NCR population = 700,000 Shady Sands population = 35,000 The NCR should still be fine

Maximus said to Lucy that “the bombs dropped 12 years ago”. This confuses her because The Great War was over 200 years ago till he elaborates to say he's talking about Shady Sands. That would put the bomb falling on Shady around 2284 which would be 3 years or so AFTER New Vegas.

season 2 opens with someone erasing the chalk board 2277 and putting the 2282 while smacking a child's knuckles with a yard stick.

Update: todd howard confirmed the "fall of shady sands" is not referring to the nuke. Shady sands was nuked after 2281 and he reiterated that all canon game events including new vegas are not being retconned

One other thing, honestly the ghoul serum is a must bigger deal than maybe getting one date on a chalkboard wrong. Ghouls having to take something to avoid going feral is nowhere in the games that I know of and would be a huge retcon.

One thing that irks me is where is the NCR? You’re telling me the abandoned the boneyard when it’s the biggest city they have?

I believe the listed date, "the fall" is the date lucy and her mother arrived. They lived there for a few years, their dad found them, and then blew it up.

One thing you might of missed or forgotten is the sign for shady sands states “ first capital of the NCR” indicating that it was moved prior to it being nuked. It’s very possible that shady sands economically or otherwise started to fall apart in the year 2277 due to the capital being moved to another city or more likely the war the NCR was waging in Nevada and it’s clearly stated multiple times in new Vegas that the first battle of Hoover dam was extremely costly to the NCR and that took place in 2277. So according to the sign it’s not the capital of the NCR it was only the first one and was moved before the bomb went off and shredded the sign and city.

the reason i don’t find this a problem is because the arrow led to after 2277. the METAPHORICAL fall of the NCR started four years before NV, and past that they got nuked. this show happens 15 years after NV, so the nuke could have dropped any time after NV and before the start of the show in those 15 years. more evidence to this point is that if you talk to anyone who isn’t NCR affiliated in NV, they say that the NCR is stretched thin and failing. or that it’s no better than the legion. it’s like how we give the fall of rome a date(476 CE) but in reality it was failing long before that, and vestiges of the western empire remained for long, long after that. EDIT: after i looked through the lore page for the first battle of hoover dam(which TOOK PLACE IN 2277) president kimbal DID infact send the NCR army to secure the hoover dam. they suffered massive losses! this is the reason for the 2277 date! president kimball basically screwed the NCR by exhausting his troops at the first battle of hoover dam! EDIT 2: to the people saying that oxhorn “debunked this comment”: Ox seems to think that “fall” means bombing or destruction. “fall” implies a process. “fall” means failing over time. and he didn’t debunk it. a downfall of a government is defined by oxford languages as “a loss of power, prosperity, or status.” i watched the video. he ASSUMES that 2277 is the date of the bombing of shady sands. however as QUITE CLEARLY stated in the lore, shady sands still existed in 2281. the arrow points from the boxed text to the bombing and the timeline ends there. an arrow on a timeline means: “and THEN this happened”. if by “fall” they meant “bombing of shady sands” they should(and i believe they would) have said that. so what do we take from that? maybe that there was an event in 2277 that marked the start of a definitive downfall of the NCR? or maybe the show runners made a mistake? i like to have faith in the show runners, they got so much right it seems that such a blatant oversight wouldn’t have slipped past. they were working with todd howard and the fallout team the entire time. this chalkboard was right in our faces, prominently featured, as ox says in the video. i STRONGLY doubt that this was a mistake. i am in no way attacking oxhorn! i would love to hear his response. i learned pretty much everything i know about fallout from ox. and he is one of my favorite youtubers. EDIT 3: to address the point that lucy says that her mother died in the plague of 2277. i offer a possible explanation: baby lucy and her mother left before 2277. lucy may have even been born in shady sands. they were in shady sands for several years as we can see 4 or 5 year old lucy in a flashback. hank then took the children back to vault 33 in 2277. this is when there might have been a plague in vault 33 due to the vault door being opened. this would have been when he told lucy her mother died of the plague as well, even though she was still alive on the surface. over time as hank begins to grow more and more paranoid that lucy’s mother would attempt to breach the vault with the help of the NCR with her pip-boy and is able to see that a nuke to the NCR’s capitol would scatter it, he calls in the bomb. hank is not a reliable narrator, as he is the one who called in the bomb to kill lucy’s mother, so he would have motive to cover this up. and lucy was only a small child so her memory isn’t exactly reliable either. EDIT 4: in response to Ox’s point about the library book in his review: you can see that the dates have several years gaps between them. it goes from 2230 to 224X to 226X to 2274 to 2276. one gap is over 20 years. this only confirms that the destruction occurred after 2276, and not that it occurred in 2277.

It’s entirely possible the date was wrong on the part of the writers and they fucked up the date by accident. Nothing a post release patch can’t fix as is tradition for bethesda

I would place the ages of both Maximus and Lucy around 18-20 being young adults; Lucy just getting old enough to marry and have kids, and Maximus is basicly going though the hazing of a new recruit with the brotherhood. Lucy says she thought the big light on the farm was was the sun up until she was 6 after her mother died, but we later realise that's because that WAS the sun as she was in Shady Sands with her mother in those flashbacks. That means we know that Shady Sands was not bombed yet when she was 5 and given her age that would mean Shady Sands was still around somewhere between 2281-2283. Then when you look back at the flashback of young Maximus i'd say he's around 6-8 so by that estimate the bombs went off between 2282-2286. So going by that reasoning even in the worst the bomb on Shady Sands fell at some point after New Vegas.

In the scene where the ghoul is cutting up Roger. Lucy mentions the “Great Plague” of 77 in her vault. It is then later revealed that her dad Hank was behind the destruction of Shady Sands. I think it make sense that he as overseer put the vault into a shut down “plague” status to go and kill his wife Rose and bring back Lucy. I don’t see why the “great plague” would be in 77 along with the destruction of shady sands on the white board. Hank at the end of the show admits he destroyed shady sands. I think that would point that the bomb did go off in 77.

We can also speculte on what Maximus experienced. When he climbed out of that refrigerator, he looks to be about 7-8 years old. He talked about first-hand experience. If we assume he's around Lucy's age, then subtracting back from 19 the date of the attack is 2284-85.

"Why wouldn't they try to reclaim Shady Sands?" Because it's a 300 foot deep crater.

Shady Sands also magicly teleported hundreads of miles to LA and and is not longer a city built from 0 which begun as an ancient sumer style adobe farming village. Real respect to to canon... so the vaults 13 and 15 must be in LA too or else how would have the vault dweller stumble upon Shady Sands while going from 13 to nearby 15? Does Bethesda want to cram everything into LA due to their stupid obsession with setting entire game story within a single city like Washington and Boston? So fallout 1 story has to be retconned to be self contained inside the LA? Judging bow how many ghouls there are in the show i suppose Necropolis was also some district inside the LA not Bakersfield and maby even Philly is actually the Junktown after a name change....

It doesn't seem like they labeled the nuke's date, just that Shady Sands are apparently in decline. It is still limited the knowledge we have regarding the events between then and the show.

I think the NCR is still around. They're probably recovering and they have a new capital (Maybe New Reno).

NCR probably isnt gone. Shady Sands was only the capital, and the board doesnt say the fall pf the NCR, only the fall of Shady Sands. The NCR probably moved their capital to a different place now.

Recent Todd interview clarifies that "the fall of Shady Sands doesn't necessarily mean a nuke" and that "the bomb falls sometimes after the events of New Vegas", on a "very tight" timeline.

Todd Howard just gave us the definative answer, 2277 is the "fall" we don't know exactly what that is yet. The bomb doesn't get detonated until directly AFTER F:NV in 2281 and he also confirmed the NCR will still have active areas and will likely be back in season 2.

In episode 5 there is sign that says that Shady Sands was the first capital of the ncr so for me it means that eventually some other town got declared capital of the ncr

NCR in 2281: “We won’t go quietly into the night. The Legion can count on it.” NCR in 2296: “We went quietly into the night. The Enclave and/or Brotherhood can count on it.”

It has been suggested that the "fall of Shady Sands" in "2277" is an event prior to it being nuked. There is time arrow after that event. The "fall" may not mean its destruction but its fall in a political or other sense. In other words, the nuking happened later than 2277. If so, this is not a mistake.

At the time I believed that the "fall" does not necessarily mean "destroyed by nuclear explosion" (as Todd mentioned) but instead "decline." Then explosion happened after. There are quite a few years between 2281 and 2296 or 2297. I was more dumbfounded as to how the destruction of Shady Sands meant a complete NCR collapse? The show practically made it seem like the NCR had no ability to respond to that and you just had a tiny group of remnants left behind. Well unless the reinforcements are really dragging their heels.

I thought the arrow put the bomb time after 2277, like " Ulysses ending is the canon" . And the "fall" refers to the multiple problems the NCR were facing in 2277.

The problem I have with the show's depiction of New Vegas is that it looks destroyed and abandoned when it should be brightly lit and filled with light.

Interview just dropped yesterday that explains how *Oxhorn is wrong here* Todd Howard specifically said that the "Fall of Shady Sands" and the bomb were two different events, with the bomb's year unlisted. He said it should have been more apparent that on the timeline each event is separated by an actual line, and there's an actual line between the fall and the mushroom cloud.

The show takes places in 2296, Maximus says the bombing of Shady Sands happened 12 years ago when he was a kid. That means it happened in 2284. Everything’s fine, New Vegas is still canon.

Moldaver infiltrated vault 33 with a bunch of raiders, but shes the head of the NCR? And the head of the cult in vault 4? What the fuck?

A few things I feel you’ve missed: -The Shady Sands billboard said the NCR’s “First” capital. Meaning that another city like San Francisco, Vault City, New Reno, or even the Hub serves as the NCR’s new capital. I feel it’s the Hub since it’s a huge economic powerhouse, plus Kimball is said to have done work in the Hub as well. -I think the characters are about 19-20 at the earliest. Mainly due to Maximus’ demeanor in the show. When he steps into power armor, he acts just like a teenager when he steps into a car for the first time. If he’s 19-20 by the show in 2296, he’d have been born in 2276-2277. Meaning of Shady Sands was destroyed in 2277, he’d be a baby still. Lucy too. I think the chalkboard was purely a misunderstanding from the fans and it was just poorly explained. I feel the NCR is still out there, just battered and reallocating their resources in another region, leaving the Brotherhood to take over the Shady Sands/Los Angeles region

The show doesnt say Shady Sands was destroyed at that date, just that it 'fell.' Seemed like they were talking about social decline. The nuke has no specific date.

the fall of shady sands doesnt mean it was nuked then, it probably means the fall of shady sands is just the start of the decline, the arrow indicates that the nuke was clearly after the start of the fall; maximus seems to have been 8 ish when it got nuked and he is about 22 now seemingly by the way he acts so say at the earliest 14 years before the tv show (which takes place in 2296) would mean about 2282 which is 1 year after FoNV and would thus be completely fine

1. Pres. Kimball’s visit in NV is the kicker to me, that clinches Shady Sands as the NCR capital in 2281, so yes there is a plot issue. 2. The vault 4 survivors are imbalanced cultists, I wouldn’t be surprised if they’ve retconned their history for reasons yet TBD. Real world cults rewrite their own histories all the time. 3. We don’t yet know where Muldaver was preserved, when she thawed out into the wasteland, or how she came to be an NCR leader; I think her backstory will be crucial to understanding what actually happened to Shady Sands, and that’ll surely be a key plotline in season 2.

I HAVE THE ANSWER!! Hear me out! The key to the dates is the age of Lucy! There is a specific line in episode five minute 18:05, where Lucy is describing what it was like to look up at the sun with her mother. Lucy stated that she was four years old when she was looking up at the sun with her mother, you can see her in episode 8 minute 30:05. Now if Lucy is 18 years old when she leaves the vault, this is assuming that she reaches legal age to get married, that would mean the bombs fell on Shady Sands 14 years prior to her leaving the vault. This would make the year 2282.

Todd just commented on this… it happened after new Vegas

When Rome burned and fail the hole of the Roman empire did not fall immediately they were still in power for a long time in various areas and slowly lost power, so even if Sadie sands was gone 4 years later they could still be a formidable force to be reckoned with.

I personally really hate the idea that the NCR failed in such a short time. After 200 years, you'd think rebuilding society would get a little farther. The suspension of disbelief is a little bit on the far end.

At the observatory there is a sign showing that it’s the NCR Headquarters. I think they’re still around and that the NCR didn’t fall, Shady Sands only fell and subsequently they have now a smaller presence in LA

8:30 maximus is only about 20-25 years old and the bomb dropped when he was a kid (probably 8-10 years old) meaning it could have happened in the 2280‘s so it could likely happened a few years after new vegas takes place. So maybe its going on the phrase „rome didnt fall in a day“ and it did gradually break apart and climax in the nuke

FIRST capital of NCR.Which means NCR moved it's capital from Shady Sands.They probably didn't even know who bombed Shady Sands and they probably think it's the Brotherhood's work if you consider Maximus saved by a knight.What were they doing in Shady Sands? Does brotherhood save people? No.Did they really went into a nuclear creater to find some new child soldiers to the brotherhood? I think war between NCR and the Brotherhood will be explained in season 2. And also, the was only one road to Nevada from NCR territory and NCR controls it.They could probably stop the rumor from spreading.

Until we get either confirmation of the date the nuke dropped, or Lucy's/Max's age, it is impossible to know when it happened. We only have 2 bits of information we can use to estimate. Lucy could be as old as 27 (we know the exact day Hank moved to Vault 33 thanks to seeing the date on the side of his pod and some terminal logs, that being August 9 2268). This means there is a ~10 year window it could have happened, 2277 being near the middle. 10+ years is far too much of a window to go off of. If the West coast Brotherhood in 2296 still follows the ranking lore, Maximus is at most 19, or a very poor student that has been held back many years into adulthood... 19 would mean he was born 2276/2277. So either the ranking lore is ignored for the show and he's older, they are using different ranking lore and he's older, he's an absolute failure for someone raised by the Brotherhood meaning he's older, or the bomb dropped later than 2277. If Max was 5-10 when the bomb dropped and we go off of 19 years old that means it happened somewhere between 2282-2287, again, too big of a window, and even if we say he is 5 years older the bomb still could have dropped as late as 2282. At the very least, both bits of info we have confirm 2 things, it's possible for this to have been long after 2277 and after the events of FoNV, it however does not confirm the exact year it happened. If people involved with Fallout are saying NV is still canon, and that nothing in the show or games outright prove there is a conflict, any argument over it is foolish. We all know it's going to be a while until we get answers, if we even get any, but it's not hard to just wait, as Fallout fans we should all be pretty good at that by now...

My interpretation of the chalkboard was the 2077 fall led to it being destroyed somewhere down the line. It's even said in the Last episode that Lucy's Dad blew it up cause the Mom wanted to tell everyone in 33 the truth about the surface. So he took Lucy and Norm away from her and blew up Shady Sands(while she was still there) as a way to keep the other Vault Dwellers from finding out so they could keep up with Vault 31's plan.

With all the current events, we are one comunist ocupation away from *total nuclear anihilation* I got a safe and filled it with a few bottle caps, a bottle of adhesive, few screws and an obscure poorly handwritten letter for the bastard who finds it 200 years from now

Todd Howard confirms the show is canon with all fallout games even Vegas. The timeline could mean something else. Wait till next season

I think you forgot to mention that Shady Sands doesn't seem to be where it is in canon. For some reason it’s next to Lost Angeles. Not 200 miles away like in parts 1 and 2

I was really against the time stamp but I forgot maximus was there at the explosion when he was a kid. He has to be at least 18 to 20 in the show so that means he was actually born in 2277 making the explosion take place around when he was like 5 to 9 (but he seemed more like he was 8 or 9) so if you look at his age the bomb dropped at shady sands in like 2284. 10 years before the show takes place and right close to after fallout new vegas ends. If you look at it this way its completely justified as to when shady sands ends so we know it didn't fall in 2277 and we just read the chalk board wrong or it was wrote wrong.

The fall and the nuke were supposed to be two separate events. The nuke came later silly

The series takes place in 2296, Maximus doesn't appear to be older than 20 and in the flashbacks to the Shady nuke he appears to be around 7 or 8 years old (the actor is 8). If we assume he was 20 at most that would mean the bomb was dropped around 2283-2284 at the absolute earliest. I don't think the fall and the bomb are the same thing.

If I can throw my two cents in. After the destruction of Shady Sands the NCR moved their capital to a new location. They named the new capital building Shady Sands, kinda like their version of the White House or Number 10 Downing Street or Holyrood. Something to that effect. As for the survivours of Shady Sands. Most of the survivours would likely have been those returning to Shady Sands. With the sudden lose of it's capital the NCR wouldn't be in a great position to help refugees. They were taken in by the residents of Vault 4 and eventually some would choose to rejoin the NCR but some would also choose to remain with the residents of Vault 4. Probably as a way of showing thanks and because some of them would probably want to stay. It's heavily implied that Maxmius intends to join Lucy as a vault dweller. As for Maximus saying that it didn't work out for the NCR, keep in mind he was rescued by the Brotherhood of Steel. They would have known about his history. Until his indoctrination into their order, it's possible the Brotherhood kept any information about the NCR from Maximus. Afterwards he wouldn't have had a reason to go looking. It wouldn't be the first time the Brotherhood has censored information avaliable to it's members. Not reclaiming Shady Sands also makes sense when you notice just how large the crater is. Nevermind the fresh fallout that would be contaiminating the area. Interestingly enough, if you study history you'll notice that is only recently that we started to reclaim cities after they have been destroyed. London had been completely abandoned for centuries at one stage.

This really doesn't matter... as expected Bethesda had a buggy release. I'm just going to mod the show and change the dates shown on screen

Just a thing, you are probably aware of it, but the “Caswennan ‘’ is actually the Prydwen. Name can be seen on the side of the airship at 36:28 in episode 1.

Regarding the timeline: To me it seems like one of two things.. A showrunner just straight up got it wrong and made a mistake, it's just an error; the show has a few sloppy writing mistakes in some episodes.. Todd has already come out and said that New Vegas happened. I imagine what's going to happen is that some teacher character in Season 2 from Vault 4 will mention, "Oh, uh.. I wrote on that blackboard. I got it wrong. Sorry!" But there is another option that is interesting: someone or some faction is purposefully trying to hide the events of New Vegas as a form of censorship. It's not that New Vegas didn't happen.. but what if the events of New Vegas were so humiliating for the NCR that they simply refuse to teach it to their children as history? What if the NCR lost the battle of Hoover Dam to, say, House's robots, and House made them erase it from their history so that no one ever tries to go after the Hoover Dam or starts an uprising about it? With the second option, now it becomes a point of intrigue. House originally hired the Couriers to do some incredibly fucked up things.. and he doesn't want people knowing that.

I think 'Fall' means 'Decline' and the bomb went off after the events of the second fight for hoover dam. 2282 Max is old enough to be around 19 in 2296. What I find weird is that Shady Sands seemed so close to LA.

9:58 cmon ox you of most people should know who this is

Bethesda hates the ncr because it's a popular faction and they didn't create them

My take is this: "The fall of Shady Sands" in 2277 coincides with the date of the first battle of the Hoover Dam. The NCR was exporting resources to the east in a futile territory war that they weren't big enough to handle. Not with the compounding problems back home out west. I think what happened is after they lost a bunch of people in the first attack and they had to prepare for an inevitable 2nd attack, the NCR might've lost a lot of political power within its own borders. Perhaps there was a "what the fuck are you guys doing" sentiment in the citizens. After the 2nd battle of the Hoover, and then the nuking of Shady Sands (which is described in the show notes as "sometime in the 2280s", which should put it after New Vegas in 2281) I think the NCR either collapsed in on itself due to loss of confidence in their leadership or the citizens lost faith in the NCR all together. They'll have to explain it themselves, but I don't think the show breaks lore as bad as some people perceive

I think it was Bethesda being Bethesda again.

NCR headquarter is in the library, where the final battle in the show is taking place. Doesn't take a stretch to think they moved to another place before then. More importantly it is the "fall of shady sands" not "fall of NCR"

Season 2 is gonna be a recap of Season 1, as told by Lucy, and then the Camera pans out, and the Scene changes to her in her Wedding Dress. And her Dad is like "Lucy, there's NO WAY all of that would happen just from getting married"

I just noticed, there’s an erased line or border on the otherwise clean chalkboard. Someone had edited that specific space and did a bad job cleaning the area. Did somebody change something? And if so, why?

I am in the camp of the bomb happened shortly after New Vegas. I think it’s easy to assume that in hindsight the survivors could point to 2277 as the point where things started going down hill. The state of the NCR could be explained by the fact that already by the time New Vegas, the NCR was already going through a lot of hardships even back in California, if you figure they lost the second battle of Hoover Dam and then shortly after the capital blows up. I don’t think it’s hard to connect the dots there. There’s also one important thing people are leaving out. We are discussing a slideshow of dates for children with out the teacher giving the lesson for that day. Bullet points with no further explanation, you don’t usually write down everything you want to say when making a presentation.

This timeline for Shady Sands, the ghoul anti-feral drug, and the very strong possibility that they are about to force a canon ending on New Vegas are my top lore problems. The only reason for Lucy's father to go to Vegas is House. The implication is that the House ending will be canon. There are several plot holes as well. For example, when Betty takes the people from 33 into 32 to clean up and repopulate, the bodies are already gone; where did they go, and who cleaned things up? The robot Roomba didn't do it, Betty couldn't by herself, and I didn't see a bunch of robots stashed anywhere. The people in 31 are in cryo, so it wasn't them.

you're assuming that the fall of once city prevents anyone else from taking charge and moving on? "rebuilding shady sands" its literally a crater bro

Lonesome road dlc established active nukes in 2281-82 after the NV events. I think the show writers left out the date to leave some mystery for season 2

I saw someone point this out. Lucy, who thought she was in the vault at the time, says a famine hit in 2277. So that could've been the fall that weakened the NCR in LA, then the city was wiped out years later. NCR is probably still around, just not in LA or even California. If they go with the NCR ending of New Vegas they probably relocated their capital there.

You missed the fact that the Shady Sands sign says it was one of the capitols which means that there is possibly more than one.

Hmm… maybe “THE FALL OF SHADY SANDS 2277” isn’t the year it was nuked. There was an arrow away from that box pointing to the nuclear explosion drawing.

The fall of Shady Sands and the nuking of Shady Sands are 2 different entries. The nuking happened years later

So 2277 is when fallout 3 starts right? I’m guessing that Todd remember that date and gave it to the show runners and no one looked into it

I loved the show overall, but really hated how they managed the ncr.

I think they are using "fall" in its colloquial usage when describing something like Rome. The fall of the Western Roman empire WAS a slow methodical thing that culminated in the sacking of Rome by the Visigoths. I think the board makes sense if you think of it that way. The slow fall of an empire starting in 2277 (probably with the overcommitment of NCR forces in Nevada, marked with the first battle of Hoover dam only to lose it, probably to Mr. House) culminating in a nuclear blast over the socio-political tensions that resulted.

The show was damn near flawless

There is one thing that I don't think you take account for and that is that given the post-apocalypse and the history of the founding of the NCR and what it is based on, is it not conceivable that when the bombing occurred the NCR didn't completely unravel and instead it just 'moved' capital? If anything the surviving and building something at the end of the world should give the NCR it's the will to rebuild, maybe even de-centralise so they don't have everything in one basket? I can see the NCR battling on with a "oh now you made us mad". For the most part, apart from the farmers, they mention sending things west, not explicitly to shady sands and the crop-farm could be explained that it happened when shady sands is still around. (though I cab't say that with complete certainty as I've not played NV for some years now). We've had capitals falling in our history that did not mean the end of the country, so there is that. A bigger lore-problem to me is the inclusion of Mr House in the show as a person that knew what would happen. This raises all kinds of questions as to how his character is in NV. I can't remember now if he was named on-screen but he is mentioned in the credits so I guess that counts. Or am I completely wrong and missing something here?

I think the chalkboard is simply being misunderstood. The timeline carries on between 2277 and the mushroom cloud drawing. Factions don't just fall overnight. The decline started in 2277, and the bomb fell on Shady Sands later. That was when Maximus was a kid, and he's still a young adult in the show, so the bomb probably fell between 2278-2285 or something. The timeline abides by FO1 and FO2. I doubt the writers just randomly retconned New Vegas for no reason.

Here's my thoughts. Lonesome road solved this whole issue. They could have just told the story of Lonesome Road because in it Ulysses wants to Nuke the NCR. Chris Avellone himself even said something similar, that was the intention of the DLC. Plus, if you look at the fallout timeline, the events of Lonesome Road happen right before the second battle of hoover dam. This could have easily been portrayed as the catalyst for the second battle of hoover dam, and if House wins the NCR would almost certainly experience economic and political instability. Especially if Kimball dying was also made cannon. So there was no need to deviate from the story, as told in New Vegas and the DLCs, at all. The only logical explanation for why they went with the events in the show that they did is because they wanted to. As for why, I don't know. I'm not the writers, or todd howard, but that's what we should be asking.

If you watch the end credits of the last episode, It does a pan through New Vegas. Its completely destroyed with wrecked securitrons and a crashed NCR vertibird.

Well the problem with it being destoryed by a nuke is that a lot of people survived with no radiation damage. The hole itself doesn't look radioactive so maybe it was just a big bomb. Also it says fall of shady sands not the NCR itself. If thats the case then that would suck. Maybe they created a new shady sands. The sign did say "The First Capitol" Also are we sure when this show takes place?

Given that vault tech is responsible for the bombing of shady sands I wouldn't be surprised if they forced propaganda in the school of vault 4

Maldaver shows up in episode 1 posing as the Overseer of Vault 32. This is the same woman who was shacking up with Lucy's mom in Shady Sands. Why didn't Hank recognize her right away?

My theory is that when Emil said it was still canon, he meant it in the same sense that Fallout Tactics was declared to be “broad strokes canon.” In other words, generally, yes, there was a battle over the Hoover Dam, but any details that contradict future works will be retconned.

People sure are jumping through hoops trying to deny that they made a mistake

The only way I can see the date being right and everything happening in 2277 is the president of the NCR just so happens to leaves right before shady sands is destroyed and it’s just another part of the NCR fighting Ceaser at Hoover

Maybe shady was bombed a few months after the events of new Vegas

What if they go back to the chalkboard and say whoops wrong and erase it and say one of my students changed the date because hes silly and put in the real date

I like how the master just overlooked all these vaults that are now in the places we’ve already been…. There’s now a Vault 4 near shady sands that must’ve been another control vault, there’s 3 more vaults (31,32,33) all in the boneyard the master ignored despite not being hidden at all, you’re gonna have a tough time convincing me Bethesda isn’t trying to retcon west coast lore for their BoS fanfiction fantasies.

My favorite missing part of the show is that there should be bridge on the north west part of new vegas

This is quite implausible. I guess the answer will be known on season 2...they could have done it to agitate the lore masters.

Something else I noticed is that if Vault 33 is located in Santa Monica. How did it survived the events of Fallout 1? Because the Master would’ve just gotten information on the vault and send his super mutant army to invade and wipe it out. Another plot hole?

another thing if shady sands fell in 2277 why would lucy mom go there? she took her kids to a place that fell, not only that but why would Luccy dad nuke a place tat fell? only reason he nuke it was because the place was so awesome.

I do believe all the answers still lie with moldavor but she’s dead now 😭

Pay attention during the show. The main characters travel all over the LA Basin - you know, the Boneyard, a major state in the NCR - and the closest thing to civilization is "Filly". Which is Megaton West for all intents and purposes. Then we see the NCR through Lucy's eyes in the last episode, and it's MODERN. CLEAN. Has red brick buildings and trolley cars. And the blood-drinker cultists who were its last remnants surged out from "New California Republic HQ" at Griffith Observatory. The NCR is dead. And Hank has arrived at New Vegas to get rid of any "competition" there, too.

The billboard said that Shady Sands was the “first” capital of the NCR. So, the NCR switched capitals before the bombing. And the “remnants” of the NCR were simply Shady Sands remnants. Problem solved.

Also, according to the show, the occupants of vault 33 have never opened the vault door leading to outside- yet they know who raiders are, even though they've been essentially isolated from the outside completely.

The issue i have with the "explanation" that shady sands got nukes after new vegas,is that the narrative tells us that Hank,Rose, and Lucy left the vault in 2077 (they mark that year with a "drought that killed Rose") and the fact that they heavily imply that Hank nuked shady sands. See,if Hank nuked shady sands after the events of new vegas,why did he wait for several years to take out Vault tec's potential competition? It makes more sense that he'd nuke it ASAP, and since we don't know what "the fall of shady sands" is about,it is safe to assume that it's about its destruction. While it could have been somebody else that nuked shady sands "Cough cough Courier" it doesn't make that much sense that Hank wouldn't do anything to his company's competition. Maybe im missing something,but i think that yes, shady sands was destroyed in 2277.

I think a lot of people’s issues is that they can’t wait to have mysteries unravel. They don’t wonder why or how Shady Sands got destroyed, or why that date was chosen specifically; they’re upset they don’t understand it, assume it must’ve been a mistake, and refuse to let the show runners explain it. they’re so invested in the way things have been that to change or expand on existing things without the safety net of a full explanation is an issue in itself.

Todd doesn't want fallout post-war societies to develop past "America is gone, raiders are everywhere, look at these crazy new mutated monsters, here are some factions who want to create a new society" to "America might be gone but centuries after the war there's finally an organised state in the wasteland that's slowly reclaiming pre-war advancements moving past just scavenging with its own challenges" because then how will they shove in the power armour clad medieval knight order larpers or the rusty post-nuclear war aesthetics everywhere.

The actor that played Maximus in those flashbacks is 8 y/o. If that's the case in the universe, it would make Maximus 27 in 2296. That's REALLY old for an initiate. I truly think they did not intend for "the fall" to mean its destruction. The fall obviously is tied someway to the first battle of hoover Dam. I think the canon ending of New Vegas is that the NCR lost the dam, and so in universe historians looking back see the first battle, where perhaps the NCR starts relying on the Hoover Dam as their only power source leaving them vulnerable once they lost it, as "the fall". The same way we look at "the fall" of the Roman Empire as the invasion by the goths, even though they still exercised power for decades following.

I feel that the show did an incredible job to give us references to the events mention on the games, with just quickly showing it for a second on the back of a scene. "The fall of Shady Sands" date was a very intentional scene, front and center for all of us to see. It feels very, very weird that THIS DATE was the thing they overlooked. I would make more sense they overlooked something else in the background of a scene that wasn't really important to the story they were telling, than this date. There was so much incredible work put into making the show feel like it is inside the Fallout World and that it belongs along side the stories told by its different media. And that dedication to make the show feel like that, is what gives me the hope that there is more to this date than an "Overlooked mistake" I got no idea what the explanation could be, no idea at all. But really, anything else could have been overlooked and that scene showing us the timeline had clearly a purpose. So I am sure we will get and anwser in season 2. I mean, with all of this ruckus FOR SURE they will explaine it, they HAVE to now. 😂 And I really hope we get to beacause this show was a joy to watch. Hope for season 2!!

There were so many problems with the show that just bothered me so much. Like what even was the purpose of vault 111 if they had the entire management of vault-tech cryogenically frozen? How was Moldaver one of those frozen people (presumably since she's pre-war) even frozen to begin with since she's clearly not vault-tech in the past. Or her being in Shady Sands and then in vault 32, and Hank somehow didn't instantly prevent her from coming into 33? How about the raiders that mostly likely weren't raiders but actually NCR soldiers acting like ferals and killing the people in 33? Or did Moldaver just take a group of raiders into the vault rather then her NCR soldiers? There are so many plot holes with this show and I honestly hate that I even have these questions and no answers.

Could be that the NCR relocated the capital and renamed it Shady Sands. The Brotherhood was ultimately humiliated in the BoS-NCR war so the NCR has likely annexed a lot of already well developed territories that could qualify as a New Shady Sands. They could name it "New Shady Sands" and the people could still refer to it as "Shady Sands". It's not uncommon for refugees/survivors to name their new home after their old one.