This video and most people in general overstate the problem with his tail hurt box. A bigger reason why Mewtwo is less effective now is due to the nerf of his Nair follow ups, and yes, the new air dodge mechanics hurt him as well

"Let me tell you something. If he's Mars, then abadangos pluto cuz THAT WAS COLD AS HELL" Mewtwo in smash 4 should be the prime example on how to go about buffing a character. And it absolutely angers the piss out of me that they put the tail hurt on back. Hey Nintendo. Being a high tiered character in a previous game doesn't mean you should gut the character to the freaking ground like that

Wasn’t expecting mewtwo

Melee: Has amazing combo potential, amazing edge guarding, and a decent projectile. Unfortunately it's weight and tail hurtbox make Mewtwo worse but overall Mewtwo is a semi-decent character if you know how to properly play it. 4: Basically got the same treatment as Marth/Lucina. Started out as a bad character but overtime got some big buffs and became one of the top 10 best characters in the game. Unfortunately it became worse after Cloud and Bayo got released but Mewtwo was and still is a really good and viable character. Ultimate: Had amazing potential at first but then the tail hurtbox came back...Mewtwo was then widely considered a low tier/low mid tier character afterwards. Mewtwo has since then got some decent buffs from 3.0/8.0 updates and Mewtwo could potentially be on the climb of becoming an amazing character again. Biased opinion: I myself am a Mewtwo main and I have mained Mewtwo in every game it appears in (yes, Mewtwo was my main in Melee as well). I personally think people severely under rate Mewtwo in both Melee and Ultimate but I'll just be talking about Ultimate Mewtwo for now. Mewtwo has got amazing combos and it's really good at edge guarding as well, unfortunately the tail is a problem but I feel people who don't play Mewtwo severely over rate how bad the tail is. The tail isn't as bad as you think. The tail is currently not as bad as Melee or pre-buffed Ultimate Mewtwo in my honest opinion. The buff to his grab combos are really good, shadow ball is now a pretty good projectile (it was always a good projectile but now it's even better), all of Mewtwo's arieals are really good, confusion is a decent reflector and combo tool, Mewtwo's smash attacks are very powerful, its recovery is extremely good and is a useful movement option, and disable is actually not that bad of a move if you can properly land it. Mewtwo's weaknesses are its tail, lack of options to get out of the air, and lightweight. Mewtwo's strengths in my opinion are too great to be a low tier/low mid tier so I would go as far as to say that Mewtwo is a top mid tier character or a bottom high tier character (I personally lean more towards Mewtwo being a bottom high tier character). This is just my opinion tho so I'm obviously gonna get a lot of people to disagree with me but that's fine. We all play our own characters in this game, mine just so happens to be Mewtwo

Mewtwo is one of those characters with a great kit, but he has a single flaw that is abused to the MAX and that is THE TAIL!! He is automatically high tier if the tail hurtbox didn't exist

Mewtwo also had his Nair completely gutted. Used to have 9 hits and almost no endlag in Smash 4. Now it's 6 hits and doesn't combo into anything

The tail isn't Mewtwo's only problem in Ultimate, it's his disadvantage in general... His busted airdodge was his only saving grace in S4, now he's stuck with absolutely 0 option to get out, his double jump is way too slow and won't get you out of any combo, combine that with no really quick move to use as a combo breaker & his huge hurtbox and it's just painful. His shield is also very easy to pressure as he doesn't have any good OOS option (shieldgrab isn't good anymore, his fastest options are Nair & Usmash but they whiff all the time and aren't even that fast) Getting out of the ledge is also a huge struggle, although he has some mixups they're gimmicks that are countered by the same options most of the time, and his ledge roll is atrocious because of the tail staying behind for a long time. A lot of Ultimate characters can abuse these flaws very well, and the game being more about mashing into your opponent's face instead of a slow/methodical neutral hurts Mewtwo a lot. On top of that, most of the moves that made him really good in s4 (fair, nair, dtilt) were nerfed, so even his combo game/advantage state, while still very good (especially with edgeguarding being more important in Ultimate) isn't what it once was.

One of my favorite Smash characters and Pokemon. Love Mewtwo.

There is an easy fix for Mewtwo and I never understood why it doesn't get done: Keep the big hurt box on the tail, but remove it when he is doing tilts and aerials. There... No trades any more. Fixed.

The only tail fix I can think of is giving the tail heavy armor, making the hurtbox smaller, or changing the animations for the tail.

As for the Tail Hurtbox: My first thought honestly, would be to give it invulnerability frames *when you attack.* Seeing as Mewtwo likes to quote "Whip it, whip it good". Balance? Keep the hurtbox *when idle or not attacking.* Either that or thinnen the hurt box itself so you have to be pretty much up in its grille to hit it. Leaving opponents vulnerable to baits into grabs or disable.

DK ? I want to see you speak about Green Ranger, the guy clearly deserves it

If you're going to censor the smash 4 players for "you-know-what" you should also censor overtriforce, as he's also banned from the scene.

Honestly I am still a massive mewtwo fan, and this evolution is depressing. I always feel so sad when I see every other pokemon go over him in player base. Someday he will hopefully rise to his potential, but it wont happen if people never pick him up.

Instead of trying to fix Mewtwo's tail hitbox, Sakurai should just remove it entirely

Mewtwo is canonically heavy right?

Put invincibility frames on or remove specifically the last hurtbox of his tail when he is using moves. That’d be easy enough I think

i just picked him up as a main and yeah the tail hitbox being reduced would solve a lot of the characters problems IMO. hes fun has some cool moves and has some interesting combos. That damn tail though makes him really tough to handle with hes in disadvantage

Unpopular opinion: Yes the tail hurtbox is annoying, but I’ve honestly gotten used to it by now as the only times it’s ever really a problem for me anymore are when I’m either dashing away or using Utilt at the wrong time. All of Mewtwo’s other tail attacks work very well for me. Especially after 8.0.0. Mewtwo isn’t supposed to be a swordie, but rather a character who leads with Shadow Ball and condition your opponent to make a mistake. It’s a move that lacks any hurtbox and has a ton of versatility. You save the tail for when you find an opening for a combo

I'm glad you mentioned that most people don't understand just how bad M2's tail hurtbox is. So many people dismiss it as not a big issue when it really is. It affects everything about the character. So many people say he's underrated but he's got no results despite some very talented players attempting to play him.

yes making the tail hurtbox like s4 would def help a ton but i think making him a bit heavier and or help him teleport cancel more reliably would help more! escaping disadvantage state is more important than to not get hit in specific moments. Mew2 dmg output is insane, and when optimized, he's scary, i secondary him with my main Pika to cover pikas only obscure and bad mu like GnW or Ness, and characters like Pacman.

Mewtwo did have a tail hurtbox adjustment

Mewtwo just needs a few more changes and i think we could have a solid top tier in mewtwo

Pikachu weight in pokemon: 6kg. Weight in SmashU: 79 Squirtle weight in pokemon: 9kg. Weight in SSBU: 75 Greninja weight in pokemon: 40kg Weight in SSBU: 88. Okey, that is strange, but no matter Ivysaur weight in pokemon: 13kg Weight in SSBU: 96. What? Incineroar weight in pokemon: 83kg Weight in SSBU: 116 Alright, chonky boi, seems right he is tied with Charizard at 90kg for 6th heaviest in the game Mewtwo, the original endboss, arguably the best pokemon in the entire series history, weighs in at a MASSIVE 122kg. And where does SSBU rank his weight? 79 THE SAME AS FUCKING PIKACHU. #MakeMewtwoAHeavy

Yeeah! Finally my main. :D Mewtwo is certainly the most frustrating character to play because he always gives you the feeling of playing a high tier which can't be high tier just because of this fricking tail hurtbox!!! The reason why many players just give up on him because he isn't rewarding despite having many good tools. He did receive a weight buff actually and he is now as heavy as Pikachu. lol

“Smash 4 was Mewtwo’s best game” yes... if you’re not considering PM, especially the old 3.0 version;)

As someone who plays a lot of mewtwo i feel like his tail hurtbox isn't that big of a problem, it's huge, but you always know its there and can manuveur around it. Having his grab fixed would be way more important to me, he already has pretty nice throws, but the grab hitbox is inside his body and barely reaches his elbow, it's a joke :/

You know Which video was I watching when I got the notification? How GOOD was Mewtwo ACTUALLY, that's the most psychich type thing ever

Mewtwo main. The fact that this video is one of the first of them, before even the 64 cast was finished, makes me a happy Trainer.

I feel like in these you should start talking about PM if it's notable for the character like mewtwo

Only way you get lucky to unlock Mewtwo is to unlock him during a mission of a l Foe has appeared

That’s sad 😢 he should be the master player character

The problem with balancing Mewtwo is that the status of his tail hurtbox makes or breaks the character, leaving very little even ground. Give him a tail hurtbox? He gets knocked around like a bitch from the slightest clip from the smallest of attacks. Strip the tail hurtbox altogether? Mewtwo basically has a sword now, which makes no sense considering the tail is a part of his body and thus should be tangable. You COULD remove the tail hurtbox and have him not use his tail as an attack to compensate, but that would be poor character design since the tail is one of Mewtwo's defining characteristics and not having him use it as an attack would feel wrong. And you also COULD strip the tail hurtbox up to a certain point, then leave the rest, to try and have a nice balance, but I'm sure that would garner complaints from players about "hitbox dissonance" or what-have-you. Mewtwo's character design as a whole is so polarising that I find it difficult to imagine a perfect world where he was good, but balanced. He's either been top tier or low tier, and it all comes down to the tail.

That damn tail hurtbox gotta be the only thimg keeping him from top tier

Give him his djc aerials in melee back and he would be insane. You know how absurd his djc fair would be in neutral in ultimate? That would compensate for the tail.

The meta knight king himself

Horray!! Mewtwo!!

Mewtwo main here, yeah he's not the best in ultimate, but damned it's good to win with ! When you win, you earned it, well and clean.

I wish y'all would cover PM/P+ as well!

Zenkai is one of the few Mewtwo mains I watch that makes Mewtwo look op.

As Palu, I almost JV4'd my one friend who was playing as Mewtwo. Like two full stocks no damage taken, maybe a little chip on the third before getting hit, and I closed it out with a single-digits 3-stock. This was in Ultimate, by the way.

Mewtwo is my secondary he's just so much fun!! I love him

I’m here after final patch and he got only a couple of small buffs, decent ones I guess but doesn’t solve his problems in the slightest

BONK gonna tell us about chungus

Could you do the competitive history of the better round pink thing Jigglypuff next!!

I main Mewtwo in Ultimate and looking at Smash 4 Mewtwo made me feel like im playing a shell of a character and not the character itself

Mewtwo is still fun as a pocket but yeah his tail gets in the way much like ridley's wings do

I feel that Mewtwo would be better if its tail was intangible on all the moves that use it

Do History of Peach!

I main mewtwo and have him in elite smash but if you use him in tournament pick up a secondary, some matchups aren’t even funny on how much i lose lol

Me: You guys should do the competitive history of Jigglypuff. Everyone: NO GOD PLEASE NO!

Okay but I’m shook I’ve never seen this dudes face but I’ve listened to his voice for hours it’s so weird🤣🤣

Him the legendary of legendary mewtwo The legendary of space and time over here

Up next, I wanna see jigglypuff’s competitive history. That will be a fun vid.

My top 15 fighters in smash are bowser, captain falcon, dark Samus, pit, bayonetta, young link, ryu, sonic ,pacman, meta knight, banjo Kazooie, cloud, sepheroth, mewtwo, and sora

Mewtwo is still one of my secondary mains

Pm mewtwo was nutty

@BonkMK is elite.

Many people have point this out already. But Mew2 is held by his major nair revant in ult. Upsmash lacks an scoop hitbox and the slow double. Altho double jump allows mew2 to chase his opponent to hell and back off stage. Personally i feel they will keep buffong mew2 as the dlc comes out. Lets be positive. Regardless i love playing as him Regardless.

Mew Two's air game is still oppressive His tail hitbox got reduced a few patches ago Downtilt uptilt nuteral air Uptilt uptilt up air Down tilt shorthop shadowclaw

They did not change the intro but mewtwo is not getting up aired by cloud so I guess they changed the intro lol probably for this one video.

I like the fact that according to Google, Mewtwo weighs more than Bowser, It proves that the Smash Universe is truly a warped reality,

It is kinda weird that ProGuides censored Ally but they didn't censored Overtriforce...

This is my favourite legendary

Y’all gotta do Yoshi

Competitive history of ice climbers!!!

He will always be the strongest Pokemon in my hearts...

MY SECOND FAVOURITE POKEMON

As a corrin main i felt bad that for 2 tables corrin was always on the bottom

Do Yoshi next

I never had Mewtwo ever sadly I don’t think I am lucky

I main mewtwo and I think the buffs are significant enough to take mewtwo to high mid

Smash really did do my boy dirty, I'm not even mad about the tail hurtbox. I just want to know why'd they removed the Shadowball damage while charging it. It's not like it's a copy of a certain move, if anything that move is a copy of Shadowball since Mewtwo did it first.

BOWSER COMPETITIVE HISTORY PLEASE

I'll happily admit Pro Gaming and Esports isn't for me: *However* with the respect I have for the dedication needed. I'll also happily admit if I had to go pro with a character. *ITS GOTTA BE MEWTWO!*

if they got rid of that big hecking tail hurtbox, and make mewtwo more heavy, mewtwo would be better. i think mewtwo is around mid tier in ultimate, but could be high tier with a few buffs

They should just give invincibility on the tail on all moves that use it

> crop out Ally’s video in order to hide his name in the video > his name shows up with the player tag anyway

What are these psychic shenanigans in melee you speak of? Where you can pull people thru the stage?! (Its been so long I forget his melee moveset) And why is MewtwoKing named MewtwoKing?! 😂😂😂 I love SSBU MEWTWO!!! I wanna know! I've a pocket Alien-Cat-Monster. 😎

Shoutout to Taj who is most notable to me for wearing suits to tournaments and absolutely DESTROYING spacies.

love videos

Ness next pls

Mewtwo is one of my strongest characters in flow state but when im victim to slower response i will lose eh.

UNFORTUNATELY Mewtwo is not top tier. Thats because this isn't a False Swipe Video, the meta is way more kind to him there.

Why is melee mewtwo in the thumbnail twice

Can you guys do pit or no

Do ness next plz

Leffen put melee m2 in mid tier 😱

I’m a Mewtwo main and yeah, his tail is an issue but not his biggest issue. His biggest problem is that in terms of attack speed he’s really slow. I like him because, c’mon he’s Mewtwo, His dash/run/air speed I can deal with- but with a bait and punish style game play he lacks fast enough tools to deal with opponents.

Do DK next.

Such a shame to have such a cool character so incredibly frustrating to play. No other character is even in the same ball park when comparing the combination of incredibly light and incredibly easy to hit. What makes it more frustrating is how simple the problem is to fix. It’s upsetting that Nintendo won’t be releasing any more patches and this glaring issue wasn’t addressed. It sucks because Ultimate overall is a fairly well balanced game (excluding some dlc characters) and they left this obvious bit of unbalance in even after years when they could’ve done something about.

Can we have competitive history of link please

Can anyone tell me about pm mewtwo because I heard he was broken

Roy next?

Best pokemon 🔥

Just make his tail a disjoint.

tbh with just a few minor hitbox and frame data adjustments and a buff to his weight, he'd be really good but not broken in Smash Ultimate and still be sick as hell to watch and play. as is, it's really fuckin underwhelming and just looks wrong and off to see Mewtwo, the original OP Legendary Pokemon, die to an Ike dash attack at 70%, or to die to like, idk, Cloud nair or something.

I main mewtwo, tail hurtbox hurts my soul

Do lucario please

I think it was only a few weeks ago I was bored with my mains and decided to pick up Mewtwo. Super fun character, flashy af, and great mobility.... but goddamn the mf TAIL..... It's sad because Mewtwo has everything I want in a character, but that damn tail. :(