Another favorite of my own thumbnails if I say so myself ugh I should do this for a living but I'm too busy being existential AF (as portrayed in the thumbnail (which illustrates the video's title and theme (form supporting the narrative (cinema))))

friedrich "BKC" nietzsche back at it again to explain to us why Arceus is dead and how we killed it the moment Finchinator was allowed to grip the reigns of power.

bkc could actually affect results with his influence, luckily none of his viewers are good enough to vote

It's truly No Country for Old Gamers out there.

Interesting how lopsided the result was to no ban considering most spectators appeared to assume it was going to be a surefire ban result

This video is just the "am i out of touch no its the children who are wrong" meme

People will say “Just use Spiritomb because pressure cuts Dynamic Punch’s PP to 4” then complain that their Spiritomb stall doesn’t work

If they won't ban Reuniclus just add Arceus to BW OU. Problem solved. 👺

Machamp not being banned is fine, because the problem is actually the combination of No Guard + Dynamic Punch, which is what SHOULD be banned, but the oldgen councils are so far up their own ass they'd rather let the tier rot. Reuniclus is a different story. I do think Reuniclus needs to be looked at again because I don't think simply letting the mon be is ok. But who am I to judge? I'm a BKC viewer.

My good buddy Ryan Gosling has been unable to fall asleep since the last BKC upload. Finally some peace.

it feels to me that any tiering action in mons has to first overcome the significant portion of players whose primary motivating factor is proving they are more skilled than the people who want to ban the thing.

This was a very dark episode, the life lessons shook me to my core

If they keep BW Reuniclus unbanned, they should make Arceus-Bug OU.

Dumb question. What's the difference between Machamp d punch fishing and rachi iron head flinch fishing? Not just in terms of effectiveness but in terms of what principles/lines that one crosses but the other doesn't. I'm genuinely curious. From my uneducated perspective, banning iron head on rachi and banning d punch on machamp are logically consistent IF we just consider the PRINCIPLES involved.

I'll say this: at least with Reuniclus they actually ran a suspect test. Even though I don't agree with the result, I'm glad that there was a test to produce the result in the first place. More of those at the very least would be nice.

I watched BW2 Smogon Classic lately, I think around the semi-final and more, 1/3 of teams run Reuniclus, it was crazy, with the same type structure (spikes, etc.).

I hope we can have this conversation about Clef on ORAS in the near future

I knew this wouldnt go anywhere. Getting people to actually change something in an old gen is like pulling teeth, regardless of how objectively fking stupid something is

Don't worry BKC. One of the league nights at my local bowling alley is the same way People complain about this and that or this for the whole season and when the rules meetings for the seasons happen they're like "Yeah the rules are fine. We don't wanna change anything.".

What music do u like BKC

Sometimes a game we used to love is no longer for us. Be it a player base or game design decision that we feel powerless to affect, we can only strive for an ideal game state that will never exist or reminisce of fun times in the past for so long before it begins to feel overwhelmingly hopeless that we are at odds with someone (player/developer/even politicians to extend to real life) who does not value or stand for the same things as us. It’s disheartening for sure when you feel really invested into something you want to see be great take steps away from that goal. Such is Pokemon. Oddsmaxing with suboptimal teams is accepted by the high end player base across a lot of gens, but rather than quashing the atrocious examples of sleep moves or dynamic punch, we recognize their broken elements and rationalize it with really specific examples of counter play that are exceedingly limiting on teambuilding. If the player base would rather jump through those hoops than make their game more conducive to deciding the better player (evident in Smogon’s shift in to policy a decade ago to move to banning Pokemon over uncompetitive moves/abilities), then of course the best strategy as a player is to max odds regardless of player skill.

the reason we have bans is because ppl aren't having fun and complain better player winning is irrelevant if everyone enjoys tier but better player losing, nothing would happen ever complaints are what cause bans not anything else especially prevalent these days due to discord where people work themselves into believing something in their secluded group

There's no better Birthday present that a piece of this wonderful cake called... Smogon Tiering Drama My favorite 🍰

Was waiting on your response to this decision 🙏🏾

I have never played gen 5 OU. But i like giving my opinion on things i have no knowledge of. So i'll just say: if the majority of games end with a Calm Mind Reuni vs Calm Mind Reuni, that makes the meta cringe, so banning the troublesome mons would be based.

The preservation of Machamp by the coward Smogon Tiering Council

17:00 my favorite part of the video

Old gen communities: these tiers clearly have problems and need to be changed but we are too afraid to majorly change the tier so we’ll pick the least consequential broken thing to ban Old gen communities once the least consequential thing is chosen: vote a resounding no ban

things are heating up in the BW OU community

I know there's probably reasons deeper than what I'm about to say, but I'm not at all surprised neither got banned because they're slow mons It seems to more often than not go that way if a problematic mon/strat is on something slow, unless it's near 100% undeniably egregious. Otherwise it takes a ton of revisiting the issue until it finally happens maybe

(I wrote a longer comment about this, but it was kinda a unrelated ramble, so I am rewriting it a bit here) Are there any particular strategies in pokemon you hate fighting against, but do not consider ban worthy and/or a net negative for the game? I ask that because some of the talk in the video reminds me of how people say they hate playing against polarizing stuff like grapplers and zoners in fighters, but most people who say that wouldn't want them actually banned. The vitriol towards them is usually exaggerated frustations about some stuff about them, while they recognize they are a net positive for the diversity and fun of the game, or that they aren't actually unbeatable, just annoying to fight fot their usual style Obviously I am not saying stuff like dynamic punch machamp isn't ban worthy lol. Specially because fighters that require quick and precise inputs, an are quite different from a long turn base strategy game like pokemon, where in the former is more doable to just outskill your opponent powerful stuff as ya play Just wondering ir anything in pokemon sometimes bring those kind of feelings for ya

Just hit the halfway point in the video and promptly lost a game turn 4 due to 2 confusion hits in a row followed by a crit :-)

BKC

I know there's probably reasons deeper than what I'm about to say, but I'm not at all surprised neither got banned because they're slow mons It seems to more often than not go that way if a problematic mon/strat is on something slow, unless it's near 100% undeniably egregious

Plz bring back sun. At least it would bring something of interest to the tier. Literally Ttar + Magic Guard + 2-3 Regen mons is becoming so stale. Rain is totally suffocated and Drag Mag is the only other relevant strategy which is less dreadfully boring than sand but still nothing special. Crazy Reun wasn't banned. Shit has been broken for over a decade. Or just fucking get rid of Ttar. I have no idea why its extremely restrictive presence has never been addressed or even identified. And I'm not anxious about changing the tier radically at this point. It sucks shit. It sucks a hell of a lot more than it did when Dugtrio and Gothitelle, perennial shitstains, were still allowed.

Big sand keeps winning

“Imma go to the gym and then do things later”? No need to slap me on the way out

A big reason why I didn't improve much at smogon singles in my last years of playing the game, and a big reason why i eventually ended up stopping altogether is because of how closed off and unwelcoming the community can be. People will be absolutely awful to you when you're not good and I think that's also a reason why people stick with tiers they don't enjoy : having to learn a new tier means being worse for a time, and the community won't let you get away with that.

If Froslass caught a ban no one wanted for potential Para + Confusion + Snow Cloak cheese no one ever used, then I'm fine with Machamp getting nuked

I Remember when bkc talked about gem , where people who win with something broken will refuse to ban it , I guess the same happend again , since they are the one who win constantly win they won't be banned

the video title is so emo

Why not have a vote for banning No Guard? Machamp line was the only line who had it in DPP, Guts Machamp would stick around

To be perfectly fair tho, why didn't you vote in the Reuniclus suspect? The results could have been different if the people who were pro ban actually came out to vote, ABR being the biggest other example, how can you make the change you want to see if you're not putting in the effort?

Really don't understand how Smogon tiering is so up their own ass, the turnover rate is pretty bad, people are leaving more than they are joining, especially in lower tiers and they don't want to ban mons to freshen a tier to bring new people into it

Rewatching all of BoJack Horseman within a week means you watched about 1 season per day. Damn.

Finch: “Am I really going to defile this old meta for a power trip? *OF COURSE I AM!”*

I heard the Reuniclus vote was influenced by the votes of: Ainchinator, Binchinator, Cinchinator, Dinchinator, Einchinator, Finchinator, (...), Xinchinator, Yinchinator and Zinchinator, truly astounding what he'll do to save stall.

from the outside it looks kinda like a natural development. as the metagame ges more known and the people still playing get deeper and deeper into it the small diffrences level out the remaining diffrences become more important e.g. some good RNG with Dynamic Punch confusions. and where years ago the skill diffrences were big enough to overcome a bad confusion it isnt anymore. and for players that are worse it is perfectly rational to try and add some variance into the game. nothing wrong with that. and yes its the same people that purposeflly employ more RNG against a better player and then complain when they fall victim to a worse player doing the same. you ban the stuff that break through reunicles bc its too broken and cant be controlled and then reunicles becomes dominant. and as everone knows that you get a lot more games that come down to who e.g. crits first in the reunicles war. 25 turns prep, then 20 turns reunicles war then oops crit into gg. yeah, that's kinda unsatisfying.

Why did Machamp have to stay legal??? I'm so tired of sash Machamp leads beating specs Heatran on DPP ladder /j

Hey guys im getting into BW ou, and I'm playing a lot of rain. Whats a good switch in to reuniclus after it's gotten a calm mind of two off?

Every day we stray further from Arceus

I hate how my boy is still NOT banned!!! WHYYYYY!!! It is a really huge constricting presence in the meta 😭

Can I ask for the replays in the video?

Sarah Lynn?

The reason we ban things is because they are uncompetitive. What does that mean? It means something is so centralizing that you need specific (usually a sparse and/or weak) pokemon or its too RNG dependent and turns the game into coin flip simulator. Swagger is uncompetitive because it becomes a 50/50 that you kill the big threat or the opponent sweeps you. This was more obvious when Klefki was introduced. If you think Machamp, Scald, or anything is healthy for the metagame, allow the test. Bring your teams that benefit from the lack of these and show why these things are healthy for the metagame.

a lot of early birds today, proud to be one of them.

I got my popcorn ready

Biggest drama of the last 24 hours

Ban rain

The thing you're missing with Machamp situation, is that "high level players" complain about it, but the general player base dont see it as the primary problem with DPP meta/tier. Hell, most of them weren't even aware and or using Machamp until this issue generally arose. And after the way Froslass was handled, cant blame the general player base for not wanting to ban pokemon, moves, or abilities. Most people were in favor of a suspect test, but they never saw him as the main issue. Certainly not over Jirachi, and say whatever you want about Jirachi, but vs Machamp, Jirachi has far more impact on the tier as a whole. And your stockholm syndrome reference, that's how the common players feel about top players views when it comes to Jirachi. The top are disconnected. If you want to ensure the better player wins, then you need to eliminate all RNG aspects of the game to make it "fair" and "balanced".

I think people resist change. Obvious I know. But ultimately poor decisions catch up eventually. Stay strong kev. Arceus will smile upon us someday.

I was actually trying to get people to discuss just banning Dynamic Punch for Machamp but just got shut down over and over. It’s very infuriating to see this immaturity where we can’t just have a reasonable discussion. This was a very easy solution that just got destroyed immediately. Also where is the video of Pokémon’s regional forms in early generations? I know it was months ago but it seems interesting.

If God was real, why doesn't he get involved in Smogon tiering more often smh. Checkmate Christians.

Situation just as bad as Trump's assassination attempt

May as well ban critical hits, full paralysis chance, sleep entirely, make freeze flat turns ect. Because confusion is so bad!

BW OU is the greatest metagame ever

This is very representative of the political state of the United States and the societal norm of passivity and inaction in the face of legitimate issues (I’m like half joking but the parallels are kinda obvious)

Consider me the first comment of your video.