The Case Against Reality | Prof. Donald Hoffman on Conscious Agent Theory

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We have no clue how consciousness emerges from 3 pounds of wet goo. Cognitive scientist Don Hoffman takes us deep into his research suggesting we're attacking the problem backwards. The implications may challenge all you know about our place in reality. Take the Red Pill and see how deep the rabbit hole goes...
In this extended interview we dive into the Interface Theory of Perception (how evolution hides the truth about reality in favor of a dumbed down "user interface" that only shows us "fitness payoffs" that help us survive), the "Hard Problem of Consciousness" and how we simply have no idea how consciousness could emerge from physical matter, the non-dual theory of Conscious Realism (how reality is really a social network of "conscious agents" and our perceptions are simply the interface by which we exchange experience with other agents), the math behind conscious agent theory, implications for artificial intelligence (AI), psychedelics, spirituality, and much, much more.
Commenters have called this the best interview Don Hoffman has done. Links to our prior conversation, more info on Conscious Agent Theory and Prof. Hoffman's work, and full written transcript at zdoggmd.com/incident-report-266
All audio podcast platforms are available, links here: zdoggmd.com/podcasting/consci...
0:00 Intro
1:22 Are we machines? Don’s motives for studying reality & his background in artificial intelligence & mathematics
6:38 Evolutionary game theory and how organisms are tuned to see fitness payoffs, not objective reality
11:46 The “Grand Theft Auto” analogy of perception as interface/symbolic representation
14:41 Differentiating solipsism & why we don’t just see SOME objective reality, we see NONE of it (YOU are the author of space and time)
21:06 The hard problem of consciousness and WHY it’s hard from a physicalist perspective
28:38 Conscious agent theory: consciousness is fundamental (rather than emerging from matter)
39:36 Challenging perceptual psychology; Piaget and object permanence
7:06 Amplituhedron and projecting quantum mechanics and relativity from conscious agent theory
50:42 Impact this theory can have on modern medicine and our limited understanding of mental health disorders
01:01:44 Deeper down the rabbit hole, and what happens when we die?
01:08:40 Artificial intelligence as a way to open new interfaces into the conscious agent realm
01:27:58 Examining Evolutionary Psychology; its relation to consciousness and resource limitation, logic & reason as tools of social persuasion
01:40:30 Psychedelics and meditation as tools to hack our perceptual interface and experience other conscious agents
01:47:02 Synesthetes as a glimpse into interface theory, evolution, and more
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@ZDoggMD Жыл бұрын

Full audio podcast version, transcript, timecodes and links: zdoggmd.com/incident-report-266/

@kenyettachenault2513 Жыл бұрын

@@laserhobbyist9751 HOW SO?

@Mikel8904 Жыл бұрын

@@laserhobbyist9751 OR, and more likely ... a greater expansion of consciousness and perception.

@matthewnicholson2699 Жыл бұрын

@@laserhobbyist9751 that's exactly what I was thinking!

@squirlmy Жыл бұрын

@@laserhobbyist9751 or transcendence to a higher plane. Frankly I wouldn't miss this world very much, It's full of pain and suffering!

@MICKEYISLOWD Жыл бұрын

@@squirlmy It's a juxtaposition. The Earth IS full of pain and suffering however with a backdrop of undeniable beauty. The Earth is simply stunning.

@jamesglass4842 3 жыл бұрын

Back in 97 I had a near fatal aneurysm that burst in my head. At one point after they saved my life I remember being floating in the Hospital corridor. I was separated from Brain and body. I could see, hear and think. The thinking was like speaking allowed?. There was a wall between me and my body and brain. I wasn’t interested in the flesh and blood container lying on the bed connected to a life support machine. I was in front of my brother and this nurse. I remember what he said to the nurse and what she said back. The Red light was flashing above my hospital door in the corridor. My brother said What is happening? The nurse said we think your brother is trying to breath on his own?. The way I could see was like looking out of a ball of energy or the orb state. I was the orb I was inside this orb. This is how I can describe how it was to visualise things?. The only thing I wasn’t doing was the respiration process as I was separated from my flesh and blood body. And I wasn’t interested in that thing lying there in that room. As it wasn’t me. I was in the corridor floating.

@piccadelly9360 3 жыл бұрын

Science wants to extract what you have experienced in mathematical formulas. I am very skeptical whether it will succeed

@1955annemarie Жыл бұрын

jamesglass4843, thank you for sharing your incredible experience. I especially appreciate that you explained about being an "orb." I have seen orbs, which I knew were relatives that had passed. Orbs were floating in circles in one area of the backyard. My uncle and my sister watched these orbs in amazement, and we all knew what we were seeing. 😊

@James-ll3jb Жыл бұрын

@@piccadelly9360 . Me too. It's too much the invention if just OUR mode of limited consciousness!

@dorothysay8327 Жыл бұрын

This is what’s referrred to be the term NDE, or Near-Death Experience. There are thousands of these on YoiTube; millions have experienced it. The jig is up, for the scientific/secular materialist. It’s over…has been for a century, even though our many disciplines refuse to recognize it. The philosopher-theologians? were right all along.

@canadiankewldude Жыл бұрын

@@1955annemarie Didn't you notice he could not talk. Demons are the ones actually talking to people, pretending to be your lost relative or friend. They watch and hear everything, copycat the person to trick you. Judgment Day is still coming, from the Creator of all life, even the Spiritual ones. *_Mat _**_10:28_**_ And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell._* *_KJB_*

@briansmith3791 4 жыл бұрын

This is the best interview with Donald Hoffman i've seen. And it was down to ZDoggMD's understanding of Hoffman's theory. A great dialogue.

@kevincarey1356 4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely correct...

@mikehynz 4 жыл бұрын

100%

@jeffsimoneaux5968 4 жыл бұрын

The Truth The Illumination of Conscience written in 2011 by author Jeffrey M. Simoneaux This was described in great detail about what and how the reality and nature of the universe truly is and that our perceived reality is profoundly different. We are truly beings of light and energy and our senses are transmitters designed to read their code and our brains are computers that use that code to create our false perceived reality.

@vulcancake 4 жыл бұрын

@@jeffsimoneaux5968 yes!

@ipsonuser 4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely, I saw another interview and the interviewer didn’t even let him finish sentences. Had to look further and this is by far my best too. The interviewer is also super eloquent and up to the task.

@peteholliday1927 2 жыл бұрын

I LOVE his openness ….so many scientists are so dogmatic and close minded !

@lulumoon6942 Жыл бұрын

And worse, they purport to be objective, a real hindrance to truth. 👀

@heinzditer7286 Жыл бұрын

@@lulumoon6942rational science is still done by irrational humans.

@iloveFreedom. Жыл бұрын

@@lulumoon6942 yeah!! In the days where people are paid to provide " answers" rather than having the intention or presence to seek truth, also 🥱 I trust it is lightening up, well, I feel I have to 😆🌻

@kimberlysmith7311 Жыл бұрын

Yes I heard once that the thing people are willing to die for is to be right. I guess because being right seems to strengthen our ego and makes us feel more secure somehow

@deankillen6345 Жыл бұрын

I once seen my neighbours dogs balls through a fence and a bird pecked them.

@thehighwayman78 2 жыл бұрын

You really should have Tom Campbell on! His theory of consciousness and "virtual reality" is very close to Prof. Hoffman's. A discussion with both of them would be fantastic!

@eleni8920 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for this. I love hiw we breaks down consciousness.

@katiemarte5354 4 жыл бұрын

This reminds me of my time in school, those who want to achieve real understanding of the subjects don't do as well in an exam as those students who trained to get high scores cause they are simply more focused on getting the right answers instead of having a deep understand of it.

@jhernandez8897 3 жыл бұрын

True

@goodwill8750 3 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of university ... ego versus consciousness

@alexchin1795 3 жыл бұрын

I independently came up with the same idea when I was in high school and was getting high with my friends.

@Chiro_ASMR 3 жыл бұрын

@@alexchin1795 well done.

@name5702 3 жыл бұрын

@@lefthookouchmcarm4520 the main purpose of a test is to teach you how to do well on tests

@gzy4407 4 жыл бұрын

This is the best conversation with Donald Hoffman I've seen. The questions posed and the summarizations of his responses help tremendously in making Prof Hoffman's views clear. Thank you!

@stevencooper4422 4 жыл бұрын

You could make a religion out of this!

@putyograsseson 4 жыл бұрын

Steven Cooper check indian philosophy/sanskrit

@Iranianjunkie 4 жыл бұрын

I agree. Fantastic interviewer for this person and topic.

@BavonWW 4 жыл бұрын

@@user-45674xcfr My viscera beg to differ.

@gazmasonik2411 4 жыл бұрын

@@Aliens-Are-Our-Friends2027 No ..a "mossad"group. complicit, with dual national "US zionist", fifth column! did 9/11. Otherwise, very true. Must try harder Over simplified is to hand them, anti semitic b.s. distraction ammunition lol.

@johnnycakeslim 3 жыл бұрын

Deep subjects like this require more than a quick video loaded with loose ends. Other scientists like Bruce Lipton, Tom Campbell at least bring it around to love being the highest of order that we are evolving towards which, for me, makes looking into it feel good.

@johnnycakeslim 2 жыл бұрын

@Psicólogo Miguel Cisneros Thanks for asking...Hi I havn't watched this video in a while and my recollection is vague and difficult to recall. My comments above are per other scientist perception of reality boiled down to quantum soup of waves and particles influenced by subconscious and less by consciousness. I sense that reality is based on perception and choice. I also sense I can change my perception of what we call reality with new intentions and elevated emotions that open doors to new possibility. The emotional aspect of being human with these perceptions is the tricky part for me.

@AT-yg4nk 11 ай бұрын

This is absolutely one of the most fascinating discussions and conversations I’ve ever seen on the nature of reality. It appears there is a merge of many different schools of thought happening here. The eastern philosophies, the new age ideologies surrounding the idea of the law of attraction and the quantum understandings of frequencies and vibrations, and the mixture of early religious dogma in its primitive attempt at explaining the natural world. Somehow this theory finds a thread between all of it! Fascinating. Also, regarding the section on psychedelics being a tool to access different “interfaces” in this user interface PERFECTLY describes the experience. I’ve always believed that a psychedelic experience was more than just my brain producing a visual auditory concoction for me to enjoy, but that something far more profound and real is taking place. You’re actually opening your pineal glad to other frequencies or interfaces and actually acquiring either a higher level of consciousness, or it’s a loophole in having the “mask” and curtain wiped away and your peering into the inter-workings of our three dimensional reality. Just incredible.

@stephanierubosky5695 4 жыл бұрын

This is the most interesting conversation that I don't understand that I've ever heard.

@WoodysAR 4 жыл бұрын

I'm with you. He really is just babbling,.. We can't know the truth anyways,.,

@cappnzak 4 жыл бұрын

I could not have stated it better myself! Wonderful,thanks Stephanie. :-)

@rebelsoul5980 4 жыл бұрын

We are living inside a constructed reality, we live in a realm.

@pookie4660 4 жыл бұрын

You only think you're hearing it. The construct in your mind forms relationships of familiar words. In this case English. Behind the sound are waves/vibrations that stimulate areas of your ears and brain. You're formulating an interface to interpret speech as English. I lost my point. I guess I don't understand it myself.

@joseepirri3441 4 жыл бұрын

"....he's not saying anything... he's just talking..."

@patrick764 4 жыл бұрын

This is the best interview of Dr. Hoffman that I’ve seen so far anywhere, in large part because of how well prepared the interviewer is.

@hoovesandpawsanimalrescue Жыл бұрын

What does it mean if I only grasp lil bits of the information given on quantum mechanics/philosophy etc., yet I can’t stop geeking out on this stuff?! Especially in the case of alternative realities..I love it! ❤

@sonyavincent7450 11 ай бұрын

All you need to understand is that you are the operative agent in your reality and you can learn to direct and control outcomes.

@glenncrowell6565 5 ай бұрын

I think it may mean that you can have the digestible bits of this leading work fascinate, actually captivate your interest and triple-fire your curiosity, without needing to understand every bit of the math or all the processes presented. It's awesome isn't it? I'm hooked, enjoy.

@franswa7251 3 жыл бұрын

Great interface, I mean interview! Don says “I don’t want to be dogmatic but I have to pursue this goal”..... I have never “met” someone so humble and modest as this kind gentle being! Thank you Mr Hoffman.

@jimvalko6044 3 жыл бұрын

The funny thing is Hindu philosophy was saying the same thing thousands of years ago with different terminology of course.

@NatrajChaturvedi 3 жыл бұрын

No actually even the terminology is very similar with descriptives like consciousness obviously. Ofc there was no math involved. Just the insights and vague glimpses into parallel realities experienced by yogis meditating on mountaintops all by themselves.

@mabz3233 3 жыл бұрын

4.TESTING SPHERE= Can be created if needed to test BEINGS and LAWS IN THE UNIVERSES as UNIVERSES consist of METAPHYSICAL AND PHYSICAL LAWS TOGETHER, for example LAW OF ATTRACTION BETWEEN DIFFERENT ELEMENTS AND MATTERS. 5.ETERNAL INFINETE PRIMAL ELEMENT SPHERE*MIND OVER MATTER*= WHICH CONSCIOUSNESSES CAN USE TO CREATE THEIR WORLDS WITHIN and FORM ANYTHING IMAGINABLE. 6. ETERNAL INFINETE SOUL SPHERE= WHERE ONE CAN CREATE INFINETE AMOUNT OF SOULS AND BEINGS INTO FORMS, WHERE SPIRIT ENERGY COMES FROM FOR ALL, WHERE HIGHER MIND AND SUBCONSCIOUS MIND IS CREATED= For example= ATOMS, PLANTS, ANIMALS, HUMANOIDS, DIMENSIONAL BEINGS, PLANETS, GODESSES/GODS, UNIVERSES. 7. ETERNAL INFINETE BALANCE SPHERE BETWEEN GOOD, BAD, NEUTRAL, NEUTRAL GOOD and NEUTRAL BAD for ALL SEEKING BALANCE and IF KNOWING BEING BALANCED ALL THE TIME. 8. PRIMAL ELEMENTAL SPHERE/PRIMAL SYMBOLS SPHERE= ADDINGS SYMBOLS and SPIRIT GUARD FOR EACH ELEMENTS AND HOW THEY CORRESPOND WITH EACH OTHER, FIRE, AIR, EARTH, WATER, LIGHTNING, COSMOS, LIGHT, DARK, MANA, HEALTH, STAMINA ALL WHICH ARE BALANCED BETWEEN GOOD, BAD, NEUTRAL, NEUTRAL GOOD, NEUTRAL BAD. 9. ASTRAL SPHERES-SPIRIT WORLDS, HOW MANY UNIVERSES AND WITHIN WORLDS, DIMENSIONS HAS THEIR OWN SPIRIT WORLD/ASTRAL WORLD WHICH ALL ARE CONNECTED WITH THE ARCHITYPAL UNIVERSES SYMBOL AND KNOWLEDGE OF ALL IS STORED WITHIN ASTRAL PARTICLES FROM ABOVE PRIMAL ELEMENTS AND ASTRAL AND FROM PHYSICAL TO ASTRAL. 10. GOD AND GODESSES SPHERES FOR EACH PLANET OR BEING A WORLD CAN BE CREATED FOR THEM TO RULE OVER ENERGIES FROM ABOVE OR BELOW, RANGE FROM GOOD, BAD, NEUTRAL, NEUTRAL GOOD AND NEUTRAL BAD, For example if ONE in PHYSICAL CREATES A BELIEF of a BEING HIGHER, and visiualizes that belief a SPHERE FOR CERTAIN BEING BELIEVED IN IS CREATED. 11. INFINETE ETERNAL FORMS ENERGY SPHERES= DIFFERENT ENERGY SPHERES CAN BE CREATED FOR PHYSICAL FORMS AND THEM BALANCED AND RULED OVER BY PLANETARY OR ANGELIC/DEMONIC OR GOD/GODESSES SPHERES. FOR EXAMPLE PLANET GOVERNS OVER A CERTAIN PART OF THE PHYSICAL BODY SO AN ENERGY SPHERE IS CREATED FOR THAT PART OF THE FORM. DIFFERENT ENERGIES MIXING WITH EACH-OTHER AND FOR THE ASTRAL AND PHYSICAL FORM TO MAKE THEIR BALANCE. 12.ETERNAL INFINETTE TIME SPHERE= WHERE ALL LAWS, KNOWLEDGE AND WISDOM OF TIME FOR DIFFERENT WORLDS/DIMENSIONS ARE CREATED AND THE SETTING OF TIME FOR DIFFERENT BEINGS OF FORM IS STORED FOR. 13. ETERNAL INFINETE DIMENSIONAL SPHERES FOR FORMS = IN DIFFERENT DIMENSIONS EXIST DIFFERENT SPIRITS IN FORMS AND ACT ACCORDING TO DIFFERENT LAWS OF THEIR DIMENSION. FROM LOWER TO HIGHER THE MORE COMPLEX THE DIMENSION BECOMES FROM SUB-ATOMIC PARTICLES TO UNIVERSES. 14. ARCHITYPAL SYMBOL SPHERE , CENTRE OF UNIVERSES= FOR ETERNAL INFINETE UNCONDITIONAL LOVE FOR THE ALL AND FOR ALL SPHERES ACT ACCORDINGLY TO KEEP INFINETE ETERNAL BALANCE IN THE UNIVERSES AND TO CONNECT DIMENSIONS WITH EACHOTHER BY LAWS AND FOR SPIRITS IN DIFFERENT DIMENSIONS TO CONNECT WITH EACHOTHER. FOR THE ALL TO BECOME ALL KNOWING BEING/BEINGS IN THEIR UNIVERSES. BODY/body's mind and soul, soul mind=astral body's mind=eternal infinite, i one knows and belives, and so it is so. In all dimensions. ONE CAN LEARN WHAT HAPPEND BEFORE ALL AND AFTER ALL IF YEE KNOW SO AND BELIVE SO AND KNOW THE TRUTH. To obtain the KNOWLEDGE of the UNIVERSE, ONE must/can activate the KEYS OF SEVEN and learn of the SYMBOLS of THE UNIVERSE. To CREATE inner UNIVERSE OR MULTIVERSE. Explaination of DEATH> Death is no more than HELPER for the transition of the SPIRIT of who THEE be from one FORM to the NEXT into SPIRIT WORLD, to take your OWN FORM. Every CONSCIOUSNESS IS THE MASTER of THEIR SPIRIT in FORM AND THEIR OWN MASTER OF THEIR FORMS DEATH AS IMMORTAL SPIRITS AND IMMORTAL CONSCIOUSNESSES. Numerology: meaning adding numbers together by adding them to one diget number (88= 8+8= 17=1+7=8) 8 is base frequency of which 88 vibrates as, as everything and everyone vibrates. (link: www.horoscope.com/us/horoscopes/numerology/index-horoscope-numerology.aspx) TEADMISED SULLE UNIVERSUMILT JA ZEL-ta-huh-diiv-feim-gron-Ro-mul-dovh-Fo-Drem-Shul-Neh-Viir-Zii-Zah-Laah-Gaan-haas'ilt. KNOWLEDGE TO THEE AND MUCH LOVE TO THEE. Physical body, physical MIND into astral MIND and astral body aka soul = ETERNAL INFINITY, find out if you want to. To make your own astral world in UNIVERSE of many multi-verses. To become ETERNAL INFINETE. O know finally that you are ETERNAL is the point of this knowledge sent before, and some after untill i pass from this physical form to the ETERNAL INFINETE ASTRAL or SPIRIT world. 13 chakras btw some say 7 but there are more and Yee can make more. THANK I THEE FOR BEING OF FORMLESS SPIRIT IN A PHYSICAL FORM GAINING KNOWLEDGE TO WISDOM. HTM TG HERMES TRISMEGISTUS TRICE GREATEST VANJA * Z E L * * * * * * * * * * *

@mabz3233 3 жыл бұрын

@@NatrajChaturvedi 3. ETERNAL INFINETE GUARDIAN SPHERE which also GUARDS THE SPHERES ABOVE AND BELOW = CAN CREATE BEINGS THAT GUARD THE UNIVERSES FOR ALL INFINETE ETERNITY*Wisdom,knowledge etc...* 4.TESTING SPHERE= Can be created if needed to test BEINGS and LAWS IN THE UNIVERSES as UNIVERSES consist of METAPHYSICAL AND PHYSICAL LAWS TOGETHER, for example LAW OF ATTRACTION BETWEEN DIFFERENT ELEMENTS AND MATTERS. 5.ETERNAL INFINETE PRIMAL ELEMENT SPHERE*MIND OVER MATTER*= WHICH CONSCIOUSNESSES CAN USE TO CREATE THEIR WORLDS WITHIN and FORM ANYTHING IMAGINABLE. 6. ETERNAL INFINETE SOUL SPHERE= WHERE ONE CAN CREATE INFINETE AMOUNT OF SOULS AND BEINGS INTO FORMS, WHERE SPIRIT ENERGY COMES FROM FOR ALL, WHERE HIGHER MIND AND SUBCONSCIOUS MIND IS CREATED= For example= ATOMS, PLANTS, ANIMALS, HUMANOIDS, DIMENSIONAL BEINGS, PLANETS, GODESSES/GODS, UNIVERSES. 7. ETERNAL INFINETE BALANCE SPHERE BETWEEN GOOD, BAD, NEUTRAL, NEUTRAL GOOD and NEUTRAL BAD for ALL SEEKING BALANCE and IF KNOWING BEING BALANCED ALL THE TIME. 8. PRIMAL ELEMENTAL SPHERE/PRIMAL SYMBOLS SPHERE= ADDINGS SYMBOLS and SPIRIT GUARD FOR EACH ELEMENTS AND HOW THEY CORRESPOND WITH EACH OTHER, FIRE, AIR, EARTH, WATER, LIGHTNING, COSMOS, LIGHT, DARK, MANA, HEALTH, STAMINA ALL WHICH ARE BALANCED BETWEEN GOOD, BAD, NEUTRAL, NEUTRAL GOOD, NEUTRAL BAD. 9. ASTRAL SPHERES-SPIRIT WORLDS, HOW MANY UNIVERSES AND WITHIN WORLDS, DIMENSIONS HAS THEIR OWN SPIRIT WORLD/ASTRAL WORLD WHICH ALL ARE CONNECTED WITH THE ARCHITYPAL UNIVERSES SYMBOL AND KNOWLEDGE OF ALL IS STORED WITHIN ASTRAL PARTICLES FROM ABOVE PRIMAL ELEMENTS AND ASTRAL AND FROM PHYSICAL TO ASTRAL. 10. GOD AND GODESSES SPHERES FOR EACH PLANET OR BEING A WORLD CAN BE CREATED FOR THEM TO RULE OVER ENERGIES FROM ABOVE OR BELOW, RANGE FROM GOOD, BAD, NEUTRAL, NEUTRAL GOOD AND NEUTRAL BAD, For example if ONE in PHYSICAL CREATES A BELIEF of a BEING HIGHER, and visiualizes that belief a SPHERE FOR CERTAIN BEING BELIEVED IN IS CREATED. 11. INFINETE ETERNAL FORMS ENERGY SPHERES= DIFFERENT ENERGY SPHERES CAN BE CREATED FOR PHYSICAL FORMS AND THEM BALANCED AND RULED OVER BY PLANETARY OR ANGELIC/DEMONIC OR GOD/GODESSES SPHERES. FOR EXAMPLE PLANET GOVERNS OVER A CERTAIN PART OF THE PHYSICAL BODY SO AN ENERGY SPHERE IS CREATED FOR THAT PART OF THE FORM. DIFFERENT ENERGIES MIXING WITH EACH-OTHER AND FOR THE ASTRAL AND PHYSICAL FORM TO MAKE THEIR BALANCE. 12.ETERNAL INFINETTE TIME SPHERE= WHERE ALL LAWS, KNOWLEDGE AND WISDOM OF TIME FOR DIFFERENT WORLDS/DIMENSIONS ARE CREATED AND THE SETTING OF TIME FOR DIFFERENT BEINGS OF FORM IS STORED FOR. 13. ETERNAL INFINETE DIMENSIONAL SPHERES FOR FORMS = IN DIFFERENT DIMENSIONS EXIST DIFFERENT SPIRITS IN FORMS AND ACT ACCORDING TO DIFFERENT LAWS OF THEIR DIMENSION. FROM LOWER TO HIGHER THE MORE COMPLEX THE DIMENSION BECOMES FROM SUB-ATOMIC PARTICLES TO UNIVERSES. 14. ARCHITYPAL SYMBOL SPHERE , CENTRE OF UNIVERSES= FOR ETERNAL INFINETE UNCONDITIONAL LOVE FOR THE ALL AND FOR ALL SPHERES ACT ACCORDINGLY TO KEEP INFINETE ETERNAL BALANCE IN THE UNIVERSES AND TO CONNECT DIMENSIONS WITH EACHOTHER BY LAWS AND FOR SPIRITS IN DIFFERENT DIMENSIONS TO CONNECT WITH EACHOTHER. FOR THE ALL TO BECOME ALL KNOWING BEING/BEINGS IN THEIR UNIVERSES. BODY/body's mind and soul, soul mind=astral body's mind=eternal infinite, i one knows and belives, and so it is so. In all dimensions. ONE CAN LEARN WHAT HAPPEND BEFORE ALL AND AFTER ALL IF YEE KNOW SO AND BELIVE SO AND KNOW THE TRUTH. To obtain the KNOWLEDGE of the UNIVERSE, ONE must/can activate the KEYS OF SEVEN and learn of the SYMBOLS of THE UNIVERSE. To CREATE inner UNIVERSE OR MULTIVERSE. Explaination of DEATH> Death is no more than HELPER for the transition of the SPIRIT of who THEE be from one FORM to the NEXT into SPIRIT WORLD, to take your OWN FORM. Every CONSCIOUSNESS IS THE MASTER of THEIR SPIRIT in FORM AND THEIR OWN MASTER OF THEIR FORMS DEATH AS IMMORTAL SPIRITS AND IMMORTAL CONSCIOUSNESSES. Numerology: meaning adding numbers together by adding them to one diget number (88= 8+8= 17=1+7=8) 8 is base frequency of which 88 vibrates as, as everything and everyone vibrates. (link: www.horoscope.com/us/horoscopes/numerology/index-horoscope-numerology.aspx) TEADMISED SULLE UNIVERSUMILT JA ZEL-ta-huh-diiv-feim-gron-Ro-mul-dovh-Fo-Drem-Shul-Neh-Viir-Zii-Zah-Laah-Gaan-haas'ilt. KNOWLEDGE TO THEE AND MUCH LOVE TO THEE. Physical body, physical MIND into astral MIND and astral body aka soul = ETERNAL INFINITY, find out if you want to. To make your own astral world in UNIVERSE of many multi-verses. To become ETERNAL INFINETE. O know finally that you are ETERNAL is the point of this knowledge sent before, and some after untill i pass from this physical form to the ETERNAL INFINETE ASTRAL or SPIRIT world. 13 chakras btw some say 7 but there are more and Yee can make more. THANK I THEE FOR BEING OF FORMLESS SPIRIT IN A PHYSICAL FORM GAINING KNOWLEDGE TO WISDOM. HTM TG HERMES TRISMEGISTUS TRICE GREATEST VANJA * Z E L * * * * * * * * * * *

@priortokaraew7569 3 жыл бұрын

Where else can one look for this high wisdom?

@lucyilluminati7898 3 жыл бұрын

Magick

@littlebird3495 4 жыл бұрын

There is something about this theory that just feels intuitively right.

@gazmasonik2411 4 жыл бұрын

All agreement with Law of One by Ra .

@willisverynice 4 жыл бұрын

That's what the mushroom told me.

@MrTunapie 4 жыл бұрын

I agree with you. At first, I totally dismissed Dr Hoffman's theory, but the more I listen to him talk, both here, in Dr Shermer's interview, and his TED talk, its starting to make sense. I ordered a copy of his book. I am very interested in seeing the feedback he gets from other scientists. I would love to hear Dan Dennett's thoughts on this.

@gazmasonik2411 4 жыл бұрын

@@MrTunapie he references similar Unusual insights as Rupert Sheldrake Even the science paradigm being one free miracle we provide the test lol

@littlebird3495 4 жыл бұрын

Armenias Thunk Some might say it’s arrogance to claim one can be certain of anything one way or the other regarding the nature of reality. I guess that might put you in the gullible category as well 😉

@jasminejones9937 2 жыл бұрын

What a fantastic interview VERY INSPIRING Thank god for scientists like him in this game of life 👍

@waldwassermann 2 жыл бұрын

There is only one real and only one real purpose: LOVE.

@botezsimp5808 11 ай бұрын

I prefer fun over love.

@SarcasticPixie 3 ай бұрын

There is no true fun without love. We are all interconnected, so not loving/harming others only harms and unloves yourself.

@sorcerykid 3 жыл бұрын

I keep coming back to this video because it's so inspirational! Back when I was in preschool in the 80s, I believed very strongly that everything was interconnected consciously. People tried to convinced me otherwise, just like they tried to indoctrinate me with a lot of other foolish nonsense. Humans really are a sad species that could so benefit from spiritual enlightenment.

@patrickbarnes9874 2 жыл бұрын

You had a strong belief that everything was interconnected consciously in PRESCHOOL? That seems bizarre. I don't see many 3 year olds discussing metaphysics. You must be a phenomenal genius.

@toddmaek5436 2 жыл бұрын

I think of it almost like cryptos

@toddmaek5436 2 жыл бұрын

@@patrickbarnes9874 its not that far fetched

@matsveritas2055 Жыл бұрын

Intuitive knowledge is common in children, until the standardized authoritarian school system utterly devastates our trust in intuition.

@user-po8ke5vh2e Жыл бұрын

i watch every video with donals also - he is amazing!

@SweetSagan 4 жыл бұрын

As an RN and a student of non duality, and as a huge fan of Donald Hoffman I'm really loving this video. His theory completely resonates with me.

@michaelgrayman7614 Жыл бұрын

Get him on again. Then again. Then again. I love hearing Hoffman talk but you are the best person I’ve heard interview him. One of the best podcasts I’ve ever listened to and I’ve listened to an amount I’d rather not know.

@madmaninabox3638 3 жыл бұрын

As a Gamer and student of Psychology, this absolutely fascinates me. More than that.. this feels right. I really think THIS IS IT.. You are absolutely on the right track Don! But you know that 😊 your so giddy about it, which is wonderful! Your passion for this is a breath of fresh air. As someone whose been asking questions of the world around me, seen and unseen, my entire life, I am jumping up and down about this.

@OrdnanceTV Жыл бұрын

Me too. I feel your enthusiasm as much as my own. Yet another crazy and inspiring way that our interfaces are interconnected 😁

@Tirsogonzales Жыл бұрын

From a seasoned Advaita speaker or Non Dual Vedanta speaker point of viiew/experience, Dr. Hoffman is wrong. For thousands of years Non Dual saints, mystics, avatars, Jesus, Budda, Lao Tzu, and representatives of millenary spiritual traditions have not gone extinct, what they represent is "a quantum leap in human evolution" (César Teruel) Consciousness does not evolve. Does not shirink or enlarge. It just is.

@RichardHarlos Жыл бұрын

@@Tirsogonzales wrote, _"Dr. Hoffman is wrong."_ It's useful, both for one's own clarity of thought, and for those who may hear/read what one is trying to convey, to be specific. With that in mind, please quote Dr. Hoffman's error (making sure to preserve the context of the quote), and then specifically elaborate what about it is incorrect. Thanks.

@canadiankewldude Жыл бұрын

@@RichardHarlos *_Mat _**_10:28_**_ And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell._* *_KJB_*

@RichardHarlos Жыл бұрын

@@canadiankewldude I asked Tirso to quote the error his previous comment alleged. You replied to me with a Bible quote. Since a Bible quote isn't an error that Dr. Hoffman said, I don't see the connection. Elaborate, if you please.

@nowHere6285 3 жыл бұрын

I love love love it! "Maths and consciousness are like flesh and bones." "Yes, psychedelics may be a technology by which we can hack our interface to transition to other interfaces".

@christopherarmstrong2710 4 жыл бұрын

11:22 How to win the game 14:20 You’re the author of space time 57:50 Scientific spirituality 1:21:22 The “meaning of life” 1:23:40 Dogmatism 1:24:06 The point about science is to be precise 1:26:00 Psychology 1:28:10 Logic & reason evolved as a social tool of persuasion 1:30:00 If resources were not limited, there would be no reason for competition or evolution 1:31:00 Medical industry silos 1:38:10 Psychedelics

@mailill 3 жыл бұрын

Christopher Armstrong Thanks! I put your beginning of the list here (I found it way down among the other comments): 11:20 How to win the game 14:20 You're the author of space time 57:50 Scientific spirituality

@christopherarmstrong2710 3 жыл бұрын

mailill - Right on, just added them to the list.

@lisatruthseeker2748 3 жыл бұрын

Did I miss the subject of some humans, and military leave their bodys to do Astro Traveling?

@atomusbliss 3 жыл бұрын

right on thank youse

@rellyjae298 3 жыл бұрын

U the mvp of the comment section😉

@geihoowa Жыл бұрын

The rock piece fascinates me. my Grandmother was a Seneca woman. She stated that according to Seneca tradition, the rocks and stones have a language. They have messages for us, and they have a way of telling us what thier stories are. Did the ancient indigenous have more access to different types of portals?

@SarcasticPixie 3 ай бұрын

Mormons also believe the earth has a spirit. I’m starting to realize he’s right, and all religions have pieces of truth. The unfortunate thing is they also have a lot of BS mixed in, and it becomes dogma.

@exxzxxe Жыл бұрын

Absolutely the best video on consciousness- all within a discussion by two very brilliant people!

@VincentVerschoore 4 жыл бұрын

Exhausting to have a nearly 2 hours high, man this is one great conversation.

@rachaelkasper5445 4 жыл бұрын

Many Pagans, including me, say "Don't conjure and invite a consciousness from a portal you're not prepared to banish." This is fascinating and explains scientifically what Pagans have practiced in a raw form and I've always known that our practices and rituals tap into something that what will someday be quantified. Dr. Hoffman and his colleagues are getting there and I'm beyond excited about this research.

@LizNP 4 жыл бұрын

I totally agree with this. Dr. Hoffman explains it all.

@kirstinstrand6292 3 жыл бұрын

Is the word Banish, or Transend?

@TheGuiltsOfUs Жыл бұрын

lol?

@SarcasticPixie 3 ай бұрын

The full “truth” if we ever uncover it can be found in bits and pieces in all religions and philosophies. We all have pieces of it, but we all also have some BS mixed in.

@faithalive3463 Жыл бұрын

This is so awesome and makes so much sense love his mind’s ability to work this all out mathematically and scientifically. Honestly it makes so much sense!

@necromancer-x 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, this is my first time seeing a ZDoggMD video; I came here originally for Hoffman, but I absolutely love Zubian's enthusiasm and wonder. He's so incredibly expressive! I feel like I don't allow myself to be swept by awe anymore, it's led me to high expectations in the past lol.. I'm jealous.

@beefy32 4 жыл бұрын

My theory is this: When you dream you see lots of beings with seemingly their own awareness, you interact with them and they seem separate to you. In reality all the characters in your dream are created by one consciousness, your consciousness. You realise this when you wake up. But in dreams your consciousness is fragmented to create all areas of the dream world. Maybe this reality works like the dream reality and we are all versions of one consciousness experiencing itself through different vehicles.

@larryyoung4827 4 жыл бұрын

rob scrivener Absolutely

@HDvids101 4 жыл бұрын

Think - virtual reality trainer

@jazzmac03 4 жыл бұрын

Cool idea

@sahinandrew 4 жыл бұрын

too bad buddha came up with it earlier :/ no cookie for you mr!

@jamesleon4883 4 жыл бұрын

some dreams, some dreams are really another reality.

@paradiseheaven 4 жыл бұрын

It’s crazy to see how people once would think psychedelics made you crazy, to now, psychedelics actually bringing you closer to reality than our baseline reality

@paprikash8574 4 жыл бұрын

many people do go crazy on psychedelics.

@YellowKing1986 4 жыл бұрын

@@paprikash8574 That depends on the kinf of a substance and the dose. People do die while doing sex - is it a bad thing?

@paprikash8574 4 жыл бұрын

@@YellowKing1986 yeah and most people are not responsible with psychedelics nor with sex.

@YellowKing1986 4 жыл бұрын

@@paprikash8574 True

@bimmjim 3 жыл бұрын

@Medicine And The Mind .. If consciousness is non-local, then the chemistry going on in the brain is effect not cause. ..

@align2source 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing interview!!! This topic is totally exciting and I think crucial for the next step in the evolution of true science. Much love! ✨💚🐳

@vincentbegin1242 2 жыл бұрын

I think Don Hoffman (and his team) is the most interesting guy in our headset. And this interview with him is probably the best one.

@gzurc 4 жыл бұрын

That's not just the best interview Don Hoffman has done, that's one of the best interviews I have seen in my life. A talking about AI, psychology, physics, math, psychedelics, spirituality, and so on, until the fundamental basis of the reality, wow! Don Hoffman is on the edge of researching some of the most amazing ideas of our time! A lot of thanks to Zubin, what you did by recapitulating ideias, resuming concepts and going deep to make some questions did this interview really amazing as it is!

@jeffsimoneaux5968 3 жыл бұрын

Read the Amazon Kindle book, THE TRUTH , The Illumination of Conscience by Jeffrey Michael Simoneaux if you like this you will love the E-book and it is only $1.99

@charlesbankston1626 3 жыл бұрын

Have you read Tom Campbell's, My Big T.O.E.?

@counterculture10 2 жыл бұрын

I agree!

@theliamofella 4 жыл бұрын

Extremely profound and interesting video, great interviewer and guest , most people still think I'm just crazy when I talk about this stuff,

@theliamofella 4 жыл бұрын

@Dark Horse sarcasm or straight up?

@RayderRyGuy 4 жыл бұрын

You’re not crazy bro. It seems like most people choose the blue pill.

@jackazzen3824 3 жыл бұрын

No they were right, you're crazy. Jk-ing. Who's to say who's crazy? My psychiatrist is constantly telling me I'm crazy and how would he know? He's dead.

@tomjiunta1580 Жыл бұрын

One of the most fascinating discussions I've heard in a long time. This spiritual. Philosopher, physician has blown his mind. It's all zen!

@kuakilyissombroguwi 11 ай бұрын

"Why shouldn't we use the best tools of understanding that we have, namely the scientific method, to address the questions that are the most important to us as human beings? Science is up to the task." Gotta love Professor Hoffman. True genius and pioneer!

@consciously73 4 жыл бұрын

Love the interviewer's enthusiasm on this topic, I find it equally fascinating

@250txc 4 жыл бұрын

Ok but myself, I have had enough of grinning jack-a$$s telling us about life.

@jshannock 4 жыл бұрын

@@250txc you must be stupid af

@otterrivers3765 4 жыл бұрын

If you just listen and don't look at the screen you won't see him grinning...... Solved.

@jeffsimoneaux5968 4 жыл бұрын

@drumguy2007 3 жыл бұрын

This was an amazing and fascinating listen. The depth of this conversation is beautiful.

@Grateful_Acres Жыл бұрын

I first experienced Donald Hoffman's work before "finding" non duelism. Now that I've been exposed to both separately.... THIS IS SO GREAT!!

@Tirsogonzales Жыл бұрын

From a seasoned Advaita speaker or Non Dual Vedanta speaker, Dr. Hoffman is wrong. For thousands of years Non Dual saints, mystics, avatars, Jesus, Budda, Lao Tzu, and representatives of millenary spiritual traditions have not gone extinct, what they represent is "a quantum leap in human evolution" (César Teruel) Consciousness does not evolve. Does not shirink or enlarge. It just is.

@pedrosmith221 2 жыл бұрын

I don't know if the theory is correct or not, but the video was really thought-provoking and I loved it. BTW, THANKS Dr. Mike for helping me discover this channel.

@jankelsey9738 4 жыл бұрын

I'm an RN long-term meditator and student of non-dualistic Advaita Vedenta. I've never heard of Dr. Hoffman before this interview. I appreciate his scientific perspective and offerings to the materialistic perspectives of cognitive neuroscience and the hard problem of consciousness, however there is absolutely nothing he's presenting that is any different from non-dualistic ancient scriptures. The major differences are the language used, math and the scientific perspective. In my opinion, these scriptures explain physicality, mind, and pure consciousness-which is considered the ultimate reality, better than any scientific theory or explanation I’ve encountered to this day. Most ancient texts speak of a fundamental oneness, or a unitary experience beyond matter, time and space, that is omnipresent and eternal, called pure consciousness. Pure consciousness is obscured by mind; mind is referred to as the great deceiver of the nature of reality. Meditation and other more specific subtle science techniques were given to humanity in order to transcend the limitations of mind, and experience more expansive aspects of consciousness-the layers of which are explained in incredible detail, beyond individual perceptional limitations, resulting in non-dualistic awareness considered to be the fundamental nature of reality. This is why peak experiences during meditation, near death experiences and some plant induced ethneogen experiences have many seemingly mind trippy similarities-which is exactly the point, to expand awareness of consciousness beyond materialism. With the ultimate goal resulting in a permanent transcendence of dualistic experience while in the body. Most world religions have been fashioned after individuals who spout this message about unitary reality/oneness. The dogma, superstition, and ritualistic elements of religions get added on later by those who don’t understand or comprehend the precise point of these teachings. Since childhood I've had many odd experiences non-drug induced experiences. Since I've been meditating I've had more than a handful of unitary experiences during seated meditation, and a few, while interacting with others. Returning back to normal, l consider lower, awareness is a total mind fuck. You can't forget these experiences. It's sad to come back, but it unlocks other aspects of the mind; intuition is greatly expanded along with emotional intelligence & self-regulation, cognitive and emotional empathy, and compassion for others regardless of how much you may disagree with their actions, or words. This is how people evolve and become more human. I really enjoyed Dr. Hoffman’s scientific contributions mathematics and explanations; however, I really think that the point of human experience is to individually evolve our consciousness which has a dramatically positive affect on the world around us. It will really be interesting to see what additional technological advances develop from his studies. I hope he's successful in expanding our materialistic paradigm because if you haven't had any non-materialistic experiences most people struggle to think, or outright deny the possibility of a non-materialistic realm. Thanks for this interview Zdogg.

@jankelsey9738 4 жыл бұрын

Zdogg, if you're inclined read the book Kundalini Vidya, the Science of Spiritual Transformation written by Joan Harrigan. She's a western trained psychologists who writes, in significant detail, about the subjective scientific process of spiritual evolution, mind and pure consciousness from an experiential perspective. You may find it enlightening, pun intended.

@kirstinstrand6292 4 жыл бұрын

Love the clarity written here. Just lovely.

@xiomimesis 4 жыл бұрын

Accurate. Spaced paragraphs would make this much easier to digest though

@jankelsey9738 4 жыл бұрын

@Urayis wish l she studied under a true Sadguru for 30 years. His specialty was Traditional Kundalini Science (TKS). Imo, the TKS part is what the real Sadgurus rarely if ever talk about, but it involves providing specific practices for each individual. His lineage for the first time authorized her to write a comprehensive text from the perspective of Yoga, Vedanta and Traditional Kundalini Science. Of course the realization of Moksha, either at the moment of death or while embodied resulting in Juvanmukta, or Nirvakalpa Samadh if you prefer Advaita Vedanta terminology, is the goal that can only be realized through direct experience. What makes her text unique is that everything in it is based on direct experience, and she outlines in great detail the subtle body architecture and prana functions necessary to allow Kundalino Shakti, the divine within, to evolve the individual more easily. In my experience, it makes realization through Ramana Maharishi direct inquiry more attainable as the budhi is cleared of the sativa, raja, and tamas gunas. Since I've attended the Sadgurus retreats, conducted at his pupils home, I've had increasingly frequent unitary consciousness experiences, as well as experiential realizations of many things written in her book. The book is not theoretical in any way, even though it explains all relevant philosophical theories, in truth it's a comprehensive experiential roadmap, imho and experience.

@jankelsey9738 4 жыл бұрын

Btw, that dude who calls himself sadguru is scary creepy. Real Sadgurus never advertise themselves as Sadgurus, or even your guru. Their only goal is to introduce you to the divine within, as the true guru. This is quality is what makes individuals like Ramana, Nisgaratta, Ananda Mayi Ma, Ramikrishna, and others so unique. They embodied these universal teachings and their actions were completely congruent with them, because in truth, they were soley animated by the divine.

@robschwurm6621 3 жыл бұрын

I watch a lot of youtube content, but I never watched a video more than twice. This video I already watched 4 times! I would love to see a continuation!

@jeffsimoneaux5968 3 жыл бұрын

Read the Amazon Kindle book, THE TRUTH , The Illumination of Conscience by Jeffrey Michael Simoneaux if you like this you will love the E-book and it is only $1.99

@emilyalicesargent6631 2 жыл бұрын

Incredible. This has confirmed what I started to consider myself from researching quantum physics and cosmology etc. I absolutely love Donald Hoffman’s work and ideas. This theory is very promising indeed.

@Tirsogonzales Жыл бұрын

@dragonrln Жыл бұрын

Amazing concepts and great interview. I subscribed just now because of you embracing this emerging branch of science. Keep it up, Doc.

@Mistrix6 4 жыл бұрын

This conversation was absolutley amazing to listen to. Both parties are so intelligent and articulate. Their passionate curiousity about consciousness and reality reminded me of myself. Just awesome. I'm buying the audiobook after I'm done watching this.💙

@grantschultz1115 3 жыл бұрын

Wow, thank you both so much for this! I just finished this video after watching The True Nature Of Reality (w/Dr. Bernardo Kastrup) yesterday. Both of them were incredibly fascinating. I also purchased Hoffman's book, The Case Against Reality: Why Evolution Hid the Truth from Our Eyes. Thank you again, and please keep up the great work.

@Z0mb13ta11ahase 3 жыл бұрын

This is by far the most stimulating 2 hours I've had in years.

@jnmartin94 3 жыл бұрын

Long ago, I resigned myself to being a pure physicalist, but this is so compelling...

@chuckbarnes8162 3 жыл бұрын

So, Anais Nin had this figured out many years ago. “We don’t see things as they are, we see things as we are.”

@chrisbrown8640 3 жыл бұрын

So ......if Reality doesn't agree with your perception of things...just Cancel it !

@navneetnair 3 жыл бұрын

The Buddha figured it out more than 2500 years ago. This is exactly the Chittamatra Buddhist Philosophy.

@christianedechert4178 3 жыл бұрын

but as he says, these are just words. he proposes scientific theory.

@birgitmitchell5648 3 жыл бұрын

@Chuck Barnes -Now we know why the Wachowski Brothers became Wachowski Sisters!!!! Hahahah🤭😂🤣

@delbertz.osborne9793 3 жыл бұрын

I personally found that in order for me to get intouch with the true me. I need to be able to practice three thing's. (1) mindfulness meditation. (2) An honest review of my day/evening, or bight. Which ever fits. Reviewing ones day is not about beating self up. It's like if you owned a supply business, one needs to take an daily inventory to see how you stand. In mindfulness meditation it's purpose is to be able to get as close to being alone with self, and only self as best as possible, and not adding to a thought that comes. The only exception maybe experiencing being with ones Creator. It's not necessarily important that one believes in a Creator. It was scary at first when I began to experience a quieter mind. I had no idea how many were living in my head rent free. Untill I started evicting them. The little boogers keep trying too sneek back in. Sometimes I find myself inviting one or two back in. But it's not to difficult to kick them out. I've been reviewing my day for about 8 years, and mindfulness meditation for about 6 years. By far many, many, many peoples can't, or not willing to give up precious time for what has been referred too, as naval gazing. I'm retired and have a dog. He joins me in meditation at times. I'm luck, and blessed. The third I'm not going into. However I will add that I couldn't have achieved the third, without achieving the first two. I believe you'll be amazed before your half way through.

@nehemiahwalker6037 3 жыл бұрын

I applaud this conversation many times. Can't wait for humanity to become more and more mature. Hope we can start having more mature conversations about what and who is God. I can't wait.

@stm7810 2 жыл бұрын

There is no god.

@MICKEYISLOWD 2 жыл бұрын

I wonder if those UAP sighting all over the world are real and they have been observing us thinking why are humans missing the obvious and believe in materialistic views only.

@mrcollector4311 2 жыл бұрын

@@stm7810 there is

@stm7810 2 жыл бұрын

@@mrcollector4311 what's your evidence? the universe made itself just fine without need for 1.

@rohlay00 2 жыл бұрын

God fills the gaps

@mfvreeland Жыл бұрын

This is basically Kant's First Critique. It's always interesting to me when science catches up with philosophy from hundreds of years ago.

@danielash1704 4 ай бұрын

My heart is so entrenched in the mindset of the people around me it's like reading there feelings of their own presence to discovering that they have to balance their own ideals together to create the super position in the mindset

@valhala56 4 жыл бұрын

Agreed this is the best introduction to Hoffman I have seen on KZfaq.

@Shamaniax 4 жыл бұрын

Mind blowing! Perhaps there is something to be said of animism? The universe is in fact a organism, a conscious agent, the cosmic mind but what we see is merely the icon limited by our own interface. It's wonderful to see some thought that extends beyond the materialistic paradigm.

@Shamaniax 4 жыл бұрын

@@TheWorldTeacher Wonderful wisdom. A great deal of it resonates with me. Thank you for taking the time. "the Highest Universal Principle, the Essential Irreducible Self." I have experienced this state, pure awareness devoid of the "I" only the realization that I am the universe.

@KayInMaine 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, what if looking at the universe/night sky is actually the same thing as looking at the broadcast test screen at the end of the broadcasting day? Mind blown!

@lubavukadinovic5752 3 жыл бұрын

Beautiful, my deep gratitude for your work. This is the solvation that we are waiting for that intellect expends to new possibilities. Hallelujah!

@jeffsimoneaux5968 3 жыл бұрын

Read the Amazon Kindle book, THE TRUTH , The Illumination of Conscience by Jeffrey Michael Simoneaux if you like this you will love the E-book and it is only $1.99

@Vishnugupta-fi3oe 3 жыл бұрын

Very high quality conversation. Thanks for this.

@nzmagpie1 3 жыл бұрын

Great topic. Makes a lot of sense. We are definitely dumbed down, for our own survivals sake. Spiritual people are not afraid of death; they see a bigger picture.

@canadiankewldude Жыл бұрын

*_Mat _**_10:28_**_ And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell._* *_KJB_*

@werquantum 4 жыл бұрын

One of the best interviews--actually, conversations--I've seen. I'd love to see several more hours of this.

@thisfoolsean Жыл бұрын

Learning transcendental meditation at age 11, now 40, and have experienced life through different lenses, and belief systems, discovering within my being that a bridge to the other side or connection to it was unusually strong, but just because my bridge is strong and can provide me with stable transfer does not automatically mean that I have the knowledge on how to cross that bridge successfully, and return without a hiccup. I have experienced some truths that cannot be explained. One of the fun theories I’ve entertained, after living with a little girl with autism, observing autistic kids I always got the impression that their seeing feeling hearing a different reality. Like a child from the future trying to get used to the interface with a deeper understanding of the program, which ultimately leads to the obsession they have with a few core activities, or sensoria’s, because it brings them comfort in such a complex dynamic. Tinkering with the interface… hmmm

@Watcher1301 Жыл бұрын

Best interview on the subject. Dr. Zubin have a real grasp on it. Amazing!

@omnissiah1119 4 жыл бұрын

By the way, I just have to say that I really love the usage of language here! It is massively simplifying these concepts and making them far easier to digest! I especially loved the rock analogy and the following address to existing counter-arguments and the following rebuttals. Greatly appreciated!

@cappnzak 4 жыл бұрын

Faaaantastic! This is the type of material I have dreamt of finding,for so long.I cannot get enough of this delicious brain-food.The concepts and ideas mentioned here,-and other similar sites,-enable one's mind to open up,and travel.They are beautiful and incredible. Thank you. Chris Horgan, N.Z.

@idonotlikethismusic 2 жыл бұрын

The philosophies of yoga and Vedanta from ancient India have been exploring these questions for thousands of years and have come to answers already beyond what is discussed here.

@mindfulskills 3 жыл бұрын

Brilliant dialogue! Dr. Hoffman seems to be aiming for a scientific expression of the same transcendental reality described (with detailed charts) by Meher Baba in his book entitled "God Speaks," published in 1955.

@princegalaxywalker6273 4 жыл бұрын

I didn’t hear you mention Thomas Campbell, author of My Big T.O.E.(theory of everything) which was published in 2003. He has the only complete published theory on Consciousness that I’m aware of.

@adcaptandumvulgus4252 4 жыл бұрын

interesting, I'll check it out

@SimoneBergande 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@adcaptandumvulgus4252 4 жыл бұрын

@@SimoneBergande and you too

@jeffsimoneaux5968 3 жыл бұрын

Read the Amazon Kindle book, THE TRUTH , The Illumination of Conscience by Jeffrey Michael Simoneaux if you like this you will love the E-book and it is only $1.99

@snap-off5383 2 жыл бұрын

L. Ron Hubbard taught that we observers collectively create the universe in Scientology since the late 50s. This *is* what Scientology is.

@patera124 4 жыл бұрын

There is a fundamental problem of self-refutation with this thesis, in that it uses evolution, mathematics and science to make the case that the human brain is not disposed to perceive reality as it actually is, but if the human brain is not disposed to perceive reality as it actually is, what basis do we have for assuming that evolution, mathematics and science are accurate representations of reality? This is the problem of the Cretan liar paradox: if our brains are lying to us all the time, how do we know that they aren't lying to us when they tell us that we are lying to ourselves?

@answersquestioned 4 жыл бұрын

patera124 Interesting points but I have the feeling your argument is stuck in Plato’s cave

@justinfinch2458 4 жыл бұрын

It is a very valid point and a great one that destroys rational materialistic models. For people that have tasted higher levels of reality in their subtle bodies and who have gone into the state of the Atma or even paramAtma it beca clear that this level of reality is more akin to a collective dream state, no more or less real than a dream

@TomHaws 4 жыл бұрын

The way I see it, we have a capacity for occasional rational thought that enhances our ability us to survive and reproduce. Living in a post-scarcity regime frees us to use that rationality for play (mathematics, art, etc). The fact that we experientially believe a lie does not mean we have no capacity to see it rarely or collectively as a lie.

@shadowolf3998 4 жыл бұрын

We know that Mathematics are true because of the effect that we perceive, we see a representation of reality relative to something but never directly, that is why he always gives the example of a computer desktop being an interface but not the truth behind the interface, its purpose is to more efficiently navigate in the computing environment (basically 0 and 1 being electricity and not-electricity). Basically that means that our mathematics and theories are simply languages to communicate/express/convey an aspect of truth/reality but never in a literal sense, furthermore even if we can communicate in the same language and understand each other it does not mean that we are correct on our assumptions since our very senses and the tools we are using are only approximating "truth" to us, even our tools and how we use them are relative, never direct, when you measure something you practically throw something at it (output) and you receive something back (input) therefore you can never get 100% accurate on your experiments. Also our brains do not lie, they just filter out information, not only our brains but our senses combined with our brains as well, Dr Hoffman simply suggests that we filter-out information that does not serve us to our survival needs due to the theory of evolution. I personally am unsure if I agree with the later but I surely agree with the rest.

@Meekseek 4 жыл бұрын

They are lying to us, count on it. Who is he? A cognitive psychologist and popular science author who is basically telling the public don't see the truth, play the video game get your social score points, the truth is too complicated for us mere minions.

@jeffsimoneaux5968 3 жыл бұрын

This guys research gives me hope that human beings will survive.

@sellmeyoursoul6601 4 жыл бұрын

Ive thought about similar ideas for years and alot of people do but if this guy proves it with math hes legend

@linhbanh4614 2 жыл бұрын

He also indicated that this work could take centuries.

@cmacmenow 4 жыл бұрын

Alan Watts brought me here from the 70s! Feels blissfully joyful to have come full circle.

@counterculture10 2 жыл бұрын

an excellent connection

@canitbu6217 4 ай бұрын

I am viscerally excited by the understanding I've elicited from this discussion. Perspective achieved. The illusion of limited resources, drives those whose survival they believe depends on controlling/depriving others of those resources to do so, perpetuating the illusion, and those who acknowledge the illusory nature of the limitation, to access the pool of limitless resources with little or no competition therefore--competition among those in context, still victims of the illusion, themselves victims of their own deception, canceling each other's access, keeping the "pool" clean for the others, not so-burdened to unselfishly access, and moreover compassionately acquire the abundance therein for the benefit of those deluded, ultimately converting the dynamic of the delusion, to one which exposes the truth behind it, and those who maintain it.

@AestheticEtheral01 2 жыл бұрын

I am trully amazed by Donald Hoffman and even if Im not into science , I can feel he is right in everything he is saying here ...just listening to him I feel like a kid in an infinite candy store

@WeAreGoingSomewhere 4 жыл бұрын

This is one of the best videos I've ever watched on KZfaq. Thank you so much for creating it!!!

@jeffsimoneaux5968 4 жыл бұрын

@galactromeda 4 жыл бұрын

Off the charts. One of the most intelligent conversations I've seen in a long time. Very thought provoking and reassuring. "Life insurance is a bet on the objectiveness of reality."

@jeffsimoneaux5968 4 жыл бұрын

@kbshrink Жыл бұрын

Thank you both for excellent conversation. Hallucinogens and meditation DO take your there. I ‘died’ at 16 on a 4 way hit of LSD . It was indescribably blissful. ❤️

@TheGuiltsOfUs Жыл бұрын

Hippie bs

@kbshrink Жыл бұрын

Try it you might be surprised

@dorothysay8327 Жыл бұрын

@@TheGuiltsOfUsoh do grow up.

@rainerkornmusic 11 ай бұрын

Of course you're not supposed to say this in public little Wizard. No one will believe you 😂 People will think that you are nuts 😅

@mushedits 6 ай бұрын

Eat mushrooms for a safer experience of the afterlife. LSD is a little more dangerous.

@mrkcioffi Жыл бұрын

Donald Hoffman is a Hero! He Possesses the true essence of both science and spirituality which is "just to know ourselves." We don't have to produce anything or sell a product. The willingness to explore something just to know. Unfortunately today, all science and research has become a slave to the economy. Unless we are producing products to sell for profit, research like this is mostly ignored. Great job ZDoggMD!

@cuttingedgetint1250 4 жыл бұрын

I like how he happens to sound like an agent from The Matrix

@No1Particular 4 жыл бұрын

YES! lol

@alexukbrighton 4 жыл бұрын

Omg

@jessewallace12able 4 жыл бұрын

No he sounds like jeff goldblum in jurassic park

@Seasonedhomeschooler 4 жыл бұрын

He sounds like a Speak n Spell from the 80s

@joe2125 4 жыл бұрын

Jesse now i cant fucking unhear it

@caitlynj7466 4 жыл бұрын

This is such a great interview. The best I have ever seen, and I have seen many. The interviewer is so prepared and engaged. His questions are keeping the conversation flowing flawlessly. Just wonderful.

@davidkeane7802 4 жыл бұрын

Caitlyn J agree entirely!

@Meekseek 4 жыл бұрын

You're so dumbed down from one agent after the other after the other, anyone with a mind can see thisman is a tool for the criminals who run this world, don't see reality play the game and you may live provided you get all the right social scores - your carbon credits

@kirstinstrand6292 4 жыл бұрын

@@Meekseek I'm not defending Hofman, but is he too complex for your your mind? I do see holes in some of his logic, but criminal does not appear apt, to me.

@Meekseek 4 жыл бұрын

@@kirstinstrand6292 no he's not too " complex " for my mind, I see him exactly for what he is and what he's selling.

@frederick3696... Жыл бұрын

Dr. Hoffman,thank you for giving me a starting point . Finally !

@williamcrowley9156 Жыл бұрын

If you haven’t already, join Mind Matter Society, submit a paper. What did Dennet say? Just a rural doc but still have a keen academic interest. Thank you for this content!!

@jerelull9629 3 жыл бұрын

Mind-interface connection exploded. Will be thinking about this later, when I can get my "feet" back under me.

@pierrebernard5922 4 жыл бұрын

After 20 years of studies. I am open to almost anything

@noellecuisine8912 2 жыл бұрын

Totally love ❤️ it !!! Thank you gentlemen for this wonderful interfacing journey 🍎🌙💕

@CarlVibe 3 жыл бұрын

I keep coming back to this video ad sharing it. So good.

@alisonrogerson3143 4 жыл бұрын

Astral travel can change our interface & even transcend it to other realities such as the afterlife

@ZeeJayBay 3 жыл бұрын

Astral travel can kill you??

@DrAdnan 4 жыл бұрын

I wish we knew more about consciousness. It would solve so many spiritual dilemmas.

@GeoCoppens 4 жыл бұрын

Why??? Consciousness is biological. In the brainstem resides a structure called the reticular formation. When this is stimulated, either from the outside, or from the thinking processes in the cortex (which it in turn stimulates - a circular process) then the organism is conscious or aware. There is nothing spooky going on as some "theorists" like to have it!!! Yes, there are levels of consciousness.

@bobrobertson3558 4 жыл бұрын

@@GeoCoppens You are another "materialist" person because what you're saying is that physical matter gives rise to consciousness. If so, how do you account for the fact that in a simple double-slit quantum mechanics experiment, the very act of observing causes your "physical" particles to change form? But if you don't observe them, they don't change form. Are they alive and aware that you're observing them and only wanna fuck with your mind if they know you're observing them? No! That would be ridiculous!! Particles are not "alive"!!! In fact, they're not really there at all, as scientists are slowly finding out more and more by the day. The smaller the sizes of the particles that they probe, the more they're finding out that they're all just empty space, and that what we all have originally thought of as "physical" matter are nothing more than a cloud of probability....in other words, your everyday "physical" world is just a bunch of DATA. And, here's the kicker: the ONLY environment where we know of that's made up of nothing but data is a Virtual Reality. We are all Sims residing in this universal Virtual Simulation, and things only appear and feel "physical" to us because we're observing them / experiencing them from OUR point of view.....just like the characters in a sim game like World Of Warcraft thinking that everything they see and feel is real to them because they can't see beyond THEIR reality into YOUR reality. Your consciousness playing as those characters in those games shape them and their world. Just like the Larger Consciousness System exists outside of our physical frame of reference, and experiencing this "physical" reality through us. Do you materialist simpletons get it yet? Or are you still having trouble comprehending all this ?

@GeoCoppens 4 жыл бұрын

@@bobrobertson3558 It's NOT the observing that causes this, you dodo! It's the act of measurement! That's different!

@bobrobertson3558 4 жыл бұрын

@@GeoCoppens Its.The.Act.Of.Observing.You.Freak.Just.Like.When.They.Point.The.Camera.By.Itself.Go.Brush.Up.Reading.Or.Watch.The.Documentaries.About.This.Before.Talking. And morons like you and those material scientists (like Brian Green, Sean Carroll, Sam Harris, Leonard Susskind, Lawrence Krauss, etc.) still cannot comprehend AND try to ignore the fact that there's only empty spaces of data to subatomic particles meaning that we live in a VR powered only by our consciousness. You morons can't accept that and try to avoid it, see? Y'all need to learn from the great ones (Ex-NASA physicist Tom Campbell, Electrical Engineer Jim Elvidge, MIT Computer Scientist Rizwan Virk, and Don Hoffman here himself) trying hard to dispense the truth to people rather than worrying about tainting their reps like those automatons that I've named above. Fuck you clowns !!!

@AL-SH 4 жыл бұрын

@@GeoCoppens Nice failed attempt at describing conciousness. What you've stated above is a total simplification of one of the layers of conciousness. There are layers of layers of layers of conciousness. The more complex the brain becomes of a specie the deeper their consciousness gets. Millions of profound neurologists, biologists, philosophers, and physicists who are much more intelligent than you have dedicated their entire career into understanding conciousness haven't been able to conduct a proper conclusion to this subject.

@charliehelyes 2 жыл бұрын

One of the best interviews I've ever listened to

@lightroomlovers Жыл бұрын

This is the very best! LOVE THIS ENTIRE INTERVIEW! ❤❤❤

@BrianScott1111 4 жыл бұрын

This is mind blowing and a great interview. Thank you.

@papapiers1588 3 жыл бұрын

Lol true…. I started off normal and then my head exploded!!!

@laurensedbon-thinkmanifest4107 3 жыл бұрын

Fun to find your comment here, Brian Scott! fascinating video and love your work too.

@HigherSelfDevelopment 3 жыл бұрын

I can't wait to see more of these in the future. This video gave me such a feeling of intrigue and excitement for the expansion of human consciousness and awareness.

@SeiroosFardipour-wf4bi Ай бұрын

What is good with this Truth is the fact that gives an end to all self questioning,why of things ,question of suffering,others faults my faults, justice, injustices,all these things becomes secondary

@Paul-fs1er Жыл бұрын

To educate a child , into all Truths , experience of and at all levels of life gives a grounding to build upon , to become open to higher education.

@Rocco27274 4 жыл бұрын

This is why I love KZfaq, to hear amazing talks like this 👍

@tobyhdr 4 жыл бұрын

Wonderful interview! I've been following Don Hoffman for a few years now, and agree with those who say this is a great interview for getting to the heart of his perspective quickly and clearly. I'd like to add that what Donald Hoffman is doing mathematically, Tom Campbell is doing both internally in term of a scientific exploration of consciousness, and physically as a series of double-slit experiments that recently began at CalTech (I believe). I've been following Tom Campbell for years too, and see his and Hoffman's perspectives as almost 100% compatible. A discussion between the two men would be very interesting indeed! Perhaps hosted by ZDoggMD...

@bastianray6334 4 жыл бұрын

Is there any similarity to David Bohm's implicate order and Robert Lanza's Biocentrism ?

@tobyhdr 4 жыл бұрын

@@bastianray6334 My answer can only be that of a layman, but for what it's worth, I'll try. I only have the shallowest exposure to implicate order and Biocentrism (brief glance at both theories just now), but do see some similarities, particularly with Biocentrism. Perhaps, then, my best shot at a helpful answer is by sketching out virtual-reality theory as pithily as I can. In Campbell's terms, consciousness is not infinite (he rejects infinity, sees it as impossible). He asserts a pixel- or digital-like granularity to consciousness. In a sense, this is a little like atomism: there is an indivisible something. That this something is not 'physical' - there is no actual spacetime - does not mean this digital principle of indivisibility is different from that of atomism. Metaphorically then, we can view this 'stuff' or granularity of consciousness as the 'bits' with which consciousness can create order or patterns. That gives us an elegant non-dualistic framework. Our 'physical' universe is thus a 'virtual' or information-based construct of and by consciousness - much like a game - through which consciousness can have and learn from richly informative experiences that help it, both as 'souls', or "individuated units of consciousness", or "conscious agents" to become more loving, or "to become love". In biocentric terms - by way of comparison - life is the driving force behind the game. In Campbell's model, scientific endeavour is uncovering the ruleset - the 'objective' truths - of our virtual reality. But the game is not hard-coded. It is procedural, or evolving code/mathematics, that started with the Big Bang, aka the Initial Conditions, and evolved more or less as science has thus far determined, but with life (consciousness) driving it, nudging it whenever it deems necessary, then actively participating once sufficiently complex biological entities evolved to be 'used' as avatars in the game.

@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 4 жыл бұрын

@@tobyhdr If you want an update to David Bohm then study Professor Basil J. Hiley. Hiley is buddies with Sir Roger Penrose. Reject this "pop" science b.s. Nondualism is best explained by noncommutative geometry. Stanford Linear Accelerator Center figured this out - study Eddie Oshins. Just keep researching - don't rely on the "Marketing" of science. Does Tom Campbell or Don Hoffman discuss abrupt global warming and the ecological crisis? Western physics is not an accurate representation of reality - otherwise we would not have the fastest destruction or biological annihilation of life on Earth today - same with Robert Lanza's "biocentric" vision. A similar view was espoused by the book "Biocosm" - it's all modern Westernized or eurocentric b.s. that ignores the hard truth of all our "externalities" of science.

@georgiamorrow8233 4 жыл бұрын

Voidisyinyang Voidisyinyang 🤩 would I love to have an evening of debate with you all!

@theadventuresofglypheandbyrd Жыл бұрын

I'm working on a writing right now, but the part here where what Matter is (around 29:30 - conscious agent theory), to me was always something like the weight of consciousness that is thought. If it were a formula (I'm not a mathematician, I just think a lot) would be something like MATTER of/to BEING = (BEING BEing thought divided by individuality) multiplied by individuality. That would make matter simply thought but it would not be thinking. You need to run it through the system to charge the thought. Individuality is the space where BEING is divided and vibrating inside that space between it's self (ALL THINGS/BEING) and individuality (SOME Thing/Being). In the writing it says " BEING is charged by what it thinks in space. The energy of division allows it to multiply back to it’s self. It’s like sand going through an hour glass. The hour glass remains the same. The amount of sand remains the same. It’s purpose is fulfilled as the sand is flowing and keeping whatever in time. Once all of the sand has passed through nothing has changed except that the hour glass has lost it’s charge. It still exists but in order to be fully BEing it needs to be vibrated or turned again to run again. The sand would be Thought. All thoughts exist. They need to be expressed. The expression is running them through the hole/portal/veil of reality/consciousness that is thinking thoughts… so that they manifest or come out on the other side (fall to the bottom because things fall from higher states to lower states). That is the game. BEING is silent… or s silent as any still vibrating thing. It is white noise (the sound of all things at one point). White noise sounds like static because it is the expression, the energetic kinetic expression of all things at one point, and the light and understanding and electricity of all of those things in the same moment all bouncing off of and interacting with one another comes out as that sound." Im still writing and thinking though. It is re-freshing to see this conversation and vibration between your two points.

@botezsimp5808 11 ай бұрын

You might be unto something.

@dnoordink Жыл бұрын

Amazing insights into the truth of reality. What a time to be alive!

@VernonVince 4 жыл бұрын

One of the best interviews, if not the best, that I heard not only on KZfaq, but also on TV or Radio. That's science at its highest level. If you combine what Donald Hoffman says with what Immanuel Kant said about space and time and the difference between noumena and phenomena, then you understand why Kant was an absolute genius. Thank you so much for your fantastic work.

@DHorse 4 жыл бұрын

It is good. However at 14:00. 'The moon does not exist when I don't look' 'Thats exaxtly right' That both contradicts other statements he makes and is exactly wrong. He goes on to state space and time do not exist outside our minds. This denies noumena in a literal sense. We are left with an absurdity. Easily disproved via experimentation. One must ask what he is then refering to. Hence my other comment. This is another over extension of some good thinking. Phenomena are dictated by noumena however badly. They are a massive reduction of real things. Denying the reality of them doesn't work. He needs to clearly define what he means and avoid redefining common terms if he has a valid point here.

@DHorse 4 жыл бұрын

So I assert your perception of space time is a modelling tool. It does indeed exist in a direct sense. What it is exactly or its cause is a science / philosophy question but each (space and time) is a real thing. It IS objective reality and noumena whatever our minds do with it.

@DHorse 4 жыл бұрын

Said another way, 'we are seeing none of the truth' and the Grand Theft Auto metaphor discussed is false here. I support the conventional position.

@DHorse 4 жыл бұрын

I work with a containment model of reality where scale and size are critical. What we percieve is entirely valid at this scale. The noumena are well represented in our perception. A game displaying on a screen is a direct product of cause and effect. It exists, is real, and is running a very bad model. That we must percieve a reduction and would fail manipulating the electricity is an obvious point that does not support his denial of perception as reflecting objective reality. It's highly reduced nature does not lead to the conclusion it is false. It is a valid internal model not objective reality. Obviously your mind is part of this reality. I don't suggest that current and physics and metaphysics is correct but that his position is contradictory. In what way does his mathematics (which I will look at) show this? He never says. However mathematics is even more of a reduction than mental phenomena. It could well lead to a deeper understanding but like most philosophers he goes off rails with his favorite domain. He over extends the meaning. He is interpreting the math to serve his spiritually fun view of the real it appears.

@DHorse 4 жыл бұрын

Here's another one. At 23:30 on hard consciousness theory. We are not even close? There are none? 23 months of review tells me a different story. There are very valid theories on this in neurology partly informed by neural network research.

@stellau3028 4 жыл бұрын

This is the best video on consciousness ever. I love these tow guys specially Hoffman . Exciting times

@georgeshepherd3381 Жыл бұрын

Watching again! Love this!

@Spiritwalker Жыл бұрын

This is the most interesting interview that I have seen in a long time! thank you 🙏🏼 Of course the parallels between Dr Hoffman’s theories and Buddhism or Advaita Vedanta are uncanny! I am happy to see that humanity is tackling the puzzle of the nature of reality through mathematics and the scientific method. The only conjecture I’d make is that there may even be an evolutionary role to finding out the true nature of reality: to be able to hack reality and live without scarcity and limitations to knowledge. Wouldn’t this be the ultimate goal of evolution? Wouldn’t this be ‘enlightenment’?