LETS FIGHT! Pink Venom or Shut Down? 🤔😈

Miyeon really was born to be a star. With either blackpink or gidle, she would still be really famous considering both groups are really popular. Stan gidle and blackpink!

It would really interesting if we could ever hear the pinks talk about the original idea of Pink Punk or the eliminated trainees. Lisa is still close with some of these old trainees so I'm curious to know what it was like for her to see her friends leave like that...

With regard to pre-debut fame, it was actually Jennie and Jisoo who were fully revealed to the public, not Jennie and Rosé. Jennie's face and name were revealed early on. She also performed on national TV as a featured singer in G Dragon's song "Black" and a short while later was featured as a rapper on Lee Hi's "Special" track. Jennie also acted/appeared in G Dragon's "That XX" music video. Before debut, Jisoo's face and name were revealed and she also acted/appeared in music videos, including "I'm Different" (Hi-Suhyun feat. Bobby). Jisoo also appeared/acted in Epik High's "Spoiler" music video in 2014. Everybody knew who she was and knew her name long before Blackpink debuted. Jennie and Jisoo already had their own fans before debut. Rosé and Lisa are the two who were mostly unknown before the group debuted. Rosé was a featured singer in G Dragon's "Without You" (결국) song. BUT her face and name were not revealed or confirmed and she was literally credited on the song as a question mark (?). There were some rumors about who she was and her name was circulated at the rumor level, but nothing was known for certain until after BP debuted. (When G Dragon performed the song in concerts, Rosé did not perform. Other already-debuted artists like Lee Hi and Suhyun performed Rosé's parts in GD concerts. ) Similarly, Lisa's identity remained a mystery until BP debuted. She had appeared very briefly as a dancer in a Taeyang M/V ("Ringa Linga" IIRC), but she was not identified or named or spotlighted in any way. (Her appearance in that video only really became known after BP debuted and her face is never shown very clearly in the music video anyway.) In 2012, YG released a "Who's That Girl" video clip that showed some amazing dancing by an unnamed girl. Her picture was shown in the video thumbnail, but the information lines just showed question marks for things like "name: ?" and "nationality: ?" Who she was remained a mystery until the group debuted in 2016.

Sixteen is known as the show where almost every contestant ended up debuting in a group or as a soloist, but Pink Punk surprises me even more. Every trainee, who was considered as member of the group, works in kpop industry

bruh out of all of these trainees that didnt make it, it was sua that i was clenching my teeth waiting for. she was in the dungeon for way too long and for someone that is hella talented. i feel so bad

yg did sua soooo dirty… like 10 YEARS 💀So glad she got out and was able to debut with Billlie 🫶🏽

Miyeon, Jinny, Moon Sua, and Kim Euna in the SAME group.....by gawd 😳

I was rooting for Kim Euna for a long time, hoping she would find the success she greatly deserved. while it's sad she left the industry, I'm happy she's happy now. PS. KHAN was amazing in Vocal Play.

This always made me curious and made me ask what if Blackpink were 9 instead of 4 but then I came to the realization that it wouldn't be Blackpink at all if the final lineup wasn't what it ended up being with just Jisoo, Jennie, Rosé and Lisa. The Blackpink we know and love wouldn't exist. The main thing that makes Blackpink Blackpink is the fact that each member is very clearly different and can stand on their own and they shine as a group as much as individuals - something that is basically impossible to happen to the BP degree if they had a lot of members - voices would get mixed, it would be a mess most of the time, each member would barely have any individual singing time, etc. On top of that, I feel like all 4 girls together encapsulate everything that is there to have in k-pop and any additional members would either be filler or just add more of the same characteristics. If you look at the rapper line and the vocal line in BP, each of them is different in their own category. While both Lisa and Jennie rap, their rap styles are completely different. While both Rosé and Jisoo have beautiful voices, their vocal tone and range are in the opposite ends of the spectrum with Rosé having a higher pitch and higher range and Jisoo having a soothing lower tone and able to hit lower notes comfortably. It's the different and contrasting dynamics that make Blackpink who they are and if you add more members, the likelihood is that that dynamic contrast would fade into a gradient which would temper down significantly the dynamic sound of Blackpink.

Kim eunas story made me so sad. I remember the ark was actually one of the first groups i followed. They got big for some of their covers. The reason it disbanded wasnt because it flopped, but because one of the vocalists had a issue and left, and i guess they just disbanded after that ): i still have the light on my playlist for nostalgia.

it’s funny. Blackpink got me into Kpop in 2018 and now Billlie are my 4th gen ULTS. I love them so much. Moon Sua fits into Billlie like I can’t explain it. They all go well together. I’m happy she got to make her dream come true

I really felt bad for Kim Euna, she was regarded as one of the best trainee yet somehow fate wouldn't let her be an idol. But I guess it was for the best, which I hope she really is happy with her life now

IMO , the reason Blackpink did so well in America and the west is bc of their size. 4 group members is alot easier for Americans to digest and connect too, it's also similar to most of our girl groups in size from the past. I remember how I first saw them on Good Morning America and I was like wow! There's only 4 and not 50 million like every other Kpop group I've seen. I need to learn more about them all! And they all stood out in some way to me. It is a lot harder to stand out in a larger group. Twice is very popular but for me it took me years to actually decide to give them a chance because of the daunting amount of members. Even though I'm now a Once , it took a lot of being used to Kpop lol

Sua is sooo amazing!! Currently obsessed with her performances in the show Second World! Glad she didn't gave up after leaving YG.

A huge part of BP's success is also related to their personalities. With a 4-member group, it's much easier to focus more time on each member and much easier for fans to learn who they are. In songs, they each get more time to shine. For me, 9-member groups are just too chaotic. When they perform on stage, it's like a platoon of people moving around and the camera is either jumping from one to another to another so fast that nobody really gets any focus...OR...the songs and camera focus more on a few members while other member are stuck in some kind of status that is in between being backup dancers and group members.

The former Yg Trainees seemed to be really talented and hard working people, but sometimes fate has other plans... Hope everyone achieves their own definition of success 😍

I had a lot of fun making this mini documentary about the BLACKPINK 9! Let me know, do you think BLACKPINK would be as successful as they are now as a 9 members group?

Blackpink members had to literally go through YG dungeon style hunger games with other bunch of talented girls to survive elimination. No wonder Blackpink is dominating music chart now.

I knew about Miyeon and Jinnie, but I didn't have a clue that there was an ex trainee in Billie!

I’ve seen videos about “Pink Punk” and the other five members who didn’t succeed, and I’ve always been curious about how BP would’ve sounded with nine members instead of the current four!? That would’ve been really challenging for Teddy for sure…great video Nathan (nice beard bro)!

Moon Sua never was in the line up for Blackpink. She was part of "Future 2NE1", which should have debuted after Pink Punk (Blackpink). But given that everything was delayed for years that simply didn't happen.

RING MA BELL!!!! that song has been stuck in my head all day lol

SME: *Debuts a 9 member girl group in 2007* JYPE: *Debuts a 9 member group in 2015* YGE: *Is about to debut a 9 member group in 2016* “Quick! Change of plans! Your four, you get to debut! Everyone else, figure something out! 😫”

loving the sua and billlie promo, but Sua was never in the lineup for blackpink. She was on the lineup for Future2ne1 which should have been a group that would debut after pinkpunk because she was too young to debut with them.

i dont think BLACKPINK would be as big as they are if they were 9, BP are unique thats what makes them BP, each girls skill compliments the others

PINKPUNK ARE FOREVER LEGENDARY. AND IM GLAD ALL THE GIRLS ARE DOING SOMETHING THEY WANT TO NOW

Born to be a BLINK 💗

Thank you for covering Euna Kim's story so well. I loved the song "The Light" by The Ark, especially that heartbreaking music video, and then learned a lot about the group members after hearing the song years ago. It makes me happy to know more people will learn about Euna and The Ark after seeing this video.

Eunha Kim, ffs…! The Ark was an inspiring rookies back then, that one song stole my heart and made me bawl. Another proof that talent is not only thing that made an artist survive, but also company support. Inthought Jang Hanna will have a bright future after that featuring song, but yg did Lee Hi dirty so imagine what happened to Hanna. I hope all of them happy in whatever they are pursuing now ❤

i am happy with our 4 girls, the perfect amount of people in the group and perfect group chemistry, can't imagine them with the other mentioned girls in the video

I used to be EXTREMELY dedicated to the "almost" members of Blackpink to the point that even 2 years later I recognized all but 1 of their names. I remember Miyeon (ofc I'm a Neverland), Hannah, Eunbi, Euna, and Jinny. I recognize the The Ark, Khan, and Secret Number. BUT, I had NO IDEA of Moon Sua's existence until she debuted in Billie. I think that's because it's seen as "The Blackpink Nine" by most people and the inclusion of Moon Sua makes that 10 and also because I don't remember her being in any "almost Blackpink members" videos.

Omg Moon Sua is really insane!!!

Miyoen is still hanging out with Lisa until now.

I don't know if she would've been part of this "Blackpink 9", but fromis_9s Lee Seoyeon was part of Future 2NE1 too

Denisse was also a YG trainee, I remember back in the day we even speculated there were 2 girl teams since we had pictures of the girls moving together in 2 different vans and they were always the same. We even made bets on which group would debut first! Hahaha

The only completely hidden trainee back then was Rosé, no one know her until she was introduced as last Blackpink member..Pink Punk teaser with Jennie was released in 2012, Rosé just become a trainee in that year, in the same year of Rosé become a trainee, they directly use her vocals to be featured in G Dragon's song in 2012..she is the hidden 💎 of YG

I don’t think vocal similarities with Rosé was the main problem with Jang Hanna and I believe she was probably gearing up to debut in Blackpink considering YG pushing her back into the spotlight through M&M and the Jinusean collab. I think the latter was what ruined things though; knetz’s reactions to her visuals were so negative, with some asking YG not to debut her and stick to his plan of making a visually appealing girl group for once (whatever that means). I remember feeling so bad for her bc I thought she was a cute girl. Considering YG’s habit of throwing a bone out there to gauge the public’s reaction to things, I feel like how people commenting on her looks may have played a part in her exclusion from the group.

Sua and Jinni are two of my biases, so it's crazy to think of them in BP! They're all so talented! Pink Venom!

Great video! I feel terrible for Kim Euna...I hope one day she takes a crack at music again, even if she stays independent. The Ark's story is so sad. But I'm glad she's found happiness in her life. I'm so proud of all the other trainees too. Billlie is one of my favorite groups now, and I can see them being very successful (especially since they've got that SM money). And big props to Jang Hannah for going independent; I'll definitely have to check out her stuff now.

Euna is pronounced "Yoo-na." She's said before that she left YG because she felt she wasn't good enough after seeing the talented YG trainees. She didn't feel confident and left back to the US. After being back home, she decided she didn't want to give up on her dreams and thus made a return to Korea and joined UPR.

I find it a fun coincidence how Euna was meant to debut in BLACKPINK with Miyeon too, who would now be a (G)I-DLE member and Euna was in Unpretty Rapstar 3, a show Soyeon was in too and is now a (G)I-DLE member too.

It looks like YG doesn't feel the need to throw out idol groups just for the sake of productivity. Most of if not all of their groups have been successful even if short-lived. I'll be sure to check out "Billie".

I'm glad Sua went to Billlie, they're an incredibly talented and unique group. YG really missed out on her and she's so talented!

Actually, JYP and YG wants to create a SNSD version under their company a 9 member group. But something happens only jyp produce 9 member group under their company and since yg got BP they tag them or some tag them as the Pretty/Beautiful version of 2NE1

If there is any chance to reboot Blackpink as whatever the name is. Only Miyeon and Sua as 6 member. Both Visual match with 4, both had talent that fitting with the music, i almost pick Jinni, but no. Sua is a Gem Rapper. Also Miyeon would synch well with Rosè and Jisoo.

everything happens for a reason In Blackpink's case it was the right decision . Knowing the current status of BP as the biggest gg in the world and highest charting female k-pop group , it's hard to imagine what would be with 9 members bc it's sounds to me like a triple trouble . I mean YGE and 9 girls in one group? :D they are struggling to manage 4 what about 9 lol Our fandom is split in 4 solo stans sections so it's already pain in the ass for us THE OT4 stans . btw Jisoo wasn't mystery for the general public, she was known years before her debut . she appeared in music videos, like "I'm Different" by Hi-Suhyun feat. Bobby 2014. and also acted in Epik High's "Spoiler" music video from 2014 No one also knew that Rose was the girl singing with GD since she was marked with (?) instead of her name. pretty big mistake from Nathan just like ASIAN THEORY did for Jisoo .

They are perfect as they are now. They wouldn't be this big if there were 5 or 9 of them. Especially the equal visual of jisoo, jennie, lisa and rosé are internationally recognized. I just want to know how other artist who were supposed to be BP member feel.

Miyeon & Lisa my ultimate bias 💚💛 (g)idle & blackpink my ultimate group 💜🖤

The die had been cast the day Rosie entered the dorm and met her 3 sisters. Their super strong bond made the final cut.

billlie is my ult group and i've never heard about sua being in blackpink's lineup, that's shocking!

We know Miyeon’s in touch with Lisa still, but I want some Miyeon crumbs with Jennie, Rosé and Jisoo.

imagine a special stage for all of these nine girls performing...

i had no idea moon sua almost debuted in blackpink that's literally insane to me since i ended up stanning her as a member of billlie i'm happy she left yg but it sucks that they threw someone so talented in the basement

Woooww Nathan!! You did such an amazing job on this video with the editing and content. It really comes off as a quality documentary!!

wtf?! my babie sua was supposed to be there?! omg!! she's so talented, not just with her rapping skills, but she also has an amazing and pretty high vocals! i've been watching her cover of bts' the truth untold repeatedly because i just can't move on with her voice. what pushed yg to stuck her in their basement? 🙄 well, at least, she has a group now that has great songs. please support them! 💗

It's a shame Miyeon didn't become a BP member...she would have fit like a GLOVE.

forever grateful miyeon found her home with gidle

Blackpink has a solid and powerful line up. All of these girls has a fierceness to them, no doubt from being trained at YG. They all would’ve over saturated the group a bit. It’s rare that you’d find a group with that many aces so I understand why YG cut some of them. All of them have similar sounds as well, especially the rappers. It would’ve been an amazing group though, no doubt.

I think Jinny wasn't a part of "Future 2NE1", it was Park Seo Young. But since the two of them were ex trainees of YG, they presented like a duo in Produce 48.

That's why we called it destiny. If all the trainees successfully debuted as pink punk, Blackpink doesn't exist.

I love you Nathan! Keep up the good work ❤

Been waiting for your content for a long time.

woow you literally just searched for the most fast and easy information about miyeon XDD Miyeon was never kicked out for dating , she said herself in a radio show that she left YG due to her debut being thwarted, she dated Jinhyeong afterwards and they were photographed in Japan when both weren't YG trainees anymore

the way you ended this video gave me chills i love this channel

That repeating one bar Paganini in the background 💀

I’m so excited, I love this

Oh man I had no idea Euna was part of the potential blackpink line up! I remember loving her on the unit. I'm your girl is such a good song 😭 I miss her.

YG really have a full pack of talents. Imagine actual 9 debut. Love Kim Eunha! Her rap was so good and her voice is unique. Sadly! She is went back to the west after tried so many time but not success. She wants to live a normal life I'm sure it best for her but I hope to see her will emerge back to kpop one day. Sua is also great rapper. Love her song on Unpretty rapper omg.

I don't think they would be blackpink they are today, 9 members?? that's a lot for non-kpop fans, and all of them are beautiful but the final four girls have something magnetic and unique about them

Thanks to you Nathan I learned about so many k-pop idols. All these trainees go through hell and hot water just to be recognized. I respect their decisions to either push on or leave, seeing some of these ladies perform before they left or eventually debut was really something. I mean, Euna Kim brought so much to the table, her voice whether singing or rapping was on point for me. For those eight years she hustled just to let people know she is force to be reckon with, especially with her video "Without You Now" feat. Yoon Mi-rae, Tiger JK, Bizzy. She has her own look and style and the companies were trying to mold her into something of their own brand instead of seeing what is already there. Thank you again brother for keeping all of us informed.

omggg i love ur videos this is gonna be good

Damm… so many ppl Yang Hyun Suk picked up from Kpop star and didn’t actually debut. That really sucks. I remember when he was trying super hard to recruit Lily M. (Whom I’m really glad she chose JYP over JG). YG is super cut throat… I feel really bad for the other girls who didn’t get to debut.

I think it was clear what YG was aiming when debuting blackpink. They wanted to debut girls that had little visibility in the public. Jennie was basically the only member that the public has been exposed to but not too much, Rosé was credited as a YG trainee on GD's song, so practically nobody knows anything about the members. Their pre-debut promotions was just one dance practice and when they debuted they didn't do any tv appearances outside music shows, they didn't do any interviews at all. So YG wanted blackpink to be this mysterious group, with not only great talents but all being visuals.

it's 1:44 am and i was about to sleep, but you popped up :'›

Honestly even YG may be @**holes in the eyes of the fandom of their artists...it can't be denied that they truly know if a person is Star Quality plus their Production and promotional skills, truly a recipe for success.

Ah.... I am so happy for Euna Kim! She'd crossed my mind several times since Khan, I'm glad she's found some happiness.

This list is missing Youha

I'm really happy for the girl who left the industry after multiple setbacks and eventually started a normal life and got married. One could argue that being a global superstar can be as gratifying and fulfilling as being happily married with the love of your life and starting a family. Maybe Kpop was just not for her. She can still write songs and maybe work with other artists/producers in the US. There are so many ways you can get into the industry now without being in the frontline.

I think YG new girl group is gonna debut next year in 2023 Because Swi.T debuted in 2002 and 7 years later 2ne1 debuted and then again 7 years later Blackpink debuted wich means Baemon will debut next year when Blackpink contract will expire

Jinny was not in Future 2ne1 and Sua was never in the line up for BLACKPINK

NATHANNN I MISSED YOU BESTIE😭

Being a trainee would be like being in Boot camp. Yet I wonder how rough it woukd be for though who didn’t make the cut? I heard there were trainees for like 10 years that never debuted as OMG. Can you imagine so much of your life just going up into thin air like that? I know Bom was one of YG's longest Idol trainees. She was orgionally supposed to debut as an R&B artist. "Baby Boy"which was on Lexy's third Album Rush. Was a side of Bom I never had seen & makes me wish Bom got a better deal. She was so good yet so underrepresented here as was Lexy as well. :/

the talent was definitely there but only four were favoured and the rest discarded or forgotten😢

Can you make a video like this about future 2ne1 as well?

Nathan, I was expecting Lee Seo Yeon of Fromis_9 to be included.

9:48 hey Nathan! so I remember watching one of Denise instalive back in 2019/20 and she said, the first time she met Jinny was around 2016 when they were still part of YG, she said the first time she met Jinny, Jinny was actually wearing cast on her left foot/ankle, she injured her left leg or smth along that line. Wasn't that possibly the reason she missed out debuting on YG?

For me, I would still prefer the four of them.

Since when was Jisoo literally not known during pre-debut? She was literally called "The trainee who did everything except debuting" and also "The prettiest YG trainee". She has done a lot of CFs with famous brands like Nikon, LG Smartphone (with iKON), Samsonite (with Lee Min Ho), and also other brands like Smart Uniform (with iKON), and a Mobile Game called Angel Stone. She acted in EPIK HIGH's M/V "Spoiler" + "Happen Ending" as well as HI-SUHYUN's M/V "I'm Different" She made a cameo in the series called "The Producers". She literally did everything back then except for debuting. Please know your facts first and do a thorough research before making videos like this.

They would have potential if they were in the group but I hope that they will do their best whatever they do in life and I don't like school too Nathan

Im so glad jinny able to write her own rap for secret number song

this was so interesting! i can’t believe what blackpink would’ve been

I am more curious of what would it look like if YG make a girl group that has a lot of members but looking back at YG's history of releasing girl groups they did not debut a gg that has more than 4 members.

They wouldn’t have been as popular in the west with so many members

I am happy with the four of them. They are perfect as four, i really cant imagine having other members 😭

It’s crazy to think in an alternate universe blackpink would be a 9member group and they would’ve been called pink punk…….

Kinda hope YG release "this blackpink" story someday in documentary film or whatever

Oh my God, Jinny is so stunning. Ive never listened to Secret Number. I kind of wish we could see how she would fit into bp

Plz do video on how acid angel of asia was formed...

Internet nathan can you do a vedio of what happened to ss501??