we played with 5 players, 1 of them has more or less quit now and another one doesn't play that much, and when he does he wants to play more interesting (non-legacy) games.

King’s Dilemma is my favorite by far...but now I have more to look into!

In our group we have played Betrayal Legacy, Pandemic Legacy I and II, and Seafall (and Gloomhaven), and while Seafall has obvious shortcomigs, it gave us our favorite and our most memorable legacy game experience. We have talked to other gaming groups who liked it less, and a challenge is that while it is a competitive game, you do to some degree need to cooperate and at least share some information; if you don't, the game will slow down significantly. We didn't have a problem with that; we found a good balance between competition and cooperation, and for all the players (we were 5) it is the best and most legendary legacy game experience; for us the big reveal in Seafall (when an item that we really did not expect came into play) was far more impressive and had a lot more impact than the September event in Pandemic Legacy I.

If I'm understanding correctly, you shouldn't buy a legacy game used? (Because pieces get permantly changed). Asking because I've seen a couple of these used at stores before and was considering them.

I've played Pandemic Legacy seasons 1 and 2, Charterstone, and am halfway through Clank Legacy. I agree with Tom's order. I really did not like Charterstone. It just felt like there was so much weight to your decisions but you have no way of knowing what was a good or bad decision. I made, what ended up to be, mostly bad decisions and basically had no chance after the 4th game and then had to play through 8 more, and its story was weak. Also some factions are stronger than others, not very well balanced which is a complaint I've heard from other people about certain Stonemier games. Can't wait to play Pandemic season 0.

I am kinda shocked you don't consider gloomhaven a legacy game. It has envelopes, it has boxes you need to do stuff to open, it has stickers...Hell, the stickers on the abilities mean you really can't reset it easily even if the map stickers can just be ignored or whatever. I can't think of a single way it isn't a legacy game...

Tom made this video just so he could talk about seafall again lol

Please tell me how I get back the cards I ripped apart in Gloomhaven so I can reset it? And how do I get a new map sheet? It's the bloody DEFINITION of a legacy game. Even Pandemic Legacy is less of a legacy game.

Surprised to see I’ve played through most of these! I guess I have a type and didn’t even realize it. My group and I had to stop playing risk legacy. We loved going through it, but it also led to certain factions getting over powered and therefore never finished it. Clank, Kings dilemma or Aeons end may have to be next on my list!

Risk remains my top Legacy experience, in large part because of the novelty, and because of the group we played with. I also think I just prefer competitive Legacy games over co-op. And Pandemic is lower for me, too, because I was so tired of its base gameplay before starting Season 1 that it colored the experience in a negative way for me.

How is Gloomhaven not a legacy game?, first you cannot reset Gloomhaven on it's own, you would have to buy the removable stickers made by another company! Then you add new cards, others once used are removed forever, open envelopes, open secret boxes, and progress through a campaign ALL the elements of legacy games lol.

Thank you for the great round up and lack of spoilers!!

Been a while since I've watched a DT video. Trying to watch something in a break at work. Put it on 1.25x speed. Woah... Hyper-Vasel alert! Too much!

Great list! Pandemic season 1 has my top spot right now, I really disliked many parts of part 2 although it's the most interesting idea and it's the one I found myself making strategies in my head between sessions the most. Extremely engaging but felt so stressful and dare I say luck based on which path you end up taking in game and what you explore first which can make the game too challenging or too easy, the final mission also felt so anticlimatic and disappointing. And then there's season 0 which I thought I would enjoy the most but the epidemic mechanic kept giving 3-5 outbreaks in cities with 0 surveillance which was too often for comfort and the "base infiltration minigames" made me stop playing all together somewhere around october I think. I really like the theme and idea but as a player I need slightly more control over my success cause card draw more than in earlier seasons can shoot you in the foot in a big way. Just my opinions, so even though season 1 is pretty basic it always felt balanced to me, things can always go bad quick since it's pandemic but the out of your control chaos scenarios were rare enough that I could laugh it up, not so much with the other seasons after a while.

Thanks Tom, I feel im gonna get season 0. I liked Seafall, it has a lot of issues but with the right people its still fun

My wife bought me clank legacy, the only boardgame she likes playing and we are through scenario 6. It is just the best game of all time. Serious, fun, entertaining, changing a lot, we are addicted. We've been playing clank for a year and a half and this legacy version is just the holy grail. 10/10.

I miss my Clank! Legacy group. We’ll get back to it some day. I was ready to pass on Pandemic 0 after the other two, but if it’s that much better...

Clank Legacy is my favorite, but to be fair, I haven't played too many of them!! I wonder if they will make a clank in space legacy game!!

Clank Legacy was great, but it does have a tough mechanic where if you get a great offer on your turn randomly you might get an awesome card and just win outright. Still great game!

Will you guys ever do a top Lovecraft/Cthulhu games list? I'd personally love it.

Clank! Legacy is fantastic. Was playing it with my group before the COVID hit, we plan on picking it back up as soon as it's safe to do so. It's the first legacy game I've played though so I'm worried the rest of the genre will disappoint me.

What’s the next step for legacy games? App driven? Replayability?

Betrayal legacy is our favorite, though we mid game because of covid. I think your first good legacy experience tends to get a boost due to novilty, like Tom's risk legacy.

Clank Legacy is number 1 for me. Hoping the make another version But! In! Space!

Thanks Tom - I love these lists. I’m not a fan of charterstone although I think playing solo was the main reason - the automa didn’t seem to bring anything and I misread a vital rule so I have the reset pack to give it another whirl. I’m loving PLS1 and Clank and now I want Rise of Queensdale .... wonder if my other half will notice it on the credit card bill???

Great list Tom, my top legacy game right now would be Aeons end legacy but I havent played pandemic legacy season 0 or clank legacy yet so.....

And which game you recomended for playing solo with legacy game?

Hello, being new to board gaming, I never played the pandemic legacy games as they came out. This means that when I come to play them, I have all 3 available to me from the beginning. Do you recommend starting with season 0 as chronologically it comes first, or to start with season 1 because you’re supposed to or it introduces mechanics to you better or something?

Usually agree with you Tom, but Gloomhaven is straight up a legacy game, even if it last 100+ hours

I hadn't heard of legacy games until yesterday, now I desperately want to the play all 3 (or 2?) Pandemic Legacy seasons

Just finished the aeon's legacy. Love the base game, and it was fun to introduce the game to a few friends who had never played.

we need TCG legacy "destroy opponents card", "his card becomes yours" etc

I could be totally wrong but isn’t Harry Potter hogwarts battle a legacy game? Surprised to not see it in this list if so 🤔

Pre-ordered Seafall with metal coins for $100. Saw it on Amazon the other week for $17... still haven't played it, btw. Money well spent.

i enjoyed Pandemic Legacy Season 2 so much more than Season 1. There isnt much you can talk about without spoilers but Season 1 (and the base game) is way to determistic and never felt really risky for the pieces you play. Season 2 brings this little more risk and therefore its so much more intense :)

I’ve just purchased Clank Legacy and have Pandemic Season 0 pre-ordered before watching this video and now I’m really excited 😊

I think my problem with Seafall was its length, by game 9-10 we had unlocked most of the components but the game sugested you play a full 20 something games. It became a treadmill of repeating game play with too little story or mechanics to anchor it.

Is the clock in the thumbnail from Elder Sign? if not does anyone know where its from?

Thank you!! I was looking exactly this, i want to buy my first legacy game and you have my a good perspectiva also severa options. Great video.

Are you going to redo this list with the new ones that are coming out like sagrada and ticket to ride?

I dont understand why Seafall is disliked so much. I had an incredibly fun time playing it with friends.

Completely agree with Clank! Own or played all or part of all of these besides My City. I never want to see Betrayal again. Those haunt rules are horrendous. Really excited to get farther in King's Dilemma.

Love the list and production of this video. I can't get over your opinion that Gloomhaven is not a legacy game. By the games design you actually physically can not reset the box to square one. Road and City cards are intended to be destroyed when prompted, choosing to make a discard pile and not destroying them is a personal choice. Also with the mercenary unlocks, you can't ever do that again. If you keep spoiler free like I have and the community is dedicated to keeping a respect towards, once you open a mercenary class you can never have that experience again. Sure you can buy new map stickers and remove the old ones, you can do that with a handful on this list. Gloomhaven is a legacy game and it's number one on my personal list for the reasons above.

The destruction part feels like a business decision to trash resell value when they could have done it differently not to be "permanent". Parents might notice it is the same story with school activity books, where are the manuals we used to cover in paper not to damage them? They're much less available because business can't sell what people can resell. That said I disagree with BGG's definition of "Legacy". All legacy mechanics could be easily reset. Only thing that might not be as easy is sealed envelops or boxes, but you could say same if you've read the next chapter of a campaign game before playing the previous one. I think what Legacy should be about is rule/world change, not because you can or can't reset it. We're not going on "It's a war game, you should die if you lose", it's a game.

For a terrible moment I thought Werewolf Legacy was going to be number 1. The only Legacy game I've had to abandon, which was a shame, because I felt the families and emergent horror stories through the generations was done so much better in Betrayal.

I liked PandeLeg2 much more than PandeLeg1. I like story, but gameplay is far more important. PandeLeg1 mostly seemed to start out as base Pandemic and slowly added in elements from the 3 expansions. So I've always been under the impression that most folks who went nuts for PL1 were unfamiliar with the expansions. PL2 was more new & fresh without rehashing. While on the whole i prefer PL1's story, i much prefer PL2's fall (october?) surprise over PL1's september. Note: If you haven't played, PL2's fall surprise won't make sense unless you play PL1 first

Is it just me or is the mic picking up the fabric moving throughout this whole video?

12:41 Not if you listen to Rahdo... He believes that you can still play them - as a regular Pandemic game - with your own personalized map - after you finish with it - and it will remind you of your playthrough of the Legacy game.

I'm new to board games in general here. Just looking for something to start with. Clank, Dungeon run, wingspan and betrayal at house on the hill. All sound interesting specially the P&P type.

The game coming back to its original in an easy way or not should is not a reason to define a game as legacy as it has nothing to do with the mechanics game itself, only with how we handle the game. A legacy game is one that provides a unique experience to each campaign, where the campaign itself changes through plays.

Clank Legacy is really tempting to me but I just can't bring myself to buy a board game based on an RPG campaign that I don't know anything about or care to watch

I absolutely loved Seafall. One of the most fun games I ever played.

Could you have given a definition for a legacy game at the start, so that people who have never heard the term won't assume you're talking about something else?

So would you say that Risk Legacy rated so highly due to it getting... a Legacy bonus? :P

Great video! Thank you. This was so helpful.

1. Why is there a box of cherry tomatoes on the shelf?

Clean Co op out on Gloomhaven being legacy given it can be re set. Yet number one the 1st thing he mentions about it is its replay value.

I'd like to see a revisit to Seafall as the idea had so much promise. My group played through it quite a bit and sometimes it was engaging and fun and other times it was weaksauce. I think it could do with a second version.

Do you remember the 21st night of September? Love was changing the minds of pretenders While chasing the clouds awaaaaaaay...

Nice Tom, great review

Is Clank any good if I have not watched the AI show ?

Wouldn't it be cool if they did a Firefly Legacy? And then maybe a Firefly Legacy Season 2? Too soon?

When is The Mind Legacy coming out?

Interesting! Thanks for the reviews!

Recently purchased pandemic legacy season 1. I have played base pandemic many times. Anyone have tips or must do's don't before I start? I don't mean what choices to make during the game etc I mean in terms of rule mistakes or things often overlooked forgotten

Definitely agree that Clank Legacy was fantastic. Charterstone was good, but post campaign games are incredibly dull. We had a great time with Betrayal Legacy, but all our players were already well versed in the original game (wouldn't recommend for new players). Seafall is... well... it just is I guess.

Rob should get a lifetime achievement award from the idustry.

Do tournaments count as legacy?

Betrayal Legacy is probably my favourite gaming experience ever.

I would have placed Aeons End legacy much higher up the list, but what can ya do.

Tom. Would you consider a Legacy version of Nothing Personal?

Others are saying it too, but top Campaign list then? That'd be great as well. Gloomhaven and Pathfinder ACG for me.

Aeon's end is miles ahead of pandemic legacy 1 or 2 for me. Im still in shock tom did not like it more than that. But it happens :)

Got Pandemic Legacy for Xmas and sold it. Randomness in this game has crushed me (haven't played the base game before, it was my first time). It is justified and thematic but still, I couldn't play it. Since then I call it Randemic 😃