How can it be myth and fact at the same time? Is Doug a false prophet?

I think a key to the answer to your question here is the definition of what is a myth. If you spend some time on that you can see that it can be both

Doug and Canon Press, can you answer what is your belief about creation and whether it’s literal or not in your belief?

I think I get what you are trying for, but... I don't think "mythical"is the proper word. Maybe, more like mystique? Maybe fantastic. A fantasy like reality that actually happened. Kinda like a third of the angles of Heaven coming to earth a severally messing things up. Or one from heaven wiping out 130,000(+?) people in a night. Or the ones mentioned, of course. On a side note: I harass people, pointing out their mistakes, and tell them the truth. I try to get them to agree with what is reality and honesty and truth, or at least acknowledge it. I do this because I give a shit. I actually care about people. I want their life to be better, easier, happier than mine. "Language, please..." And here's the punchline. The Bible says "...Love, compassion, long suffering, of such there is no Law." In what context is the word "shit" used in? Crap is another word used. To "give a shit" means to care intensely. It usually comes from the poor, but often comes from people who have seen some .... Ha, gotcha. That was a reference to the experience of great tragedy in life. What I'm trying to do is reveal a truth. This truth has a Lot to do with salvation, so it's important to teach. ... However, I'm no voice to be heard, like say, you Canon Press. I'm probably the worst at it, honestly. Sorry. But what can I do. I'm still learning, so give me some time. But the task still remains. Best I can do.

@@whtstr2133 dude that response.. I love it man!! You have a good way with words and I have a feeling God will use that.

Or ANY Christian ever. He knows that any minority qualified apologist would mop the floor with his poor arguments.

Joe is a linear thinker who needs endless "proof" - somehow he doesn't realize the spiritual nature of consciousness itself

Abiogenesis bis a myth!

I like Joe Rogan, but he’s the same guy that says there are aliens etc etc and no God 🙄

And it's not just that he says stupid things about the Bible, but that he says stupid things about the Bible with such confidence.

You like people that hate GOD 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

I have read and studied the Bible and the MANY different "doctrines" for decades. I was a 100% dedicated evangelist being groomed to be a Pastor. Reality is... The "God" of the Bible is a cruel, hypocritical, mass murdering, child butchering, slavery supporting, asshole. The 10 Commandments 1. Are not even translated correctly 2. Shallow double speak 3. The entire story of Moses getting the 10 is ridiculous. 4. There are 2 sets of the 10 CONmandments. The Bible is mostly plagiarized anyway and it is fiction. There are some good messages and wisdom sprinkled in but, it is a cafeteria line. Just pick what you want and feel good.

@Whitey look at "woke churches" before you start pointing the finger at non-believers. 🙄

I wish I had a pastor like this in my area!

Amen - but be kind to your pastors, they're not all Doug Wilson, and they don't have the support of Canon Press.

Douglas Wilson, the man who took on the late "great" Christopher Hitchens and came out smelling of roses. Well done Sir.

TLOLP,....This guy, (DW) just said the Bibles story of creation is a myth and you think he is a capable pastor? The fact is, he is an atheist.

@@joshuachaffin1858 ,...Im sure you do, this is because like him, you are an atheist.

No he's a Jew

LawlessNate ~ Amen to that.

Great breakdown

I see your point here and it’s a good one but if the interviewee is meaning what you say I would have to say he’s misguided in his word choice.

No. He says the Bible is absurd and impossible because it is, regardless of someone’s belief system.

Well well well, what is your level of understanding of the Bible, genius?

That much?

The Bible and doctrine of faith is so simple a toddler could understand it, Joe's understanding of faith is worse then a toddler's, what does God say about the this to demonstrate that? "But when Jesus saw it, he was indignant and said to them, “Let the children come to me; do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of God. Truly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child shall not enter it.” - Mark 10:14-15 "Then children were brought to him that he might lay his hands on them and pray. The disciples rebuked the people, but Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven.” And he laid his hands on them and went away." - Matthew 19:13-15

Joe Rogan is a High School freshman with a microphone.

I hear that thrown at everyone who disagrees with a religious person. The religious person claims to really 'get it' and the other person clearly doesn't. It's exhausting dealing with disingenuous religious people.

Bias isn't expertise and that is all religious people have when it comes to explaining their myth.

@@MrTheclevercat Bias, in itself, also doesn’t indicate errancy. Everyone is biased in some form.

@@nicholasjohnson1075 That isn't my point. You have bias and no expertise which does indicate that you're talking out your ass. Religious people are hyperconfused people with hyperconfidence.

Why would Joe waste his time with such nonsense?

@@RV3G4 If you say it’s nonsense so be it, but I’ve never heard Joe give an argument about the Bible that can’t be easily refuted.

There’s no evidence for any of it, so there is no “substance” to begin with.

@@Bibleguy89-uu3nr That's funny because I have never heard any arguments from the Bible that can't be refuted.

@@kennethking8091 Really? That’s interesting. Assuming that we both agree you’re using logic in this discussion, how do you ground logic apart from the existence of God?

Literally any one of them would do

@@standingvertical3048 while my at it what?

Voddie and Doug are my favorite but yeah any would do.

Jeff Durbin is probably the most likely out of all those to be invited on by Rogan, given his martial arts background.

@@superstraightbyzantophile726 He's also closer to Rogan's age. I think they would get along.

You like, simple. I’m just, like, simple.

Canon

Exactly

He's had Jordan Peterson on. Peterson isn't the best apologist, he's done apologetics here and there but even if he was the best, Peterson doesn't seem too motivated to change Joe's mind on Christianity and Joe seems too scared to challenge him or anyone actually competent on the topic (he threw in a "hmm" and "yes" every now and then with Peterson, to show that he's listening but is very careful to agree or disagree on anything). I know he's challenged Milo Yiannopoulos (yes, I searched up how to spell that), Ben Shapiro and Candace Owens but they did a horrible job at representing Christianity, though Ben didn't do as bad for Judaism (he still did pretty bad). Joe hasn't allowed anyone good at apologetics on his podcast, from my knowledge, and probably never will but has brought on so many atheist intellectuals like Dawkins, Harris and Tyson. When he did get too much attention from Christians, he complimented the teachings of Christ to try and dampen the fire. It just shows how little he actually cares about learning and coming to the truth, he's happy to sit in his own little echo chamber on this topic.

Maybe he doesn't want to promote someone's argument from ignorance, straw mans, etc on religion? We've heard it all before. Telling us to look at the trees in a different way isn't more convincing the millionth time you hear it. Telling us you don't believe in evolution or the big bang doesn't make us question them. Etc.

@@MrTheclevercat Funny how you mentioned straw man fallacy.

@@liamdealmeida9914 Super funny because you wanted to toss a "I know you are but what am I" at me? Okay kid.

@@MrTheclevercat No, it's funny because you accuse Christian apologists of often using the straw man fallacy when in no way did you disprove anything I said, did you include anything informative/educational or did you properly represent apologists in your comment (sounds like a straw man, unless you can provide multiple sources where renowned theists tell people to "look at trees in a different way"). If you actually knew anything about the atheism and theism discussion or weren't so keen on defending Rogan, you'd see that his arguments are at the level that you'd hear in an Xbox lobby. If Joe was just so against having "ignorant" Christian beliefs spread then he probably would have interrupted Peterson while he went on and on about how The Bible is the foundation of human communication/speech and the brilliance of The Bible but instead Joe sat quietly with his legs crossed and fingers entwined. Joe could've tried some of his social, argument tactics (which I will admit, Rogan is great at) and raw facts but knowing Jordan Peterson, I highly doubt his tactics would go far. If Joe really wants to expose Christianity, then he should just have an apologist worth his salt and an atheist worth his on his podcast so they can discuss it instead of having another atheist on where they just chalk Christianity up to being a belief that is for people that need to grow up and who just believe in fairytales.

I love durbin, but he won't even engage the genesis 6 stuff sons of God stuff, so, alot of reformed people don't know what to do with that I was surprised to hear Wilson's take on genesis 6

There aren’t examples of “his miraculous abilities”. That’s why logical people are “flummoxed”.

Anyone wanting to comment on my OP please just ignore the ignorant troll DM. Someone that imbecilic doesn’t deserve a direct response.

@@DM-dk7js Me: so you’re an atheist? Atheist: yes Me: why don’t you believe in God? Atheist: Because I don’t believe in fairy tales Me: So who created the universe? Atheist: it came from nothing Me : 🤣😂

@@jdominguez777 strange you chose to have a fictional conversation with yourself, about me, instead of just conversing with me.

@@jdominguez777 nor did you actually address what I said lol. Weird. You’re really good at this 😂

That’s assuming he actually wants to learn and not just have his biases confirmed.

Could you give me a quick synopsis of what Peterson said?

@Spencer Meyer don't podcast your pearls before swine so to speak.

@Spencer Meyer You'd be surprised to know Joe is open to all views and let's his guest speak freely but most importantly millions of listeners would hear the Gospel.

I would actually like to see that. Joe Rogan, for his faults, does have many different people on his show.

If its so evident why do people who ask for evidence get nothing from religious people? From the outside it looks painful to automatically believe the things you must believe to be a christian.

When it comes to religion and weed, Rogan is as closed-minded as they come.

The thing you have to ask yourself, if you're Rogan, is 'do I actually want to hear the gospel preached?'

Joe Rogan is ignorant because he wants to be ignorant. The end.

@@MichaelCorbanRose Interesting take.. I think you’ve confused close-minded for open-minded though! Doug has decided weed is bad and that he knows exactly which god is the only correct one. Joe experiments with weed and asks questions about a multiplicity of religions. Do you see how one is closed and the other open?

How could anybody not believe in a talking snake? How dumb are people?

⁠@@nofairytales5604tell us more about how you’re a talking ape that evolved from pond scum and fish.

Oh come on.

@@jasongallman2032 If you are honest, you know I'm telling the truth.

@@danielcristancho3738 Honesty is why I had to abandon any literal interpretation of genesis and eventually abandon faith in any of the abrahamic religions. They aren't true.

@@jasongallman2032 Abraham had only one religion and he only had one God, the God of the Bible. And why should it be so hard to believe God can create instantly and with a word? Is God like us? It's all over scripture. It's not just in the book of Genesis that we are told God is the Creator of this planet and that it was created with the power of His word. Christ Himself spoke of Adam and Eve, not as figments of imagination but as REAL PEOPLE. In fact, Luke goes so far as to put Adam as one of the descendants of Christ. Either Luke, inspired by the Holy Spirit, is telling the truth or the Holy Spirit inspires disrespect and misinformation in holy prophets. No sir, you've been lied to. The God of Genesis is real, what is described in Genesis is real and you ignore the bible at your own peril.

Exactly … smh

Very true, they can’t “see”

If the Holy Spirit was a real thing no one would have other religious beliefs or lack religious beliefs. It's part of christian mythology. That's all.

@@MrTheclevercat there was a point in my life where I probably would have agreed with you. I understand how you feel, but once God changes your heart and you experience it there is no denying Him. If we’ve all been deceived and life really did spring forth from nothing for no reason, then I will still consider my short existence in this meaningless world better for having built my life on the principles Jesus taught. I assure you Jesus is alive, but you will never know unless you genuinely seek Him.

The Power of Myth series on PBS that Campbell did, basically, grouped all ancient belief systems as a collection of crazy ideas found across the globe. His alternative worldview is mimicked by Mamet obviously.

I wouldn’t have been able to sit in class for those lessons.

Yea well I was told that genesis accou ts were written around 2000 bc and that other texts were written around 4000 to 3000 so how Genesis ripped off others

@@marchosch3876 yea, those are good points

This has been the academic liberal narrative for about the past century and a half now it's just a given in the mainstream though I don't think Doug's reaction is anything but typical conservative Bible thumper milktoast takes. Not that there's anything wrong with plain dull shorthand lay responses but a real rebuttal to matters such as this should be something along the lines of John Walton's scholarly works on these issues.

@@tylerrobinsonmusic genesis is a direct attack at those other religions. Each day (wether literal 24 hours or long period of time) is a direct attack at ancient Egyptian or Mesopotamian gods because Jews were carrying idols from other religions when coming out of Egypt.

How is it logically possibly that 7 billion people of different races and ethnicities come from literally two people that is impossible do you people really believe that story really?

Nah.

@@DM-dk7js 🤡

"Why record the generations of fairytale characters?" Ask tolkein, stan lee and rowling.

He actually said that he does earlier this week on the April 11 episode of hugh hewitts podcast, so much so that he lost his train of thought

@@LifeEternalAlways wow.

(Sits in corner with fresh 🍿 waiting for the grammar fascists to out themselves....) this'll be fun....

If you want bigger laughs, read the Bible.

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@@yep33whalesbebig60 I can honestly say that I have no clue what your comment means.

@@robertlewis6915 just saying the gitas awesome

People believe all sorts of crazy things

Doug is the kid

You can justify basically any view by invoking this father or that father. Eastern Orthodox dont much care for Augustine because they don't have a biblical anthropology. Even the mormons could use Origen. Youve got it backwards, the bible should be over your traditions. Theres absolutely no reason we should just assume the eastern orthodox has everything right. Just like how we don't assume the Roman church has everything right.

That is one aspect i eventually came to grips with in Christianity; every sect, denomination and church has its own interpretation of Scripture. What they call the "Word of God" is just that particular groupthink's view of some writing. To condemn others for being human and having a differing conclusion takes them from groupthink to cult.

Okay... prove your tradition is the correct Tradition™. Also, the church fathers weren't monolithic on very much at all. The only things are probably: The Trinity, Baptismal regeneration, Real Presence.

Why have faith in the first place? Why believe in something without evidence ?

@@albertfralinger2711 Why not?

@@albertfralinger2711 Jesus did exist. Now, to believe or not is entirely ones own prerogative.

No. It’s because there’s no evidence.

@@autisticphaglosophy7128 because that’s illogical.

Can you prove that claim?

@@Esico6 that he's wilfully blind?

@@TheSwordandPearl Ah i misread your post. My apology.

@@Esico6 o no don't worry. Perhaps I should rephrase it - thank you for pointing that out ⚘

It is a myth. a traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining some natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

Please show any evidence of the Bible in the real world

@@1sgr1999 The entirety of western culture is based upon the precepts presented in God's law and fulfilled through the life, death, and resurrection of Christ Jesus (translated from the Hebrew as the Anointed Son, Savior, and King - the YHWY Saves). But, Scripture is clear that those who do not believe in the Risen Son, see all of Scripture as foolishness regardless of any argument that anyone offers. And so I have no doubt that is the case with your, sir. But, the Gospel is clear: Romans 3:23 (ESV) 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God Romans 3:10-18 (ESV) 10 as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; 11 no one understands; no one seeks for God. 12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” 13 “Their throat is an open grave; they use their tongues to deceive.” Romans 6:23 (ESV) 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 5:8 (ESV) 8 but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 10:9 (ESV) 9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:13 (ESV) 13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” Romans 5:1 (ESV) 5 Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Romans 8:1 (ESV) 8 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. Romans 8:38-39 (ESV) 38 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord. So, there is the Gospel of Christ Jesus and if you actually read it and actually attached meaning to the words you just read, then it now falls to you as to whether you choose to follow Christ or choose to reject him. That's all there is. But, be forewarned, because Christ himself said, "For which of you, desiring to build a tower, does not first sit down and count the cost, whether he has enough to complete it?" Luke 14:28 (ESV) You must count the cost.

Hes confused or outright denying the word of God when it comes to genesis. Creation is definitely not a myth. I love researching apologetics so I fully understand why creation is literal and true.

@@torturetuesday5191 ,....Yes, he is denying the word of God by stating that the Bibles creation account is a myth. What he does not consider a myth is the God hating worlds 100% fake spinning cartoon ball earth and all the 100% antibiblical nonsense that goes with it. He has to deny the Bibles creation account because if he didnt he would be kicked out of the church for believing and holding to what the Bible states over what the Godless world states. The entire church is 100% on board with the Godless world and 100% against the truth of Gods word. The Bible clearly states that the earth God created is stationary and flat and that he created man and the whole world in six days. God hating mankind and their manmade religion of scientism says the opposite and this opposite version is what the entire church believes and holds to, absolutely not the Bibles version. This is why this man has said that the Bibles creation account is a myth, he has to, he is not a Christian, his real religion is the atheist religion of scientism that the entire church sells as Christianity. Christianity is not the religion of the church, it is scientism disguised as Christianity. Do not be deceived.

What guy? Doug Wilson? He said that the creation account is "mythical", in the sense that it reveals transcendental Truth, but he also accepted it as absolutely true. I think you misunderstood his views if you think Doug Wilson does not believe in the literal truth of the Genesis accounts. He absolutely does.

@@torturetuesday5191 I think you need to understand his definition of "myth". I assume you're referring to Doug Wilson.

@@argerm57 There's only one definition of the word myth. So It can't be 100% myth yet 100% true. Myth by definition is not true.

Why should the Bible be interpreted if it is the literal word of God? Everything in it should be true not interpreted by flawed men

@@1sgr1999 it is the word of God and is not flawed, but everything has to be interpreted-even a grocery list.

@@TomPlantagenet so when it says homosexuals should be put to death in Leviticus 20:13 and then it says thou shall not kill as one of the commandments how should I interprete that?

@@TomPlantagenet or How should I inteprete 2 people somehow populating whole the earth to 7+ billion people with different races and ethnicities in regions all around the globe despite traveling conquest and incest deformalities ?

@@1sgr1999 The commandment is to not murder the hebrew makes it clearer but the context itself indicates it since by the next page it instructs capital punishment so there's no contradiction. Your other objection has been adressed a thousandfold if you prefer a more nuanced take on the subject you should look up John Walton's analysys of Genesis he has a book and some yt lectures here on yt.

RD,....You are blessing a man what just stated that the creation account and other things in the Bible are myths? This man is an atheist.