The BIG Problem with Running as You Get Older (NOT WHAT YOU THINK)

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James Dunne

James Dunne

Жыл бұрын

If you want to learn how to run faster as you get older, I've got some powerful running tips for you which will keep you improving as a runner year after year. These tips for older runners will help to prevent running injuries and will help you to run faster as an older runner.
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ABOUT ME: I'm James Dunne, a runner, sports rehabilitation therapist (similar to physical therapist) and coach based in the UK (Norwich and London).
Since 2007 I've been working with athletes focusing specifically on helping distance runners and triathletes overcome injury and improve performance through developing their individual running technique.
Running biomechanics and physical therapy are real passions of mine. I love to help runners run strong and stay injury free.
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@sjefbeekmans8070
@sjefbeekmans8070 Жыл бұрын
While I admire James, and the many runners here who achieve remarkable results and are rightfully proud to talk about it, I think anybody running, biking or whatever they do at a later age and at whatever pace they do it, can give themselves a pat on the back. Health is not about how fast you do it. Some are blessed, some can train like machines. But doing it, is a win.
@thepsychologist8159
@thepsychologist8159 Ай бұрын
I'm sure James would agree with the concept of 'something is better than nothing' and he's not implying that just because you can't run (or don't want to run) a marathon that you're not worthy to call yourself a human. As he said "use it or lose it", which means, exercise, use your muscles, and do it consistently (especially as you get older).
@tigerjazz61
@tigerjazz61 Жыл бұрын
I just started running this year at age 61. In my younger days (35 years ago) I was heavy into competitive cycling. Well, after demands from family and career mounted up I drifted away from most sports/physical activity. I'm now proud to say that I have begun a consistent health and exercise training program now which includes much running. I am training for and planning to run some local 5K and 10K runs in the spring of 2023. it's never too late to start!!
@robertwright88
@robertwright88 Жыл бұрын
I’m 65 and run 22 minute 5km park runs. At the other end of the scale I run ultras - recently did 100 miles in just over 24 hours. It’s all about mindset and commitment, not age.
@irritablearchitect
@irritablearchitect Жыл бұрын
Although I'm nursing an injury currently, two months ago I ran a local 5K and most people were amazed that at 49, I pulled down an 18:14, finishing second overall. Honestly, yes, I was pleased with that time, but felt I could have gone faster and knew that putting in a bit more training over the 12 weeks leading up to it probably would have made the difference; Like you said, commitment.
@mikelldaley9078
@mikelldaley9078 Жыл бұрын
and blessed with not breaking down
@mikelldaley9078
@mikelldaley9078 Жыл бұрын
XCELLENT
@OrangePony75
@OrangePony75 Жыл бұрын
I’m a 47 former couch potato that just took jogging last June and just reached my first 5k in 40mins. You’re an inspiration!
@williamdemott7731
@williamdemott7731 Жыл бұрын
When I was 20, my 5k was right at 15:00. Now that I am 74, I am trying to get under 24:00. There is no way that I could do 10-mile training runs in under one hour, like when I was young. I now have a lot of time for training but can't run every day. Fortunately, I also enjoy biking and usually get at least two hard rides per week, more when I have minor running injuries. I am trying to build back some power by strength training, lifting heavier weights while trying to avoid injury. Plyometrics during strength workouts seem important.
@markwigglesworth6960
@markwigglesworth6960 Жыл бұрын
I am 65 next month and have been running 7 days/week for most of this year - averaging about 110km per week. I do a tempo workout on Tuesday, a track workout on Thursday, and a long run on Saturday. What has helped me is REALLY SLOWING down my recovery runs Mon/Wed/Fri AND I get a huge amount of sleep! I also do strength training at least 4 times/week (twice with weights) . Just finished a marathon where I ran 3:14 so seems to be working.
@jimclayton7375
@jimclayton7375 7 ай бұрын
NICE TO HERE THIS MARK 3:10 MARATHON HERE BUT HAVE COMPLETELY LOST MY SPEED
@massmouth
@massmouth 4 ай бұрын
Respect; great marathon time for anyone
@unknowpeople1614
@unknowpeople1614 Ай бұрын
@markwiggleworth6960.... You're 65 and running a 3:14 FM....you must be kidding.I will be 60 and struggling to do a sub4....😂😂😂
@mikevaldez7684
@mikevaldez7684 Ай бұрын
@Mrswigglesworth6969, I can run a marathon in that time already & only put in 40k a week, not ur ridiculous 110! The key is quality workouts, but you have to get used to lactate, not easy boring 60-70mile weeks!😁
@mikevaldez7684
@mikevaldez7684 Ай бұрын
@@unknowpeople1614 That's because you haven't the genetic talent. Give it up & stick to what you know, writing inane comments on KZfaq 😁☠️
@alanshrimpton6787
@alanshrimpton6787 Жыл бұрын
59 in October, Average 60km/week 5 runs and just got my PB sub 3h14m marathon. Very happy with that thank you. Yes, strength once or twice a week at home.
@7gibbens
@7gibbens Жыл бұрын
Thanks James. Exactly what I do at 59. I average 300km a week on the bike and run every third day which seems to be the sweet spot for not getting injured. So far this year I have managed a sub 20, 5k and a sub 40, 10k. I have ridden at least 100km per week for the past seven years and find this gives me a great aerobic base without getting injured. 7 to 8 hours sleep per night and no hormone therapies. Thanks for thinking of us oldies. 😊🚴‍♂️🏃‍♂️🇦🇺👍
@50Something
@50Something Жыл бұрын
That's impressive Mark? I'm only been running for 2 years and just started riding my bike for this reason but so far my lower back and shoulders are not too happy🤣. I will continue however because I'm working different muscle groups and getting a relaxing aerobic workout at the same time! I'm trying to prepare for my first marathon at 55😬
@shanewilson199
@shanewilson199 Жыл бұрын
Mate, inspirational. I’m 57 and just started running again after an 8 week lay off with a torn calf… never had one before, so it was a surprising. Have a good one.
@tanvictor6175
@tanvictor6175 Жыл бұрын
Mark you inpired me ! I might try your method , i am 56 and still struggle make sub 29 for my 5K
@kathleencook3060
@kathleencook3060 Жыл бұрын
Vintage! Gets better with age!
@7gibbens
@7gibbens Жыл бұрын
@@PoetWithPace All my life to varying degrees, but not so much in my 40s and 50s. Just started preparing for the over 60 masters games, 800m/1500m. Thanks for your kind words 😊🇦🇺🏃‍♂️🚴‍♂️
@leecromer3289
@leecromer3289 Жыл бұрын
My fastest 5k a year ago was 38 minutes, since losing a stone and a half and doing intermittent fasting I’m now down to 24:30, oh and I’m 65…
@austinado16
@austinado16 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic! Keep having fun with it, and keep up the great work!
@funkydisciple
@funkydisciple Жыл бұрын
Wow, nice one. How often During the week do you run and for how long?
@devohnmitchell
@devohnmitchell Жыл бұрын
Good job
@shashikolar
@shashikolar Жыл бұрын
Wow. This is fantastic.
@philippedossantos3884
@philippedossantos3884 Жыл бұрын
That's such an impressive improvement, congratulations and keep the work buddy!
@oscargine9384
@oscargine9384 Жыл бұрын
I'm now 66. Retired and running again after several years without doing so due to working constraints. I'm having some gymn training and running four times per week, for about 50 km/week, three sessions of easy run and one of intervals and I'm feeling (and getting) better every single day.
@mmgibson1
@mmgibson1 Жыл бұрын
I am also in the 50 and older club - I'm going to be 59 in a few months. I'd had to add more yoga and stretching over the years than I did when I was in my 20's, but it is quite satisfying to still be so flexible and strong at my age while others are lining up for joint replacements or taking more medication. I sleep more now, too - I am very rarely up after 9, which seemed like it was still too early to be in bed when I was younger. It has all definitely been paying off.
@herbiegobananas1744
@herbiegobananas1744 Ай бұрын
Loving all the comments, great work people ! I’m 56, started running two years ago, done loads of half’s now training for my first full marathon next month. Would not have dreamt it was possible before I got sober. It’s such a joy, feel very lucky, running has given me so much it’s unreal Keep on keeping on good people !
@user-qj5xl4hy5q
@user-qj5xl4hy5q Ай бұрын
I've been running since my mid 20s and I'm now 68. I ran all my PBs at 5K, 10K, Half Marathon and Marathon at the age of 41 😊
@dougkennedy3295
@dougkennedy3295 Жыл бұрын
Tommy Hughes trains like a 1970s runner. He runs about 100 miles a week. During the week, he'll run 7 miles in the AM, goes to work 8 hours, then runs 9 miles in the PM. Long run is about 16 miles, and he'll push the pace on the long run if he's feeling good. Anyone who can handle that kind of training in their 60s is going to be very successful in their division.
@mikefaber3567
@mikefaber3567 Жыл бұрын
It always seems to me underneath it all is no shortcuts I honestly think it's more about mentally keeping going and not giving up at least to a certain point. I also have a hunch that if you start running later in life or take a serious break like a decade or so in between serious running it increases the odds you are a high performance older runner.
@mikefaber3567
@mikefaber3567 Жыл бұрын
@@PoetWithPace 3 years and same with me occasionally if it's a less competitive race I can win or top 3 but usually I'm an age grouper. I started running in 2019 never ran in HS or college. Maybe it's the low miles on your legs if you start older.
@mikefaber3567
@mikefaber3567 Жыл бұрын
I'm 47 forgot to add that.
@SteffiReitsch
@SteffiReitsch Жыл бұрын
And crippled from worn out knees and then have to get knee replacement surgery. STUPID!!! The old smokers will be laughing.
@peterlee208
@peterlee208 Жыл бұрын
No magic sauce here. Volume volume volume. U gotta put the miles in.
@patriceb9535
@patriceb9535 Жыл бұрын
63 years old and training for my first 10K. I remind myself that I need to listen to my body and know when to say when! I started with yoga 2+ years ago and it increased my strength and flexibility, and practically eliminated any neck stiffness/soreness and nighttime leg/calf/toe cramps are behind me! Yoga is amazing. I follow the Budd Coates breathing and training and have recently added James' 12 minute strength training before cooling down after a run. Like others have said, just keep moving!
@ppmppm7010
@ppmppm7010 Жыл бұрын
Started running at 63 when i was told i had c o p d started with park run the a couple of 10s the did 2 half marathons 4 weeks apart. The running community is the most positive and supportive bunch of people you could meet i find now at 70 the biggest challenge is motivation but would still like to do a marathon
@benhur1959
@benhur1959 Жыл бұрын
Summed up very well James, I am 65, have concentrated on strength training for some years now, and I am still running consistently.
@cindyscott8470
@cindyscott8470 Жыл бұрын
I am a recovering high hamstring injury runner. I added in strength training and I am amazed how well my body responds. I attribute that to years of fitness and tons of foam rolling. Thank you for your videos James Dunne they have helped immensely.
@reieli87
@reieli87 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the wise content and wisdom keeping us running through time 🤞, keep up the great content 😊
@oldmandice2731
@oldmandice2731 Жыл бұрын
I'll be 60 next year. I've found I need a bit more recovery time than I used to. So now I have a 2 days on, 1 day rest/recovery, and a 2 week on, 1 week rest/recovery schedule. I also, when I'm able, try to splt up my workouts into one 1 hour effort (usually in the morning) and one 1/2 hour effort (usually in the evening). Additionally I have replaced some runs with swimming and cycling (I am looking at possibly doing Triathlons). Since adopting this training schedule my workouts have been of much higher quality and I've seen some incredible gains. I can't stress enough how inportant rest/recovery is as you get older.
@marksip01234
@marksip01234 Жыл бұрын
Good point. I am a runner and cyclist aged 61 - yesterday did our club 100 mile rode incorporating some tough climbs. I am worn out and need at least 36 hours of recovery, with just light strength training at most. But last April managed Brighton marathon in 4 hrs, so pleased with that - strength traning and HIIT helps i say
@beamsgr
@beamsgr Жыл бұрын
Strength training generally requires more than just body weight exercises. Your body needs to be overloaded so that it is forced to grow/retain muscle in reaction to that overloading. This generally requires using weights, preferably heavier weights for moderate repetitions of 5-10. Also, once a week is unlikely to be sufficient. Most programs require at least 2 days a week and preferably 3 days a week, even if you just focus on the primary lifts. Intensive sprint training can be a form of overloading the muscle but achieving a high enough level of intensity is key. There are a lot of studies available that show limiting your exercise to running (or similar long, steady forms of exercise) will not stop the decline in performance. If your younger self had not yet achieved your physical potential then you can continue to improve as you age (lose weight, improve VO2 Max, etc.) but at some point your improved physical self will meet the impacts of age related performance decline. A program of intelligent running, weight lifting (strength training), sufficient recovery and proper diet can allow you to continue to improve and train well past 60+.
@arcticeuropean5521
@arcticeuropean5521 Жыл бұрын
True that you want to work in a low rep range, but thats possible with body weight training as well. Just use harder variants, i.e. one-leg squats, archer squats/push-ups etc.
@beamsgr
@beamsgr Жыл бұрын
​@@arcticeuropean5521 I completely agree on the variants and in using weights I highly recommend athletes vary their movements. Unfortunately my experience has been that the athlete's musculature will adapt to even the hardest body weight variant we can create. The athlete needs to increase the intensity of the movement without increasing the repetitions and in my experience that means adding weights. If the athlete is only rotating through a variety of body weight exercises and never increasing the intensity beyond their body weight then they are unlikely to realize all of the benefits that strength training can provide in terms of improving their overall performance. This is especially true in older athletes where sarcopenia, lower protein synthesis, lower testosterone production, etc., are also in play.
@tc485
@tc485 Жыл бұрын
Totally agree! My aerobic capacity is fine, I just don't have the muscle strength or reactivity as before. I now incorporate full body weight training following the Arthur Jones(Nautilus founder) philosophy of intensity and max weight for only one set per exercise. I am 66 and believe that this will be key to my running going forward.
@thepsychologist8159
@thepsychologist8159 Ай бұрын
"Strength training generally requires more than just body weight exercises" - I only do body weight exercises. Suits me fine and as brought down my HM and Marathon times by a lot.
@h50herman
@h50herman Ай бұрын
I was 65/66 and ran 2 marathons (Rotterdam/Amsterdam) in 4:40 and 4:30.
@StephenJReid
@StephenJReid Жыл бұрын
Tommy Hughes is a local legend and amazing to watch. He has what looks like a slow painful gait, but somehow is still incredibly fast doing it.
@rickdalbey6009
@rickdalbey6009 Жыл бұрын
I used to run. really enjoyed it, running along the Willamette river at lunch time for 3 to 7 miles a day. But all that pounding takes its toll. Now I workout with weights, walk on a treadmill at a fast pace for 30 minutes and swim. 4-5 days a week. I am 72.
@mikelldaley9078
@mikelldaley9078 Жыл бұрын
very good . after great running and racing inow bike 3000 miles n summer. do wghts year round. i am 78. loved the run. but we all slow down and wear out. but can still enjoy
@martinnewcombe6088
@martinnewcombe6088 Жыл бұрын
Great advice, I'm 49 and have now dropped one of my running days to do strength/ mobility instead and make sure I have one day of complete rest per week. I'm far more consistent that I have been in a long time due to the changes and in fact feel much stronger on the runs for it.
@mikelldaley9078
@mikelldaley9078 Жыл бұрын
good !
@philipmcluskey6805
@philipmcluskey6805 Жыл бұрын
well said sir. this is all put in one place- and the best advice on youtube
@gtretroworld
@gtretroworld Жыл бұрын
Nicely put together piece there James,thanks 👍
@reygun3726
@reygun3726 Жыл бұрын
I always watch your vids, James. They're so helpful. I'm not sure if you have a video about what to do when you encounter pain during/after running (what to do with pulsating headache, etc.). I hope you can make one. Thank you and more power! 😊
@reygun3726
@reygun3726 Жыл бұрын
@@PoetWithPace thank you. I hope this will help me. Take care and enjoy running 😊
@drahcirnevarc9152
@drahcirnevarc9152 8 ай бұрын
The big problem for me as a nearly 60yo moderately-enthusiastic very amateur runner has always been Achilles injuries, however I seem to have fixed this in the last 18 months or so by learning to run heel-to-toe rather than on the balls of my feet.
@markthomasson5077
@markthomasson5077 Жыл бұрын
66, hoping to complete the Ben Nevis Ultra at my second attempt this year. I don’t normally have rest days as such, just do short very slow recovery runs. My mantra is lots of long and slow, some faster short bursts mixed in. Walk as soon as you feel a niggle, in fact walk a short way every, say 10 minutes. Ideally don’t run on the road, just gives repetitive strain injuries.
@grounded4845
@grounded4845 Жыл бұрын
Glad I watched it great stuff 👍
@cindyscott8470
@cindyscott8470 Жыл бұрын
love this so helpful. Over 60 still running!
@DMGC529
@DMGC529 Жыл бұрын
Great advice James, good video. The 10 day to 2 week cycle is a key idea, rate it! I remember reading a study about the biggest loss of power/stride length occurring around the calf complex.
@trainwellracewell
@trainwellracewell Жыл бұрын
Can’t underestimate the value of quality nutrition as well. We hurt ourselves so often but what we put into our mouths. High nutrient density will allow us to recover well and decrease unnecessary inflammation throughout the body
@acmscm4893
@acmscm4893 Жыл бұрын
Hi James. How would you space out legs workout in the gym and speed training/long run days
@belindabernard1276
@belindabernard1276 Жыл бұрын
Very helpful info, im 56 running 40 miles per week for many many years .
@Photoshopuzr
@Photoshopuzr Жыл бұрын
thanks man.
@kellynicholson2706
@kellynicholson2706 Жыл бұрын
Love this…ty
@MW-ty1dv
@MW-ty1dv Жыл бұрын
James , this vid is just what I needed having recently given up on running due to frequent niggley injuries Can you define easy run and long run for a fairly fit 60+ person. Thanks
@wanderingquestions7501
@wanderingquestions7501 Жыл бұрын
Thank you!!
@JamesDunne
@JamesDunne Жыл бұрын
You're welcome!
@clongownian1
@clongownian1 Жыл бұрын
Good advice. I'm 66. I do strength training three days a week and run three days a week. Monday is my recovery day. I'm still doing sub 3:40 marathons. I'm doing Boston in April and hope to do a sub 3:30.
@thepsychologist8159
@thepsychologist8159 Ай бұрын
1 year later, how did you go at the Boston Marathon? Did you achieve a sub-3:30?
@clongownian1
@clongownian1 Ай бұрын
@thepsychologist8159 Nope! It was one of those days where my legs felt heavy right from the start. I hoped, with the largely downhill first half of the course, they would improve. It didn't happen. The whole thing became a mental, as well as a physical challenge. My adductors started cramping after 32k. I'd never experienced that before. I ended up doing 3:48. In the circumstances, I was really pleased. I've done Chicago and London since. Still not breaking 3:30. I'll be 68 doing Berlin in September. At this stage, I have to accept that the goal now is to do all 6, 7 when Sydney is confirmed, Majors, and forget about target times. I'll just enjoy it. Thank you for taking the time to follow up.
@thepsychologist8159
@thepsychologist8159 Ай бұрын
@@clongownian1 Were your legs heavy because you may have over-trained before the race? I ask this because even though I've been running for years, just recently I made the mistake of trying to squeeze in some extra last-week training and I paid for it on race day.
@runningbeard7380
@runningbeard7380 Жыл бұрын
Here's some unsolicited advice from a former frequent Boston qualifier to those wishing to run well their whole lives. 1. Does your biomechanics suck? Get a coach and hear the unfiltered truth... it's essential that you have good form just like an Olympic lifter for example, learning the clean and jerk. Form is essential to safety and performance. 2. Not everyone is cut out for long distance running. Maybe the sweet spot for you are 5k's, not ultra's, and that's fine. Don't treat the marathon with disrespect by making it a "bucket" list item to mark off. It can be brutal on your body and joints. 3. You are only as good a runner as your feet, achilles, calves and knees. Treat them well. Do strength training specifically geared towards improving these areas.
@AndreasJohanns
@AndreasJohanns Жыл бұрын
At 56, I really appreciate the advise (the two-week schedule). I've been running most of my life, so now I'm rather addicted to the endorphins. However, I've started biking out 6 miles, then running 3/4 hard, and biking back. Two observations: (1) I need to be outside for the mental health effect; (2) the bike-run-bike usually increases my VO-2 number (47), before it drops a point, again.
@tc485
@tc485 Жыл бұрын
Reactivity as we age is a key component of slowing down. It is important to add into your weekly running routine a series of 100M pickups as well as any other exercises such as bounding to increase this reactivity.
@Thegreat772
@Thegreat772 Жыл бұрын
I'm 38 and have gone down to 2 days a week. I don't feel any aches or pians now. I'm hoping to increase this again to 3 or 4 and see how we go.
@victorflores6349
@victorflores6349 Жыл бұрын
maybe i missed it, but did you mention loss of 'range of motion'? ... you know, elasticity?? i'm 64 and if i dont stretch -touch toes' every day, the ability quickly goes away to the point that if i dont do it for a week, i simply cannot touch my toes, and have to keep working on it till its back. its a daily fight . . . a daily LOSING fight, but i rather go fighting.
@JA-gx4hb
@JA-gx4hb Жыл бұрын
I could never touch my toes, even when running track in high school. Nearly 50 years later, I still run pretty good.
@And-rc9yy
@And-rc9yy Жыл бұрын
I'm 50, I'm from the UK where I would run on roads. Now I live in Kaptagat, Kenya. I now run twice a day 6 days a week at altitude. The main difference is that I now run on softer clay roads. I also get a weekly deep massage and do plenty of stretching.
@gazza2933
@gazza2933 Жыл бұрын
I am 68 and recently ran 5km in 29mins 36secs. I respect your advice James but I believe it is a psychological situation. 'Age is just a number' My main problem is doing a long warm up before a Parkrun and then waiting to start. I tend to start a run cold and that works for me I also cycle which helps. 👍
@mikelldaley9078
@mikelldaley9078 Жыл бұрын
excellent ! howver age happens anyway...
@homealtitudetrainingoxyhoo3484
@homealtitudetrainingoxyhoo3484 Жыл бұрын
I ran 17.04 for a 5k at the age of 50 , now at the age of 56 I can barely break 30 mins 😢
@CSRunner7
@CSRunner7 Жыл бұрын
Great advice. I’m in my forties and trying to do more hip flexor stretches and deep squats etc during my day. Like the idea of 2 week training cycle so will try that. Another thing I’d recommend that works for me is buying more shiny new shoes and training gear 👍😁
@maxbyrne851
@maxbyrne851 Жыл бұрын
In your 40s Your only a youngfella mate
@halley4032
@halley4032 Жыл бұрын
I agree with the new gear, always makes me go faster 😂😂
@anthonyk5515
@anthonyk5515 Жыл бұрын
Yep, a 7-day training cycle doesn't fir in enough rest. At age 50, I'd say 10-14 days every time now. When I was in my 20s though...
@kathleencook3060
@kathleencook3060 Жыл бұрын
@@maxbyrne851 Whipper Snipper! (Youngster)
@mikelldaley9078
@mikelldaley9078 Жыл бұрын
add biking
@donmann6482
@donmann6482 Жыл бұрын
After 25+ years of running I am now starting to sustain injuries that are frustrating and not responding to sensible solutions. I enjoy and have increased time on my bike, in the pool and in the gym yet my running schedule has ground to a halt.
@donmann6482
@donmann6482 Жыл бұрын
I am 70 years old by the way and envious of those that continue well into their 80’s.
@danielfrancis3660
@danielfrancis3660 26 күн бұрын
I thought the old man shuffle was a dance! Continue strength and cardio as you get older. Don't stop!
@johnkennett3265
@johnkennett3265 Жыл бұрын
BALANCE! I appreciate this viseo stressing alternate days for running and strength days. At age 80 I was haphazardly pushing daily attempts at maximum effort cardio all out effort. Leaving no steam left for a same day strength workout. I have begun adding DISTANCE and effort on running days. With alternate "SAFER" Cables overall Body building days emphasis on Legs! Last year at age 79 while shoulder pressing a barbell I lost footing and the bar slamming my spine on concrete floor. I emphasized recovery at home. No drugs, mostly vegetable diet. Now age 80 I have safer high and low bedroom cable and weights set up.
@loulew07
@loulew07 Жыл бұрын
We cannot train to get younger but can train to keep from feeling older. " Fine line between fitness and health " Dr Maffetone . Damaged hearts , hips, knees , feet and back , torn hamstrings and quads and injuries and illness that will come to those who try to train to keep young . Close friend who is a cardio othro rehab RN 30+ yrs . Its better to go slow in training , than not at all . Training for my 10th Ironman age 65 in my 35 season . Health is #1 fitness #2
@moosefactory133
@moosefactory133 Жыл бұрын
At age 24 I ran a 10K run in 44 minutes 32 seconds. Now at age 65 it will take me 96 minutes, or at least the last time I clocked my speed which was very recent. I will be running a 10 K race in a week from today and should be happy that I can still run but have to admit that I miss the days of my youth when it seem like I could run for long distances and not get tired.
@cathynewyork7918
@cathynewyork7918 5 ай бұрын
Moose, I also miss the days when I could run for long distances and not get tired, or do mountain-hiking all day and not get tired. --- from a 73 year old "still running" old lady
@gbone7581
@gbone7581 Ай бұрын
The older I get, the faster I was!
@shahid8545
@shahid8545 Жыл бұрын
Father time is humbling for sure. I'm 43 and definitely feel that I'm not quite 20yrs old anymore lol. Everything I do now requires real thought like "Is it wise to run today, I feel a bit achy" and you start to realize you simply can't load up like you used to and nagging injuries can set you back and ruin gains. I dealt with a wicked case of plantar Fascitis last year which last almost 2. I took like 5 months off last winter just to heal up some nagging injuries and I cant seem to put up great mileage anymore because of these soreness in my lower back I get after I'm about 1.5km into my 5 and 8K runs and I find that my back inflames fast after a couple days removed from my sprint sessions.
@maciejguzek3442
@maciejguzek3442 Жыл бұрын
Fellow 42 yo here. Do NOT allow yourself to take months (even weeks) off your training because of an injury which doesn't let you run. There are dozens of non-impact activities (ellipticals, stairmasters, rowing machines, stationary bikes etc) that are equally great efforts while hugely less straining your body. You can be in perfect shape without running at all. At some point in life it is important to just be healthy and in good shape, NOT chasing your dream of breaking some result in a discipline which keeps giving you injuries.
@Fedor007
@Fedor007 Жыл бұрын
cross training, cycling 2-3 long rides at 135 bpm as recovery + gym once a week shoud be enough to build the base strenght and endurance
@gainde1137
@gainde1137 9 ай бұрын
in short: 3-4 times runs per week (approx. half an hour) plus 1x strength training
@victorgarciavargas8056
@victorgarciavargas8056 Жыл бұрын
Running, unlike any other sport, makes you feel strong, lively, and healthy.
@grahamnewton4381
@grahamnewton4381 Ай бұрын
I ran for over 50 years, 10ks to marathons and only gave up after a hip replacement because running is not advisable if you want the hip to last. Now 74 I do a lot of fast pace walking, hill walking and do mostly strength exercises 3 or 4 times a week in the gym. Also cardio in the gym if the weather is too bad. I find that there are periods where I feel 30 again but some when I feel 74. I listen to my body much more and allow myself to recover if necessary. A lot of it is in the mind but when you have been good ( although not brilliant) you have to accept being good for your age. You can’t compete with what you were. I will keep going until I physically can’t but will only do it by accepting the realistic constraints of age and injuries focusing on what I can still do not on what I can no longer do.
@anthonyk5515
@anthonyk5515 Жыл бұрын
A key thing in injury prevention is to listen to your body. Aged 50 now, I ask, 'Will this run give me something, or take something away?' Be honest and realistic. Every 3-4 months I take 7-10 days off, if I feel the need or not. I'm convinced it's kept a multitude of sins away.
@Kelly_Ben
@Kelly_Ben Жыл бұрын
I love that question, thanks!
@jayrolandsb
@jayrolandsb Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@slickdick6969
@slickdick6969 Жыл бұрын
how do i pay u
@JamesDunne
@JamesDunne Жыл бұрын
Thanks, James! That’s very kind. I appreciate the support.
@gregs3301
@gregs3301 Жыл бұрын
James what do you think about hormonal therapies like TRT? I can see guys in 50s on Strava posting amazing pics with jacked bodies and very fast times winning races and age categories. Clearly they are on hormonal therapies not even sure if TRT is legal in pro sport?
@kc3718
@kc3718 Жыл бұрын
i'm in my 50's a glad i did all the long and fast stuff, when i was young, it's nice jsut to enjoy the exercise without the need to prove or push too much, more about health than ego.
@alexcordero6672
@alexcordero6672 Жыл бұрын
I find it interesting when I hear runners say, "when I was in my twenties...." I was in my 20s at one point, and my thirties and tried to run but it just wasn't there there. Suddenly, here I am at 57 and I'm running faster and better than in my youth--what happened?
@leonardoiglesias2394
@leonardoiglesias2394 Жыл бұрын
Strange thing, yes. Maybe we know our bodies better and can adjust in a more effective way. Young people tend to do too much suddenly or not enough during too long periods. Older people are more regular. They are afraid of doing too much and of doing nothing as well…maybe.
@petechampion297
@petechampion297 Жыл бұрын
Probly more maturity & our mental attitude gets better as we age up
@PeterReefman
@PeterReefman Ай бұрын
Good video - I'm 54 now, and am stupidly consistent. 14km per day, hell or high-water with a 20 to 30 k run on Sat or Sunday. One of those weekday runs will be with effort, but the rest Z2 or Z3. But.... My top speed has gone. I use to be able to do efforts at around 3.20 per km, these days If I can get near 3.40 I'm doing VERY well. Also, I can't vary the weekday runs as much. In my 30's I'd be 10km one day, 20 the next, etc. These days that's just getting difficult to maintain week in, week out. But I'm still happy where I'm at. My "fast" days are done, but still love getting out there to run and be 100% alive.
@Ice-Fall
@Ice-Fall Жыл бұрын
Running is great, especially if you can still run from danger, but running does not do the one thing that your lower body need, strength in the full range of motion. In other words, being able to go ass to grass, even if it is only with body weight. This motion keeps your knees, ankles, and hips stronger and more pliable. But most importantly, hip extension suffers the most as you age, and without hip extension, it becomes harder to even stand erect correctly, let alone walk correctly. If you want the impact of what strong glutes can do, just for walking, do some heavy hip extension exercises, then go for a walk, preferably on a grade in both inclinations. You should actually feel your glutes firing away, as you maintain an upright body position while walking. Myself, I prefer strength training, to overcome sarcopenia, because having the muscle to ensure mobility in the fullest range of motion, with strength is important. But, it is also good to be able to run away from danger, if necessary.
@SanderBessels
@SanderBessels Ай бұрын
I’m 43 and running for about 13 years now and every year I’ve broken my PB on the 10 km. I started with 45:19 in the first year and broke 40:00 when I was 35. Now I’m at 36:52, but I think I can break into the 35:xx on a good day and after some weeks of consistent high quality training. I will probably get slower at some point, but that point is not there yet!
@sedgieroobets
@sedgieroobets Жыл бұрын
I can only run once per week due to chronic shin splints I've had all my life. But I am finding I can still improve my 5km and 10km speed over longer training cycles even just running once per week. One week I do a tough intervals session and the next week a long (10km +) aerobic run. I am a triathlete so I supplement with plenty of cycling and swimming and try to do at least one strength session per week (though 2 would be better!). I'm 56 and recently ran a sub 22m 5km. Aiming for sub 20m soon! 😊
@lineialquantum
@lineialquantum Жыл бұрын
Have you tried KT tape for your shin splints?
@sedgieroobets
@sedgieroobets Жыл бұрын
@@lineialquantum I haven't, so I'll try that. Thank you.😊
@breadanwine
@breadanwine Жыл бұрын
I took up running in lockdown - 28th March 2020, at the age of 82, running around a 20yd track in my garden. Within 3 months I felt able to challenge myself to run 10k every day for 10 days - at the end of June. I actually did 110k in the ten days, because I got stronger during the challenge. My secret? Well there's 2, really - firstly I'm a vegan, running on plant based nutrition; secondly, I do a lot of press ups. When I turned 80, to keep myself on track, I challenged myself to do 1 million press ups before my 90th birthday. So at the time, I was doing 1000 every three days. Now I do ultra marathons - 4 so far - and again, I've challenged myself to do 100 ultras before my 100th birthday. #GoVegan for the win!
@mikelldaley9078
@mikelldaley9078 Жыл бұрын
excellent
@andreacavaliere884
@andreacavaliere884 Жыл бұрын
I need to raise my game! Amazing and well done
@graphite282
@graphite282 Жыл бұрын
Sir, you are an inspiration. At 66 I felt toooo old to try. But I did start with yoga , walking. Then I moved into brief jogging. Now I can jogg pretty ok and am hoping to run soon. Yes the body takes time to gear up but it does eventually. I look to guys like you for inspiration when I feel like giving up. Thanks.
@breadanwine
@breadanwine Жыл бұрын
Well done mate! Feels good doesn’t it?
@markmurray6039
@markmurray6039 Жыл бұрын
The very successful runners over 50 in my training group are not reducing there mileage or frequency of quality days. My experience in my 50's (I'll be 60 in November) is that my body continues to adapt well to running most days (13 days every 2 weeks), moderate mileage (64-72 mi/wk), and approximately 5 quality sessions every 2 weeks. Over the last decade, this regime has delivered 1 or 2 marathons annually in the sub/2:50 range, including a 2:47 at 59. Agree about adding strength and activation sessions.
@AvsFan32
@AvsFan32 Жыл бұрын
*their
@Docinaplane
@Docinaplane Ай бұрын
I was born to run. I went for a 30 year period running most every day (I missed a handful of days when on call or international flights) I've run well over 125K miles. I just wanted to point out a runner you show later in the video running on asphalt and heel striking. That a good recipe for plantar fasciitis. Never heel strike.
@timsherman1245
@timsherman1245 6 ай бұрын
I'm' 56 years old doing 2x a week 10k run and weight training 3x a week. so in total is 5 days work out and 2 days rest. Am i doing it to much or should i lower to just 4x a day with 3 days recovery day? Sorry for asking .
@locorunner
@locorunner Жыл бұрын
I came in second after Tommy Hughes at London with a time of 2:50. I had never heard of Tommy Hughes until London. I thought for sure i had the age group win. 😊Tommy Hughes is an outlier and in a league of his own. I typically average about 55-60 miles per week in my training for a marathon. I have been trying to increase my mileage to 100 but it is so hard trying to get 2 runs per day - especially in the Texas heat! In the end, there is a point where i think my body can not go any faster - no matter how many miles i put in my training. I'm not a fast runner but can sustain a faster pace for a longer run/race. I can barely run 1 mile at 5:45 (2:30 marathon), let alone for 26.2 like Tommy.
@laguna8211
@laguna8211 Ай бұрын
I am 42 and I have been running for last 1.5 years. I only run 5ks 4-5 times per week. Instead, I also do 1 hour full body Tabatha workout EVERY SINGLE DAY. I also quitted watching smartphones and TVs 30 minute before I go to sleep and I go to bed and sleep sharply at 00:00am no matter what. I also manage my diet with occasional 16:8 intermittent fasting. Result? I have LOTS of muscles in my leg and thigh now and I run with 440/km pace at 7am morning with ZONE 3 heart rate.m: before run, I wake up sharply at 6:00 am and I start Tabatha workout less than in 5 minutes for 1 hour. THEN I start my work at 9am and I am very much invincible. You want to run longer and faster as you get older? Then trust me, you really have to TONS of Reinforcement Exercises instead of running for longer distances. Life is long. Don't try to run far too much; do LOTS of full body muscle exercises instead. Records will follow you eventually. You are NOT competing against anyone except against yourself.
@alancran7612
@alancran7612 4 ай бұрын
I am 69 and I have been running for over 50 years. I am still running but for the last 10 years I have been doing a mixture of running and training in gym with weights etc. I train every day. When you get older it is very important to have good overall muscle definition. and in particular your abs which you do not get if you are only running.
@jimmansi1187
@jimmansi1187 Жыл бұрын
Im 60 & mountain bike, gravel ride 2 or 3 times per week & weight train 3 times per week & feel incredibly good for my age, no drugs or trt needed
@livelearnandteach7402
@livelearnandteach7402 Ай бұрын
Ive found sprinting like youre being chased by a dog very useful.
@zzzmmmjjj
@zzzmmmjjj 10 ай бұрын
Hi, 55 years old, small built, 5'3" about 55 kg. Never exercise or played any sport in the last 35 years. Started walking about 3 to 4km a day since 2018 then increased to about 5km in the last 12 month. I wanted to run so that i can achieved target of 10k steps daily without having to spend 1hour 45minutes walking. A few months back i tried running but only managed to go about 30 meters n my feet hurt. Last 2 weeks managed to run 100 to 150 meters before i felt tired. Now people are saying i should just stay with walking, because running could hurt my joints... not sure if i should consider not to attempt running anymore, any thought is appreciated. I don't have any issues based on my latest full blood test. Thanks.
@ian4iPad2
@ian4iPad2 Жыл бұрын
Is one session of strength training a week better than short daily sessions? I started doing about 15 minutes (four separate exercises, different each day) about a year ago to improve my running, which I think it did. Years back, I did long sessions at the gym and pretty soon it became a drag; really utterly boring; any excuse not to do it. Whereas 15 minutes is the time it takes to brew a good pot of coffee for breakfast; it’s a cinch. I do it both on run days and rest days. I don’t hang about mind, which is what eventually happened with the gym sessions between exercises; I get on with it, get the heart going. Little and often, as they say.
@mohancharles3158
@mohancharles3158 Жыл бұрын
👍💟💖🙋🙌🌹🌹🌹I am some one like all of you! Enjoying running now for more than about 40 yrs!.....Greetings from Colombo Sri Lanka with love for all people of good WILL! Have a blessed life with continuous running!😀😇😄
@randystockton624
@randystockton624 Жыл бұрын
I'm 57 and going to start running every other day. I do a lot of hill running but not fast just take my time and keep my heart rate up if I get to tired I walk about 50 yards and start running again. or when the heat is high like 85 or hotter and the humidity is high and in northeast Georgia summer time it's like a sauna room u just have to push and eventually your body gets condition for it and when fall arrives your like THANK GOD. I like summer but this year the heat was over 100 degrees in mid June and the heat index up to 105, 107, and for a old man that's slow running time until the heat drops some.. I do push ups and pull ups but I torn my last muscle on the left side a while back and kept doing them like a hard headed old man because I always done strength training and was worried about losing strength if I stop to heal which was stupid, I know, but I stop for a month and done kettlebell swings and now I feel a lot better..
@kevindecoteau3186
@kevindecoteau3186 Жыл бұрын
Boy is this truth. I am 63, about a year or so ago I was running every other day, then one day my body said, not today and maybe not tomorrow, what a shock and change, no warnings that I was aware of, just my body said one day, I'm done running.
@vincentkosik403
@vincentkosik403 Жыл бұрын
I'm going to be 65 and can honestly say I was NEVER a fast runner and never wanted to be....could call me a trotter... You know what...that's OK ...I work with a bunch of young guys and they are stuck in the chair and their smart phones on their bottom..I go for 5k walks and not one ever wanted to ...with or without my company... Thanks for the tips....I'll use it for my virtual marathon I signed up for I hope to do in 6 hours...cheers..keep moving joints live it
@AncoraImparoPiper
@AncoraImparoPiper Жыл бұрын
So many millions really need to hear this, James. As we get older society conspires to forcibly slow us down. We keep on being told by young and older that we need to 'slow down'. In fact, instead of seeing gyms full of 20 somethings trying to impress each other, the gyms should be bursting at the seams with 40, 50,60, 70 , 80, 90+ year olds, because they need it more any anyone and the benefits are without equal. But instead, most slow down intentionally thinking that this is what we should do. It is a lie and we must not listen to it.
@mikelldaley9078
@mikelldaley9078 Жыл бұрын
but where is the sport after running best times ? it is admirable what u say. but the wear and tear dont stop. there r a lot more old bikers than old runners ...
@AncoraImparoPiper
@AncoraImparoPiper Жыл бұрын
@@mikelldaley9078 The sport after running best times is to keep running best times for as long as you are alive. There is no research that suggests that running wears you out. On the other hand, bikers, being sedentary probably are more likely to have joint issues and cardiovascular diseases. We are born to move and the more we move the better. Let's face it, the vast majority of humanity would rather sit on a bike than walk around the block let alone run the odd marathon.
@mikephalen3162
@mikephalen3162 Жыл бұрын
I disagree. Older people are being told as never before how important it is to stay active.
@AncoraImparoPiper
@AncoraImparoPiper Жыл бұрын
@@mikephalen3162 The medical establishment does give that message, true. But the rest of society, eg. friends, younger folks keep telling older folks to 'slow down'.
@krakhour2
@krakhour2 Ай бұрын
Its because the nursing homes are full of 50,60.70, 80, 90 years olds who continue to eat trash for all 3 meals. The nursing homes tell you that they wont eat healthy food but its costly to serve healthy food so to cut the bottom line the serve cheap ice cream and wieners and fries hardly what a young person could stand
@margaretp867
@margaretp867 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for all your help! I’m 70 and can easily run long runs (10-15 miles) but can’t get my cadence above 140! Why the heck not? Thanks!
@mikelldaley9078
@mikelldaley9078 Жыл бұрын
very good ! but age happens...jus sayin
@ppmppm7010
@ppmppm7010 6 ай бұрын
Yup know it's an old thread but never mind I'm 72 and I'm stuck on 32min 5k park run, I'm going to try knees and heels up higher to lengthen my stride
@noelorellanazacharias5073
@noelorellanazacharias5073 Жыл бұрын
It is very hard for me to start after suffering from pulmonary fibrosis, more than I have to work every day to survive today, I am motivated by watching videos but it is hard this month I am turning 65. Any recommendation
@ois-jy9kl
@ois-jy9kl 9 ай бұрын
Almost 47 years old... still running a 3000m in about 12 minutes... I've been running since 13 years ols... ran 30km at 15.... first marathon at 18.. and ran reguraly 10k in 31 minutes shen i was yonger... I've been running now for 34 years and still loving it 😀🙂
@therapygrind
@therapygrind 11 ай бұрын
Returning to running at 60 after taking 15 years off. Biggest difference I'm noticing is nutritional needs. What I read says as a runner at 60, you need between 1 to 1.5 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight and day, Then I read bumping up your protein intake by 0.5 grams (g) per kilogram (kg) can help stop your muscle mass from declining as you age. Hence I aim for 200 grams of protein /day, only possible for me via getting 100-130 grams / day via protein shakes. I run a daily 35 min 5K and can feel it if I am low on protein (sluggish).
@stargazerbird
@stargazerbird Жыл бұрын
I took up running in my sixties, just hit 70 and my best VO2Max and some PBs for longest run and fastest 5k. I love lifting heavy but with the gyms closing and being a bit dodgy for Covid I stopped all that and just ran. I seem to get away with it. I think your leg muscles grow just doing the running, especially sprints. My legs have a lot more bulk and definition. Still need to do upper body though. Perhaps it should be mentioned that we women have an age advantage. We age more slowly than men, especially if we do HRT. I am catching up to my toy boy husband’s time now and he is 12 my junior. Consistency is the real lesson I take from 4 years of running. It takes years to build fitness from what was a lowish bar and the more often you run the better. Just do recovery runs and a lot of base. I think complicated plans are a real turn off (and I have done some) as life is enough of a disrupter as it is. I like to bolt on the odd sprint to the end of some base runs at least two runs a week. I loath tempo intervals but my Garmin makes me do them and sometimes the teeth gritting stuff has to be done. But if all you do is go out five days a week with the intention of a short slow jog and then do more if you are having fun you will be 90% of the way there. Keep it simple and don’t take too many weeks off for stuff. Sarcopenia happens not as a gradual thing but during time of very low activity like accidents and illness, like for instance, Covid. Avoiding that stuff will have a huge impact on how you age.
@MuhamadRPutra
@MuhamadRPutra 4 ай бұрын
I am 64 years old. Run 6 hours 30 minutes full marathon in Jakarta marathon. I want to be the champion and I am sure I can reach my goal. The biggest chalange for me now is only nutrition since I am jobless so no money to buy good nutrition but still I am sure one day I will become the champion. May god bless me
@claudiushempstead9893
@claudiushempstead9893 3 ай бұрын
According to some health professionals the chair is the new smoking. Get up off it and move at least every twenty minutes. I just high step on the spot. Just 10 or 15 it makes a difference!
@randygeyer7673
@randygeyer7673 Жыл бұрын
I’m at a loss. At 67 I have plenty of muscle mass, can work out 2 hours a day at the gym and walk to and from the gym (4 miles total). Sedentary I am not.
@michaelbrauner
@michaelbrauner Жыл бұрын
In fact, muscle loss with age isn't the big problem, at least not that quickly. Many people simply gain weight as they age. For example, I weighed 60-63kg at 183cm in my 20s. At that time I could run a mountain run (half marathon) in 1:18 without much training. I still smoked from time to time back then. Today I am 40 and I am at 80 kg now. I can do the half marathon (without a hill) in about 1:24. This is fantastic. My body is much stronger than in my 20s. But the 20kg weight slows me down (I'm still slim - nobody would call me even remotely overweight). Of course, this also affects the joints and as you say in your video, the hard loads just hit it much harder when you have to carry around 20kg weight with every step. I have also informed myself. There are studies that show that for every 10kg of body weight lost, you gain about 30sec/km of pace with the same effort. In my case it's even 20kg. That means that since I'm now able to run the halfmarathon with a 4:00min / km pace, I would reach 3:00 / km alone with my weight of 60kg (in a half marathon). This is sub-elite level. And if you consider that not only the pure weight can be calculated, but also the cardiovascular system would be stronger, because fat also has to be supplied with blood, it can be expected that with my current muscle mass and the weight from my 20s - I could even hold almost 2:50/km pace in a half marathon. That's almost world class. So I don't see (at least at my age) the problem in dwindling muscle mass, but I think for many it's simply the increasing body fat percentage.
@maciejguzek3442
@maciejguzek3442 Жыл бұрын
I think your conclusions from the weight/pace relation are way overly optimistic. They for sure apply to the weight that is obsolete; first few kg's lost would transfer to better times, like the studies indicate. But as you said yourself, you are slim not overweight, and you are in good shape. This is now your 'natural' weight. I have serious doubts whether going from 70 to 60 would give you progress as expected in the studies that you quoted.
@mrketo7077
@mrketo7077 7 ай бұрын
Me me me
@joannegailiusfullcirclephy6586
@joannegailiusfullcirclephy6586 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video.....we're 62 and 69 year old runners (me'n'my hubby) and my biggest "notice" is that a 2 week time off (with an upper respiratory virus) required a step back in distance/frequency to restart for me (62). Thankfully daily farm work is our strength training routine!
@cathynewyork7918
@cathynewyork7918 5 ай бұрын
I like your comment about daily farm work being your strength training. A few decades ago I went to a lecture in New York City given by a famous masters runner from Scotland named Derek Turnbull. The moderator asked him what strength work he did in addition to his running workouts. The runner/sheep farmer replied, "Throwing a sheep over a fence." LOL. I do hope he only gently placed the sheep over the fence instead of throwing it - but it was a funny answer! 😀
@bennymud
@bennymud Жыл бұрын
Tommy Hughes is a local legend. i see him running nearly every day. legend
@kevingilhooley2064
@kevingilhooley2064 Жыл бұрын
Love all the comments on here from us older guys....I'm 71 and firmly believe in resistance training if you don't want to lose muscle mass and strength as you get older.I cycle 12km to the Uni every morning park up the bike and run 10k......then cycle back.....in the evening when it's cooler I do my resistance training and have a cool down run of about 3.5 k.....I get my aerobic exercise from Tennis which I also try to fit in somewhere during the day.I take creatine and whey powder as a supplement.If you are not aware of Andrew Huberman he is a neuroscientist who does some fabulous vlogs on the body and how to get the best out of it...recommended viewing.
@Chris-xv2gm
@Chris-xv2gm Ай бұрын
How do you know what it think, twxt?
@raclark2369
@raclark2369 Жыл бұрын
I'm in the "and beyond" category. I prefer to call it the AirBorne Shuffle. 😁😉
@runninggirl2765
@runninggirl2765 Жыл бұрын
I googled "Why do older runners run funny?" and found your video here. I meant "funny" as in stiff, awkward and jerky as I have noticed this in myself and older runners. I was thinking perhaps loss of flexibility is a key here? Range of motion and all that? Can anyone comment and any advice? This is a great video. THANKS!
@vandpiben
@vandpiben Жыл бұрын
my granddad used to run 10 km 6 days a week up untill he was 76. In the morning 20 pushups, 20 squats and 20 back stretched. He also drinks 1 shot of olive oil every day
@krakhour2
@krakhour2 Ай бұрын
This is what i am use to. Gonna do this till i am his age. Will be fun
@paulcarlson4230
@paulcarlson4230 Жыл бұрын
61 yrs old , I run for fun and therapy usually in the forest , not trying for time , 9 miles uns my long day but u do run 5 or 6 days a week lucky so far
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