I've pointed that out and people think I'm making things up. Unfortunately, some people don't want to understand

1 Corinthians 6:9 - homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom.

Very right. The beginning of Romans is pretty clear enough on what debauchery the Romans are engaging in.

When Jesus says that what you eat does not defile you, but the things that defile come from the heart, which includes adultery and unchastity among other things. Sodomy would've universally been understood in a Jewish context as being included in that. If Jesus wanted to revise that teaching he would've said so, but just for good measure St. Paul had to reiterate that teaching when preaching to the gentiles.

📖The following scripture without a doubt proves that homosexuality is a sin: 🕊️“Let all who are spiritually mature agree on these things. If you disagree on some point, I believe God will make it plain to you.” Philippians‬ ‭3‬:‭15‬ 1. What did our Father say in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Genesis‬ ‭2‬:‭24‬ ‭ 2. Did Jesus reaffirm our Father’s view on marriage❓ 🕊️“Haven’t you read the Scriptures?” Jesus replied. “They record that from the beginning ‘God made them male and female.’” And he said, “‘This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Matthew‬ ‭19‬:‭4‬-‭5‬ 3. Did the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles reaffirm our Father’ & Jesus’ view on marriage❓ 🕊️“As the Scriptures say, “A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Ephesians‬ ‭5‬:‭31‬ 4. Is Jesus’ example of love separate from an individual’s sexual immorality❓ 🕊️“Live a life filled with love, following the example of Christ. He loved us and offered himself as a sacrifice for us, a pleasing aroma to God. Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God’s people.” Ephesians 5:2-3 5. Is sex considered a sin❓ 🕊️“Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body.” 1 Corinthians 6:18 6. Under what condition is sex allowed❓ 🕊️“But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband.” 1 Corinthians 7:2 Conclusion: Not only did our Father, Jesus and the Apostles clarify marriage between heterosexuals but further state that sexual immorality was only acceptable through heterosexual marriage. If sexual immorality is only acceptable between heterosexuals then by default, sex & marriage between homosexuals is not only sinful but contradicts our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles. Even though we know more now about sexual orientations, who will dare claim our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles knew less❓ 7. Are we all given the free will to accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live!” Deuteronomy‬ ‭30:19‬ 8. Will you accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Just say a simple, ‘Yes, I will,’ or ‘No, I won’t.’ Anything beyond this is from the evil one.” Matthew‬ ‭5:37‬

Amen, Father.

So there are still some decent Jesuits left after all.

📖The following scripture without a doubt proves that homosexuality is a sin: 🕊️“Let all who are spiritually mature agree on these things. If you disagree on some point, I believe God will make it plain to you.” Philippians‬ ‭3‬:‭15‬ 1. What did our Father say in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Genesis‬ ‭2‬:‭24‬ ‭ 2. Did Jesus reaffirm our Father’s view on marriage❓ 🕊️“Haven’t you read the Scriptures?” Jesus replied. “They record that from the beginning ‘God made them male and female.’” And he said, “‘This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Matthew‬ ‭19‬:‭4‬-‭5‬ 3. Did the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles reaffirm our Father’ & Jesus’ view on marriage❓ 🕊️“As the Scriptures say, “A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Ephesians‬ ‭5‬:‭31‬ 4. Is Jesus’ example of love separate from an individual’s sexual immorality❓ 🕊️“Live a life filled with love, following the example of Christ. He loved us and offered himself as a sacrifice for us, a pleasing aroma to God. Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God’s people.” Ephesians 5:2-3 5. Is sex considered a sin❓ 🕊️“Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body.” 1 Corinthians 6:18 6. Under what condition is sex allowed❓ 🕊️“But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband.” 1 Corinthians 7:2 Conclusion: Not only did our Father, Jesus and the Apostles clarify marriage between heterosexuals but further state that sexual immorality was only acceptable through heterosexual marriage. If sexual immorality is only acceptable between heterosexuals then by default, sex & marriage between homosexuals is not only sinful but contradicts our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles. Even though we know more now about sexual orientations, who will dare claim our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles knew less❓ 7. Are we all given the free will to accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live!” Deuteronomy‬ ‭30:19‬ 8. Will you accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Just say a simple, ‘Yes, I will,’ or ‘No, I won’t.’ Anything beyond this is from the evil one.” Matthew‬ ‭5:37‬

Nothing harmful with two people loving each other. Nothing to ‘call out’. Keep it to yourself 🤣

@@maxmaximus2608sexual activity ≠ love

Frustrating but not surprising. There have always been those who twist the Scripture to their own destruction (2 Peter 3:16).

📖The following scripture without a doubt proves that homosexuality is a sin: 🕊️“Let all who are spiritually mature agree on these things. If you disagree on some point, I believe God will make it plain to you.” Philippians‬ ‭3‬:‭15‬ 1. What did our Father say in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Genesis‬ ‭2‬:‭24‬ ‭ 2. Did Jesus reaffirm our Father’s view on marriage❓ 🕊️“Haven’t you read the Scriptures?” Jesus replied. “They record that from the beginning ‘God made them male and female.’” And he said, “‘This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Matthew‬ ‭19‬:‭4‬-‭5‬ 3. Did the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles reaffirm our Father’ & Jesus’ view on marriage❓ 🕊️“As the Scriptures say, “A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Ephesians‬ ‭5‬:‭31‬ 4. Is Jesus’ example of love separate from an individual’s sexual immorality❓ 🕊️“Live a life filled with love, following the example of Christ. He loved us and offered himself as a sacrifice for us, a pleasing aroma to God. Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God’s people.” Ephesians 5:2-3 5. Is sex considered a sin❓ 🕊️“Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body.” 1 Corinthians 6:18 6. Under what condition is sex allowed❓ 🕊️“But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband.” 1 Corinthians 7:2 Conclusion: Not only did our Father, Jesus and the Apostles clarify marriage between heterosexuals but further state that sexual immorality was only acceptable through heterosexual marriage. If sexual immorality is only acceptable between heterosexuals then by default, sex & marriage between homosexuals is not only sinful but contradicts our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles. Even though we know more now about sexual orientations, who will dare claim our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles knew less❓ 7. Are we all given the free will to accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live!” Deuteronomy‬ ‭30:19‬ 8. Will you accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Just say a simple, ‘Yes, I will,’ or ‘No, I won’t.’ Anything beyond this is from the evil one.” Matthew‬ ‭5:37‬

@robertstephenson6806no the USA as founded by Catholics look at your history better

​​@robertstephenson6806 Only what's universally immoral should be legislated against, I agree there. However, God's morals are by definition universal. A "secular" government must by necessity look Christian, or it's objectively wrong. Separation of Church and State thus must be about separation between clergy and laity. This is just how it is.

​@robertstephenson6806 so it isn't illegal, but it's still a sin? So what's your point?

I have a habit of blaming Protestantism for every single thing wrong with Christianity, but I think its culpability in the case of sexuality is OBVIOUS. Whoever thinks sex, as commonly understood, is a beautiful gift to be enjoyed between a married man and his wife has SORELY misunderstood Catholic teaching. If you're doing anything in the bedroom that could be considered "fun" then you probably need to go to Confession. Unless the angels and saints, the Blessed Virgin and YOUR VERY OWN MOTHER could watch what transpires in your marital bed in complete joyful approval, then YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG. Nowhere, ever, were we given marriage as an acceptable outlet for lust or pride or sloth or gluttony or greed or envy (or even wrath for the S & M weirdos). As a society, we no longer see marriage as an inferior spiritual state. I even heard one young lady ask a priest how he handles being deprived of the ability to express love! In other words, our culture has become so perverted that we equate sex with love. And because we've made an idol out of sex, we unfairly scapegoat gays and force them to shoulder the guilt of all of our disordered sexuality. My goodness, shame on us! Lust between two humans is equally disgusting, whether it's man and wife or boyfriend and boyfriend. And it's so easy to see where Protestantism followed Martin Luther's lead on this...look at their pastors, scarfing down their big lush meals, bought with their six figure salaries, and carrying on their flesh-fest to the bedroom, knocking up their baby-factory wives, and writing sermons about it (and if you think I'm being melodramatic here, Luther was not shy writing about his "private" life with Katie von Bora, former nun)

​​@@wayned803Chief, you wrote a very weird comment. And why are you so focused on someone's mother, people have fathers as well you know. Regardless, why would you want any of the Saints or your own Father and Mother to watch you engage in sexual intercourse with your spouse? You are being really weird.

@@CatholicismAppreciator on this day of SAINT AUGUSTINE of all people, we must keep in mind what a truly depraved act sex is, unless we just want to give "poetic lip service" to Original Sin

This issue is our unique obsession with homosexuality. There are many sins that we wouldn’t treat people as poorly for as we do homosexuality.

​@@IRepkonormalization and widespread acceptance of homosexual behaviour is simply a stepping stone to socially engineer people to accept pedophilia. The transgender and trans kids stuff is a logical consequence of making concessions on homosexuality/bisexuality. Normalized pederasty/pedophilia is a logical consequence of trans kids and children being able to "consent" to sexual relationships with adults. We have Weimar Republic problems all over again.

He didn't say that. You shouldn't slander.

@@JudeMalachi it is a slanderous characterization. But of course, you are biased against him due to this channel and so you have become numb to sin.

@@signumcrucis4172 Lol Fr. Martin adorns his church in Pride flags and promotes homosexuality to an almost obssessive degree but you claim this other guy is "numb to sin..." That's laughable. Martin is preaching heresy and worse, getting away with it. By they way, slander is spoken, libel is written.

​@@signumcrucis4172he may as well have. And you know it. He knows what his reputation is, and he doesn't care. So why do you care so much?

​@@signumcrucis4172if you think a channel as milk toast as Trent is what makes some biased, (I love you Trent!) Well, I don't have much faith in your ability to be charitable let's just say that.

Surprised Trent didn’t include it. Could’ve made this video much shorter lol

📖The following scripture without a doubt proves that homosexuality is a sin: 🕊️“Let all who are spiritually mature agree on these things. If you disagree on some point, I believe God will make it plain to you.” Philippians‬ ‭3‬:‭15‬ 1. What did our Father say in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Genesis‬ ‭2‬:‭24‬ ‭ 2. Did Jesus reaffirm our Father’s view on marriage❓ 🕊️“Haven’t you read the Scriptures?” Jesus replied. “They record that from the beginning ‘God made them male and female.’” And he said, “‘This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Matthew‬ ‭19‬:‭4‬-‭5‬ 3. Did the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles reaffirm our Father’ & Jesus’ view on marriage❓ 🕊️“As the Scriptures say, “A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Ephesians‬ ‭5‬:‭31‬ 4. Is Jesus’ example of love separate from an individual’s sexual immorality❓ 🕊️“Live a life filled with love, following the example of Christ. He loved us and offered himself as a sacrifice for us, a pleasing aroma to God. Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God’s people.” Ephesians 5:2-3 5. Is sex considered a sin❓ 🕊️“Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body.” 1 Corinthians 6:18 6. Under what condition is sex allowed❓ 🕊️“But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband.” 1 Corinthians 7:2 Conclusion: Not only did our Father, Jesus and the Apostles clarify marriage between heterosexuals but further state that sexual immorality was only acceptable through heterosexual marriage. If sexual immorality is only acceptable between heterosexuals then by default, sex & marriage between homosexuals is not only sinful but contradicts our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles. Even though we know more now about sexual orientations, who will dare claim our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles knew less❓ 7. Are we all given the free will to accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live!” Deuteronomy‬ ‭30:19‬ 8. Will you accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Just say a simple, ‘Yes, I will,’ or ‘No, I won’t.’ Anything beyond this is from the evil one.” Matthew‬ ‭5:37‬

@@Antonio.R.O.C. is homosexuality the same thing as sodomy? Are you saying only heterosexuals can be in the Church?

​​​​@@signumcrucis4172If you are celibate you aren't homosexual. Maybe I'm just being pedantic, but in Catholicism it's not possible to identify with a sin. E.g: If I like to eat it's fine, I won't be a glutton until I actually go and overeat. Similarly, I can't be an alcoholic if I never drank alcohol, even if my genes would somehow guarantee I would be if I drank. If we were our inclinations then we're doomed. I'd be a murderer, fornicator, verbal abuser, glutton, etc. just because of having an intrusive thought for these at least once. But all praise to God, who didn't make it so. Edit: Example failed. I was an actual fornicator before my conversion. God have mercy. But let's use my misshap for expanding this. I said I "was" a fornicator, meaning I left it behind. A homosexual/sodomite could likewise stop being homosexual. On another note, please pray for me.

@@signumcrucis4172the homosexual act along with other kinds of sexual immorality is included in the term ‘sodomy’, yes.

📖The following scripture without a doubt proves that homosexuality is a sin: 🕊️“Let all who are spiritually mature agree on these things. If you disagree on some point, I believe God will make it plain to you.” Philippians‬ ‭3‬:‭15‬ 1. What did our Father say in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Genesis‬ ‭2‬:‭24‬ ‭ 2. Did Jesus reaffirm our Father’s view on marriage❓ 🕊️“Haven’t you read the Scriptures?” Jesus replied. “They record that from the beginning ‘God made them male and female.’” And he said, “‘This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Matthew‬ ‭19‬:‭4‬-‭5‬ 3. Did the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles reaffirm our Father’ & Jesus’ view on marriage❓ 🕊️“As the Scriptures say, “A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Ephesians‬ ‭5‬:‭31‬ 4. Is Jesus’ example of love separate from an individual’s sexual immorality❓ 🕊️“Live a life filled with love, following the example of Christ. He loved us and offered himself as a sacrifice for us, a pleasing aroma to God. Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God’s people.” Ephesians 5:2-3 5. Is sex considered a sin❓ 🕊️“Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body.” 1 Corinthians 6:18 6. Under what condition is sex allowed❓ 🕊️“But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband.” 1 Corinthians 7:2 Conclusion: Not only did our Father, Jesus and the Apostles clarify marriage between heterosexuals but further state that sexual immorality was only acceptable through heterosexual marriage. If sexual immorality is only acceptable between heterosexuals then by default, sex & marriage between homosexuals is not only sinful but contradicts our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles. Even though we know more now about sexual orientations, who will dare claim our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles knew less❓ 7. Are we all given the free will to accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live!” Deuteronomy‬ ‭30:19‬ 8. Will you accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Just say a simple, ‘Yes, I will,’ or ‘No, I won’t.’ Anything beyond this is from the evil one.” Matthew‬ ‭5:37‬

Careful though, is homosexuality synonymous with sodomy? If so, can only heterosexuals be in the Church?

Does it?

Jesus did spoke on the Old testament when he destroyed Sodom and Gomora.

@@Ekim1740 I don't think there's anywhere in the Bible that says Sodom and Gomorrah's sin was homosexuality.

That’s a question for his superiors. Anything from us would be mere speculation. -Kyle

Possible because he is a fellow jesuit & buddy of Francis?

​@@femaleKCRoyalsFanExactly. Francis teaches that sodomy is fine with him by appointing sodomy condoning Bishops and having homosexual sex as moral a part of his "Synodal" way.

​@@TheCounselofTrentMartin's "superiors" are Jesuits. They agree with him. The Bishop in Martin's diocese should laicize him. But no. Only faithful orthodox priests are cancelled in today's ape of the Church.

@@carolynkimberly4021That’s false slander against Pope Francis. He has multiple times taught that it is sin. Go to confession for calumny.

Amen

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I recall that same discussion from Bible in a Year and it was indeed helpful! That podcast was terrific in it's ability to comment on tough scripture passages shortly after they were read.

📖The following scripture without a doubt proves that homosexuality is a sin: 🕊️“Let all who are spiritually mature agree on these things. If you disagree on some point, I believe God will make it plain to you.” Philippians‬ ‭3‬:‭15‬ 1. What did our Father say in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Genesis‬ ‭2‬:‭24‬ ‭ 2. Did Jesus reaffirm our Father’s view on marriage❓ 🕊️“Haven’t you read the Scriptures?” Jesus replied. “They record that from the beginning ‘God made them male and female.’” And he said, “‘This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Matthew‬ ‭19‬:‭4‬-‭5‬ 3. Did the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles reaffirm our Father’ & Jesus’ view on marriage❓ 🕊️“As the Scriptures say, “A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Ephesians‬ ‭5‬:‭31‬ 4. Is Jesus’ example of love separate from an individual’s sexual immorality❓ 🕊️“Live a life filled with love, following the example of Christ. He loved us and offered himself as a sacrifice for us, a pleasing aroma to God. Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God’s people.” Ephesians 5:2-3 5. Is sex considered a sin❓ 🕊️“Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body.” 1 Corinthians 6:18 6. Under what condition is sex allowed❓ 🕊️“But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband.” 1 Corinthians 7:2 Conclusion: Not only did our Father, Jesus and the Apostles clarify marriage between heterosexuals but further state that sexual immorality was only acceptable through heterosexual marriage. If sexual immorality is only acceptable between heterosexuals then by default, sex & marriage between homosexuals is not only sinful but contradicts our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles. Even though we know more now about sexual orientations, who will dare claim our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles knew less❓ 7. Are we all given the free will to accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live!” Deuteronomy‬ ‭30:19‬ 8. Will you accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Just say a simple, ‘Yes, I will,’ or ‘No, I won’t.’ Anything beyond this is from the evil one.” Matthew‬ ‭5:37‬

Just to be clear the Mosaic Law represents the ceremonies and unjust laws of savage men, who's ideas were in conflict with known facts. Not a word of it comes from God.

And then the holy father says that civil unions for gays ought to exist.

@@kwazooplayingguardsman5615​​⁠ That’s just slander. The Holy Father said on an interview it is understandable, as far as legal protection goes, that civil normative guidelines deal with them. Yet the same Holy Father says in all MAGISTERIAL documents, even the ones those mentally disturbed “RadTrads” on Anglophone Internet hate the most - like _Amoris Laetitia,_ for example - they don’t have an intrinsic moral value whatsoever (‘au contrarie’, they are NEVER to be even compared to God’s designed sacrament of holy matrimony). Pope Francis own Apostolic Exortation “Amoris Laetitia” (2016): _”250. The Church makes her own the attitude of the Lord Jesus, who offers his bound- less love to each person without exception [275]. During the Synod, _*_we discussed the situation of families whose members include persons who experience same-sex attraction, a situation not easy either for parents or for children. We would like before all else to reaffirm that every person, regardless of sexual orientation, ought to be respected in his or her dignity and treated with consideration, while ‘every sign of unjust discrimination’ is to be carefully avoided_*_ [276], particularly any form of aggression and violence. _*_Such families should be given respectful pastoral guidance, so that those who manifest a homosexual orientation can receive the assistance they need to understand and fully carry out God’s will_*_ in their lives [277]”_ . _”251. In discussing the dignity and mission of the family, the Synod Fathers _*_observed that, “as for proposals to place unions between homosexual persons on the same level as marriage, there are ABSOLUTELY NO GROUNDS for considering H*O*M*O*S*E*X*U*A*L_*_ UNIONS to be in _*_ANY WAY similar or EVEN REMOTELY ANALOGOUS to God’s plan for marriage and family”. It is UNACCEPTABLE “that local Churches should be subjected to pressure in this matter and that international bodies should make financial aid to poor countries dependent on the introduction of laws to establish ‘marriage’ between persons of the same sex”_* [278]”. _______ [275] Cf. Bull Misericordiae Vultus, 12: AAS 107 (2015), 407. [276] Catechism of the Catholic Church, 2358; cf. Relatio Finalis 2015, 76. [277] Ibid. 190 [278] Relatio Finalis 2015, 76; cf. conGreGaTion for The doctrine of the faith, Considerations Regarding Proposals to Give Legal Recognition to Unions between H*om*o*s*ex*u*al Persons (3 June 2003), 4. “And you will know truth, and truth will set you free” (John 8, 32). From a truly conservative and truly traditionalist Brazilian 🇧🇷 friend. God bless!

​​​@@kwazooplayingguardsman5615 What are civil unions? Are they equal to the Holy Sacrament of Marriage? And again, instead of acknowledging a good thing he said you attack by mentioning a possible mistake he's done. Stop being tribal, Catholics must be prudent (rational and unbiased) in their judgments.

Civil unions are just an abominable simulacra of marriage, it is still a perversion of the correct and ordered union, do we think rape is the same as sex?

@@djo-dji6018 They still give approval to sodomy.

Nothing new under the sun, it's all about power. I decide that your beliefs are hateful and dangerous, and that allows me to censor you. Have you read A Critique of Pure Tolerance by Herbert Marcuse published in 1965? That's the definitive leftist manifesto for censorship.

The accusation of hate is just an ad hominem since they can't refute actual arguments against their position. They have to attack their character instead.

It the justifying coming to church in their twisted sexuality and staying in their sin instead of repenting as God said. You change for God God doesn’t change for you.

Remember that we don't hate them; we want them to come to Christ and be cleansed of their sin! We want them to become good husbands to women/wives to men and good fathers/mothers to their own children- this is love!

It is not only ‘some moral objections’. The underlying objective is to deny minorities basic human rights which is wrapped into some twisted notion of Christian ‘love’. I also fail to understand what is actual immoral as I consider the sexual act between consenting adults as amoral. I don’t see any ‘moral’ dimension here.

If you have any interest in listening to someone with a different viewpoint, I'd suggest the KZfaq video _The Bible's Absurd Passages about Periods._

That being said I don’t think homosexuality is the be-all end-all of sins. People who overly fixate on homosexuality as something sinful in my experience do so in bad faith. It’s good to stand on solid ground against the cultural shift that is happening to avoid blurring the lines between good and evil, but we also must be careful not to be overly reactionary and end up mistreating other people as a result. We shouldn’t judge each other for sinning but help each other to get out of sin with tact and empathy.

@@covonedigrano7491 Sins that cry out to heaven for vengeance include sodomy

@@femaleKCRoyalsFan ok but what does Jesus teach us with most of his parables regarding sin? Look at the prodigal son or the lost sheep or the workers in the vineyard. Instead of casting judgment on other people which we should never do, we should *help* other people be reconciled with God and be glad if they do. I see a lot of people instead cast judgment on others and use that as an excuse to congratulate (even implicitly) themselves. If I say "gay people are terrible sinners" implicitly by not being gay in my mind I'm not a sinner anymore, or my sins can be excused because there are "worse" sins out there. That's not the point of Christianity, we are *all* children of God and if we see a brother or sister fall into sin we should help them, not judge them. And we shouldn't congratulate ourselves for our "righteousness" while judging those who we deem unrighteous, see Luke 18:10-14 the man justified before God isn't the one congratulating and exhalting himself for his good deeds but the one who humbles himself.

​@@covonedigrano7491I agree, as sinners ourselves, we must seek forgiveness and pray for others to seek Jesus. Love in the bare sense is to care for another without force. We have to inform them the sins of homosexuality or really anything LGBT+ and pray they seek the light, the ball would be on their court to accept God's Love (Caritas Dei) or not. The sad reality is many don't even want to hear religious beliefs, so they must be informed in other ways, like science or they must ask themselves why things are made in the way they are.

We should wish no person out of Christ's church. We should wish each person to live in truth and love in Christ.

I do not wish him to be out of the church. But if he doesn't agree with the precepts of the church, why does he call himself a member? If he doesn't agree with them, then leave the church, go to another one and create your own. Why is that hard to understand?

Aquinas talks about this in the Summa under Question 99: The Precepts of the Old Law

St. Paul's letter to the Galatians.

Yeah Agreed He seems to think the Verses are taken out of Context but We all know it ain't Friend peace 🙏👋

Truths donate Books CDs HOME updates search contact St. Pius V Demands Rigorous Punishment of Homosexual Clergy With homosexuality entering center stage in the discussions of the Synod presently going on at the Vatican, we bring to our readers some thoughts of St. Pius V on this matter in his Constitution Cum primum of April 1, 1566. In this Constitution the Inquisitor St. Pius V calls the vice against nature one of the offenses that are most repugnant to God and raise His wrath. He warns judges against negligence in punishing these crimes and solemnly established that clerics should be given over to the secular arm for the punishment of death. Pope St. Pius V “Having determined to do away with everything that may in some way offend the Divine Majesty, we resolve to punish, above all and without indulgence, those things which, by the authority of the Sacred Scriptures or by most grievous examples, are more repugnant to God than any others and raise His wrath: that is, negligence in divine worship, ruinous simony, the crime of blasphemy, and the execrable libidinous vice against nature. For such faults peoples and nations are scourged by God Who, according to His just condemnation, sends catastrophes, wars, famine, and pestilence ... “Let the judges know that if, even after this our Constitution, they are negligent in punishing these crimes, they will not only be guilty of them in the divine judgment but also will incur our indignation ... If someone commits that nefarious crime against nature that caused divine wrath to be unleashed against the children of iniquity, he will be given over to the secular arm for punishment [of death]; and if he is a cleric, he will be subject to the same punishment after having been stripped of all his degrees [of ecclesiastical dignity].” St. Pius V, Constitution Cum primum, April 1, 1566, in Bullarium Romanum (Rome: Typographia Reverendae Camerae Apostolicae, Mainardi, 1738), vol. 4, chap. 2, p. 284, apud Atila S. Guimaraes, Vatican II, Homosexuality and Pedophilia, TIA, 2004, pp. 19-20 Share

@@HisCoconutGun oh let me tell you all about the Episcopal Fellowship for Renewal and Operation Reconquista

I think that we should realize that the Torah or Old Testament does not make the distinction between moral, civil and ceremonial laws, This is a distinction made by Christian interpreters since late patristic times. I once asked a rabbi about this and his answer was all of the Torah is equally binding. By the way the Jews also believe that only Jews and not Gentiles are bound by the laws of the Pentateuch. Gentiles are to follow the 7 Laws of Noah. As for the Mosaic Law I think a statement by the biblical scholar Theophile Meek is pertinent: The Hebrew Torah is not one consistent whole, the creation of a single legislator, Moses, or anyone else. Law comes into existence slowly to meet the changing needs of the times and this is evident in the Torah. Scholars recognize several codes , such as the Deuteronomic, the Holiness and the Priestly codes. The usage of stoning people to death would be regarded by most people as barbaric, outdated and unjust. All you have to do is look at the hideous cruelty involved is to watch these punishments meted out by Al Qaeda, the Taliban and Isis. Are we to advocate the punishments of Deuteronomy 13 for unbelief, Leviticus 25 for slavery, the death penalty for witchcraft, necromancy, sabbath violation, juvenile delinquency, adultery, idolatry, homosexuality? To ask the question is to answer the question these are laws of an ancient, semi-nomadic tribe and are inapplicable to any modern democracy. Another thing to note all of us treasure our natural and human rights to life, liberty, and property and the concept of rights was unknown to the biblical writers. They only recognized rules to be followed. Christian moral ideas may transcend sociological and scientific fact, but they are not independent of such data, and moral ideas may well have to be modified to bring them into relation with new discoveries. The development of the social sciences on mainly secular lines does not invalidate their usefulness for the Christian ethicist and theologian. When the Christian attitude to homosexuality was formed no accurate information was availableas to its extent and virtually nothing was known of its causes.

Also a quotation from Sigmund Freud in his letter to an American mother in 1935 is pertinent: Homosexuality is assuredly no advantage, but it is nothing to be ashamed of, no vice, no degredation. It cannot be classified as a mental illness; we consider it to be a variation of the sexual impulse, produced by a certain arrest of sexual development. . . It is a great injustice to persecute homosexuality as a crime and cruelty too. A view is often advanced that homosexuality is depavity.This is used as a vehicle of abuse but has little scientific meaning. It has been suggested that the ancient Romans became degenerate and lost world dominance through perverted sex or alternatively that homosexuality was a symptom of their degeneration but it is now believed that Rome's decline was due to political, economic and public health causes.

Usury is actually forbidden in historic Christianity. The Church has let that slide for entirely too long.

Then why did Jesus become angry at the Pharisee for asking him to wash his hands prior to eating?

That’s an incredibly materialist view of Christianity.

Ecclesiastes 1:10 (lol but not really)

Crassus is using a pretty crude (by 1960’s standards) sexual innuendo. Trent’s use of the term “shellfish objection” is a reference to the ancient Jewish dietary law. Not really the same thing.

Stand fast in prayer and knowing that God would never give you any trouble he didn't think you could bare.

Hope you prevail over your temptation. I will pray for you brother.

Keep Fighting Friend don't Give up The Lord will give You Strength keep up the Faith 🙏

📖The following scripture without a doubt proves that homosexuality is a sin: 🕊️“Let all who are spiritually mature agree on these things. If you disagree on some point, I believe God will make it plain to you.” Philippians‬ ‭3‬:‭15‬ 1. What did our Father say in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Genesis‬ ‭2‬:‭24‬ ‭ 2. Did Jesus reaffirm our Father’s view on marriage❓ 🕊️“Haven’t you read the Scriptures?” Jesus replied. “They record that from the beginning ‘God made them male and female.’” And he said, “‘This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Matthew‬ ‭19‬:‭4‬-‭5‬ 3. Did the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles reaffirm our Father’ & Jesus’ view on marriage❓ 🕊️“As the Scriptures say, “A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Ephesians‬ ‭5‬:‭31‬ 4. Is Jesus’ example of love separate from an individual’s sexual immorality❓ 🕊️“Live a life filled with love, following the example of Christ. He loved us and offered himself as a sacrifice for us, a pleasing aroma to God. Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God’s people.” Ephesians 5:2-3 5. Is sex considered a sin❓ 🕊️“Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body.” 1 Corinthians 6:18 6. Under what condition is sex allowed❓ 🕊️“But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband.” 1 Corinthians 7:2 Conclusion: Not only did our Father, Jesus and the Apostles clarify marriage between heterosexuals but further state that sexual immorality was only acceptable through heterosexual marriage. If sexual immorality is only acceptable between heterosexuals then by default, sex & marriage between homosexuals is not only sinful but contradicts our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles. Even though we know more now about sexual orientations, who will dare claim our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles knew less❓ 7. Are we all given the free will to accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live!” Deuteronomy‬ ‭30:19‬ 8. Will you accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Just say a simple, ‘Yes, I will,’ or ‘No, I won’t.’ Anything beyond this is from the evil one.” Matthew‬ ‭5:37‬

Youll be ok, I struggle with something similar as well

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The Bishops chosen by Francis are mostly homosexuals themselves.

Most people in today's society would say that sin is merely the theological interpretations of certain ancient tribal taboos,

@@josephdalelio6684 One of the Bible’s main themes in both Testaments is to not make world beliefs our own.

tHEN WOULD YOU REJECT THE BELIEF THAT THE BRAIN IS THE ORGAN OF THOUGHT RATHER THAN THE HEART

@@josephdalelio6684 That's deep. The first word should be capitalized and then the rest are lowercase. Your limb and its manipulators failed you for the first time, for the last time. Something deeper is this: Is "belief", faith, from the heart or the brain? Now that question is more relevant to the discussion. What were we talking about again?

Beliefs are concepts that come from deep emotional convictions as well as conceptual constructs they embrace our thoughts and deep held beliefs. the use of the word heart is metaphorical it does not produce either thoughts, concepts or beliefs these are biological processes of the brain. My point is that numerous beliefs that were once advanced by Christian churches have been superceded or replaced by advances in social thought. you failed to grasp that. Most advances in Western civilization have been opposed and attacked by religious fanatics -to name a few -the emancipation and civil rights for women, democracy versus divine right of kings, an elaboration of civil and human rights for mankind, the teaching of the natural origins of life, the use of innoculations and pain killers for the treatment of diseases, the attribution of mental illness to natural causes rather than demonic possession, freedom of religion , the elimination of horrendous and barbaric punishments in the criminal codes of the western world and finally the abolition of the practice of slavery which was defended as both biblical and divine in origin. Res ipsa loquitur!

It is a little silly when people think they've uncovered some knock out argument from the bible as if we haven't been reading it for 2000 years.

America needs qualified people to publicly debate the issue _Is the Bible God's Word_ There are a lot of argument's it is not God's word and is simply the mistaken ideas of ancient savage men.

The catechism states that being homosexual is not intrinsically sinful as we do not choose our sexual orientation

Actually, Latin was once extremely common in the academic world. I think that Latin was chosen as the language of the Church because of its widespread use among scholars at the time, not to set Catholics apart from non-believers.

@@bethanyjohnson8001 I did not say that was *why* Latin was chosen as the ecclesiastical language. I said the use of Latin, as the ecclesiastical language, *served the same purpose* as Israel's dietary laws. *Latin united Catholics and set them apart from non-Catholics,* for religious functions.

I’m certain a pharisee somewhere has written a 1000 word polemic on what counts as a field 😆

Similarly to the laws on rotating crops and letting fields rest, this has an agronomic benefit to it.

iN ADDITION THE COMMANDS FOR THE DEATH PENALTIES WERE HEDGED IN BY THE NECESSITY OF 2 OR 3 EYE WITNESSES WHICH EFFECTIVELY PROHIBITED THEIR USES IN ADDITION RABBINIC COMMENTARIES ON THE TORAH PRACTICALLY MADE IT IMPOSSIBLE TO EVER USE CAPITAL PUNISHMENT, PLUS WE HAVE NO RECORDED USE OF THE DEATH PENALTY FOR HOMOSEXUALITY IN ANCIENT ISRAEL OR JUDAH..

Are you assuming he is a sodomite? Do you know for a fact or are you slandering a priest?

As far as I know Aquinas was the first to formalize the threefold distinction but it doesn't make sense that it would have been formulated to specifically target homosexuals because that was not a major theological debate in the Middle Ages and they wouldn't need to resort to such a roundabout tactic to condemn such a thing in Medieval society. Aquinas himself does not even reference the OT moral law when he does condemn it.

📖The following scripture without a doubt proves that homosexuality is a sin: 🕊️“Let all who are spiritually mature agree on these things. If you disagree on some point, I believe God will make it plain to you.” Philippians‬ ‭3‬:‭15‬ 1. What did our Father say in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Genesis‬ ‭2‬:‭24‬ ‭ 2. Did Jesus reaffirm our Father’s view on marriage❓ 🕊️“Haven’t you read the Scriptures?” Jesus replied. “They record that from the beginning ‘God made them male and female.’” And he said, “‘This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Matthew‬ ‭19‬:‭4‬-‭5‬ 3. Did the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles reaffirm our Father’ & Jesus’ view on marriage❓ 🕊️“As the Scriptures say, “A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.” Ephesians‬ ‭5‬:‭31‬ 4. Is Jesus’ example of love separate from an individual’s sexual immorality❓ 🕊️“Live a life filled with love, following the example of Christ. He loved us and offered himself as a sacrifice for us, a pleasing aroma to God. Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God’s people.” Ephesians 5:2-3 5. Is sex considered a sin❓ 🕊️“Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body.” 1 Corinthians 6:18 6. Under what condition is sex allowed❓ 🕊️“But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband.” 1 Corinthians 7:2 Conclusion: Not only did our Father, Jesus and the Apostles clarify marriage between heterosexuals but further state that sexual immorality was only acceptable through heterosexual marriage. If sexual immorality is only acceptable between heterosexuals then by default, sex & marriage between homosexuals is not only sinful but contradicts our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles. Even though we know more now about sexual orientations, who will dare claim our Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit who spoke through the Apostles knew less❓ 7. Are we all given the free will to accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live!” Deuteronomy‬ ‭30:19‬ 8. Will you accept our Father’s truth in reference to marriage❓ 🕊️“Just say a simple, ‘Yes, I will,’ or ‘No, I won’t.’ Anything beyond this is from the evil one.” Matthew‬ ‭5:37‬

No, it doesn't mean that Christians should be advocating the death penalty; or at least, it depends on which framework you're using. One such framework that gets around that is the belief that Christians themselves aren't taught to enforce Judicial laws. Christians, in general, are citizens, thus, they've no say in legal matters. As citizens, what's the Biblical framework for treating other people? Loving and praying for them, even enemies. You can't do that while simultaneously trying to chant their deaths. Thus, in this framework, Christians aren't supposed to be advocating for the death penalty. Another framework that doesn't imply they should be advocating for it (If they live in some general country) is the belief that the death penalty in the OT law *only* applies to ancient Israel, as to get to the death penalty, it has to be under accordance with their legal system, i.e. judges and elders and the overall procedure with them. This video explains this framework pretty well: The Sabbath and the Death Penalty by David Wilber. Both frameworks are entirely consistent with what Trent is saying in this video. (You may not find those frameworks to be sound, which is fair, but all that's needed is having a logically valid framework that one can use that doesn't have that implication).

@@DragonKing101 okay let's use a new testament example then, and one which isn't legal, but interpersonal. jesus says "What god has joined, let no man seperate" which is very clear. divorce is forbidden. Christians divorce at essentially the same rate as Nonchriatians. Neither of your frameworks resolve this, its just flat out disobedience against Christ. jesus also says "If you love me, follow my commands" so seperating from your wife or husband, regardless of cause, basically makes you non christian as you have disobeyed him, which means you dont love him by his own words Either way, you certainly don't see Christians marching in the streets against Divorce. And even if we ignore legal divorce. Each christian in their own lives, countless of them still divorce and seperate. Which isnt a legal issue but an interpersonal choice they make themselves

@@ExtraVictory Sorry for not seeing this sooner. "jesus says "What god has joined, let no man seperate" which is very clear. divorce is forbidden. Christians divorce at essentially the same rate as Nonchriatians. Neither of your frameworks resolve this, its just flat out disobedience against Christ." Yes, neither of my frameworks resolves such an issue. That is because my framework doesn't attempt to answer it. My framework only is answering that you can work in certain models that do not imply Christians should be advocating for the death penalty on these people on Theological grounds, even *if* said Christians believe this law in the Law of Moses still applies to Christians. To summarize: My point is that there *are* frameworks you can work with that involve someone appealing to the law in certain places on what people aren't to do, even if said Christians don't believe they can legally enforce such a rule, but it doesn't follow from that that they should also be advocating for the punishment as well. Of course, these frameworks may be handwavy to you on someone saying that all the statements in each respective one are indeed true, which again, I think is fair. I'm just saying there are some valid (?) frameworks that some Christians work with that get around the implication. As for the rest, yeah, I agree that it is problematic behavior when a lot of these Christians do things while at the same time telling others not to do those same things.

Did he say sodomy is ok? It's unfair to judge him by a clip taken out of context. I haven't seen a single instance where he says sodomy is ok so its weird for Trent to use a clip without providing more information about it assuming he is saying that sodomy is ok.

Fr. Martin gets away with a lot because of what he doesn't say explicitly. For example, when he says he asks people if they follow other aspects of Mosaic law when they bring up OT teaching on homosexuality, he is clearly implying that he believes in the very least that the OT teaching on this could be wrong. He doesn't have to specifically state that he thinks sodomy is okay to be in the wrong about this. We are all called to be witnesses to the Faith (You shall not bear false witness). He is being a false witness by bringing up what Trent calls the Shellfish Argument.@@signumcrucis4172