I wonder what the tutorial will be

Only God knows how much I wait for every video of Coffeehouse Crime..!!!Keep growing...!!

Killed with Coffee…sounds right up your ally!

Can you please do some for ph case plssss

Gonna pass on the coffee this time :( But still watch the video :D

Or at least - don’t drink or eat anything left unattended.

@@AVspectre Fr. If somebody orders drinks before I get there. I’m gonna order again, cause it’s better safe then sorry

@@AVspectre the thing is, this kind of case never happened in Indonesia. So people doesn't have that thought in the back of their mind to "protect" themself from a scenario like this you know.

@@AVspectre the thing is here we're used to friends ordering something for us before we arrived. Yeah we kinda take positive thinking too seriously. Really need to be more careful even with 'friends'.

You said it

But they probably would simply have thrown out the leftover drinks at Jessica's table, after they left, as cafes normally do - if it wasn't for Jessica accusing the staff of putting something in the coffee. That's what made them keep Mirna's coffee. After all, they were being accused of wrongdoing so they would want to clear their name. If Jessica hadn't said anything, the staff would never have thought to keep Mirna's coffee.

Similar case happened with milktea in the Philippines, but the owner who made the drink died because he tasted it. His son went to the shop before and after the incident to "put and clean" something. No one was jailed for the owner's death and a woman who is a customer.

@@helloworld2784 rat poison was mixed in that case. It was accident

The owner probably watches true crime documentaries too.

My dumbass thought the fatal ingredient was some kind of detergent (because of the Bed, Bath, & Beyond bags). Nope, just regular ol’ shopping bags with plain ol’ poison hidden in one of them.

mirna said the coffee tasted funny. Wouldn't that be the clue?

@@ChristelVinot Unless she was a coffee connoisseur, I don't think people will overthink her words then.

It's called PROJECTION!

@@Bazerald777 what? it's not called that lol

id say if it was lost, itd have been dumped accidentally by a staff member after she was taken to hospital, but theyd have to be absolute idiots to not suspect poison ingestion from her coffee. but yeah, in the case that they couldnt test the actual coffee she drank, she may have scraped by due to lack of evidence.

Now I understand why such a short sentence

Rip english

The victim's parents will never know the true cause of their daughter's death and this is because of their immense stupidity - they did not accept the autopsy - the Middle Ages people - it´s all about religion

All evidence was later today found to be forgery and modified, there are no strong evidence that Jessica was the murderer, cyanide was only found on a small amount inside mirna's stomach and cctv video was edited and brought before the trial so sad for Indonesian law enforcer who had orchestrated this case for public performance

This is very true. The less money your country has, the more power you have if you do have it.

She was literally jelly? Don't think I'd want to spread her over a piece of toast...

Unfortunately, people have killed over far, far less.

She's not "all there". Her ex boyfriend needed to have a restraining order against her. This item was missed. She attempted suicide 5 times.

@@magicalmanfromwonderland Damn, 5 tries and couldn't

@@Walamonga1313 yeah, it makes you think it would be better she offed herself than going out there are taking someone else's.

Your English is spot on. No errors that I saw 😀 thanks for sharing

Perfect english! Don't sweat that. Sorry you had to witness that, though.

You're very welcome. Your English is great, by the way!

@Barbie Blues initially everyone was suspecting on agus (the waiter) if he had some sort of connivance or something like that. Afterward, he testified in court, and his testimony was found to be plausible bcs it was supported by alibis that aligned those of other eyewitness accounts, so he pleaded not guilty and his status was changed to witness

@@CoffeehouseCrime thanks! love your content

I fear for anyone who crosses Jessica's path after she's released. She'll still be young enough to do a great deal of harm to others.

Women get lesser sentences than men.

That's Indonesia for you. Even the most despicable criminal can walk away if there is a loophole in our system

@@MathieuLLF that's so true. The laws need to change and hold woman fully accountable like they do men

I head straight to comment section cause I am shock that it was only 20 yrs to prison? That's too short.

@@FetishonyoutubeURL -Thats OK - but you're just assuming that there 's even one person out there that wants to see it.

It's heartbreaking. He must feel so much guilt for thinking she would be safe meeting Jessica with a friend. He probably wishes every day he told her not to go. He lost his wife forever & Jessica only loses 20 yrs.

I know this is serious but I can't move past the fact that there was a coffee pun in you comment

When I read bitterness, I thought something was brewing

@@davidearea242 What was that guy talking about?

That or Death would be more fitting.

@@KillberZomL4D42494 probably life in prison. Death sentences are pretty sensitive in Indonesia, only reserved for drug smugglers.

Blame the Australian federal police for forcing the mildest possible sentence for Jessica over their agreement with Indonesian police in giving Jessica's history

Mental health keep here from death penalty.

to me, her response to the verdict is an obvious proof that she did it

Yes, I sincerely don't get why our host said anything about "greed" as the cause behind this. Purely jealousy.

Jessica wasn't jealous of Mirna. She was jealous of Mirna's husband. Rumour has it Jessica and Mirna was lesbian couple

@@seihanda8792 That is an interesting backdrop...

20year short? Here in sweden she would have gotten 11 year and getting out after 6 and living a good life in prison with good food and Nice bed🙄 swedish jails senteces is a joke

@@seihanda8792 Whoa, this is interesting. May explain the depression when they split.

Your fault. You knew it was gonna happen and didn't insist enough. And your friend is also naive and stupid.

@@johnwt7333 actually it was your fault for not going back in time and stopping it

@@johnwt7333 what a nasty comment, I hope you're ashamed of yourself

@@johnwt7333 how about just don't assault people instead of victim-blaming?

@@johnwt7333 Yikes bro

Iyaa benar jauh sebelum itu mirna mau curhat ke hanni jg . Mungkin mau ceritain soal jessica tp cerita tsb blm sempet terjadi karena mirna skrg sudah meninggal .

This will definitely be difficult for you to understand because there are many strange things in Indonesian law. Please understand if English is difficult to understand because I use translate Here are the facts that I can explain: 1. Jessica arrived early to avoid the 3 in 1 (traffic jams in Jakarta are extraordinary) 2. They agreed to meet at 4, Jessica sent a juice menu to the group and Mirna replied that she liked Vietnamese iced coffee, then Jessica offered to buy it for her then the coffee came at 4.15. Mirna unexpectedly arrived late 3. The table was not chosen by Jessica, but by the cafe waitress 4. Jessica is not monitoring CCTV, but there she is looking for a waiter who guides her to make the payment first 5. When Mirna had a seizure and was referred to the nearest clinic, the victim's husband came to the location and did not allow the doctor to treat her first, he took Mirna to the hospital using a private car without an ambulance (this was very fatal) 6. 70 minutes after Mirna died, cyanide experts found no cyanide in Mirna's stomach and no symptoms of cyanide poisoning. However, 3 days after death and a sample was taken (not an autopsy), it was found to be 0.2 mlg/l (it was not fatal, it could have been due to decomposition of the corpse) 7. There is no evidence that Jessica put poison 8. There were no witnesses who saw Jessica put the poison. There is no evidence that Jessica possessed poison and purchased poison 9. Evidence that the coffee that Mirna drank was no longer original and the glass had been moved. 10. Many experts say that CCTV evidence is suspected to have been doctored. The CCTV was not taken from the DVR but from a flash disk directly and the video had been cut into pieces 11. 14 reports in Australia are not criminal cases. But it was a report of a lost wallet, his girlfriend's worries, his boss's worries and an accident 12. The rumor that Jessica threatened to kill her boss is a LIE, she never said anything like that. It is suspected that her boss didn't like Jessica because she left her job which made it difficult for her boss 13. The judge and public prosecutor at the trial always emphasized Jessica when giving testimony, even the expert witness at the trial from Jessica's attorney was shouted at in a high pitched voice. When Jessica was still being questioned she was forced to admit to an act she did not commit. If he admits he will only be sentenced to 7 years but will not be sentenced to death. It is suspected that they have engineered this case and are suspected of having been bribed by certain parties so that nothing will lighten Jessica's sentence. 14. Someone who previously worked on this case is in prison. This person had committed premeditated murder against his aide. he threatened the police that if he was sentenced to death he would expose the police's rottenness in the cyanide coffee case. (This is very odd, isn't it? It seems true that the coffee cyanide case was engineered) 15. There was a legal expert witness from the public prosecutor at the trial who was caught in a bribery case 16. The judge who sentenced Jessica violated the judge's code of ethics 17. The evidence submitted by Jessica's attorney to the judge and prosecutor that Jessica did not poison the coffee was not seen and was not considered at all by the public prosecutor 18. Jessica was proven guilty based only on the judge's assumptions and beliefs. 19. Mirna's family is thought to have spent a lot of money to cover the mouths of people who said Jessica was not the perpetrator 20. In Indonesia, no money, no justice, no viral, no justice, bribery is a very common thing. because people who don't have money can be made scapegoats or not be prosecuted 21. Jessica acts calm and unemotional because she doesn't want to see her mother sad, because if Jessica is seen crying in public her mother will cry too. Jessica's family is very closed to journalists. Basically, Jessica prioritized her family's feelings because at that time her father had undergone treatment 22. he was arrested at the hotel not because he was evading arrest. He avoided journalists who were always in front of Jessica's house which made it difficult for his family to buy food. After the Netflix documentary was broadcast, many officials threatened those who spoke about this case. There are officials who are trying to cover up this case and are trying to take down videos that discuss the irregularities in this case. This is very strange, why are they trying to cover it up so that this case won't be reopened? This may be strange to hear 🤣but in Indonesia many fortune tellers say Jessica is innocent and coffee is not poisonous. They said Mirna died of chronic stomach disease Now there are 3,800 lawyers who will help Jessica get justice pro-bono. "It is better to free 1000 guilty people than to convict 1 innocent person"

You should have just not met her.

@@adindasist Oof.

Jessica is the murderer...

@@nini89 Oh shit, you’re right. I don’t know how I messed that one up. 🤦🏻‍♀️ I changed it, thanks for letting me know!! ❤

I felt exactly the same

Like the kiss of Judas. In the court hearing, when a psychiatrist explained that Jess and mirna hated each other, she cried. You can also see from the video how far mirna sat away from Jess. The fact that mirna chose to wait for hani outside instead of meeting Jess in the cafe only infuriated her more. That’s when she put the poison in her coffee.

lol your country has the most kills while playing football.. stop beeing shocked pls

Don't be shocked .... look at the mass genocide Indonesia is committing in west papua

She said she was shocked to see this case on his channel. And, you respond that she needs to look at the mass genocide Indonesia is committing. How does your statement have anything to do with hers?

@@fms6306 I am from Indonesia, I live in West Papua. The genocide is not true, you were deceived by the media framing.

@@fms6306 oook, but did we nuke two whole cities? Or commit a proven massacre and continued to deny it? Kill their own military officers over a simple suspicion, or send them to gulag? If you're trying to expose nations of their war crimes, don't do that here.

Recursion 😱

That's so meta

LOL!

OMG lol

it come full circle

Are you sure Mirna died by poison ? there's no autopsy...and that's the fact what happening here in our country, how if Mirna died because of Gerd ? hhhmmm...

​@user-xf8se6ju6z its true no autopsy was done. Such red flag. They only took a sample form tue stomach, however there was no cianide.

since when just your perception is valid evidence? you're the sick one.

Just the idea she smiled on the verdict, it looked like she admitted her guilt that she felt she should pay for the death. She is like thinking she escaped death penalty and she erased Mirna in her life so that is win win situation for her. You get your life then Mirna did not have it. Life is what Jessica has that Mirna does not have so she wins against Mirna. Win win situation for Jessica. The CCTV is so clear she drank it amd felt the effect she died. There is no reason to say it wasn't caused by Jessica.

​@@user-xf8se6ju6zif you look at the reports at 60 mins australia video posted, the experts says theres a amount of cynide in her stomach, although no reports stated that cyanide present in her other bodies, the amount of cyanide in her stomach could potentially kill her:) besides jessica's manager stated that 2 months before the murder happened, jessica attempt to suicide and told her manager that she knows the amount of how much to kill someone, also threatened her manager saying she could kill her and her mother, thats some sick person:)

I don't see where her husband reacted. What's the timestamp?

@@hotel_arcadia 19:30

@@hotel_arcadia He appears at around 19:26. So sad. I wish him well. 😢

How can you "literally feel the pain through the screen?"

@@gav1983 It's called empathy, my dude

Thank you for these additional details!

@@nekotantei my pleasure!

@@nekotantei Thanks 😊

Love the additonal facts! However, although I know this is nitpicky, Aussie is the demonym and not used for the country. It's like saying, "An expert from Italian."

@@SiilanPies IDK we Indonesians use it a lot to refer to the country/its people while speaking in our language ☺️

Good for him I hope he does

He better be hiring someone to end her.

@@ekimandersom4478 but he let the law handled it

Yess he is a very damn good dad. N he knew what to do to bring justice for his beloved daughter, miRNA ...

Blame the australia government for thats, She guaranteed will get capital punishment or Life sentenced, But the Deal With Australia Save her ass

Very well said!

@@CoffeehouseCrime 20 years is too short

It's really hard to find a friend that we can 100% trust these days. My best friend blackmailed me because I tried protecting him from his friends( whom he thought to be good)....he just told me to F**k off. Well, later he realized that I was right all along. He wants to be my friend, but I'm done with that.

Wow Lonelywhale. Hopefully a 20 year sentence does mean 20 years, unlike other countries where she would be out in 10. She's frightening. I have a feeling that she will just be even more angry and jealous once she is released. The victim's husband is truly distraught. What a lovely couple they were. It will take him a long time but I do hope that he can find happiness again.

@@IslandGirlKelly She appealed to the court in 2017, she also asked for a review of a court decision in 2018, but the Supreme Court rejected all the requests and she was still sentenced to 20 years in prison, but we all know that wasn't fair enough:(

haha nice

"Thick & dark like our hearts".🤣

@@lavanya_sanatani damn dark heart 😢👀👀😮👀

I agree... and my pleasure! haha

@Lloyd Nestle she will never get out

If she finds Jesus, there's hope... but she wasn't sorry for her actions, that was just evil.

@Lloyd Nestle yep

@@bwcarter921 well, She already found one, but this versions is more Vegan And Really Like To cross his leg,lol

Maybe the signature of a psychopath is the inability to comprehend that your actions will be catalogued against you! So often they seems to totally miss the fact that what they are doing is obvious to any observer! They think they are so clever when really they are so stupid!

@@bthomson I agree Jessica was a psychopath but she was clearly a very stupid one. Those psychotic killers who were never caught or were very hard to catch never killed anyone in public, or were never near the area when the killing began (the Unabomber for instance).

Ya think?

@@fc7307 The dead woman's sister said that Jessica was jealous. I think at front view, that does look like the case, however we don't know what was the issue between the two. Serial Killers are different because they often kill without a grudge, or they chose to take their grudge out on random, innocent people. To your knowledge, Did Jessica poison the other friend coffee cup too?

@@princeofcupspoc9073 Yeah, I do. Your point being?...

I know!~And when Mirna asked the others to taste the coffee, that other person they were with could've also gotten poisoned!

@@Cinedragon I'm just glad Mirna's other friend, Honey, didn't try it as stupid Jessica could had killed two people instead of just one. 20 years is way too short for a premeditated murder. She should had gotten life as Mirna lost her life so Jessica should had lost hers as well.

Indeed. Sad.

@@saysoun752 she isn’t a man, therefore she would’ve never gotten a life sentence for this

@@torachan23 Sad but true.

Her family will feel her loss more, having known her all their lives.

@@Lotsielots that doesn’t mean the husband won’t grieve just the same amount. It’s not a competition on who will grieve more.

Meh crying like a Lil biatch in court ain't gonna bring her back. Plenty of fish in the sea. Just throw your rod and hope another 1 bite. No use sobbing about it.

@@ZannyFTW agreed. There are some things that are better left unspoken.

@@lordbiscuitthetossable5352 🥰

Women’s treachery knows no limits

The first picture he shows, when those two weren't married yet, I could already tell they were SO cute together

not defending her but in indonesia the default face of almost everyone is a smiling face, it's not necessarily joy, it's just a default face

@@kaitoyuu1925 Ga juga sih. Sok tau lu tot.

how come theres no mentioned about the husband who took out the US$5 million life insurance on mirna ??? have you guys not done any research on this ?????

I believe her accident had a huge part of her degradation.

Try to avoid poisoning the customers!!!!! 🤣

@@ronelllambert5394 I’ll do my best!

That's because she didn't care about her in the slightest. Her dysfunctional life, the self-destructive behavior, was a result of her dysfunctional interpretation of her own natural emotions. This kind of behavior often creates collateral damage, the result of caring for no one but yourself. She was jealous of Mirna because she believed that Mirna was everything she wanted to be. A dysfunctional interpretation of the natural emotion we call jealousy, is envy. Being jealous of someone is something everyone experiences, and it's important for our mental health. It's only when we try to repress those emotions by continuously reinforcing the idea that it's "bad" or "wrong" to be jealous, the divide between our emotions and the way we act on them, becomes a battlefield. Instead of finding ways to express those emotions, we shove them aside and never deal with them or try to understand why we're feeling that way. Because jealousy is natural, the emotion will always reoccur, and over time, we try harder and harder to push it aside. As the pressure grows, we'll become more and more desperate to hide from it, and will use things like drugs and alcohol. The consequences from doing those things have a snowball effect, and before long, there is no way to stop it from rolling further downhill and it all climaxes in a very destructive event, like driving into a nursing home because you're drunk. Sorry for the novel, I guess I just feel strongly about it all 😂

@@informanti jealousy is always “wrong”, what are you talking about? In what situation/context would jealousy NOT be wrong? While having the emotion is natural, it is a bad emotion. It shouldn’t be ignored, but don’t make it seem like it’s not always a bad thing to have

Why is the boyfriend a loser ? Surely he was also a victim

I thought Jessica told Mirna to leave her boyfriend? Did I misunderstand? When Mirna went on to marry the boyfriend, she didn't invite Jessica to the wedding, which enraged Jessica. I thought Jessica was jealous of the boyfriend who would take Mirna away, plus of Mirna's successful life.

@@dovebair you misunderstood. 3:27 "Mirna told Jessica she didn't approve of her boyfriend and told her to leave him". This is the fight that basically ended their friendship.

@@tomhindley1584 Mirna seemed like a very kind and intelligent person. Why would she have told Jessica to leave him and that she didn't approve of their relationship? I suppose I am making an assumption but I think it's a pretty safe assumption.

Yeah but let’s be honest. Nobody should ever tell someone to leave their partner because they never will. People leave out of their own will, it should be adviced but not ordered, this is for others, it’s none of your business. However Jessica was so stupid and evil. RIP Mirna

@@aseeds7785 She wasn't invited to Mirna's wedding. Jessica was already crazy though, Mirna was just the unlucky target.

@@aseeds7785 I think Jessica was always jealous of her. She’s married now things are different.. maybe they’re planning for a family soon. Priorities are husband/family first not friends. Plus her husband wasn’t very fond of her.

@UCPedRKBgl4CHtAJVToe3mVw he also said that while they were meeting in australia, mirna told jessica that she didnt approve of jessicas boyfriend at the time and told her to breakup, that made jessica also angry and she left mirna to pay the whole bill at the restaurant they met in

The verdict was right on. Too bad the sentence was too short!

What I hate from Indonesia, the criminal always smile whenever they are in front of camera. They never showed any remorse, tch.

Sadly she passed.Same happened to me last year but i survived!

50 years as a Starbucks janitor without access to any ☕

I think it should be a life for a life

@Aleksa Jovanović what if they killed with a reason like self defense (i do not mean stand your ground laws those can suck it)

@@nerdstormer3544 "what if they defended their self without defending their self "

@@gamingsaint8141 i mean there was this group of climbers that were taken hostage and they ended up pushing one of the hostage takers of a cliff. I think like in this situation your inoccent it was out of desperation and survival So it depends really on the what and why of the situation

Same, I really enjoyed it. This channel is great

i need to try vietnamese coffee now

Agreed! Would be happy to watch more of them.

@TheMrCaptainStfu I mean it is called coffeehouse crime, plus you can skip that part with the time stamps :)

I actually like this detail too

I wanted to see it being stirred at the end. I feel cheated!

Going to try it. My save me $5 a day since my husband likes them.

Me to🧚‍♀️best coffee ☕ break EVER!!!

Sadly, 20 years is max cap for timed sentence in indonesia, because death penalty is out of option because for some reason Australia try to defend her (life sentence is also a option, but i think Australia don't want that either), this is probably the most harsh punishment she can get Unless she get another trial after she getting out and get 20 years sentence again, but i doubt it's possible, and even if it's possible, i doubt Australia would like it

In indonesia justice law, 20 years is the max sentence can be given with duration. After that is life time sentence.

@@justanotherguy4382 what do you have to do to get life?

@@luminen4051 lol to me it looks like in indonesia law to get life you have to be mass murderer

@@Smiley-ps1yc Well if anyone wants to be a criminal, just move to Indonesia. They obviously don't care.

@@luminen4051 @luminen she might have qualified to get a life sentence, but as you can hear the judge think she can be rehabilitated. Or the judge might also think she had mental issues. As you can see, she can still smile in front of camera and no remorse shown. law and punishment is not about revenge you know.

Exactly! The hard evidence was the leftover coffee. Jessica shot herself in the foot there. I'm sure if she'd said nothing, and she and Hani had rushed Mirna out of the cafe to an ambulance, the cafe staff would have cleared their table, thrown out the coffee, and washed their cups, leaving behind no evidence. All the police would have had is the CCTV footage of Jessica acting suspiciously.

Pooice will find the cyanide trace inside her stomach, but the coffee will surely gone by then.

Jessica's foolishness somehow saved the owner and the spiked coffee for evidence!

True, I would just think that the person had a seazure

but the girl who was poisoned said the coffee tasted funny. That's the biggest clue, and that's what would make someone preserve the coffee.

@@rippedkangerooarmwrestling9971 are you feeling okay hun? Are you on you MANstrual cycle? The guy was being polite and explaining that in comparison to most other crime channels, this channel shows empathy and respect to the victims which most other channels don't. They just live for the sensationalism and the drama. The guy commenting above is just showing his gratitude that the cases covered by the channel aren't glorified and sensationalised. You really ought to stop overthinking and take some lithium and chill out!

At a young age 😊🙏 thank you 😊

No victims without a murderer, what did the victims do that made them special? Nothing, they went to school like everyone else, got a job like everyone else, they aren't special and add no value to the case, just wasted filler so he can get more ad rolls

African Alchemist if you got murdered, would you want people to recognize your murder as just a person who went to school and had a job? You want people to just go over your murder as if it’s nothing? Man, you are so low, must really hate yourself if that’s how you think. Not nice to live with that idea in your head yknow

@@athena7766 no I wouldn't want to be remembered because I would be dead and no longer a functioning part of the world (idk if you know what that is being a weeb and all) and being constantly put on a pedastal as a victim just gives the killer more power since it turns you into a trophy for them, a permanent scar in people's minds. But your weeb mind just can't comprehend that can it, you just think that if someone dies you don't know you have to feel sympathy for them. You don't know my thoughts as I don't know yours, but weeb keyboard warriors like to make presumptions like you did

envy is no joke. The moment you sense someone envy you and start hating you. Cut them off!

"God please protect me from my friends. I can handle my enemies." - Voltaire

There are people who, when they see a couple in a relationship that is good , they will try to destroy it. Especially if it threatens the group dynamic . It happened to me. Very sad.

Crazy people like jessica is actually walk beside us, hiding among us in this world using their mask, be careful with those you being friend and associate with, people that make you feel uncomfortable is the one you should avoid the most, any negativity or ill intention in one mind cant hide from our human instinct, we just going to feel it illogically

Yeah just like the woman who put poison to her friend's eye drop to kill her and many more stories..

Thank you captain obvious

@TheMrCaptainStfu you're entitled to your opinion bro...

@TheMrCaptainStfu I don't see why it's such a big of a deal. Someone is just trying to share an experience they had relating to the coffee.

@TheMrCaptainStfu dude it's just my opinion. It's a bit thicker & a bit sweeter that normal coffee. Or because you're such a stickler I should say MY normal coffee. Plus it's fun to make. So I like it once in a while. I rly don't understand why you care so much about my taste in coffee, it's not a big deal just agree to disagree 🤷

@TheMrCaptainStfu She said "While I don't drink it often, it is a nice treat when you want something different" You're the making it more dramatic then it already was in the first place. Calm down.

I've never had coffee this way but it sounds delicious 😋

Ever hear of Two Gun Crowley? This is then mentality of narcissitic individuals who justify and self victimise themselves for their vile actions.

Absolute pyscho

I don't think you should judge this cases in such a superficial matter. There are several factors and studies around it. For instance, in one hand there is the ideal of rehabilitation of the acussed, in the other, the ideal of neutralization of the danger held within the person. Than, there is the difference between the law and the legal system as a way for justice as people think, or just an instrument of social order, cause it's very difficulty to bring real justice in the real world, and set it apart from vengeance and sense of retribution that is never enough. At least, you have to think in the real victims. The society, and, specially, the family and friends of the deceased person. At first, you would want the most severe penalty for the agressor, because the penalty can't be light enough so it would stimmulaty individual and vengeanfull thoughts and actions, creating a circle of hated. But studies shows that the victims needs to couple with reality with time. And surprisingly, it's better to them to accept that tragic things happen and no sentence would return their loved one. In other words, a world where you kill and get killed brings little hope and capabilities for the person to move on. In the other hand, a world where someone kills and that's the way it is and still have to think about the humanity of the killers, gives incentive to the victims acceptance of the world good and bad, as a whole, giving them better chance to survive in a chaotic system and find peace. So.. You have to read and check the empiric data and always think about the big picture. Those judges, that have the burden to see families destroyed, and cruelty acts, doesn't do a relative light sentence for no reason. There are hundreds of hours in study of books, ideas, concepts and human psychological in it. At least here in Brazil.

Another thing, there are several studies that shows jail as a school of crime. In other worlds, you enter as a robber and go out as a killer, with a worst degree of criminal danger. So.. What do you do? Lock everybody for life? Then you created a system designed solely in the neutralization of the criminals. And it would represent a system that create poverty, Desi qualities, and than, punish people with less. If the system is unjustly, the people that commits unjustified acts are not aggressors, but victims, and the system as a whole must be on trial, as Mandela read and said. So.. If you can't lock someone for life, you have to lock them in the time necessary for the society and family to move on and recover within years, and with no guarantee, while thinking in the possibility of rehabilitation of the criminal. See how it's not so simple, and only based on how we feel and want? Because we humans only have simphaty for the ones we consider equals. And no one choose to do bad things for themselfs because they want to. It's a tough job to judge someone.

@@12bru63 Tell this to the two 10-year-olds who killed a kid, got off, and are actually on protection programs with one going in and out of jail and bragging about what he has done and trying to do it again. And the mother getting trolled and blamed for letting her own child killed.

@TheMrCaptainStfu ok, then skip it. Or quit watching. Problem solved.

@TheMrCaptainStfu ok lol.

Aw man, Im just constipated

I use that phrase for Karens

I’ve been using that phrase for ten years at least, but I heard it from somewhere else. I’ve never heard anyone else use it though, and was pleasantly surprised when he did. Hopefully it catches on more, it always makes me chuckle.

Mirna definitely should have kept moving and not met back up with such a toxic "friend," bearing fatal toxins. Mirna failed to trust her gut all the way, and stay away for good. She took a friend with her, but obviously that wasn't anything that would have protected her from the poisoned coffee. Do not sit down with someone who might be an enemy. Obviously, it's hard to jump to the conclusion that somebody's going to kill you. But if they've already ordered drinks don't drink them! Insist on paying for a new round.

Her ex-coworker when she worked for ambulance told to media that Jessica ever made joke that She knows the exact portion of drug to poison someone. Many times sending dead threats to her manager. They all think Jessica is more than capable to do this messed up stuff.

Trust your gut !!

@@maximestormflower7171 "the exact portion of drug to poison someone" She fancied herself smart I think. Poisoning someone with cyanide ain't exactly a delicate job.

The sickest part is that she killed the person who reached out to her o help her when she attempted suicide. If only Jessica was successful😤

@@arimax888 yessss! That is so sick.

@TheMrCaptainStfu you know you can skip ahead right

I would like to share why I disagree. There are plenty of videos on KZfaq focusing solely on coffee and how they make it around the world. There aren't however, channels that focus solely on smaller cases/ worldwide cases. I feel like the little coffee break takes away from the main part of the video and it feels a bit inappropriate to just put in a coffee demo in the middle of a murder case.

lol getting mad over a coffee tutorial 😂 gotta be 10

@@ThePurpleGlitterEater I dont think it takes away at all and in this case sue to the circumstances of the case it was very apporpriate. Adrain does a fantastic job of putting us in the setting of where this happened and the coffee mad it even more immersive. Also, if u dont like it skip ahead.

Only if relative to the case. In this case it was.

Wow, your grandma’s wise advice found me at a very appropriate moment. Thank you Kammy and Grammy 🙏 ✌️

@@Emiliapocalypse Good to know that even after she's passed her advice still helps me and now it helped you too. You're very welcome. Stay happy. 😊

I love this! I’m using it whenever I get the chance! Your grandma was a wise woman!💙💙💙

Your grandma seems very wise.

Jess's mom in interviewed said miRNA had taken n ruined her most beloved youngest ( spoiled ) daughter succesfull life in Australia n made Jessica as the black sheep of miRNA's death . Jessica is a good daughter n very smart too cos she took after her very well n never miss a second . ( That's Jess's mom said during the interviewed, u can Google but it was all in bahasa ) ... Now u can understand where Jessica has this sosiopyscopath issues.

I hope so, too. may she continue trying to commit suicide and actually succeed.

This will definitely be difficult for you to understand because there are many strange things in Indonesian law. Please understand if English is difficult to understand because I use translate Here are the facts that I can explain: 1. Jessica arrived early to avoid the 3 in 1 (traffic jams in Jakarta are extraordinary) 2. They agreed to meet at 4, Jessica sent a juice menu to the group and Mirna replied that she liked Vietnamese iced coffee, then Jessica offered to buy it for her then the coffee came at 4.15. Mirna unexpectedly arrived late 3. The table was not chosen by Jessica, but by the cafe waitress 4. Jessica is not monitoring CCTV, but there she is looking for a waiter who guides her to make the payment first 5. When Mirna had a seizure and was referred to the nearest clinic, the victim's husband came to the location and did not allow the doctor to treat her first, he took Mirna to the hospital using a private car without an ambulance (this was very fatal) 6. 70 minutes after Mirna died, cyanide experts found no cyanide in Mirna's stomach and no symptoms of cyanide poisoning. However, 3 days after death and a sample was taken (not an autopsy), it was found to be 0.2 mlg/l (it was not fatal, it could have been due to decomposition of the corpse) 7. There is no evidence that Jessica put poison 8. There were no witnesses who saw Jessica put the poison. There is no evidence that Jessica possessed poison and purchased poison 9. Evidence that the coffee that Mirna drank was no longer original and the glass had been moved. 10. Many experts say that CCTV evidence is suspected to have been doctored. The CCTV was not taken from the DVR but from a flash disk directly and the video had been cut into pieces 11. 14 reports in Australia are not criminal cases. But it was a report of a lost wallet, his girlfriend's worries, his boss's worries and an accident 12. The rumor that Jessica threatened to kill her boss is a LIE, she never said anything like that. It is suspected that her boss didn't like Jessica because she left her job which made it difficult for her boss 13. The judge and public prosecutor at the trial always emphasized Jessica when giving testimony, even the expert witness at the trial from Jessica's attorney was shouted at in a high pitched voice. When Jessica was still being questioned she was forced to admit to an act she did not commit. If he admits he will only be sentenced to 7 years but will not be sentenced to death. It is suspected that they have engineered this case and are suspected of having been bribed by certain parties so that nothing will lighten Jessica's sentence. 14. Someone who previously worked on this case is in prison. This person had committed premeditated murder against his aide. he threatened the police that if he was sentenced to death he would expose the police's rottenness in the cyanide coffee case. (This is very odd, isn't it? It seems true that the coffee cyanide case was engineered) 15. There was a legal expert witness from the public prosecutor at the trial who was caught in a bribery case 16. The judge who sentenced Jessica violated the judge's code of ethics 17. The evidence submitted by Jessica's attorney to the judge and prosecutor that Jessica did not poison the coffee was not seen and was not considered at all by the public prosecutor 18. Jessica was proven guilty based only on the judge's assumptions and beliefs. 19. Mirna's family is thought to have spent a lot of money to cover the mouths of people who said Jessica was not the perpetrator 20. In Indonesia, no money, no justice, no viral, no justice, bribery is a very common thing. because people who don't have money can be made scapegoats or not be prosecuted 21. Jessica acts calm and unemotional because she doesn't want to see her mother sad, because if Jessica is seen crying in public her mother will cry too. Jessica's family is very closed to journalists. Basically, Jessica prioritized her family's feelings because at that time her father had undergone treatment 22. he was arrested at the hotel not because he was evading arrest. He avoided journalists who were always in front of Jessica's house which made it difficult for his family to buy food. After the Netflix documentary was broadcast, many officials threatened those who spoke about this case. There are officials who are trying to cover up this case and are trying to take down videos that discuss the irregularities in this case. This is very strange, why are they trying to cover it up so that this case won't be reopened? This may be strange to hear 🤣but in Indonesia many fortune tellers say Jessica is innocent and coffee is not poisonous. They said Mirna died of chronic stomach disease Now there are 3,800 lawyers who will help Jessica get justice pro-bono. "It is better to free 1000 guilty people than to convict 1 innocent person"

@@adindasist - 🙄 Shut up.

Haha Jessica ruined her own plans to get away with murder. She must have thought that everyone would find it suspicious that a person would start convulsing after drinking some coffee. In fact, nobody would have made the connection right away but since Jessica knew it was the poisoned coffee, in her mind, she imagined that others would immediately think the coffee was the possible cause and that Jessica was responsible (since she knew she was). So she accused the cafe staff as a way to plant suspicion that it was them, rather than Mirna's companions, which included Jessica. And this tactic to try to divert suspicion away from her failed spectacularly. If Jessica had been smart, she would have tried to get Mirna out of the cafe to hospital, and then left with Hani. Their table would have been empty so staff would have cleared away the drinks and poured the coffee down the drain, without giving it a thought. Even if Mirna had been put into an ambulance immediately, there was no way to save Mirna as cyanide acts extremely quickly.

A real-life example of the "Nice John Fixing It, Villain!" trope,

Exactly. This case was dragged on pretty long because both Jessica and Mirna came from rich families... Jessica thought she could really got away with murder in Indonesia, but thankfully Mirna's family kept on pushing for justice. It must've been really devastating for the husband and family to come to the court, seeing Jessica denying and lying through her teeth. RIP Mirna

But didn't mirna say the coffee tasted funny? wouldn't that be the main clue and reason why they suspected it was the coffee?

I really don’t know why ppl keep commenting this as if the case hinged on the leftover coffee, and just ignore everything else smh

based on what i remembered from the case , it was jealousy. Mirna was getting up on the world while hers was downspiraling

@@Vivi-vj4zy It seems obvious to me that she doesn't have the capacity to love something. She may have been jealous that her friend was spending less time with her, hence trying to make her friend break up, but that is purely for selfishness. Mirna cutting off all ties probably happened for many more reasons than the confrontation about her boyfriend.

@@sorano111 Why would you kill anyone over that? I can imagine if Mirna got rich did some smear campaign and paid Jessica's employers to fire her. But then that wouldn't be jealously at all.

@Nuby great, cos men don't do that!

Damn, no remorse.

Absolutely not

Rehabilitation shouldn't even be considered or even hoped for for someone like her. Either she would be put in jail and made sure to stay there for the rest of her life or just straight up death sentence.

I agree. But if there is even the slightest chance someone like her can be a changed person, they can do that behind bars for the remainder of their life. Even if she suddenly felt the crushing weight of her actions and she felt overwhelming remorse, it doesn’t change the fact that she took an innocent person’s life away.

ARGH! You do NOT know that. This video told a very condensed story of the events. You know practically NOTHING. Please research primary sources before making these kinds of statements.

@@princeofcupspoc9073 The way she reacted to killing her friend tells it all. You either have a conscious or you don't. I am not pro death penalty, but I think the best you can do to reform a person like this is teaching them not to kill people. You can't teach human empathy to a grown woman who murdered someone the way she did.