Every nut or bolt I ever started in my 65 year old life was done with my FINGERTIPS! What kind of weirdo goes out of his way to get his threads CROSS-THREADED?????? If you hadn't have pointed out that cheap sockets are usually deeper than better sockets I'd have learned NOTHING here. You should have spent some time explaining why the cheaper is deeper.

Pirate walks into a bar with a steering wheel hanging out of his pants. Bar tender says you have a steering wheel hanging out of your pants. Pirate says, arrrr, and its drivin me nuts.

Actually... Cheap sockets are thinner because I don't like grinding my snapon sockets.

I used to work as a commercial steel heat treater, and our biggest client was Snap-On. All of their materials were either 4140 or very rarely, they were 52100 (very similar to O-1, very high carbon content). The impact sockets typically have a Rockwell-C value of around 45 (+/-) 2 and the non-impact sockets would have a Rockwell-C value of 60 (+/-) 2. They were VERY particular about having us make sure that the hardness was tested 5 times, per layer, per basket. Very time consuming stuff, but makes it worth it, I suppose.

Wait, they're not made to be cut to length?

"Cheap sockets drive me nuts"... I mean, thats what they are made for right? If they couldn't drive a nut, I feel like it ain't a socket.

"2 different countries" *Xi Jinping would like to know your location*

The amount of 10 mm snap on sockets we crack at work is unbelievable. They never go on an impact. My old craftsman sockets used to get used on an impact with no problems. On a side note I did get to see first hand how snap on sockets were made about 15 yes ago. The cold forging process is incredible

Snap-on tools are great but, I think they're overpriced. I've been repairing industrial machine tools for the last 45 years. Most of my tools are Craftsmen. Broke and bent a few early on and then learned how to use them. Been many years since I've had to return or replace one. I almost never use a socket to start a nut or screw and prefer deep broached sockets.

Ok the swelling is gone but the rash got worse. Gonna try me some lithium grease ointment, it should make me feel calmer if nothing else. 😉

One thing I disagree with in CERTAIN circumstances is the socket depth. When you're in a tight spot with a long bolt, those deep sockets allow for the bolt to come out a whole lot further before it starts pushing whatever tool you're driving it with up against a bulkhead, often with a finger in the way.

"If'n ya learn in close and careful real listenly..." That is a wonderful turn of phrase

I'm 26 & been watching AVE for about 3-4 years seen every video he posted his knowledge and humor is always on point !

On more than one occasion I've found myself needing the deep sockets in a tight spot to give the fastener room to back out without wedging whatever I'm using to drive them in the aforementioned tight spot.

I bought most of my Craftsman about 50 years ago and they still work just like new.

That old Snappy is a 9/32 drive, which was quite common through the wartime period, after which it gave way to the quarter drive. Plomb Tool Co produced a lot of 9/32 materiel on military contract for the war effort. As the 9/32 drive predates the shift to metric in the US, they aren't much use in a modern setting, but are relevant and period-correct in that old steel toolbox in the trunk of the hot rod.

A deep socket should be deep....and short sockets take care of everything else. If ya need to go super deep I use my hollow sockets. I have every type of socket. Even the special stuff. Same for my wrenches too. All Craftsman USA stamped. They've been though everything for decades. Never broken or cracked any of them. Couldn't be happier. I use Snap On at work in the aerospace industry and I hate Snap On tools. The very few Proto tools we have are way better than the Snap On shit.

Enjoyed the Hydraulic Press Channel reference.

For those big deep sockets a piece of rubber hose jammed in will remedy the problem and still allow the pass through of the long thread when tightening and loosening of long bolts

"Taiwan, PRC, y'know, two different countries" aaand DE-MONETIZED

No... "We must DEAL with it."

dont knock the cheap harbor freight sockets I use them daily in big impacts never had an issue

The 7mm wrench is actually used to open the oil drain plug on many french cars. Its also sa same size as the square drive on a door handle here in europe.

Been using the tap sockets for probably close to 20 years now. great addition to the tool box.

"...two different countries..." - you just black listed my man! Good on ya!

I turned my phone to get the glare off of your calipers.

Man I love them tap sockets, they’re a life saver at work and at the farm. Don’t know how I survived without them.

Tap sockets exist!!!! Glad I watched this video. The deeper socket has come in handy for me at least once, I welded it to a steering shaft and machined a hex on another section to make a slip joint, worked great.

For the cost I'll spend 12 minuts on a bench grinder to remove the last 1/4 inch of the socke set if it bothered me that bad

As a fellow Filipino, I can vouch that a good amount of us are 90 lbs tops but 100% of us hang upside down on our ankles

I had the same problem with an old 1/4” snap on ratchet, good thing is you can buy a rebuild kit for it to turn it back into an actual 1/4”. Use mine everyday. Cheers and love the videos.

The tap sockets. Wow. Nice set. Your the first man that showed me a tool i have never seen before... Dont tell my wife.

if ur wife/girlfriend asks is it in yet, say I don't know

As far as the socket depth, in most cases its quicker/easier to hand thread the nut on 2-3 turns. Then use whatever applicable socket to tighten. Or did I miss something...

It is my understanding that the odd size Snap On tools are military issue. It was made "off size" to deter theft. An ordinary dealer cannot warranty those tools. If a civilian has them they are thought to be stolen. Love your channel.

You’re the best man you put a smile on my face every time I watch your videos. A true master of the English language indeed.

Sick Hudrolic Press Channel reference brother

Eh, maybe. Maybe I don't get stuck with enough crappy bolts, but I generally start bolts by hand; it's just as easy to use a deep cut socket vs a shallow cut socket for me. Get a Rockwell tester and check the hardness. A manual one can be had new from eBay for $1000 US, or an electronic one for less. Let's quanatatively see the difference! I think sockets are far right on the curve of diminishing returns. Even the cheap shit is 95% as good as the best stuff imo. If you're going to spend the cash, might as well buy something where doubling or quadrupling the price actually buys you noticable improvement.

I love what you done to the English language!

The ones you missed that are also super useful are the through sockets. Special wrench goes around the outside of the socket, so you can screw nuts onto all-thread or similar long rods. VASTLY nicer than trying to just use a normal wrench.

So if I glue a nut in the bottom of my cheap sockets, I fixed your main complaint about them?

Good use for the cheap Torx/Allen sockets is to drive the end out and turn them with a regular wrench or weld them to a piece of flat bar to make your own wrench for use in tight spots. Might use that trick a few times in a lifetime, but it's a good one to know.

I have the snap on set in the end. It’s special drive can be swapped out for a 1/4 inch rebuild kit. Mine is from 1944, and I use it at work all the time. It’s a neat tool to keep around!

I've found myself shopping for Wright sockets to have a deeper broach but still have a quality socket. Even 12 points sometimes. They all have their place. Like pulling a oil sensor with a deep broached socket instead of a special Snap-on socket.

Ive had problems with snap on deep sockets on low profile nuts that we use in helicopters all the time. The relief hole for the bolt to go through on the socket is too small so you need those deep cut sockets.

Dude! Two points: 1- The deep socket allows you to drive a nut on a longer thread than a shallow socket would. 2- The difference in socket thickness has to do with the alloy used among other factors, Chrome Molybdenum vs Chrome Vanadium, Cr-Mo is made "thicker" usually than Cr-V, and it is better as an impact socket

I bought one of those "7mm drive" ratchets at a garage sale. One day I got tired of looking at it so I took the drive part out, clamped it in a vise, and carefully filed the 3 faces that didn't have the ball retainer until I got it to fit properly in my 1/4" drive sockets. Now I can use it.

I worked on imports for a couple years and i needed every little bit of clearance i could get. Snap on was pretty essential for that.

I wish I hadn't watched this video. I can't unsee what I've seen.

i wish 6 sided wrenches were more common in hardware stores. who hasnt had to get in a tight spot and rounded off a rusty nut because the 12 sided slipped?

can you show us 10mm socket... oh wait where is that f...!$%!%!

Always keeping your focus you fawk. Love the content as always. Keep making fantastic, educational videos for us mechanics, engineers, tinkerers, and makers. Your a wonderful teacher and comedian.

All I got was deep and thick... Also do not watch AVE right after an appendectomy, I almost bust a stitch.

Sometimes I want a deep-broached socket, sometimes I want a shallow-broached socket. I've had some circumstances where one or the other didn't work out so well.

I’ve got both for this exact reason. I’ve got a bunch of nuts that have to go deep on long studs on a particular part I see often. Good sockets didn’t have the reach, cheapies did. Still had to mill out the round center bore to make it all work. I hear what you’re saying buddy, but the best tool is the one that gets the job done.

Hey, I thought it was "No-Nut November"

"Why does it need to be so big?" AvE asking the hard hitting questions.

I'm always impressed by AvE's level of OPSEC keeping himself secret from the world. Very admirable tbh.

Hey mister Ave, just realized I have a video youmight beinterested in. My partner salvaged an old Bridgeport that was going to be scrapped. It was an early cnc version that crapped out. He ripped out all the guts, and rewired it to a serialinterface to and old macbook. In this video, we clamped a Hazard Frought plasma cutter to the table with some unistrut and ran a program to cut a bunch of flour de lees for some hot hippie chick’s burning man sculpture. 100% home brew cnc control on a 40 year old Bridgey. I think you might be one of the few to appreciate this in spiteof my shitty video skills..

I have some Snap On 9/32 stuff! I don have the case though. It even has some square drive sockets with it. It was my Father in laws. He was a machinist. I found it in his tools when he died. I've actually used them a few times and it all still works.

Nice hydraulic press channel reference. Did anybody else catch that?

Am I crazy in thinking the depth of the broaching in a socket is more of a personal preference and need of whatever particular job you're doing....In tight places, that shallow broached deep socket will screw you every time...as it wedges against the opposing tight spot material.

Dude you got me laughing out loud with the “strap-on”. Thanks. 👍 I enjoy your videos thanks for taking the time.

Three weeks into NNN and you have the nerve to show me this nut buster.

7:35 nothin but a boat anchor but a good collector's piece!

on some metals the heat treat is orders of magnitude more expensive than the actual material itself is

Guy needs a sitcom.... Ave's Cave

I have actually had to grind a cheap husky 10mm socket down because the "lead-in" lip was too deep that it would slip off the half nuts I needed to take off. Ground it down flush with the straight walls worked like a charm.

Wait how are there comments from 4 days ago

As weird as it is I’d like to see a video on swivels. Especially impact grade swivels and which way they make is best.

You could leave a note in that oddball set, but beyond the grave chuckles are the best chuckles.

Well done, you are now a star on " Mining Boom ", " Tappy tap tap " !!

"Two different Countries" deeeeeeeeeeeemonitzed.

Real men start with their fingers and finish with their tool

Damn. I’ll never look at this stuff the same again. Learned quite a bit. Regards, Marky

That's why you start threads with your fingers, starting with it in a socket is a good way to cross thread it. I've never started with a socket. Even in a deep well you can get your finger in there most of the time.

Another fan of the Hydraulic Press Channel, I see.

Always spray brake cleaner directly into cuts

the old ratchet from snap on was for military use .Also IH used those in the factories in the 30s .it kept people from needing the tools at home .It was 5/16 drive .the local snap on guy had the parts in his truck to convert mine to 1/4 inch and gave me back the old gear .Mine was my grandfathers and my son just had it updated for me gave it to me on my recent birthday .a cool piece of history

There's also a differense in the hexagon, better ones have the corners rounded so it is better for the bolt

“....2 different countries.” **PRC Department of Incarc....Education has enter the chat.**

Nah this is a stupid argument..i actually prefer the deep ones..if you want a swallow one get a shallow one..plus it's stupid to get such a long socket for a swallow pocket

For those that cant figure this out: the point of deep sockets is to allow the threaded side of a bolt to pass through the socket, deep enough to reach the NUT on the back side. The shelf helps so you dont have to change sockets and makes the socket more useful on the tool. You dont need the depth on the bolt side. Hence yhe shelf. Only needs to be deep enough to effectively grab any depth of nut.

I found that a different difference ended up being of great importance to me and my work. I prefer the fully broached deep sockets b/c on many of the cheaper ones (read: all of them) the centre bore is too small to accommodate the stud that mounts the nut you're attacking. So even though the nut may drop all the way in, at least I can reach it past the stud hanging out there. A good example in case you're not reading my mail just yet...u-bolts on your truck. One other advantage of deeply broached sockets is that in a confined space the nut can just back itself into the socket rather than bottoming out and forcing the tool to back off, and getting jammed in a tight space. Aint nobody got time for that! The few times that I have not been able to start an ut by hand I have just stacked nuts in the socket to compensate for depth.

Ah, another fan of HPC craziness, oh, and if you haven't noticed bigclivedotcom still makes references to your illeterations accentuation and particulara vocabularum abusives. Personally I Always enjoy a new AvE vii-j-o. Hope you are surviving up there in Hoth, watch out for those shiny hexagons in dark sockets, moisture can condensate and quick freeze them in place. A bit further south in PDX town, we are still having sunny days, which is delaying the seasonal onset depression, and causing bean-o-form stimulant futures, as well as phychological services infrastructure investments to drop.

I have one of those useless snap-off ratchets too, except in 5/8" drive.

Who else would drink beer with this guy ?

I can’t unsee this video. Thanks.

why weld when u can just let the chinesium rust itself into one bit

6:55 AvE, you like Lauri and Anni? HPC, BTP, etc.?

I like cheap tools because they are a good starting point for making custom tools. Like a harbor freight allen key set that I trimmed down to make into "shallow" allens. Same length on the long leg, but the short leg is cut to just after the bend. I've had to use them a couple times for installing aftermarket aux lights on a couple bikes. Or their 12-point sockets that I use solely for super rusty nuts and just hammer them on. I've expanded my 11mm to roughly 11.7mm at this point just from hammering it onto crusty 12mm nuts.

I can appreciate the Hydraulic Press Channel reference

I've got one of these 9/32 sets I got from my grandfather. I do wish Snapon still made this style of spinning t-handle in the standard sizes. At some point my grandfater made a 1/4 inch adapter with key stock (I think) and brazed into a 1/4 socket. Not the greatest, I know. Here's some info if you're interested. www.collectingsnapon.com/index.php?page=socket_sets/C9-32inch/9-32%20intro

I wnt 5/8" drive. 3/4" is to big and 1/2" is bending at the handle sometimes.

The T handle joke was perfect

I love that line about heattreating as a hobby knife maker it annoys me to no end when scam artist "knife" sellers talk about how good their heat treat is and that it means their knife can be sharp and the general public doesnt know any better

My tiny, double jointed Filipino buddy just told me he, "have no probrem firring socket." #doubt #justajokin

My tinkering life was really started in my teens learning musical instrument repair. We were a small shop & often needed outside help with some of the oddball jobs or things we didn't have the tools/knowledge for. Most of the guys that we went to (I imagine) probably spent too much time by themselves tinkering around with whatever it was that they specialized in & all were interesting unique people. Watching this channel reminds me of visiting those shops. I can't say I am always very interested when I click but by the end I'm completely sucked in & often picked up something I didn't know.

Is there any reason you couldn't just thread it on by hand and then go to town on it?

I have that same lisle tap socket set! Like you said, friggin awesome set!