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The Broken Mythology of Great Men

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Andrewism

Andrewism

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@ForeignManinaForeignLand
@ForeignManinaForeignLand 2 жыл бұрын
You had me from Adventure Time, big man 😮‍💨 a man of culture
@Andrewism
@Andrewism 2 жыл бұрын
🎶🎶adventure time, come on grab your friends, we're going to very distant lands, with gilgamesh and enkidu, the epic never ends it's adventure time🎶🎶
@claudio_wild
@claudio_wild 2 жыл бұрын
Adventure time of Gilgamesh and Enkidu is a banger
@nowhereman6019
@nowhereman6019 Жыл бұрын
@@Andrewism I want to watch this so much.
@rowanjohnson9892
@rowanjohnson9892 2 жыл бұрын
Andrew, not only do I love the messages you’re putting out into the world, but you’re also SO good at expressing your ideas in a clear yet beautiful way “The flawed figures that fill our collective consciousness with spectacle and mislead our memory of history” LIKE JUST LISTEN TO THAT PROSE
@Andrewism
@Andrewism 2 жыл бұрын
don't make me blush, thank you!
@tinrobit
@tinrobit 2 жыл бұрын
@@Andrewism let's make him blush >:)
@tinrobit
@tinrobit 2 жыл бұрын
you are someone who i turn to often, I come from a gross background and I look at people like our saint andrew to challange and unlearn , generations of exploitation and re learn , change the generational way of thinking
@flotiex4114
@flotiex4114 2 жыл бұрын
The unenlightened masses
@SourSourSour
@SourSourSour 2 жыл бұрын
This is the first video of theirs that I've seen and the writing is so pristine I had to follow along for the journey. I imagine turning to Andrew's video when hope starts slipping and I need words to reignite the fire in my belly.
@thefrantasticmissfine
@thefrantasticmissfine 2 жыл бұрын
"The Nobodies, the no-bodied... Who are not, but could be. Who don’t speak languages, but dialects. Who don’t have religions, but superstitions. Who don’t create art, but handicrafts. Who don’t have culture, but folklore. Who are not human beings, but human resources. Who do not have faces, but arms. Who do not have names, but numbers. Who do not appear in the history of the world, but in the crime reports of the local paper. The nobodies, who are not worth the bullet that kills them." - Eduardo Galeano, Nobodies/1, The Book of Embraces
@diosamurcielaga9418
@diosamurcielaga9418 2 жыл бұрын
I was thinking about this while watching the video, thanks for dropping it here
@ngreene9199
@ngreene9199 2 жыл бұрын
Understanding Great Man theory, I think, is key to understanding certain kinds of authoritarian mindsets. It's easy enough to look at history and point out that it wasn't REALLY the "Great Men" who built everything, but it's also important to acknowledge that a lot of people deeply want to see the world that way. Heroes are a source of aspiration, hope, and comfort - avatars, embodying the merits of whatever system someone might believe in. So, in a way, "Great Men" do kind of exist - in the sense that people create them. We carve out positions in society, formal or otherwise, that allow individuals to claim tremendous amounts of power and influence, actually allowing them to shape history, at least to a certain extent. The Common Man creates the Great Man. The important thing to note, though, is that these "Great Men" aren't shaping history through the sheer force of their will and intellect. While they may indeed be great minds or charismatic leaders, those things are just qualifications for the job. At the end of the day, they're no superhumans - they have just as many flaws and shortcomings as anyone else. That shouldn't come as a shock or even a disappointment to anyone, except that "Great Men" have been put into a position where they're SUPPOSED to be superhuman. SUPPOSED to be flawless. And that's the failure that believers in Great Man theory keep endlessly falling for. Superhumans do not exist, no matter how much they may want them to. Anyone made out to be a Great Man will inevitably disappoint. A love for "Great Men" is often paired with a disdain for common men. But we're all "common", and pretending otherwise has led to disaster and disappointment over and over again. It's better to be a good human than a bad superhuman.
@hcxpl1
@hcxpl1 2 жыл бұрын
I think it is important to add that what shapes history isn't their prowess or the sheer force of their will but exactly the people who will do anything for them, even die. The only motor that makes their actions relevant to history whatsoever is the people that follow them, without people bending to their will and following their every order they have no more power than any other "ordinary" man, and recognising that means recognising that the people have always been the only thing able to change their own history and that no one can exert power over the people if not through the propagation of their power through the people itself - and as any chain is only as strong as its weakest link, breaking that cycle of violence and authority effectively takes power away from those who'd try to use it against their own people.
@renatanovato9460
@renatanovato9460 2 жыл бұрын
Besides many ppl might the have the will, but lack the organization. The "Great Man" comes not only as a leader, but the glue to stick ppl together and for a cause.
@lucyandecember2843
@lucyandecember2843 2 жыл бұрын
o.o
@GloriaInvictis
@GloriaInvictis 2 жыл бұрын
I fear this has to do with an inherent flaw of human imagination - it's easier to see one "Great Man" doing everything than to imagine the complex social structures need to get tens or hundreds of thousands of people to move in a certain direction.
@KevinJohnson-cv2no
@KevinJohnson-cv2no Жыл бұрын
"But we're all common, and pretending otherwise has led to disaster and disappointment over and over again." Yet again the weak commit the only act they can; projection. We aren't all common, and on the contrary, great men realizing their ability and stepping on those inferior to them to rise towards success is inevitable. This realization of ability only leads to disaster for the unskilled weaklings of the world who are unable to fend for themselves, but who cares? Their existence will always be marked with suffering, they are the weak. See you out in the pit.
@bookofkittehs
@bookofkittehs 2 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of how I've always had a hard time whenever someone asks me something like "who are your role models?", as if I must, or at least should, have role models. Sure, there are plenty of people I respect and acknowledge for the great things they have done, but I see no good reason to consider certain individuals as people who I should emulate. I learn from many others and they shape who I am and who I want to be, but ultimately I am merely aiming to be who I am, not striving to be like other people.
@Cloudruler_
@Cloudruler_ Жыл бұрын
Role models become less important as you come into power yourself. Role models are wonderful for those without power to emulate, such as children, because the lessons they arrive to may prevent them from suffering underfoot an oppressive structure. That said, a role model can become corrupted or misleading, so we need to be careful who we elevate or trust in positions of example.
@jerkjerkington3874
@jerkjerkington3874 Жыл бұрын
I heartily disagree with this take. It doesn't matter who you are, you will always be influenced by the people around you. It's a well known fact that the best way to become the person you want to be is to surround yourself with people who are already that way. The problem is that we now have the idea that "role model" is supposed to refer to a great man like Genghis Khan or Heracles or Superman. People used to have mundane role models. You would look to your father or your uncle or the man who runs the sawmill down the road as an example of what it means to be an upstanding member of society.
@jjhh320
@jjhh320 Жыл бұрын
@@jerkjerkington3874 Nah, after all the growing up I had to do, I fully agree with the op. There are all sorts of people who teach you to be better and develop, but only the manipulative ones need to take credit for it. Best people I know wanted nothing more for me than to stop being a child who looked up to them, and to grow into a man who could stand beside them. I might've looked up to a mentor, but I became my own version of a decent adult in the end -- used my judgment, pursued my goals, made my choices, owned up to all results good and bad. Only possible when I stopped looking to others in my head for wisdom and answers and simply put in the work.
@RhizometricReality
@RhizometricReality 2 жыл бұрын
"Faithfully i wish to be, the one to save this world from evil, but I'm only me, and we need everyone for this"
@TheVirtualJenesis
@TheVirtualJenesis 2 жыл бұрын
This!
@navilluscire2567
@navilluscire2567 2 жыл бұрын
I for a long time now I found the idea that mere individuals are expected to solve the HUGE problems of society to be MASSIVELY stressful, who in their right minds would think that's a reasonable expectation!?
@KevinJohnson-cv2no
@KevinJohnson-cv2no Жыл бұрын
This quote is basically an admission that those who go against Great Man Theory only do so because they are too weak to impact anything of their own ability lol
@navilluscire2567
@navilluscire2567 Жыл бұрын
@@KevinJohnson-cv2no No, not really. It basically means that there's never going to be a savior nor a messiah to save us, WE must do so collectively. (we're all we've got)
@RhizometricReality
@RhizometricReality Жыл бұрын
@@KevinJohnson-cv2no stop spewing rightwing incel garbage and learn to work with others, even so called great men stand upon the labour of many. The world has had more than enough great men incapable of unifying us, no more, put some back. No more great men till you hold fhe ones you propped up responsible.
@airidescence
@airidescence 2 жыл бұрын
This is always in the back of my mind…Debord’s work is always lingering in my brain space. As an anarchist artist, I think it isn’t aspirational to be turned into a commodity-both due to the obvious things you’ve stated and the inherently dehumanized position it makes of art and being an artist. Thank you for all the work you do, thank you to everyone here for your care and consideration and work as well❣️
@helio7249
@helio7249 Жыл бұрын
This hits so hard. I don't want to be commodified, I want to create and share those creations with my community :)
@enzoarayamorales7220
@enzoarayamorales7220 2 жыл бұрын
Homelander's "you guys are the real heroes" quote is starting to sound all too real now, and not in the way he intended.
@Andrewism
@Andrewism 2 жыл бұрын
if you've seen season 3 episode 2, he quickly changes his tune😵‍💫
@hcxpl1
@hcxpl1 2 жыл бұрын
The mentioning of the "slow, patient process" that is building power WITH people makes me think about how thinking of history being shaped by individual Great Men isn't a trend only in Space (individuals), but also Time (events) - How people like to think back on "moments that shaped history" like a war, the birth of a Christ or or the day someone said "no more" as being what directed history to its course, not only not recognizing the effort and work done in order to get to that event but also how it isn't the death of an enemy or the signage of a law that actually changes the lives of the people, many things haven't really changed to this day even after being proclamed as having so. And recognising this is important to remember and better understand the reason people subscribe to this line of thought, giving power to people they see as their Messiah to save them on a big judgement day (something representative democracy incentivizes) as being not only the want of solving everything in one fell swoop, through a god-given plan of perfection that wuld bring peace if we only had the power to implement but also the feeling of powerlessness that comes from seeing reality this way, understanding that the only way to affect change in one's life is through the accumulation of power (and the necessary subjulgation of lesser man in order to do so), which excuses people of channeling unchecked power to anyone they see as being able to change the course of history to the direction they so wish, which, obviously, only ends up perpetrating the power structures that got them in that situation in the first place, maybe changing people at the top but never truly making a change for the people at the bottom - the commoners, the nameless.
@hcxpl1
@hcxpl1 2 жыл бұрын
How they wait a tragedy to happen in order to give a damn to a problem or only take notice when someone does something drastic, ignoring all the screams for helpthat came before it, and then proceed to try and punish individuals for wrongdoings rather than actually solving the problem, or better yet, preventing it from happening in the first place.
@socialist-strong
@socialist-strong 2 жыл бұрын
Marx seems like such a “Great Man”. don’t get me wrong, his analysis of capitalist development in europe is, from my understanding, very spot on. That doesn’t mean his thought is this universal “rule” that holds the answers to understanding all contexts through time and space! For example, his analysis of Iroquois economy was based off very racist theories and writers. Or, all the complexity it has been necessary to add to his theories as we have updated his analyses through time. Any form of “Marxism” worth it’s salt today is a rich tapestry of decolonial, feminist and many other forms of thought. Even at it’s inception, Marx was not given “Kapital” by pure insular genius like Moses upon a mountain. We know his friend Engels had great influence, also, his wife and daughters (surprise! women are historically relevant) and the larger ideas of society all shaped “his” writings greatly! His perhaps 2nd most known idea, dialectics, comes directly from a german philosopher a hundred years his prior, Hegel. Marx was 100% a product of his time and place, like every other flesh and blood creature in the world!
@tearsofchronus
@tearsofchronus 2 жыл бұрын
"We live in a society" fucking killed me Amazing work as always friend, I grapple with this a lot as a musician. The age of the "rock star" is dead, where a guitar could make you into a rich sex symbol. And I couldn't be happier about it, art exists to bring people together not make money.
@Baraborn
@Baraborn 2 жыл бұрын
Long live the rapper... and his crew.
@tearsofchronus
@tearsofchronus 2 жыл бұрын
@@Baraborn I'll drink to that
@tripleaaakollektiv870
@tripleaaakollektiv870 Жыл бұрын
greatest pieces of guitar music are timeless, yall play them and learned to play guitar by the great songs
@tripleaaakollektiv870
@tripleaaakollektiv870 Жыл бұрын
@@Baraborn self-agrandising bling dolls
@UNSCPILOT
@UNSCPILOT Жыл бұрын
Guitar can be great, but someone with a synth or synths can make otherworldly sounds that are incredible, and personally appeal to me more, though both can be used together excellently. And then you get stuff like tge hurdy gurdy that feels like it can pull you into an entirely different era, guitars and classical instruments can be facinating but it's incredible how many other instruments are out there either nearly forgotten or from outside western cultures that are impressive in their own right. Can't help but get bored to death by most popular music, finding small, unique, hobbyist artists are far more appealing for me, personally
@SPDYellow
@SPDYellow 2 жыл бұрын
My primary objection to the Great Man theory is that a casual look at history will tell you that major events hinged on mistakes, screw-ups, and random chance. WWI, after all, was launched by the assassination of the Archduke Franz Ferdinand. The whole scenario initially reads like a Keystone Kops script, constantly on the verge of being foiled at every turn, yet it wasn't. What doomed the Archduke was that someone failed to give his chauffeur the proper directions, leading to his car stalling out not far from the sandwich shop where Gavrilo Princip, having already tried and failed, was getting himself something to eat. Because of bad directions, a shoddy automobile, and a teenage punk, we wound up getting WWI, along with WWII. Nearly every major event of the 20th century can be traced directly or indirectly to that assassination.
@ludovicartu4239
@ludovicartu4239 11 ай бұрын
Although all you say is true, it is also true that each country was at each other's throat and planning a war for a long time before. The assassination was simply the excuse for war they were all waiting for.
@Hwje1111
@Hwje1111 8 ай бұрын
@@ludovicartu4239or maybe its because the Kaiser was acting in a very malevolent fashion already and that all other attempts by foreign powers to stop him have failed, apart from war?
@Nai-qk4vp
@Nai-qk4vp 6 ай бұрын
​@@Hwje1111You'te only a century late and neck deep in a quagmire of propaganda shite if you think Germany is the main one to blame for the war.
@Hwje1111
@Hwje1111 5 ай бұрын
I think this comment also just has a bad tendency of downplaying just how badly the Germans and Austrians have decided to choose to screw up, and you decided to take up a more comfortable “deterministic” narrative, because by taking away agency, it also takes away accountability. Same with in ww1, as your comment outright downplays the fact that Franz Ferdinand could have simply just moved away from the actual chaos and strife of the area and returned safely however he chose to carry on to inspect those injured and so he did. Even then there was still the fact that Germany gave out that blank cheque to Austria under the baseless paranoia that their neighbours would invade them, so the Germans struck first and for some reason decided to invade Belgium, a kingdom that not only had nothing to offer to them and was neutral, but the Germans outright had a treaty to safeguard said neutrality. Lets face it, Germany did infact start ww1, and they may not have shot first, but they were responsible for dragging the rest of the world into the war. Had they kept their mouths shut the great war could’ve just been another regional conflict that Europe has had for years by then, or at best entirely averted.
@starfinney6308
@starfinney6308 2 жыл бұрын
As an artist that's even gone to college for storytelling I can tell you that beyond just pop culture & history but down to our conceptions of narrative, a way many have to lean on to understand certain aspects of the world whether we like to acknowledgement it or not, in the west is deeply steeped in the concepts of the protagonist's story of conflict & subsequent conquest. Of the makers of the fate & those left to be victims to the will of those dained with the blessing of the great spotlight.
@s3.14dervision
@s3.14dervision 2 жыл бұрын
Creators like yourself have enlightened me and given me the confidence I need to act. So I went online and started my town's first and only Anarchist group. We have 3 members since I created it a few days ago... ☮
@58209
@58209 2 жыл бұрын
i really like that you also pull examples from non-Western cultures
@oj3730
@oj3730 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly! Expanding the view.
@DrAnarchy69
@DrAnarchy69 2 жыл бұрын
Just starting to watch and already can confirm it’s another banger
@frederickcstacey.7520
@frederickcstacey.7520 2 жыл бұрын
I must agree wholeheartedly.
@jedgrahek1426
@jedgrahek1426 2 жыл бұрын
"Their individuality has been sacrificed, in order to mold them into projections and figureheads, of individualist, capitalist aspiration." I really like the way you write. Dense and academic (for KZfaq, I mean), but without completely sacrificing aesthetics and emotional/intuitive expression/engagement. edit: It's hilarious to me that the person who officially named this theory/line of thinking was actually endorsing it, arguing positively for its correctness. I had honestly always assumed it was named by modern historians critiquing the work and biases of more traditional historians. It is also very enlightening about the general trend of thought in the past, that this wasn't merely an academic name given to the biased way in which historians focused only on the rich and famous, but rather a genuine idea that even 'serious thinkers' of the time actually believed. And of course there are extraordinary individuals, or individuals who were put in extraordinary circumstances and acted well, and people whose individual contributions to human history are unique and irreplaceable... but they are artists, inventors, scientists, etc.... not rich captains of industry or warleaders. Those people are just filling a role that someone else would fill if they weren't doing it, a role which is about masses of people working in unison towards a common goal.
@PearTree450
@PearTree450 Ай бұрын
To say someone else would a filled in the role of a ceasar or genghis khan is laughable.
@figuremeoutyourself
@figuremeoutyourself 2 жыл бұрын
so much love to your videos, there's a lot of amazing creators on here who are teaching/explaining important things but your particular perspective on the world and how we can move forward is always so, so thoughtful and community-oriented and it's so heartening to be reminded that there are people pushing for this in our communities and around the world. thank you as always
@sagebuttercrunch
@sagebuttercrunch 2 жыл бұрын
I have definitely seen the damage of hero worship and putting people on a pedestal.
@isixqueenxofxmadness
@isixqueenxofxmadness Жыл бұрын
Two thoughts: I was once involved in a feminist org. and we always took down any president or leader who became too powerful or notorious. This helped us distribute power better, but outsiders always thought we were unorganized for our lack of recognizable leaders. Our org. was quite influential, we managed to formulate and instate two new laws. But we didn't have a face, we had no public visibility. My other thought was that, when I was a scout leader, I always tried to make the rest of the team feel like I was not an authority. This always helped me receive better criticism AND make sure everyone's good ideas were being put forward. In short, being the leader was being the one that put the team's best ideas into practice. Self doubt and low self esteem make for a good leader 😂
@othelliusmaximus
@othelliusmaximus 2 жыл бұрын
That Lebron James delivery was perfect 😂
@PatrickCordaneReeves
@PatrickCordaneReeves 2 жыл бұрын
Came here to say this.
@carsonpearce5980
@carsonpearce5980 2 жыл бұрын
what good timing! im doing a small project in one of my classes on cultural hegemony and how it enforces hierarchy. the three sections of my argument are atomization, alienation, and the idealization of personal responsibility/success, and this video really ties into the ideas im trying to summarize in the third section :) very cool video p.s. i loved the joke with gilgamesh and enkidu enkidu’s lack of gender makes them one of my favorite semi-human mythological characters even though i don’t know that much about them
@grim524
@grim524 2 жыл бұрын
The human psyche craves archetypes, which is why myth is so vital. Movies and celebrity culture are cheap counterfeits. I see celebrity worship as a side effect of hyper individualism under capitalism. Celebrities are merely commodities to be consumed.
@CCDR07
@CCDR07 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not so sure that the human psyche craves archetypes universally, but think it may have much more to do with cultural re-enforcement within hierarchical societies. Therefore, I completely agree with your last point, but less so with your premise. I think what we do crave is heuristics and simplified models to help make sense of aspects of our realities. This is in part what myths are, and they also serve to more easily communicate and transmit valuable (tried and tested) models/heuristics amongst a group and across generations.
@dy48
@dy48 2 жыл бұрын
I never thought of looking as celebrities like that, perhaps there is something to it when I compare the US vs Germany or Japan. The people in places such as Europe are far less obsessed with celebrities in comparison, perhaps because we have thousands of years of history tied to us? Interesting thought to explore
@navilluscire2567
@navilluscire2567 2 жыл бұрын
@@CCDR07 The general trends of gaming that seemingly all leads to the simplification and streamlining of mechanics and design philosophy I think is a good view into the human mind's desire to well...simplify things. Trying to create shortcuts or cut down things into more manageable chunks isn't inherently bad, infact it's how ideas like solidarity, community building, and activism are shared so much with more and more people. The problem is that people can and will try to *OVER-simplfy* things if not outright refuse to ever acknowledge the nuances or true complexity of stuff, when the whole point of simplicity is that it creates a base for people to build of from NOT stick to at their own longterm detriment.
@CCDR07
@CCDR07 2 жыл бұрын
@@navilluscire2567 Yeah, good points. You might like checking out a book by Ian McGilchrist called "The Master and his Emissary", which is in part an exploration of western cultural trends over the last few hundred-thousandish years, where our cultures have been shifting to yield to more abstract/conceptualized modes of being and understandings of reality to the detriment of more holistic and experiential knowledge/understanding of nature and reality. And he makes the argument that this has been in part due to a postive feedback loop between our culture, our surroundings and built environment that we create/modify, and the developmental physiology of our brains (i.e. our culture and environment shaping the developmental paths of our individual brains). And in McGilchrist's case, he argues this also results in an upgrading on our reliance of cognitive processes largely facilitated by left hemispheric brain functions (e.g. abstractions including language), and down-grading our use of right hemispheric processes and understandings (e.g., pattern seeking/scanning, holistic integration of experiences and multi-sensory information, non-verbal communication, etc.).
@ppike__
@ppike__ Жыл бұрын
I think humans do universally crave archetypes, especially heroes during adolescence. Every culture seems to have its heroes, and it makes sense. Having a mentor to look up to while entering adulthood, guidance and inspiration is as universal as a babies attatchment to their parents. As a parent, some of these behaviours appear undeniably innate while others grow over time with experience , but there does seem to be an innate capacity prompted by and evolved for social archetypes.
@jingbot1071
@jingbot1071 2 жыл бұрын
Heroes are great in stories and games. It's always fun to witness a larger-than-life tale of mythic proportions. And that's exactly where they should stay: in the halls of fiction, not history. By far your best video, greatly looking forward to the next one!
@cheezbiscuit4140
@cheezbiscuit4140 Жыл бұрын
0:29 okay youve opened my eyes to a new way to think of that myth
@reverenddoctortex5385
@reverenddoctortex5385 2 жыл бұрын
im glad youre getting bigger man, was a pleasant surprise to hear you on the "it can happen here" podcast
@jollyswagman4714
@jollyswagman4714 2 жыл бұрын
Love the little flourishes of humour you've slipped into this one. Keep it up man, your videos are great.
@Matt_Fields_29
@Matt_Fields_29 Жыл бұрын
Mozart, as far as music stardom is concerned, was a prototype to Micheal Jackson. The reason he wasn't as famous or powerful is the lack of radio and travel technology.
@ignatiushazzard
@ignatiushazzard 2 жыл бұрын
Big fan so far - recommending your channel to anyone I can :)
@randcall5933
@randcall5933 2 жыл бұрын
My present self and my third-grade self commend you. I wrote in answer to an essay prompt to talk about one of our heroes, an essay about why I don't think people should have heroes at all. Great video.
@miketacos9034
@miketacos9034 2 жыл бұрын
I'd love a deeper dive into examples of how collectivist groups stay collective vs how sometimes individual leaders take over a bit too much. It's a huge topic.
@iloveowls8748
@iloveowls8748 2 жыл бұрын
Remember folks, this goes for all KZfaq personalities as well. We can watch for inspiration, but without just ending up consuming the work of our "favorite" (hero) KZfaqrs. We have to do the reading, thinking, (possibly writing) and organizing ourselves too. I also think it's important to be able to reach a point where one can be critical of even our most beloved and seemingly well-researched semi-professional online influences or the actual authors being conveyed through them, then we know we're on a path of balanced intellectual self-reliance (under influence always of course). Peace
@lilian1812
@lilian1812 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Andrew! As always. There's a quote from some random Twitter user I always keep in mind : "don't put anyone on a pedestal, you'll always end up disappointed". I think it's in our nature to have heroes and "great men" even you when you name all these author is a form of great man theory in a way. I'm not saying this like "haha! got you" but more to underline that admiring people who made great things, even if it means forgetting everything else that helped them is something we do as humans. It's almost like a cognitive bias. In social psychology, I learned that leaders are always decided by the group and not their position. There's also a type of leader that we call transformative bc they provide good relations within the group and also get the job done if the group is working on something. This combination make members of the group push themselves higher but not in a forced way. I believe these leader must be often considered as great mean and this is the distinction we have to make. There's are leaders who wants power and leaders who just want people from their group to be at their best and organize the relations between the group. But even then it's still the group that deserves all the recognition.
@hymio1646
@hymio1646 2 жыл бұрын
Joker Andrewism is truly terrifying lmao
@TheGrippler09
@TheGrippler09 2 жыл бұрын
This video is a masterpiece, but that's normal for you.
@erdood3235
@erdood3235 2 жыл бұрын
Not just great Men, but also great nations/ countries
@davidbouchard2499
@davidbouchard2499 2 жыл бұрын
Man thank you that's exactly how I feel about superheroes
@Mani_Manic
@Mani_Manic 2 жыл бұрын
We’re talking about this right now in my org, thank you for this vid! 🥰
@_harrop
@_harrop 2 жыл бұрын
Absolute banger
@wee3ist
@wee3ist 2 жыл бұрын
Hey just some random thought Really liked the video You usually make it seem as if hierarchy, as in the power to prefer one over another, is individualistic. but as I experience it, the hierarchies of state and capital are generalising people into collective groups and are preventing expression and individual will. Power over people is putting people in the boxes of "I and people like me should serve" or in those of "I and people like me should be served and obeyed". It's not individualism or living as yourself and no more, commodity based identities are collective in function. Capitalism doesn't make us solitary, it makes us dependant on it to experience empathy or experience bond. Atomisation is more of a dissociation than any form of autonomy or focusing on your own needs and will.
@TheAmericanAmerican
@TheAmericanAmerican 2 жыл бұрын
As a former Elon Musk stan, I say hell yea! We, the People, the Workers, have achieved greatness throughout all of human history! And without standing on the shoulders of those who labored before our time, we would have nothing!
@Cia-Coo
@Cia-Coo Жыл бұрын
Your statements on Che Guevara, especially in reference to the notion that the heroic status of Che is an expression of Great Man Theory, belies a deep misunderstanding of the difference between the heroization of national leaders of colonial nations versus that of colonized nations. To use Che Guevara as an example, he is first of all someone who had tangible and real relationships with the people of Cuba; he is not seen as somehow above or greater than the Cubans, he was and continues to be viewed as a member of the Cuban community. Nobody believes Che had any kind of divine right which gives him his heroic status, rather there is a large proportion of people who very literally knew Che personally, or at the very least continues to have very tangible benefits from the medical system he helped organize. Glorifying Che in Cuba is not seen as elevating Che onto a level above the people of Cuba, but rather elevating the whole of the people of Cuba, as Che was a member of the community, and the two worked in tandem for the national liberation and improvement of conditions of the people of Cuba. Celebrating Che is celebrating the Cuban people. This is completely and totally incomparable to the glorification of the national icons of the United States. Not only do people actually and directly make use of Great Man Theory to elevate these people to high levels, often literally considering them martyrs and saints of various sorts (and thus revered above the average person), but the fact is that these were not national icons in a liberatory sense, but in a colonial sense. The efforts they led for the development of the United States was an organization of violence, slavery, segregation, and expansionism, stealing land from the Indigenous people while forcing disproportionate amounts of slaves to toil the stolen land so they may maintain their revered status. Glorification of these icons is upholding the colonial rule of the nation-state that they organized. Comparing celebrating Che Guevara to celebrating George Washington is colonizer nonsense which only supports the colonizer's efforts in undermining the human rights of Cuba.
@navilluscire2567
@navilluscire2567 2 жыл бұрын
To a degree this is why, for the longest time I've been kinda burned out by the concept of adventurers or fantasy heroes in many RPGs who single handedly solve all their worlds' problems because for some reason they're expected to move literally heaven and earth. Meanwhile the masses of people from these settings basically exist to be utterly helpless, useless, and at most just prop up the egos of the "great figures" i.e. player characters who are the only ones allowed to have any illusion of agency! So why not instead have RPGs that are designed around giving power back to the masses instead of jealously hoarding it, invested only into a few hands, namely the players. Why not instead of a few legendary, unrealistic heroes taking down a *dragon tyrant* instead it is the community that defeats or "depowers" this scaly icon of hierarchical society! This is why I've warmed up more and more to the idea of *"group magic"* or multiple 'weaker' casters or even "non-caster" participants pooling their power and focus together in order to accomplish something grand in scale, something that not even the singularly most powerful magic users could accomplish or atleast not as often such feats nor as lasting. I mean we always have in alot of stories or adventures that are about groups of demon cultists come together to try and summon their terrible demon lords to bring about the apocalypse or whatever else terrible. Why not instead have a movement of people dedicated to giving magic back to the masses, and they seek to do so through a mass ritual of siphoning magical power from elites that rule over society and imbuing it into all the people. *"Let the democratization of magic reign freely"!* -by revolutionary fighter and activist goblin woman
@ruplayinggame3080
@ruplayinggame3080 2 жыл бұрын
That was beautiful! I decided quite a few years ago not to have heroes anymore and then I saw how the idea of a hero is just bullshitty and kinda fetishizing. I wrote down the last sentence, about ''creating ways to share power and knowledge ...' and so on, it was gorgeous and it feels like it translates to relationships as well
@ericrae7531
@ericrae7531 2 жыл бұрын
It's an interesting dilemma. We all want to be known and loved. Some of us want to be known and loved by as many people as possible. I wonder how much of that is because we don't have fulfilling everyday lives.
@semiengima
@semiengima 2 жыл бұрын
Much like how imo the use of Heritage, great men just condenses all human works and greatness to a few. It makes easier for certain ppl to take power
@thefrostbee4182
@thefrostbee4182 2 жыл бұрын
Do you have any ideas on how to fight individualism, and moreso how to move towards collectivism? Im a swedish anarchist, and the culture here is hyper-individualistic and gets more individualistic by the day. i notice that my dreams of how i wish to radicalise in my future tend to follow the idea of escaping society and building a more anarchistic life out in some small village, but that seems tied to escapism and individualism. Its a struggle for me to imagine collectivist paths i can take to improve my life and my society, as the society around me grows increasingly fascist and racist. every mutual aid project ive seen around here is either struggling or is already collapsed, and community projects are very rare.
@ernststravoblofeld
@ernststravoblofeld 2 жыл бұрын
The world needs large and small communities.
@finneganlindsay
@finneganlindsay 2 жыл бұрын
I think you're going to have to think outside of this "Individualiam vs Collectivsim" dichotomy. And I would suggest not to make your goal to "Radicalize".
@zinjanthropus322
@zinjanthropus322 2 жыл бұрын
Tribe, one the oldest inventions.
@someanimeguy4722
@someanimeguy4722 2 жыл бұрын
While I don’t like hyper-individualism, the collectivism vs. individualism dichotomy isn’t really a thing, as I believe anarchism (and anarcho-communism at that) is the greatest way of realizing the potential of the individual. There are many individualist/egoist anarchists out there, and they see that individualism is not itself bad, only when capitalism creates an oppressive system based on it.
@thefrostbee4182
@thefrostbee4182 2 жыл бұрын
@@someanimeguy4722 I think that boils down to how u view those words. I don’t think individualism just means caring for urself. And I don’t think collectivism is a lack of caring for urself. If anything I think it comes down to focus. Collectivism is moreso focusing on urself and those u care about through creating a society with safety nets and security for all so no one goes through unnecessary suffering. Meanwhile I think individualism moreso focuses on what the individual can do by expending labor and skills into obtaining ur own luxury, happiness, and power to protect urself and ur own. This is a pretty bad example but still, I say it to show that most likely a lot of the issues lie in how we all define individualism and collectivism
@JDCosmos8
@JDCosmos8 2 жыл бұрын
You shoulda called me up for the lebron james line I woulda had it right
@mekarum
@mekarum 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! 100% agree about Brecht, the man had a knack for dropping bangers! "Questions from a worker who reads" and "die Lösung"/"the solution" are ones I always try to keep in mind :)
@Q269
@Q269 2 жыл бұрын
Lebraun James sounded like you changed cultures to pronounce that XD
@108kitsune
@108kitsune Жыл бұрын
Dang first video i’ve seen laid out so well and explaining so many sides for the issue
@patrickzingler4372
@patrickzingler4372 2 жыл бұрын
Always nice to hear how revered my home town's biggest author is by people all over the world.
@juststatedtheobvious9633
@juststatedtheobvious9633 2 жыл бұрын
Numbers 31: 17, 18 sums up why I'll never trust another Great Man myth again. Plus, Columbus. If those depraved sociopaths can be canonized as heroes, then how can I trust that same society to choose other role models? Sure, King is a dramatic improvement, but he would have been a victim without X's people protecting his marches. And he didn't do it on his own.
@dustind4694
@dustind4694 2 жыл бұрын
Bayard Rustin is scarcely mentioned in discussions of King, despite being a staunch ally, great advisor, and an openly gay Quaker, as well as a Black man. Ella Baker, Dorothy Cotton... The list is long. I admire Dr King, but he was one of many, and supported by diverse groups and tactics, each heroic in their own right and taking risks just as great. Which is why success was in reach at all.
@celestialgatekeeper5136
@celestialgatekeeper5136 2 жыл бұрын
Nikola Tesla was a hero and he wasn't a psychopath
@trotskyeraumpicareta4178
@trotskyeraumpicareta4178 2 жыл бұрын
13:18 I have to compliment your choice of painting. One of the greatest in art history.
@slimetank394
@slimetank394 2 жыл бұрын
This is why I don't have hero They say when you meet your hero, you often face with disappointment, i find that to be the truth more often than not. Sometimes their title as heroes are merely masks to hide their true faces as monsters. Now knowing the role of heroes in maintaining the current oppressive structure of this hierarchical system, there's more reason to reject the image of heroes all together. It's time to become our own heroes, together.
@SgtKaneGunlock
@SgtKaneGunlock Жыл бұрын
a lot of the point Alan Moore was trying to make in watchmen was that if superheroes actually existed they would be hit with the human realities of having power and how its not great for the world physically and the person wielding it mentally this shouldn't come to a surprise as Alan Moore is an avowed anarchist with a chip on his shoulder
@devofficialchannel
@devofficialchannel 10 ай бұрын
I still find it weird how there are people who actually saw Rorschach as an "ideal model" of sort...despite the comic (and to an extent, the movie adaptation) shows that he's really just violent and self-righteous. I'll admit that we all kinda took Watchmen for granted.
@AlexirLife
@AlexirLife 2 жыл бұрын
Another fabulous video. Thank you. There is a process that was used by indigenous people in Australia to come up with The Uluru Statement From The Heart, in response to a reconciliation process in Australia. It's an excellent example of a leaderless process. It's something that, as a white Australian, I admire enormously, especially because it's in contrast to the white way of doing such things. Check it out
@58209
@58209 2 жыл бұрын
i really love your words on how the great man theory relates to organizing and anarchist spaces.
@Illstatefishing
@Illstatefishing 2 жыл бұрын
We need to make corporations and restaurants obsolete and irrelevant, then eventually the state!!
@RM-yw6xe
@RM-yw6xe 11 ай бұрын
ALL famous people are kids of famous people. You, your audience, and myself were never meant to reach their level of success. We are not supposed to get that big break. The concept of scraping one's way from utter bottom to fame and fortune is a lie we keep feasting on. We idolise the rich and desire what they have because we were always meant to. We were never meant to succeed only venerate THEM. If everyone is special then no one is special... see? I lost all my past "heroes". My biggest hero destroyed himself in my eyes. He is not a hero... he is a troll. I let go the other heroes, will not look into how bad THEY are because I frankly do not want to know what deep, dark, narcissistic crap behind them. The only hero I have is myself, those who treat me with respect and are emotionally and morally honest. Frak "great" people... they never were all that great. Peace to you too.
@coyoten8897
@coyoten8897 Жыл бұрын
excellent vid and i appreciated your post script
@k98killer
@k98killer Жыл бұрын
What do y'all think about liquid democracy? It seems like a very pragmatic step in the right direction, assuming someone gets the code right for running it properly. (On my to-do list, somewhere after I get the component technologies built.)
@rooting4phoenix
@rooting4phoenix Жыл бұрын
This is a truly comprehensive perspective Andrew. I appreciate your look into both the public AND the individual's responsibility in creating change. The "What about Leadership" section of this video tied a nice bow on the hero narrative we've all heard and grown sick of hearing. It's very important to acknowledge the leaders, such as yourself, that work tirelessly to bring these types of messages to public awareness. The Goal of the movement is the most important factor, not our commonalities of repression. Opportunists exist within the proletariat itself, so it is paramount that we leave room for those lone leaders that support the movement on high.
@sol3019
@sol3019 11 ай бұрын
just wanna add: celebrity culture has been a phenomenom in japan since the 17th century since the advent of popular theatre in basically capitalist-esque run cities. Although not comparable in scale to today, you can still find the remnants of gossip culture and almost obsessions that some people had for actors in books, actor critiques (which you can pretty much call magazines) and even ukiyoe art
@BeQuietEntertainment
@BeQuietEntertainment 2 жыл бұрын
Great video with some much needed bonus info at the end.
@glitchygear9453
@glitchygear9453 2 жыл бұрын
Irregardless of how eloquent you may be, it cannot change the fact that the statement "our heroes are deeply flawed" is not the same statement as "our heroes are not heroes". It would appear you are making the same mistake as the very people you criticize - you require people to be inhumanly flawless and capable in order to be considered heroes at all. In that sense, your entire premise is flawed, which naturally leads to flawed conclusions. Now, I do strongly agree that all too many of the people our society holds up as "heroes" are simply not worthy of that name. Celebrity culture has perfected the art of lying by omission, and knows how to make someone appear as they are not. Likewise, most modern politicians (on both sides of the aisle) who we uphold as "heroes" don't actually accomplish very much, regardless of their political ideology and campaign goals, if only due to the violent nature of modern partisanship. But rather than look at this and conclude that they are representative of heroism itself, I instead call these figures "false heroes". And our culture today has many false heroes. I also agree that all people should try and take initiative in projects they are involved in, as well as the lives of those around them. But I think you are confusing "initiative" with "leadership". Simply taking initiative, simply pushing forward, does not make you a leader. Leaders guide, and good leaders guide without excessively controlling; by the very nature of guiding roles, only at most a minority of members of a group can be the guides for the whole. Guiding is one skill among many - a skill that not everyone need have, and a task that takes up enough time on its own that it makes it difficult to do any of the equally important jobs that make the project "tick". Now on some projects the guide can also take on other roles in addition to their guiding role, but some projects require you to "guide" full time. For example, the very idea of a judge in a courtroom is to be a "guide" for the courtroom, and is intensive enough to be a full time endeavor. The other people in the courtroom, such as the prosecutor, defense attorney, and bailiff are all extremely important as well, but they are not leaders, simply because their job demands that they cannot be in the interest of total fairness. (Granted the court system is not perfectly fair, but it's impossible to create a perfectly fair system, simply due to our world's natural complexity.) Now, I don't like how society likes to equate "the guide" with "the hero". The most important role, or alternatively the role which sets the entire project in motion, or alternatively the role by which the entire project moves forward, CAN be the guiding role, but also CAN be any number of other roles. It depends on what's happening, and why. It would be much more logical to equate the hero with "the engine", that minority of people who shoulder the heaviest burden or strongest risk and therefore by which a project simply cannot move forward. But again, disliking how heroes are typically defined is not the same as disliking the very idea of a hero. Same with the idea of reward - those that shoulder the most risk and burden should have the greatest reward, but our society likes to instead prop up any and all guiding roles as the most essential, when very often that guiding role isn't very risky or even difficult. I would also note that it is impossible to make everyone, everywhere, have an approximately equal risk, an approximately equal reward, and an approximately equal amount of leadership for a particular task. Anyone who's worked with a large group knows that you simply cannot match everyone's vision simultaneously, regardless of how much you may want to; in that sense, every project needs a guide, and no project can have more than a minority of people who guide. As stated before, the guide should rarely get the greatest reward (especially if, as is the case with many CEOs today, they don't actually do much guiding). But of course every project of more than two people needs a guide. I could go on but I've made the point I intended to. No need to complicate things with other philosophical topics.
@Nai-qk4vp
@Nai-qk4vp 7 ай бұрын
We can delegate a particular task. Some people may be chosen for their expertise in some area. And no, we don't need a minority guides. All of us can be guides I worked on countless group projects and we all did have at least some of our vision made reality. And rewards are actially bad for motivation. Intrinsic motivstion is what we need. The pleasure of the deed, the motivstion to see it succeed is a reward all on its own. People who think if rewards are .not given they won't do things simply do not understand behavior.
@Nai-qk4vp
@Nai-qk4vp 7 ай бұрын
Why is it so hard for some people who just trust others?, To just accept that they're goid enough in their way? Not better. What the hell makes some people think their crap tastes like candy.
@FeyPax
@FeyPax 2 жыл бұрын
Yessssss channel your inner billy butcher!! Honestly I’ve been obsessed with this conversation forever
@strigoi_guhlqueen8355
@strigoi_guhlqueen8355 2 жыл бұрын
A very good video. Wounderfully constructed and extremly relevant. Heros are difficult figures. The only thing i would not put at the count at 2:45 are the Gladiators. Them often being slaves or war prisoners and rearly free.
@naturalistmind
@naturalistmind 2 жыл бұрын
I recently read the narrative of the life of Frederick Douglass, I'd say it's the most important book I have ever read.
@sharonbaker3007
@sharonbaker3007 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating!! Love it!!!
@imacrostutorial
@imacrostutorial 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with your point, absolutely but why its always the people in power who always framed as the source of problem, they sure the one who benefit the most and will likely to protect status quo... But these celebrity worship and glorification of great men is simply the results of our own nature. The fault of human nature. Part of our instinct that we need to surpass in order to become better human being. Just want to share my opinion. Peace.
@v_tomazoni
@v_tomazoni 2 жыл бұрын
Tarsila do Amaral.... great choice 👏
@voxorox
@voxorox 2 жыл бұрын
I hesitated to watch, because most YT essays tend to ramble or endlessly repeat themselves. Well done on this one. Well written and well read. I am reminded of a scene in the classic sci-fi series Babylon 5. A ruling council (Minbari, an alien race) that had been composed of 9 members, 3 from each of the 3 castes of that society, was broken apart by conflict created between the 2 dominant castes: Warrior and Religious. It was later reformed, again with 9, but this time 5 of the 9 were of the "forgotten" caste: the Workers. The ones who built the temples and assembled the warships. The ones who had been overlooked and trampled under foot throughout the conflict. I've always loved that aspect of the show.
@cognophile
@cognophile 2 жыл бұрын
Delenn is a heroic figure in B5.
@HigoWapsico
@HigoWapsico 2 жыл бұрын
Some argue that David and Goliath, have it backwards, wherein David was the “giant” as he was a marksman and was skilled in using the only weapon of the times capable of “firing” projectiles...the slingshot Just saying
@shaunhall960
@shaunhall960 Жыл бұрын
It's also a reflection of a person's character when they think they need to be saved by their hero. If you don't act on what you think is right, no one else will.
@jermainegrays
@jermainegrays 2 жыл бұрын
That "LeBron James" took me out 😂😂😂
@abird4170
@abird4170 2 жыл бұрын
I have a few problems with this video. Firstly you don’t actually in any meaningful way disprove great man theory only saying that great men oppress and kill and that the people are to be upheld and venerated as the makers of history. However the people only did those things because they were ordered to. Babylon was not built by “the people” because that would mean they wanted or the majority wanted to build it up the idea came from a single source and the leadership extended from that source and as such he is the great man as he is the source even though not the method through which all those deeds are achieved. Also great men are never good men, 19th century French men thought ceaser was the pinnacle of what a man is even though he slaughtered and enslavedtheir ancestors because he had virtues the average man did not posses such as higher intelligence, leadership capabilities and charisma, however they didn’t think he was a good man, they saw him as a cruel yet extremely talented person and idolised them because of that. Secondly you seem to think that “the people” is something to be embraced rather then overcome. “The people” is just a far nicer way of saying the Herd. However the herd is something to be overcome you must go from the herd to a man and put your own individual striving and affirmation over that of the average man even if your goal is to give back to the community. For some reason you also seem to think insurgents or people against the current order as somehow good inherently (I suppose this comes from our Christian moral system) instead of people against the order, Their is also a problem as seeing great people as being made up from their surroundings as it leans into the blank slate view which has been disproven by not just other philosophers (indeed even if man is a blank slate their must still be a slate no?) but scientists to. You seem to also be think it’s somehow unnatural and cruel for the high to oppress the low when it’s simple human nature that a few will control the many no matter what system. It’s called the iron law of oligarchy and even systems “for the people” will turn into oligarchies. Even that oh so precious anarchism will turn to this as a few great men in that system will be able to somehow convince others to follow them. Adding to that anarchism must be democratic which is the worst way to run the world (Hans Herman hoppe points this out fantastically) Theirs also stuff like calling the originator of great man theory as a fascist which as someone who has actually read fascist texts I can assure you isn’t the case. And implying it’s bad that our history books is filled with great white men when, who would of guessed we live in the west who’s citizens (barring America) are mostly extremely white.
@bingbong3643
@bingbong3643 2 жыл бұрын
This was a good rebuttal to this drivel.
@DivinizedOne
@DivinizedOne 8 ай бұрын
Damn just went to your twitter and saw you’re trinidadian, I recognized the accent lol, i’ve been seeing a lot more trinidadians online recently 🇹🇹 We getting relevant frl
@maycross9012
@maycross9012 2 жыл бұрын
Moten and Harney talk about the black (ante) hero in the book "All Incomplete" pointing out that there is something that is prior to and that outlasts the memorial of the black hero. This something is in part the refusal of memorialization. I feel like their writing on this adds to the discourse an afro pessimist/ afro optimist lens.
@stupidtrooper501
@stupidtrooper501 2 жыл бұрын
I can't help but to see that the positing of Che, Sankara and the "Founding Fathers" in your example is lopsided. Of all the flaws of Sankara and Che they didn't advocate for wholesale genocide of whole groups of people, they didn't build their systems on the cruelest chattel slavery. Comparing flawed individuals being raised up as symbols of a movement is not the same as the aggrandizement of colonizers. There is a reason the EZLN still hold up Zapata as an example to follow despite organizing using communal democratic principles.
@jose.montojah
@jose.montojah 2 жыл бұрын
My good man, here's hoping you be famous. The last famous individual and the gates to a new age of social capital for all!
@UncleKeith567
@UncleKeith567 2 жыл бұрын
Andrew, I've been on that no infallible heroes page for years, publicly, but I still had a few heroes hidden away. Sankara is one. Calling me out like that! Not cool!
@gentlemanscarecrow5987
@gentlemanscarecrow5987 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know if you'll read this, but I want to ask, as someone who keeps spending time watching video essayists talk about social change, about establishing communities and caring about one another, I want to know what I'm supposed to do. I want someone to stop talking theory for a moment and give me ideas for what action to take beyond voting or donating to a random cause. At what point have I watched enough videos to know what I'm supposed to do? I have no intention of enacting violence to overthrow my government. I want to participate in a smaller community, to cultivate one, but I don't know where to look. I feel connected to my family, I'm part of many a fandom, and I've lived in an intentional community my whole life, but I still feel like something's missing. I don't feel like I'm truly part of the communities I align myself with. What am I supposed to do? What are the first steps? Do you know?
@Andrewism
@Andrewism 2 жыл бұрын
I cannot speak for other video essayists and I don't know how many of my videos you've seen, but this channel has never proposed voting or donating to random causes. I've broken down mutual aid and all the different avenues for action within it, I've proposed the practice of permablitzing as a method of bringing communities together and developing food autonomy, I've spoken about how anarchists can spread our ideas and push existing movements in more libertarian directions, I've broken down the practice of consensus organising, I've shared my thoughts on alternatives to education, I talk constantly about solarpunk visions and actions, etc etc etc. And I have a suite of videos I've yet to develop discussing many other elements of praxis, theory, and history. But a video can only do so much. You need to be able to take the information you've consumed critically and use it to formulate a viable strategy rooted in your local context and material conditions. I can't speak on that because I don't know your life. All I can say is that you should look at the needs of the people around you and seek out solutions. Whether that comes in the form of tenant or workers' unions, community assemblies to solve the issues your neighbourhood is facing, or even tackling a larger project, such as fundraising to establish a library of things, food pantry, community garden, or even housing for those in need. Perhaps there's a movement in your area that you can find on social media or google and get involved with and support. Perhaps you can encourage them to connect with similar or different movements in your locale or region. Push them in a more radical direction. It's up to you.
@gentlemanscarecrow5987
@gentlemanscarecrow5987 2 жыл бұрын
@@Andrewism You're right, I've only just been getting into your videos, and I didn't mean to insinuate that you had only suggested donations and voting, more that I've been getting frustrated with other content creators for not elaborating on that front. I asked you because you seem to have more ideas than I'm used to seeing put out there. I guess there's just a learning curve to this stuff. I need to carve out a place in my life for it, and I find that a lot of the people I talk to don't really know what to suggest. I wind up funneled into algorithms and spend more time consuming content than trying to help anyone get anything done. I'll look into what you've suggested. Thanks for taking the time to respond
@Andrewism
@Andrewism 2 жыл бұрын
I understand your frustration and I wish you the best of luck
@navilluscire2567
@navilluscire2567 2 жыл бұрын
I also don't think it helps that most people are unfortunately raised to be pro-authritarian. Even after leaving traditional hierarchical structures like a religion one was raised in that same mindset or ideas about submission to a higher authority aren't easy things to let go of. So even long after one doesn't believe in the old higher authority figure like ""God"" or rather its "appointed leadership" people can still have this idea that there's still such a thing as a legitimate higher authority out there they just have to find it and then submit to it because that's what they think they should do.
@lanelledwards2225
@lanelledwards2225 2 жыл бұрын
Great job. 👍
@projecterik1241
@projecterik1241 2 жыл бұрын
mans compared sankara and che to the fucking founding fathers
@Andrewism
@Andrewism 2 жыл бұрын
it wasn't a comparison, let alone a moral equivocation. they were examples drawn from a very diverse grouping of political figures.
@OofieDooples
@OofieDooples 2 жыл бұрын
Look, I'm not an anarchist, but saint Andrew stays dropping heat, even if don't always agree with his methods to reaching a post capitalism world.
@ernststravoblofeld
@ernststravoblofeld 2 жыл бұрын
You've got to start somewhere.
@kingofinkxd6469
@kingofinkxd6469 2 жыл бұрын
Andrew? I hate the term "Don't be a hero." It feels like it tells people that we can just stand by and let injustice happen before our eyes because we can leave that response for the authorities who often just make things worse when they get there. I don't care who you are, BE A HERO, I'll have your back. I think it's a SolarPunk idea for people to respond to violence with shields/armour and nonlethal weapons instead of hand-cannons that can end a life in one shot. Where is my right to bear armor?
@BillyBasd
@BillyBasd 2 жыл бұрын
Armor almost always lags behind arms technology. Guns were once great levelers. The Uber-rich guy who trained to kill all his life with the extremely costly armor that is nearly impossible to pierce is killable with a relatively inexpensive firearm that takes only a few weeks of training to use. Guns aren't so bad compared to the previous paradigm for the common people. They remove much of the superiority of the military caste.
@BillyBasd
@BillyBasd 2 жыл бұрын
What is a nonlethal weapon? There are less lethal, but all can kill. Tasers kill. Bunt weapons kill. Tear gas kills and is a war crime. Rubber bullets kill
@BillyBasd
@BillyBasd 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with you BE A HERO!!!
@Nai-qk4vp
@Nai-qk4vp 7 ай бұрын
Heroes are just archetypes. Abstractions. We remove their humanity and reduce them to a symbol. We.ignore the inevitable falibility of all "heroes" in favour of this lie. And the "heroes" themselves are alienated from their fellow people. When they unwvoidably make mistakes, they are exacerbated because we stupidly expect them to be perfect. By all means, be active. Fight against injustice. But do not think yourself better than your fellow humans. Give up the idea. You don't need it. We all are good enough already. We don't need heroes or to be heroes to save ourselves.
@xenoblad
@xenoblad 2 жыл бұрын
Idk, I don’t disagree per se, I just wonder when we’ll get around to making some place we can go to instead of just “envisioning”. Over the past 3 years all I’ve seen and done with other anarchist in my area is do basic small scale charity work, and just endlessly talk about political theory. Like at this point, I feel like we’re just walking in circles. I’m not saying we should start some vanguard party to plan an eventual capture of the state, but I can appreciate that there’s something tangible to that project. Is there a KZfaqr out there who is part of an actual community of people who are progressing towards detaching themselves from relying on commodity production? I guess the Amish sort of do that, though I wouldn’t really call them anarchist. I’m just tired of the cycle of do generic full time job, help poor in charity, talk politics, repeat forever.
@Andrewism
@Andrewism 2 жыл бұрын
The book Prefigurative Politics has really helped me understand the practice more clearly. I'm working toward developing a local food autonomy project but that is gonna take a lot of time and resources. I think orgs and affinity groups need to expand their approach to politics significantly if anything is going to change. A lot of orgs are operating without a clear understanding of tactics, strategies, and short-term and long-term goals. Building a free clinic is a good short term goal, but it's ultimately one tactic in the long term strategy for expanding dual power for the long term goal of liberation. Another aspect of it is the need for greater social insertion in existing projects. There are a lot of movements with libertarian streaks that can be pushed toward those ends with just a little involvement from some committed people. And another aspect of it is the need to network, confederate, and bring projects together. Each individual org cannot do EVERYTHING. But lots of orgs working together can go very far. Lastly, without a road map or sense of timeline, it's easy to get stuck in a rut, spinning a wheel in mud and going nowhere. Our projects need a more disciplined and realistic focus on what can be accomplished with what resources and in what span of time. Those are just some scattered thoughts of mine. Hope it helps!
@otherperson
@otherperson 2 жыл бұрын
@@Andrewism would love to see someone describe a cohesive roadmap. Not like a step by step program but some vision of what we do to confederate and stuff, and what we do AFTER we have a big confederation.
@xenoblad
@xenoblad 2 жыл бұрын
@@Andrewism I don’t think you’re wrong per se. I just heard all of this before. Probably multiple times. If seen anarchist groups meet and network to talk about large scale work in the abstract. Though it always ends the same way. People go back to doing more or less the same things with maybe a tweak here or there. People are really afraid to center authority in any way that can coordinate the far away anarchist groups. It feels like we’re waiting for everyone to coincidentally want to do the same big thing in the same way instead of differing to some higher authority. I get that representative democracy is hierarchical, but waiting for near total consensus to do anything feels like it’ll take lifetimes to get anywhere in a large group. I just want to reach the point where I don’t need to work full time for a capitalist, or where I can join some housing co-op to not pay overly inflated rent.
@Sew_OzzyWar_Made_This
@Sew_OzzyWar_Made_This 2 жыл бұрын
WTF I keep getting unsubscribed?! 😤😤😤 This video was amazing!! 🎉👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽🎉 This needs to be a topic of conversation. We rely too much on "the big man" for solutions. If we build a community, anything is possible!
@JustSmexy
@JustSmexy 2 жыл бұрын
Andrew, could you get better sound or edit it so it doesn't go up and down between utterances? Good content, hope you improve further
@desi_anarch
@desi_anarch 2 жыл бұрын
Loved the video. So much to think about.
@aletheiaverite
@aletheiaverite 2 жыл бұрын
Brecht was first a playwright rather than a poet. Great video apart from that!
@ruhankatre
@ruhankatre 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing video
@notbenh
@notbenh 2 жыл бұрын
Well said, thank you!
@barbarapomeroy6497
@barbarapomeroy6497 2 жыл бұрын
Omg Crouton & Baguette just made me smile
@justaguy6216
@justaguy6216 2 жыл бұрын
When do we eat the rich? I'm hungry.
@kimathitalton8709
@kimathitalton8709 2 жыл бұрын
Excited to watch this!
@browk2512
@browk2512 2 жыл бұрын
I love your ideas :)
@zainmudassir2964
@zainmudassir2964 2 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah Community power!✊
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