The big block 427 Corvette Stingray

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4 жыл бұрын

In 1966 Chevy came out with their signature 427 engine, which became an
American muscle icon.
In this video we will go over some of the history of this car, then take
it for a drive to experience the power of a big block Chevy icon for
ourselves.
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@user-ql1pc7pi9x
@user-ql1pc7pi9x 8 ай бұрын
One of the most beautiful looking cars ever made.
@christopherduby5330
@christopherduby5330 3 жыл бұрын
I have the 454 sitting outside . My heart melts with happiness when I hear her fire
@drewd6144
@drewd6144 3 жыл бұрын
You are of the anointed ones! I cover my eyes from your blessed aura! Lucky dog!
@georgefulton2717
@georgefulton2717 3 жыл бұрын
I own a “Triple Black” 66 427 Sting Ray with original side exhausts. 73000 miles on it. Love the car. Used to live in Huntington Beach but now in Colorado. Was able to take it out yesterday with a sunny 60 degree day. Do miss driving down PCH in it.
@zeppafloyd
@zeppafloyd 4 жыл бұрын
One of these passed me on the highway yesterday. It sounded fantastic.
@mottopanukeiku7406
@mottopanukeiku7406 3 жыл бұрын
Kudos to the hostess- nice job on the commentary and presentation. Great to see a down to earth, knowledgeable, and well spoken non-super model. Clearly loves cars.
@FerrarisOnline
@FerrarisOnline 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@johnthonig8832
@johnthonig8832 Жыл бұрын
@@FerrarisOnline I see you deleted your comment about Stingray- one word. ☮️😄
@brettvollmar1527
@brettvollmar1527 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for talking a bit about American muscle. In 1970 I bought a 1969 Z28 Daytona Yellow with black stripes and black interior. loved that car, wish I still had it. talked father into buying it for me because the article I read about the car said, its the closest thing Chevy will ever make that is almost a Ferrari! what a car. I always said if I live through this, I will get to be an old man. I have now made it to 65. got it when I was 16. Lots of stories.
@HighSockDavid
@HighSockDavid 3 жыл бұрын
Wow 69 camaro first owner as a teen that is a story to tell I got a 79 ta when I was 15 about two years back but that’s nothing compared to that car
@vulgarhyena9616
@vulgarhyena9616 4 жыл бұрын
Nice corvette!! Such a beautiful example of a classic! These old big block DOMINATED the streets back in the day!
@theninethrees8044
@theninethrees8044 3 жыл бұрын
I’m a hardcore JDM guy, but I dream of owning one of these old legendary Chevy’s one day. 64’ Impala SS, 70’ El Camino SS, C2 or C3. True American Muscle. Keep it up 👍🏽
@sergeantmasson3669
@sergeantmasson3669 2 жыл бұрын
A former Florida friend had a silver one. He sold it through Hemmings Motor News to a collector in PA. The PA collector flew down to FL to check the authenticity of the car. He bought the car and arranged for it being shipped to PA. While waiting for the shipping company, my former friend removed the original 427 engine and re-stamped a 402 engine from a '71 wagon with the 427's numbers. The 402 looked close to being right but of course it wasn't. My former friend moved from FL to NC soon after the Corvette was shipped to PA. Two years later, he was arrested for interstate fraud, convicted, and sent to prison for several years.
@DG-sf9ei
@DG-sf9ei 6 ай бұрын
I don't know what's more beautiful.....the car or this woman
@cbrinsfi
@cbrinsfi 4 ай бұрын
Woman
@paulmarentette5346
@paulmarentette5346 4 жыл бұрын
I have enjoyed my '65 Sting Ray convertible now for 20 years and must say it is just as amazing out on the highway as it is in the twisty stuff. I've upgraded the the factory 4 speed Muncie transmission for a Tremec TKO-600 5 speed, plus updated suspension, brakes and steering. Truly astounding how well this 50+ year old design can keep up with (or excel past) most modern cars.
@FerrarisOnline
@FerrarisOnline 4 жыл бұрын
A TKO 5 speed and 373 gears in the rear. Always a great combination. 1500rpm at speed is always pleasing.
@vettebecker1
@vettebecker1 9 ай бұрын
My dream car!! Hopefully one day❤
@BradKwfc
@BradKwfc 4 жыл бұрын
I still remember getting dropped off at kindergarten in my dad's 66 coupe. That was the last time it was on the road (1988). My dad gave me the car in 2017 and I had the body off within a few months. Hopefully I'll have it back on the road in a few years. Even as a kid I thought that car was so cool!
@FerrarisOnline
@FerrarisOnline 4 жыл бұрын
A true american icon with a unmistakable sound for sure!
@HighSockDavid
@HighSockDavid 3 жыл бұрын
Can I have an update on the car how far is it through restoration
@BradKwfc
@BradKwfc 3 жыл бұрын
​@@HighSockDavid I wrote 2017 but it was 2015 when I got the car. I just completed the chassis and might get the body back on this year-time will tell. I post videos on my channel and have a playlist of all of them if you're interested.
@TCE63
@TCE63 Жыл бұрын
I am a year late to comment here but did watch this posting the day it published. I have a C2 corvette and I extremely happy to see Collene present this example. Nice spec and race history. Mid Year Corvettes hold their own against any Ferrari ever! I enjoyed. Please more of these.
@DwainDwight
@DwainDwight 3 жыл бұрын
One of these 435hp engines finely tuned is by far the greatest sounding engine of all time. This is the real deal. well done.
@cirenosnor5768
@cirenosnor5768 2 жыл бұрын
D Wnright - By far better than a Ferrari Colombo V12. Sure
@johnthonig8832
@johnthonig8832 Жыл бұрын
@@cirenosnor5768 And quicker as well
@chrisegnatz3668
@chrisegnatz3668 9 ай бұрын
I'm with you.That car has a personality.
@tonysoresen9810
@tonysoresen9810 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing car and such a smoke show
@will7its
@will7its 3 жыл бұрын
Of course it starts right up....Its a Chevy
@McCoy34
@McCoy34 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, beautiful!
@jamey4242
@jamey4242 Жыл бұрын
Never owned one, but I have ridin in one, and they are a very bad ass machine.. No hemi or ford can mess with it
@ZebraActual
@ZebraActual 9 ай бұрын
Gorgeous ride..
@luisnieves9681
@luisnieves9681 3 жыл бұрын
Greetings. You just made up my night watching this video of this gorgeous ‘66 Corvette. My favorite car. Thanks
@FerrarisOnline
@FerrarisOnline 3 жыл бұрын
Aesome, glad you liked it.
@aaroncolk5650
@aaroncolk5650 4 жыл бұрын
Gorgeous car and that engine is a beast
@dalindagarza9614
@dalindagarza9614 3 жыл бұрын
My favorite generation of Corvette. Awesome video
@jeffreyanderson7665
@jeffreyanderson7665 3 жыл бұрын
69,000 miles WOW a true gem !!
@keithsclassicgarage1133
@keithsclassicgarage1133 3 жыл бұрын
Hard not to love one of these!
@nazfan01
@nazfan01 2 жыл бұрын
I used to own and run a Corvette and classic car restoration shop back in early 2000s. Strangest story I tell people is that I used to have a customer who would come in almost daily to check out the cars being worked on. So one day a customer brought in a super rare 1969 Corvette L88 (427 engine). It was to go under a full restoration (down to the red line tires) So way later in the day the guy that came around checking out the cars came in and I told him about the 1969 that I had parked. I stayed in the office and a few minutes later he came back in ad said he was going home and would be back. He looked upset. He came back about 30 minutes later with a title in his hand and wanted me to go with him and check out the VIN. Well, the numbers matched on the title. I called the customer that left the car and I called the police as well. Luckily the police and customer came in about the same time. I asked the customer to bring all paper work he have had on the car and would explain what was going on when he got there. So, everyone got together I thought I would do the explaining on what was going on because the one guy was obviously upset. I asked the customer where he got his car and explained to both the guy and police that it was possibly a stolen car. The customer brought his paper work and the police officer looked it over then called headquaters............. turned out the car was reported stolen by the original guy who was upset BUT...... it was found but overlooked at the police impound AND sold at police auction. The end result? The police officer asked if an insurance settlement was made and the answer was Yes. The officer said that this guy is the new legal owner then........... I felt bad for him
@DSC800
@DSC800 2 жыл бұрын
That is strange. Doesn't the insurance company have a claim against the car though?
@nazfan01
@nazfan01 2 жыл бұрын
@@DSC800 - From what I understood was that apparently the original owner got a insurance settlement. What I am not sure of is how long it had been missing before it showed up at my shop. I assume the car sat at the police imound for quite some time before it got auctioned off. I do not remember what happened afterwards but I think the guy sued the police dept. over that whole ordeal. Talk about anoher strange story, I had a guy drop off a 1957 Corvette for a complete off the frame restoration and he gave me $10,000 down to start the job. I had the car for quite a while but never heard back from the guy. I called the number he left on the invoice and the phone was no longer in service. My shop was in Texas, I tried searching for the guy and all I found out was that he lived or moved to Florida ( He may have had 2 homes, one in each State) Could never locate him or family. I had the State of Texas search for him and it was believed he had died. I waited a year and nothing, so the State let me have the car as a mechanic lien and I sold the car. Never ever heard anything about him or family...........
@mgn5667
@mgn5667 3 жыл бұрын
The 60 lemans performer and 65 and 66 are my faves..!! this one black on black woah woah woah:::::
@heavenstomurgatroyd7033
@heavenstomurgatroyd7033 3 жыл бұрын
You guys have the coolest cars....
@jw2112j
@jw2112j 4 жыл бұрын
The car is nice but can we also take a moment to appreciate the beauty presenting the car?!
@HitchHikersBlues
@HitchHikersBlues 4 жыл бұрын
Bent over the car, then maybe. Women trying to be like men doesn't really turn me on at all. What a machine though. I love the look of the C5 too.
@GeneralLee1961.3
@GeneralLee1961.3 3 жыл бұрын
2:26 You have absolutely right! The old (muscle) cars are all the money 💰
@vette63
@vette63 2 жыл бұрын
I would have that over the Ferrari any day. The Ferrari might be more refined & quicker but there's nothing like a muscle car.
@johnthonig8832
@johnthonig8832 Жыл бұрын
Vette is quicker Ferrari might be faster
@rootine4
@rootine4 3 жыл бұрын
I have the 2013 427 Collector's Edition she referenced that was a tribute to the 1960s big blocks. Unfortunately, my idle doesn't sound like that. Like her, I love the cold start where the engine rolls the body at ignition. It's like a muscle twitch.
@bradka3952
@bradka3952 4 жыл бұрын
I enjoy your videos and the cars collection are amazing and they way you represent ❤👍
@FerrarisOnline
@FerrarisOnline 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! glad you enjoy it!
@johnanthony5931
@johnanthony5931 3 жыл бұрын
This piece fits you so good. American muscle sports cars in the 60's and 70's beat everything in the world. Then 80's it went down hill.
@DG-sc1yu
@DG-sc1yu Жыл бұрын
Yeah, the 80s cars had that perfect combination of awful reliability and ugly design.
@kofiofosu9051
@kofiofosu9051 3 жыл бұрын
Awesomeness. I ache for one!
@dalindagarza9614
@dalindagarza9614 4 жыл бұрын
Great video nice Corvette
@FerrarisOnline
@FerrarisOnline 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks. It's a blast to drive.
@SPfg3388
@SPfg3388 3 жыл бұрын
I had the same car in White. What caught my attention was the pumping of the gas. In order for that car to run on todays lower octane unleaded fuel, major engine modifications are needed.
@hansgruber650
@hansgruber650 3 жыл бұрын
Actually 450 hp and road tested back in the day turned a high 12sec. 1/4 mile time on gold line tires.
@itsjustme1949
@itsjustme1949 3 жыл бұрын
So what's the rear end? I had a 3:70 rear end in my '64 327ci with 365hp and the tach ran about about 1/2 the speed, meaning at 70 mph it was running 3500 rpm. Loved that car. I remember speed shifting into 4th at 90 mph and "barking" the tires. That's a speed shift, NOT a power shift. The owner before had put a stinger hood on it and it was a convertible with both tops. God, how I loved that car.
@1royalpalm
@1royalpalm 3 жыл бұрын
In the late 1970s I bought a former '66 Corvette 427-425 (ermine white exterior, saddle tan interior) 4-spd with 3:70 rear. The previous owner had blown up the engine and dropped in a 327-365, along with the small block radiator and overflow tank. I eventually spun #5 rod bearing hot rodding it. I decided not to take down the engine, hot tank it, etc., and sold the short block, keeping the heads, aluminum intake, distributor, carb, chrome dipstick, etc., and bought a 350 short block and put the 327-365 heads, manifold, carb, distributor on it. But instead of going with another solid lifter cam I elected to go with an after market hydraulic cam slightly hotter than Chevy's 350 HP cam. I also elected not to install the ram head exhaust manifold, and installed a set of Black Jack headers on it. For my money, the small block Chevy is the best engine ever made.
@johnthonig8832
@johnthonig8832 3 жыл бұрын
My 65- 327-350 at 70mph is 1700 rpms 3:08 gears. 850 Holley double pump.
@thud9797
@thud9797 Жыл бұрын
Drivetrain was M21 close ratio and axle ratio 3.55 standard, optional ratios 3.36, 3.70 or 4.11. But after all these years they could have anything in them by now.
@jamesdellaneve9005
@jamesdellaneve9005 3 жыл бұрын
Nice racing history. You usually need to do major fiberglass work on these old Vettes. Looks and sounds great.
@FerrarisOnline
@FerrarisOnline 3 жыл бұрын
This car was really solid forcwhat it was, obviosly not a show car bug for being an old race car and driver, it is a great car.
@northgategmfleetmanager8137
@northgategmfleetmanager8137 3 жыл бұрын
Great car. Flat out Awesome. Only thing I noticed, it's missing the wiper knob.
@visualizecreate2530
@visualizecreate2530 2 ай бұрын
I want to see more of the car!!
@jontiffinphoto
@jontiffinphoto 3 жыл бұрын
Killin’ it girl!!
@tinocontrevas716
@tinocontrevas716 3 жыл бұрын
The vett fits her really good !!
@chadguthrie6880
@chadguthrie6880 Жыл бұрын
Awesome car
@avantgardeaclue
@avantgardeaclue 4 жыл бұрын
okay, now we're talkin.
@mattrohr1266
@mattrohr1266 Жыл бұрын
Neat video, black looks so great, but you have to get that 63-64 horn cap off there.
@terryboehler5752
@terryboehler5752 3 жыл бұрын
I had my heart set on a certain red 66 442. One evening my Dad said "let's go" . We got in the family car and he took me to a car lot in Tulsa, on 15th street. He said " wouldn't you rather have that one?". There, sitting menacingly was a 67 427 Corvette, yellow with black on the hood . Side pipes. It's amazing how stupid a kid can be. The 442 was a great 4speed car. The sight of that Corvette still haunts me. I'm not positive about it being a 67.
@bunk-bn9eo
@bunk-bn9eo 3 жыл бұрын
There is nothing that compares to the sound of a 427 BBC. Pair it with a C2 - and it's all over.
@dontwanta
@dontwanta 6 ай бұрын
You ever hear a 429 Boss idle? Mean🤬 as hell👹
@joevette6290
@joevette6290 2 жыл бұрын
By the sound of your rpm in first to second its probay has a 3.70 or 4.11 rear
@robertlewchi3965
@robertlewchi3965 Жыл бұрын
355
@bobadams3661
@bobadams3661 2 жыл бұрын
When a car like that sits for a few weeks it would be good to spin the motor awhile first and get the oil around before you actually start it.
@LastBastian
@LastBastian Жыл бұрын
How do you do that? I have a classic that sits all winter, and I always just put a little fresh gas in and start it right up in the spring.
@bobadams3661
@bobadams3661 Жыл бұрын
@Bastian I have a c6 corvette and if you put the gas pedal to the floor and press the start button the motor spins but doesn't start. Depending on your ignition you could pull the coil wire and spin the motor and build oil pressure and circulate the oil in the motor for awhile. But it's something you should look into.
@LastBastian
@LastBastian Жыл бұрын
@@bobadams3661 Thanks, I will look into that!
@bobadams3661
@bobadams3661 Жыл бұрын
@@LastBastian Just thought I'd add that engineers @ GM knew Corvettes are mostly part time and sit for periods of time. So they put that feature into the car to spin motor and build oil pressure & circulate oil throughout motor without the load of a running motor. Love those Stingrays!!
@johnadams9044
@johnadams9044 6 ай бұрын
This lady needed a vintage 60 year old man to make her happy,
@jeffreyanderson7665
@jeffreyanderson7665 3 жыл бұрын
CORVETTE a big part of real ROCK N ROLL !!
@joew7882
@joew7882 3 жыл бұрын
As a teen in the age of everyone my age wanting a lime green dodge hellcat or a 2021 corvette or a Jeep some other expensive or pretentious car, I wonder what on earth posesses them that makes them feel that this is somehow inferior. That’s my dream car right there. Some day. Some day.......
@dedwardmalick
@dedwardmalick 3 жыл бұрын
Great video...Still love the Dino videos better :). Great job!
@ssalamri7302
@ssalamri7302 2 жыл бұрын
that is one good girl she understand what cars is ALL about 👍
@thomasnorman4221
@thomasnorman4221 Жыл бұрын
Does clutch need replacing often?
@sugarnads
@sugarnads 3 жыл бұрын
Nice presentation. Can i go for a ride next time i am in California? Pleeeeeeease? 🇭🇲☺️🇭🇲
@thomasnorman4221
@thomasnorman4221 Жыл бұрын
The sight sound power?...not to mention what takes place in my mind...
@stevewheat9030
@stevewheat9030 3 жыл бұрын
My god.... I'm in love....😍😎
@leotherocker94
@leotherocker94 Жыл бұрын
Her voice and the 427 exhaust notes are perfect, by the way.. is the exhaust stock? Or Chambered?
@ericheine2414
@ericheine2414 Жыл бұрын
First gear is to get you across the street. Fun begins at 80 miles an hour. That big block lunge, especially at night when you hear it come on.
@user-tu8kz3lc1m
@user-tu8kz3lc1m 5 ай бұрын
1967. 427 / 435. Hp was my favorite 😂😂😂❤😂❤❤
@JimS870
@JimS870 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the previous owner swapped out the trans or rear end gearing to shorter gearing? You figure a 427 should have long legs.
@garyleppla9314
@garyleppla9314 23 күн бұрын
I want one.
@MotoNoir86
@MotoNoir86 Жыл бұрын
Tell me you’re Italian without telling me. :::waves arms for 5 minutes while driving a stick::::
@Guy-mx4fb
@Guy-mx4fb 3 жыл бұрын
You own this car? I need career advice how do you do it
@racerx8410712
@racerx8410712 4 жыл бұрын
That's a car that begs to be bang shifted. No clutch, no rev drop, just bang, bang, bang!
@princesamuel7044
@princesamuel7044 3 жыл бұрын
I have a question. What is your favourite classic car?
@pjames8683
@pjames8683 9 ай бұрын
67 Pontiac G T O
@philipbianchi583
@philipbianchi583 2 жыл бұрын
Nice vette😉
@nellyfarnsworth7381
@nellyfarnsworth7381 4 жыл бұрын
Tell the model to move OUT of the picture. I want to see 👀 CORVETTE.
@mikethompson2007
@mikethompson2007 3 жыл бұрын
where was the model?
@cirenosnor5768
@cirenosnor5768 3 жыл бұрын
Nelly Farnsworth - The model? Her father owns the dealership and she works there. Probably knows more about the cars than most
@mikethompson2007
@mikethompson2007 3 жыл бұрын
@@cirenosnor5768 Doubtful... talks mostly in generalities, however with just a little more effort with those hands and arms she can simultaneously "sign" for the hearing impaired.
@0Heeroyuy01
@0Heeroyuy01 3 жыл бұрын
@@mikethompson2007 i didn't know this was one of those roasting videos XD
@MarcelaR-dh1ok
@MarcelaR-dh1ok 6 ай бұрын
That's what I want...a 60 yo car that's been raced.
@GimmeDaBacon
@GimmeDaBacon 3 жыл бұрын
Gasoline just smells good I’m addicted to the scent
@Agislife1960
@Agislife1960 3 жыл бұрын
I believe the term is first gear is too tall and requires you to rev the engine a little much
@kentcain5605
@kentcain5605 7 ай бұрын
Clutch? I thought the badge next to 427 said Turbo Jet. Isn’t that an automatic.
@maureencora1
@maureencora1 Жыл бұрын
C2 Hardtops are the Greatest Corvettes.
@John-xk1ym
@John-xk1ym 4 ай бұрын
427 425hp black on black 2 tops 4spd super shifter
@johnnyboy1586
@johnnyboy1586 3 жыл бұрын
My favorite model.beinga big block you wouldn't need to use first gear with all that torque
@RichardYoung-qf5oh
@RichardYoung-qf5oh 5 ай бұрын
I had a friend who had a1969 l88 427 it was bad to the bone it was a former road race car when it was new
@gaddyify
@gaddyify 9 күн бұрын
Why do people keep calling it a muscle car? It's a bona fide sports car, just like the Ferrari it's parked by.
@yeseniakrueger1863
@yeseniakrueger1863 3 жыл бұрын
Yes that is one of the greatest cars...but to hve one back in the 1960s is much better
@barbershoppodcast
@barbershoppodcast 4 жыл бұрын
I know every car guy/gal feels the need to flail around with their spaghetti arms like one of those inflatable wacky wavy tube shaped guys, but this one here makes Scotty Kilmer look like a double stroke victim.
@jimihendrix225
@jimihendrix225 3 жыл бұрын
Floor It !
@ericeverson5956
@ericeverson5956 4 жыл бұрын
Do you feel anything from your Tesla? How could one?
@truthseeker8483
@truthseeker8483 4 жыл бұрын
You feel a smile as you overtake Corvettes...
@heavenstomurgatroyd7033
@heavenstomurgatroyd7033 3 жыл бұрын
A new model S will run 10 second quarter miles, you obviously don't understand.....
@trashbandit2449
@trashbandit2449 3 жыл бұрын
@@heavenstomurgatroyd7033 so? I can watch a video of a tesla doing a 10 second quarter mile and I get almost the same experience. Not so with this corvette
@upsidedowndog1256
@upsidedowndog1256 3 жыл бұрын
My dad had a 68 big block 4 speed. Nice car. He sold it during the gas crunch for next to nothing.
@joevette6290
@joevette6290 Жыл бұрын
Nice vette but you should keep your hand off the inside gasket of that " smelly" gas cap!🤣🤣🤣
@shanedoyle1057
@shanedoyle1057 3 жыл бұрын
That thing doesn’t need a gearbox! Just weld a prop shaft to the end of the crank and be done with it! 😂
@keithsclassicgarage1133
@keithsclassicgarage1133 4 жыл бұрын
Love the perfect narrator!
@TarotMoon
@TarotMoon 2 жыл бұрын
Please.
@edgarcook9607
@edgarcook9607 3 жыл бұрын
"Sting Ray" was two words in 1966...
@mikethompson2007
@mikethompson2007 3 жыл бұрын
and in 63...
@johnthonig8832
@johnthonig8832 3 жыл бұрын
63-67- Sting Ray
@jimwest850
@jimwest850 2 жыл бұрын
Heck with the vet she’s a knockout
@mikethompson2007
@mikethompson2007 3 жыл бұрын
couldn't say a word with her hands tied behind her back...
@marcingajda9501
@marcingajda9501 2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful Girl 😍 Amazing Car 😍 What You want more Man!? 😎💪❤
@botabob
@botabob 3 жыл бұрын
Did I miss the part where you mentioned the knockoff/spinner wheels - I believe they were an optional add-on. You probably don't even read the comments.
@FerrarisOnline
@FerrarisOnline 3 жыл бұрын
I do read the comments. Thanks.
@botabob
@botabob 3 жыл бұрын
@@FerrarisOnline - my apologies - I like the Sting Ray and the Knockoff wheels -
@KirkSH52
@KirkSH52 3 жыл бұрын
Show the road and the hood of the car while in motion!!@!!!!!
@filipborin555
@filipborin555 3 жыл бұрын
The presentatrice is definitely cute
@theregoesmiller389
@theregoesmiller389 Жыл бұрын
:( that was it ? :/
@claiborneeastjr4129
@claiborneeastjr4129 5 ай бұрын
Very nice. But it is not a muscle car - it is a sports car! Yeah, I'm nit-picking.
@tonyd1068
@tonyd1068 3 жыл бұрын
The tires are older than the girl. Someone that can give us abit more info would have been nicer.
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