MockRock rest does a sort of poison damage, and flare blade does 54. Also, my favorite big move is warlock/falcon punch

incineroar revenge alolan whip

bean revenged 3 turnaround warlock punches with spirits attack buff giant Ganon, then... THATS A LOT OF DAMAGE

Rest does 20 lmao

Nicholas Termignon no. It gives flower, so it technically hits for 70

Why can't their be a strongly agree option on comments

"hey you, yes you. you Suck and i'm going to prove it now." *B*

Me, when I play ganondorf

Yup

Actually, it was Joker from The Dark Knight who said that. Alpharad adapted that quote. Alpharad actually quotes a whole lot of stuff that goes over people's heads, my own included.

Huh?

And who also made little mac's k.o. punch kill later. Why?!

If big risky moves become better than online requires less skill to play due to reaction times being abhorrent. If we have the 10 frames of human reaction + 10 frames of internet lag + 10 frames of buffer things can easily compile out of control.

It's weird how sakurai created this largely competitive game but is a complete casual

@Daniel Davies he would prefer to see more people using risky, powerful moves rather than effective, tactically superior weaker moves.

Answer: No. Reworking characters seems to not exist in the eyes of smash devs. Although maybe if the game is rebooted for the next smash game, then the characters might have changed movesets

little Mac and ganon were just done dirty man…

@@waluigiisthebest2802 been waiting for a rework since brawl man

@@waluigiisthebest2802 If there was ever a time to rework the old characters, it's in the next game after Ultimate. Assuming that Sakurai actually retires from Smash development and that the next game almost definitely can't bring everyone back while also adding newcomers, it seems like the most sensible option for Smash 6 is to essentially reboot the franchise.

@@waluigiisthebest2802 Brawl Falco and Sm4sh Bowser?

I did that once but I knew what the move did😏

When I firstly played the game I SD with Mario on a Battlefield believing j was the Pikachu on the right.........I was on the left of a 1v1 I was such a moron

If you time your inputs just right you can catch the most common starting actions players will take, within the first second of a match on either battle field or small battle field, with skewer. And let me tell you it is a real demoralizing way to start things off for your opponent

Try down throw to down b. Always works on new players

When set up close to a character a spot dish or roll is usually a good option to either close or widen the gap and minimise lick on their end

SubZero9120 exactly!

Was about to comment that myself if someone hadn't already, MockRock's editing, pacing, and transitions are some of the best in all of youtube

Talk about it.

OP yeah Satisfaction

It bugs me though, how only one of the characters in the transitions isn't a smash character

Who else could it have possibly been?

I didn't even catch that. That attention to detail is amazing

Clever.....

Luigi still won by doing absolutely nothing.

I was just about to comment this

Completely agree. Make black shadow an echo captain falcon and then Ganondorf will have his own unique moveset. This will appease the vast majority of people calling for a moveset overhaul, as well as keeping the original Ganondorf moveset preserved

If only this was the same for BOTW link. So many weapons and I'm especially mad about the outfits. No Geruode outfit?

His special moves NEEDS to be complete change (sorry for my inglish xDDD, i understand the inglish but a can't write it correctly xDDD)

same idea, but i didn’t think of an f-zero character i just imagined Big Mac, a giga mac in clownface

3. Add Toon Ganondorf, a dual-wielding swordie from the end of Wind Waker

*DIS RE SPECT*

*I am 4 parallel universes ahead of you.*

@Roy is Our Boy? Is that a Jojo reference?

Thats like, half of competitive smash, just reads. ( im kidding chill )

@@sleepy_b0i Actually you’re not. Eventually, it comes down to muscle memory about match ups & spacing. The victor’s dream is to have all of this in grained, so they read everything, and punish with no risk, all reward.

@Max Rob No I swear

@Max Rob I know but I hadn't seen it when I wrote this comment I swear

@@jinnans_gd yea.... *suuuurreeeee

@@Billbobs678 Why would I copy the most liked comment (which has a heart) are you stupid

@@jinnans_gd bruh

I just spam buttons and yeah that’s it XD

@@SoRa-re1yd what online I don’t even have the Nintendo online system

How do you roll?

@@curtschneider3590 Shield + left or right

yeah as a kid playing brawl i never shielded or grabbed. I just used meta knight, like everyone else Edit: by the way, I didn't know he was good I just thought "he cool and sword have and also he fly"

If BoTW2 actually has Warlock Punch, I'd laugh my ass off.

WeLl aCtUalLy hE pUnChEs tHe tEnNiS bAlL iN oCaRiNa oF tiME sO tHaT sHoUlD cOuNt Also yeah I'd laugh my ass off too

I cant even imagine the busted amount of damage it would do

@@noble6752 If he turns around during it's animation instant death.

@@xRagingxDemonx And the Normal version has splash damage

Honestly I think it fits the canon anyway, especially the way it's said in the video. Ganon is described as a Glory or Death chracter which fits pretty much all of his iteration concidering that he pulls the boldest moves ever, taking on a whole kingdom, sometimes even directly and even alone, and either succedes or dies trying. But he always leaves a mark in the world. This is exactly who Ganon is in smash : A heavy hiter with ambitions as big as his sword who's here to leave an ever lasting impression on everyone.

Not *THATS* a good idea!

This... is actually one of the best ideas I’ve heard for this concept. Kudos.

Cri Cat I was expecting a joke, but actually, your suggestion is genuinely worth considering, what the heck.

I think the best application of this would be three levels of charge. First would be a quick reflector - not as active or long-lasting as Nayru’s Love (Zelda neutral B), more like Mario’s cape. Holding it a little more would produce the light orb - which could turn into the Dead Man’s Volley with any character with a reflector, since all he’d have to do to reflect it would be tap the B button again. And then, holding it past the light orb’s level would result in the warlock punch.

What I think would be cool would be if, during his neutral special (or heck, even as a replacement for his *down* special), Ganondorf would punch the ground and create a shockwave sort of effect (similar to Ike’s NS but to a much lighter degree). If you’re in the air, you’d end up diving downward and punching the ground, creating a much bigger effect depending on how high you were previously. This sort of move would be in reference to his Ocarina of Time boss fight, where he would dive and strike the ground just before the fight would start, causing tiles to fall and setting up the arena’s layout for the ensuing tennis match. I believe Ganondorf would also do this when you jumped onto his platform when he isn’t incapacitated.

I just noticed it lmao

THIS PLEASE!

@@shir0azure339 Several similar ideas actually are already on the list, no worries!

Samus gets the ability to tilt her canon. Boom! Top tier.

@Muse Suse They already are.

@@vktrlndwll95 ewwww no

fake2king we have taunt button for that

@@krishnandabahar1900 warlock punch does it better

Krishnanda Bahar well not online

I just press it whenever I’m winning just like I do falcon punch

@@krishnandabahar1900 Your lack of style and imagination is probably the most disappointing thing I've seen from this community thus far.

Fkdksnsncmelsn Djdksms I wish people wouldn’t just suggest Black Shadow merely as a dumping ground. It’s kinda rude

Wolfasaurus Rex People who say this don’t know a thing about Black Shadow. They don’t actually care about him getting in, they just need someone to shove Ganon’s moveset onto. Don’t even see the point, he’s finally great in this game, plays nothing like Falcon, hardly looks the same as him in animations these days, and there’s plenty of other characters with misrepresented movesets that don’t have their fans begging for a change as much as Ganondorf fans. And don’t give me that Hyryle Warriors excuse, you just can’t compare the two games so equally, especially since everyone was made ridiculous and over the top in that game.

Or phantom ganon 👀

Yes

@@emblemblade9245 ^

I agree to giving Ganondorf's moveset to Black Shadow, but not Blood Falcon. If Blood Falcon were ever introduced he would be best represented as an exaggerated version of Captain Falcon. Even faster, even nastier, even stronger, but far more slippery and even harder to use. After all, if Captain Falcon was based on F-zero and the blue falcon, than Blood Falcon should be based on the Blood Hawk. Black Shadow makes sense though. The Black Bull is fast as hell, tough as nails, and hits like a truck because of its weight, but suffers because of its acceleration. Black Shadow with Ganon's moveset would fit his machine pretty well. It's hard to get to first place, but if you're close to Black Shadow, get the fuck out of there. And when he does get first place, good luck catching him.

The Black Shadow spirit even has Ganondorf, I assume, representing him.

Yep so good

Henrique Marques KINGO CURIMSON

WRYYYYYYYYYYYY Wrong reference i know. But im only in diamond is unbreakable no spoilers

Oh boy am i hyped for this finale

Jake Memegod JoJo dies

@@julinpro9525 ye. I know. F

@@TheTrueBrawler Let's not talk about the forward smash that kills lvl9 pichus at 0% or that kills any non-heavies after a single up smash.

I hit a lot of people on the ledge on 3DS but asides from that yeah you're not getting too much out of it except with careless people or just whoever don't knows that. The super armor and shield breaker capabilities really came in handy.

Sometimes I don't even charge it and it still kills and being able to move around has allowed me to microspace against some attacks to make them whiff and then I go for big punish.

Thank you, took forever to get right but very happy with how it turned out!

Pig Ganon's abilities are much different from Ganondorf. Besides, giving Ganon his magic and ability to float would be much easier to balance on a large humanoid who is heavy or on the low end of super heavy than a gigantic pig demon that would probably be up there with Dedede and DK as one of the heaviest characters in the game.

Ganon is too big

@@givecamichips *N o n s e n s e*

And Jigglypuff

*to

@@andreazhab thanks

Yes

What if after the first half of charging it has a strong suck windbox and a few frames after the active frames it sends a strong push windbox?

no

greg jenko yes

@@menacing_name mega no.

Not only was this in project M, if you used his reflection mid-air GANON COULD FLOAT. They compensate by replacing his sword taunt with a move similar to his forward smash in Ultimate, and it basically worked the same as warlock punch.

Goofy ah side smash that hits behind him, stupid Dair that spikes up to his back, devilish up B reach that grabs the ledge a feet and a half away from his hand. Yep, that's Ganon for you.

Heroes up b that does over 300%: Am I a joke to you?

Think Outside The Blocks That move doesn't do over 300% unless reflected, so in a sense, that doesn't count as the move by itself doing damage.

@@angelmendez-rivera351 yea, and likewise rest inflicts a flower, which does allot of lingering damage

Super Smash Bros Melee Peach's down-smash. Up to 65% if spaced correctly.

What about magic burst (63%) and G & W final smash agiants icies its possible to do lots of damage (600+) So yea

The Identity of Ganondorf in Smash is like the King of Disrespect, and I think it fits him right xD

Or, just a thought - they could give this random collection of Falcon attacks and generic moves to literally any other character (even an F-Zero character, it really doesn't matter) and then they could make Ganondorf play like Ganondorf. Imagine if they made Mario (in smash) based off of Simon Belmont. That'd be fucking ridiculous because they have absolutely nothing to do with each other and would be insulting to Mario fans. Personally, I don't care about Mario at all, but I recognize that that's stupid. Even if he was like that since Smash 64, it wouldn't matter. A stupid moveset is a stupid moveset, regardless of how long it's existed. I don't understand why people make that "argument". I'm not trying to be insulting or anything, it just really bothers me when people say that kind of stuff. Like, as if people are totally okay with a great franchise stagnating.

@@aedof Or, just a thought. They can't give it to another character since very few else fit the King of Disrespect role so well (and with the humanoid muscular body type, which excludes K Rool from fitting.) Ganondorf could very well be designed more like his battles from OOT and TP, but it's this specific design that has made him into such an iconic character. So yes, Mario plays like a Belmont, but he's become an ultimate icon in Smash and has being gaining attraction from joke plays and serious players alike for years.

@@aedof Oh and another thing, if ganon was made to represent his games accurately, then I think there could be fair accusations that he plays too much like Mewtwo, using a mix of close and ranged power with an evil aura. At this point, Smash Ganon isn't accurate, but he fills a unique role, one that while a clone of Cap'n Falcon, is so incredibly different than Falcon, or K Rool, or Ridley, or even DDD. He's the only super high risk super high power heavy, he's the only high risk high reward fighter of this caliber. No one else does the job better than the King of Disrespect.

@@strawberrypupper897 This whole "king of disrespect" thing is stupid. I thought you were joking. The fact is that the character is nothing like what's in Smash. Not even his sword looks right. And there are plenty of characters with similarities, but none besides him are so identical to a character from a totally different series. If the role is so important to "competitive" players, then they could easily give it to anyone else. It'd be better than giving it to the main villain of one Nintendo's biggest franchises.

Ganon main from smash 4 here, it was Captian Falcon's elbow strike (or whatever you wanna call it) and his up smash was a painfully short upwards kick. Only reason I remember it is because it phisically hurt me to use them concidering that Ganon is both my favorite antagonist ever and that his other moves were really viable for who he was. So yea, I do welcome the big stupid sword that murders Pichus at 0% with open arms. Also Warlock punch has garnered so much hype during the years that I think that replacing it would be a huge double or nothing for Nintendo. Like, if it's a move that follows the same dynamic, as in stupid, slow but hype as all hell AND that's more iconic to canon Ganon, sure, the fans might accept it. But if it's a flimsy projectile that just helps start combos or a Lucina/Marth shield break clone, yea people will riot. Sure the high comp players might like it and we'll see more Ganon mains on the competitive scene, but Ganon just won't be Ganon anymore. The whole part of the Ganon mains who are here for THE DORF, aka the goofy gameplay, the give me glory or give me death, the Ganonside on last stock to save the honor and the "I don't fight to win, I fight to humiliate my oponent !" mindset, they'll just feel robbed of one of their biggest tools of disrespect and fun. On top of that, I feel like his similarity to Captain Falcon allowed a bridge for Captain Falcon mains to experience a different flavor of fighter (which is how I became a Ganon main btw). He's similar enough that Captain Falcon mains can familiarise themselves with him first, then develop their own playstyle yet still be able to go back to their original main at any point. It also works the other way around (though less effectively), so it's a win/win.

Most specials seem to be inspired by what the Arwings do, but I can't for the life of me explain the Up Special. As for Ganondorf, that sword he uses in Ultimate was actually seen in a tech demo for the GameCube, showing a scene where he was fighting Link with it. It's funny to me, as it's appeared in 2 released Smash games (he had it in a victory animation in Melee) and 0 released Zelda games. Also he used two smaller swords in Wind Waker, but that was an entirely different fighting style.

​@@jackhammer4499 Ah the arwing thing makes sense. The up special could just be referencing something as simple as the engines. I wonder if Ganon's lack of canonity in his moveset is because people like him as a bad falcon echo or because the dev's really have no inspiration for what to do with him.

@@franklinturtleton6525 I think it's a character identity thing to Sakurai. Which is, of course, a colossal shame. As MockRock said, you know that if Ganondorf was introduced to Smash later, he'd have a completely original moveset.

Sylvanos from RoA would probably be a better template for Ganon, as a stage-control heavy character. Reflector neutral special, farther/more controllable up special, longer side special, and a down special projectile that he could hit around. Nostalgia is no excuse at this point.

@@GothicSoldier9000 I really don't understand why they haven't changed Ganondorf's special moves. They are what are supposed to be what shows the characters Canonical abilities, yet the only Special the does this is Flame Choke. I don't think people are attached to Warlock punch, Wizard's Foot, and Dark dive, so there's really no excuse for not exchanging for moves that are canon, like a Electric orb, reflecter, and Warping recovery.

That's like 80% or the time it hits too, you just panick and forget which one works best in your situation. The fact that Captain Falcon can pressure you for a long while all while doing nothing adds to it, making his opponent stress level increase until they can finally hit them.

A fast up tilt would help him a lot, too.

I think jab or ftilt should reflect, like when he smacks back the orb in oot

as a ganon main, i want to see warlock punch remade into a projectile ganon would be so much better if he had a reliable way to contest with projectile characters, so a projectile of his own is the best option

What about rest because flower damage

@@Billbobs678 how much damage does the flower damage do?

@@Qwaylix I know that the rest and flower does over 70 but still not sure about just how much

bill bobs hmm hero can stack so much stuff and in theory I think I’ve seen a video where they managed to do over 500%.... plus thwack exist as a chance for a one hit kill so idk how you would rate that in damage...

@@Qwaylix well tru I saw a vid where G and W does 600% against icies and twack basicly only does 3 percent so yeah