The Complete Guide to Card Draw | The Command Zone 343 | Magic: The Gathering Commander EDH

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Show Notes:
We're talking about our favorite thing: card draw!! It may seem like a simple topic but there is a surprising amount of complexity. Card draw comes in many many forms. Understanding the differences between each one, and what their strengths and weakness are, will guarantee that you out-value your opponents.
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@commandcast 3 жыл бұрын

Apologies for the small mistake where we're out of synch for about 30 seconds at the 9 minute mark. I had to make a last minute change and just missed that in my final QC of the edit. Hopefully it doesn't detract from the episode too much. -JLK

@CrixOMix 3 жыл бұрын

If this is the worst thing that happens in a two hour long video, you've done a great job :) Thanks for the great editing! Small mistakes happen to everyone, don't worry about it!

@Vesturiate 3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely unwatchable and unforgivable! Consider me detracted

@shannongill189 3 жыл бұрын

You should record an entire episode type out transcripts then swap dialog then put it to video to really make everyone freak out. Gene Franklin beat me to the idea.

@Blaze2020v 3 жыл бұрын

at first i was like "Wow Jimmy sounds like Josh!" lol.

@buddatello 3 жыл бұрын

Been rewatching godzilla recently didnt even notice.

@fosterark 3 жыл бұрын

I see JLK has survived one more episode without being replaced by Ashlynn and a bottle of Sriracha! Well done, Josh!

@nicholasstavash7880 3 жыл бұрын

Love this

@aleksandarabrams431 3 жыл бұрын

HAHAHAHAHAHA that was a great skit by the professor.

@aidanschauer1581 3 жыл бұрын

Hahahahahaha

@12kidder1 3 жыл бұрын

Any day, the Commander Intelligence Agency will take JLK for a trip...

@_somerandomguyontheinternet_ 3 жыл бұрын

Well, his secret isn’t out yet, so...

@TylerHyperFace 3 жыл бұрын

"When we draw opening hands, I would much rather see a card draw spell than a ramp spell" -Jimmy "mana-screwed" Wong ;)

@Nailgraizer 3 жыл бұрын

But they right though...

@ironmalachi 3 жыл бұрын

Honestly I second that idea. I typically play token, tribal, or Aristocrats decks where card advantage/draw tends to be far better than mana ramp. Only when I play higher cmc stuff do I favor ramp more

@100nodog 3 жыл бұрын

Green player here. Hydra deck. Kbai

@elloneng7965 3 жыл бұрын

That's so Wong

@VerrouSuo 3 жыл бұрын

I’LL ACTIVATE MY POT OF GREED, WHICH ALLOWS ME TO DRAW TWO CARDS FROM MY DECK! wait, wrong game.

@Dartowl1 3 жыл бұрын

What does pot of greed do?

@moxopal675 3 жыл бұрын

divination*

@danielvankirk3139 3 жыл бұрын

It is what it do yugi

@masonfranck2524 3 жыл бұрын

@@Dartowl1 Draw two cards. Which is what it do.

@zackschilling4376 3 жыл бұрын

B: you pay 2 life and draw 1 card...but thats just Greed oh they mentioned it, but didnt use the good artwork

@CallMeAirChaps 3 жыл бұрын

Another thing to note about repeatable vs burst draw, if you have a card that draws you one extra card per turn, people don't always care or notice. If you draw 7 cards in one turn, it shifts the attention to you and paints a target on your back for the other players

@TheMystcast 3 жыл бұрын

Which is weird in the game. Sometimes I don't even draw good stuff. Also people take notice of Rhystic study because they are constantly reminded about it. If you are drawing off of restricted things like Beast Whisperer, Neyith, Underworld Connections. Then it's much harder to care about it. They take away or require a thing to do to get that card draw

@WaveyZRL 3 жыл бұрын

Slight audio/video error at 9:01 to 9:28 guys, just wanted to let you know, amazing episode so far though!

@goddamnit7230 3 жыл бұрын

Lol, I usually just listen to them but the one time I flip back to watch them, I was absolutely confused when I saw Jimmy speaking with Josh's voice.

@isaacsylee 3 жыл бұрын

Okay, I was so confused. I thought my computer / internet was screwed up or that I wasn't processing what I was seeing properly.

@andrewsparkes8829 3 жыл бұрын

I think what happened was instead of simply overlaying the cards over the whole video (audio included), they somehow slotted the cards between two video parts and moved the previous video part over, if that makes sense? Basically you visually see them say what they were just saying audibly when they were previously talking over the cards.

@WaveyZRL 3 жыл бұрын

@@goddamnit7230 lol!

@WaveyZRL 3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewsparkes8829 I think they just put in the wrong clip and it slipped past QC

@lawmobilegaming4896 3 жыл бұрын

Magic is such a great game for developing basic logical reasoning skills. Love it.

@Quroe_ 3 жыл бұрын

You know, that 8 mana draw 2 could be a funny card. "Common Sense" 8 generic mana Instant - Draw 2 cards Flavor text: You'd be surprised by how hard it is to use.

@chasebogart3715 3 жыл бұрын

It would need to be mythic too

@user-po6kl5sz8r 3 жыл бұрын

Finally, good white card draw

@psifinch8434 3 жыл бұрын

Thaats hilarious 😂

@bloodfest8510 3 жыл бұрын

Cheat code 8 generic mana Put the top two cards of your deck onto the battlefield

@stevenrasche3159 3 жыл бұрын

It'd fit fairly well into an Un-set, too

@DAsrada 3 жыл бұрын

I'll never forget looking through my collection and randomly finding 2 or 3 Rhystic Studies laying around.

@HexproofAnarchist 3 жыл бұрын

I recently found 5 mystic rhemoras I forgot I had lol.

@DAsrada 3 жыл бұрын

@@HexproofAnarchist another thing I was surprised to find was a Privileged Position sitting around in the depths of my collection. Barely remembered having that one!

@HexproofAnarchist 3 жыл бұрын

@@DAsrada Very nice!

@johnbuscher 3 жыл бұрын

Not quite the same, but I discovered I had a Venser planeswalker, a Purphoros, God of the Forge, and a few others that added up pretty quickly. Was really nice since I thought I needed to order at least those two for some decks, haha.

@benjaminarmstrong9627 3 жыл бұрын

I would to see an episode like this on spot removal and board wipes, it is always interesting to see what others use for removal and board wipes.

@TheMystcast 3 жыл бұрын

Especially for board wipes

@graysonchristian2668 3 жыл бұрын

I feel like board wipes are only good against token/aggro decks. I find single target removal is the best way to go for me

@TheMystcast 3 жыл бұрын

@@graysonchristian2668 well thats like 1v1 thinking. In multiplayer using a wrath of God to kill 5 creatures from everyone is a good rate.

@hailabaddon1098 3 жыл бұрын

Maelstrom pulse is great especially against token decks

@tornad8063 2 жыл бұрын

I decided to limit board wipes as i found out, that most often i would end up more fucked uo than rest. I am looking for good boros-able asimetrical board whipes

@chef2chiefchef2chief61 3 жыл бұрын

"Whenever" is the most important word in commander. How frequently you meet the "whenever" requirements is a super simple baseline for building engines for ramp and draw. Maybe that is an oversimplification.

@metalvisionsongcontest7055 3 жыл бұрын

*Shakira has entered the chat*

@Doofindork 3 жыл бұрын

This is why Lurking Predators is all kinds of stupidly powerful. I have won so many games because people just keep casting things, digging their own graves.

@DahVoozel 3 жыл бұрын

Don't for get "For each" clauses, not to be confused with "Whenever one or more" clauses.

@ryantoth4020 3 жыл бұрын

DahVoozel 100% agree. Often times the difference gets overlooked which can for some awkward moments. Knowing the circumstances that make one better than the other is really important when considering those types of cards.

@chef2chiefchef2chief61 3 жыл бұрын

@@DahVoozel thx, for each is also very important. I think that the phrase for each is implied in some cards. I'll have to check my decks for grammar now

@WaveyZRL 3 жыл бұрын

This video would've been perfect even if it was just intro -"'Rhystic Study" - outro

@isaaktastet6324 2 жыл бұрын

Finally game knights wouldn’t have all episodes an hour long

@SWAT6809 3 жыл бұрын

4:06 to save yourself 4 minutes of precious time

@PrimeEnLightenedShadow 3 жыл бұрын

These comments never get enough love.

@NT-ys3oh 3 жыл бұрын

Doing gods work 🙏

@robertsiemon410 3 жыл бұрын

God i know right. 4 minutes of wasted breath, and time.

@shavedata5436 3 жыл бұрын

bless up 🙏

@classymofo1059 3 жыл бұрын

I think this should've just been a video on card advantage, not card draw. Card draw is....drawing cards. Playing cards from your library isn't card draw. It's card advantage. Brainstorm and faithless looting is card draw, but doesn't provide card advantage ,by itself. Can trips are card draw that don't inherently give you card advantage, but with synergy, such as using a can trip creature for value later, can become card advantage. Tutors are card selection, some are can trips, some are card disadvantage, some advantage, none are card draw. Every deck doesn't need card draw at all. Every deck needs card advantage. Most draw cards to gain this advantage. Some play cards from the top of their library or their opponents library. Some (white) don't get any for some reason.

@Narabedla4 3 жыл бұрын

highly agree with this assessment, as a lot of the problems expressing their thoughts came from not calling "drawing cards" card draw, because they often equated card advantage to card draw

@Orkimtor 3 жыл бұрын

I think one of the problems here is that there is this category called "card draw" that many commander players refer to. It probably should be renamed to card advantage or something, but since the category is called like that I think they use it that way in the episode as well.

@gothic22d 3 жыл бұрын

They are referring to card draw in the deck building rubric of 10 ramp and 10 card draw spells. Many of the cards you use to meet this condition when deck building are actually card advantage cards.

@GuileMcFernis 3 жыл бұрын

But the problem is their terminology. They seem to be stubbornly holding to the term "Card Draw" as though it is some sacred phrase or money-making trade mark. Proper terminology: Gainful Card Draw, Net Card Draw, Positive Card Draw... I concur, anything that puts stuff from your library onto the battlefield is NOT draw. It is not a card in your hand, it is not an "option" you are holding. You simply cheated mana cost. During Ice Age block, we would put Cantrips in a 48 to 52 card deck that just needed filler, because they are CARD DRAW. They exist simply to get me through my deck, to DRAW MORE CARDS, than I would have with my single turn draw. Additionally, any Cantrip has an effect, then draw a card. That is card gain. Without the Cantrip, I would be down a card if I didn't have the free draw.

@classymofo1059 3 жыл бұрын

@@GuileMcFernis I think card draw is as simple as "Does Thought Reflection draw me more cards with it?" If the answer is yes it is card draw. If no then it isn't. Easy.

@sentientpaperclip874 3 жыл бұрын

Glad to see I was raised right...i knew the song during the first bit even though it was well before my time. Thanks ma.

@WaveyZRL 3 жыл бұрын

Who would've thought that Josh Lee Kwai liked to draw cards..... such a surprise 😂😂😂

@uphillwalrus5164 3 жыл бұрын

Peer into the abyss is being slept on

@chachi_arcola 3 жыл бұрын

Not in cEDH. It's the real deal

@Xdylan3131 3 жыл бұрын

It's the seven Mana that's the hard part to get around making it a dead card for a serious portion of the game and even when you do cast it, unless you've ramped like crazy or set off an infinite combo you can't really do anything else for the turn. I honestly prefer it as a kill card in a nekusar and co deck

@uphillwalrus5164 3 жыл бұрын

@@chachi_arcola dimir cedh decks like circu and kels are finding use for it

@BackyardRonin 3 жыл бұрын

Dylan LeSuer assuming you’ve hit all your land drops and they are not tapped lands: Turn 5: rain in filth to second sunrise into peer, lotus petal to dark ritual to skirge familiar (assuming you’ve peered into these cards). Sacrifice hand into exsanguinate? Just an example

@Xdylan3131 3 жыл бұрын

@@BackyardRonin you have to have A LOT go right in format where the point is for games to not be consistent though...

@shawndiaz7528 3 жыл бұрын

I'd recommend for these conversations we all adopt the term raw card advantage (meaning an increase in the number of cards in your hand).

@shawndiaz7528 3 жыл бұрын

@@treycuret 'Raw card advantage' has a more narrow definition than 'card advantage.' That's exactly the reason I'm recommending we adopt it. Reading comprehension is important.

@mmatgat 3 жыл бұрын

I'm just gonna leave this here: Spice 8 Rack needs to be on the next (or after this one) Game Knights! He was just on Tolarian college and he's a wonderful magic creator!

@kyle1078 3 жыл бұрын

Watching him play in Merchant's DnD campaign is hilarious. He is a funny guy.

@bluezamx814 3 жыл бұрын

Another great blue budget burst card draw spell is Into the Story. For 5UU you draw 4 cards at instant speed, but it costs 3 less if an opponent has 7 or more cards in their graveyard (which isn't uncommon)

@rosspenney5158 3 жыл бұрын

You should be playing Mind's Eye in green decks; it rewards having oodles of mana.

@breathofire1449 5 күн бұрын

For those or haven't seen this yet or people like myself that are circling back to this episode, I wanted to rattle off some good cards that have been printed since this episode was published according to how they were categorized in the episode. Repeatable: [Lolth, Spider Queen], Dawn of a New Age, The One Ring Burst: Insatiable avarice (doubles as a tutor), Stinging Study (better for high MV commanders) Impulse draw: Jeska's Will (also could give you the mana to play the cards) Top deck plays: The Reality Chip Conditional (enchantress) - [Sythis, Harvest's Hand] Conditional (attack) - Minas Tirith Conditional (combat dmg) - Battle Angels of Tyr (also gives treasures) Conditional (sacrifice) - Tarrian's Journal Conditional (opponent's choice) - Esper Sentinel

@samfelice7562 3 жыл бұрын

This is great you guys not talking only about stroke of genius, rhystic study, pyrexian arena etc.

@m.mulder8864 3 жыл бұрын

Josh: "There's a bunch that care about life gain. Well of lost Dreams and Dawn of Hope..." Please Josh, tell me more of this "bunch." I could really use those cards.

@johnbuscher 3 жыл бұрын

If you're in Esper, Oloro Ageless Acetic and Drogskol Reaver can get you cards when you gain life.

@graysonchristian2668 3 жыл бұрын

I think my favorite Card Kingdom story is the time I ordered something from them on a Wednesday or got the standard free shipping. I got the cards on Friday. I live in NY. That is all I have to say on Card Kingdoms shipping abokity

@golgariguy 3 жыл бұрын

Regarding the definition, I think it's quite simple: "card draw" is when the card says "draw a card" or "draw X cards". What we look for when building a deck is sources of card advantage, not necessarily card draw. By sources of card advantage I mean spells that potentially leave you up one card or more after they're cast. It may be immediately after they're cast, like divination, or it may be later, like guardian project for example.

@ic0ns12345 3 жыл бұрын

this

@alaude5397 3 жыл бұрын

But how do the colors for card advantage get ranked, Blue is always number 1 for this ranking, but what comes second between green, black, and red. Let alone color combinations to rank

@origaming_plays573 3 жыл бұрын

But then there are cards that say for example "look at the top 4 cards of your library, put 2 of them in your hand and the rest at the top or bottom of your library in any order". It doesn't say draw, but it put two cards in your hand that were not there before, effectively drawing you these cards. MTG wording is a little complicated sometimes :)

@ic0ns12345 3 жыл бұрын

@@origaming_plays573 yes, you get a card advantage of two

@ic0ns12345 3 жыл бұрын

Actually its just 1 ^.^

@xTobsecretx 3 жыл бұрын

Guardian project is crazy card draw because it rewards you for doing something you already want to do which is impacting the board.

@mtw31993 3 жыл бұрын

Ohran Frostfang might be one of my favorite conditional draw sources. It synergizes extremely well with trample creatures which I play a lot.

@juliosamaniego2206 3 жыл бұрын

Incredible video - thank you to everyone in the team! I agree that card draw is such a broad term and is something that must be thought through when constructing your commander deck.

@chrispalmer2353 3 жыл бұрын

I think this video is brilliant, very thought provoking, I would argue then based on your points that any ramp spell that grabs more than 1 land is card draw. But also cards Into play from your library are card advantage not draw, it removes a lot of planning or the ability to use a spell as an answer. You play Rashmi and the card you reveal is an abzan charm. You can either draw the card or kill a creature now, or put into your hand but it becomes known information by the table altering the flow of the game.

@jadewheatley2559 3 жыл бұрын

Bident of Thassa is criminally underrated for card draw. Amazing for control decks with evasive creatures, or aggro decks with blue. Also great in artifact or enchantment decks.

@orgazmo686971 3 жыл бұрын

Looking forward to this - I just did a 10 part series on card draw the other month.

@andrewp979 3 жыл бұрын

I think the simplest way to talk about this topic is to break the category into 2 sub catagories: Cards that mainly aim to increase my total cards / card resources. Cards that mainly aim to increase card quality. Tutors and cantrips fit into group 2. Treasure cruise and future sight fit into group 1. I find this cuts down to the actual point of the topic, and makes evaluating a card a little easier.

@trialbyicecream 3 жыл бұрын

I just watched the ramp guide earlier today. What good timing!

@mthlay15 3 жыл бұрын

Great show. It's great motivation to build a better deck. I stalled out on my current builds that I've been using while playing virtual paper edh with tge social distancing recommendations. My next build will be Chulane. I haven't touched that card since tge brawl precon came out.

@grayrook8637 3 жыл бұрын

One of my favorite burst black draw cards is read the bones. A little more expensive but the scry 2 before you draw give u the best of your top four which I add up to about drawing 2.5-3 cards, good rate.

@droggelbecher874 3 жыл бұрын

Great episode! I like Abundance and Rowen as card draw/card selection options in mono green decks. Abundance doesn't draw you an additional card, but it allows you to skip lands when you already have enough. Rowen on the other hand allows you to draw an additional card when your first draw is a land. This card is really helpful in the late-game when you want to avoid top-decking lands.

@kevinbailie6766 3 жыл бұрын

Paint It Black is my favorite song! I loved this episode.

@HaydenLucke 3 жыл бұрын

I like group hug effects but I use Font of Mythos and Howling mine in my Silas Renn Artifact deck because they also add to my Affinity on the table.

@RobertPaulson44 3 жыл бұрын

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@RobertPaulson44 3 жыл бұрын

And I've been putting my cards in ultra pro far before I even knew mtg podcasts existed, so that's another point in your corner

@_somerandomguyontheinternet_ 3 жыл бұрын

Card draw is love. Card draw is life. TREMBLE BEFORE THE MIGHT OF BLUE!!!

@robbiestrong-morse730 3 жыл бұрын

9:01 obviously jimmy is doing sign language guys. But I do love how it looks like josh looks at jimmy a little confused but then looks back without caring.

@psy_p 3 жыл бұрын

In past episodes you had a clear and accurate distinction between card draw and card advantage. In this episode however, you seem to have mixed both, separated in a different way and then let it mix again in some parts creating inconsistencies. The problem with that is card draw is something that exists in the game. It is a term written in the cards and a game action that is often mechanically explored. Explaining the accurate distinction and teaching players how to handle them is the better route.

@TnumsProd 3 жыл бұрын

Recently changed leadership of my Nekusar deck to Ludevic&Vial Smasher and I have zero regrets.

@joshuarush5762 3 жыл бұрын

Sang along then had Alexa play at max volume...rockin out with my 2year old...thanks guys

@damens-xn9pu 3 жыл бұрын

Tireless Tracker? Golos? I hope to see something similar for ramp, advantages of cards disadvantages as well as synergies. To complement different aspects of deckbuilding

@TeaHauss 3 жыл бұрын

Out of all the decks I have, I truly count it as card draw if it hits three criteria 1) it generates +2 card advantage over the course of the game 2) Is a maximum 2 mana per card 3) Can get, but not restricted to, lands Other Thoughts The Scry/Surveil 2 = draw 1 maxim applies. Ex. Notion Rain; Read the Bones Permanents with "draw 1 when" effects are judged off 1 turn cycle of survival. If the ceiling is worth the floor, then it counts. Ex. Phyrexian Arena barely passes (usually a low priority target) Synergy/Reusability is taken into account: Goblin Welder + Ichor Wellspring; Kess, Dissident Mage + Abzan Charm [5-color spell-slinger deck] Cycling/Rummaging/Looting/Cantrips could be card draw if the deck can capitalize on the synergy. Anything that cheats mana cost is its own category, as it's usually both ramp and draw. Ex. Sunbird's Invocation

@threetreesdesign 3 жыл бұрын

I know that according to what you were saying about Howling Mine this wouldn't be high on the list but he goes into every one of my decks that have blue. Kami of the Cresent Moon. I also have a tattoo of him on my shoulder.

@poofypeanut0221 3 жыл бұрын

I feel like we should use a different term from now on like “Card Velocity” when talking about the Divination example where the thoughts of card advantage and card draw are combined. Because card draw should mean literally just that, whether it’s from looting, cycling, etc. to make things simplistic to new players. If a card went from your library into your hand, you Drew that card. Simultaneously I think new players should learn right away that card advantage is a lot broader than increasing your hand size and applied to removal, opponents hand size etc. and that in commander have big 3 opponents impacts that more.

@tortle1055 3 жыл бұрын

I think you might be on to something. Maybe, “card tempo” would be a bit more familiar of a term for people to grasp

@Meldon44 3 жыл бұрын

Ah, but even with that clarification we have to be careful. Many effects instruct you to "put" a card or cards from your library into your hand, which to a new player seems synonymous with card draw, but since it didn't use the term "draw", it's categorically not card draw, and potentially not even card advantage. Often it's just card selection.

@poofypeanut0221 3 жыл бұрын

Well I guess to put it in even SIMPLER terms if the card says literally “draw a card, or X amount of cards” that’s card draw. Again though, I think we should familiarize a middle ground term for the meanings of card draw and card advantage together (which is usually what’s reference when referring to your “10 card draw spells” when starting a new beck build as your foundation)

@alexdobbins950 3 жыл бұрын

I think Hermit Druid definitely counts as card draw. It helps you find a basic land with each activation and the milled cards are a huge bonus if you can utilize them. Hermit Druid always puts in work in my Muldrotha deck.

@BrianMKE 3 жыл бұрын

This falls into a similar category to Plea for Guidance, but I really like Shared Summons in my creature decks and I count it as card draw. It helps that it is a mana cheaper and instant speed so I can hold up interaction and if I don't need to act I can end step tutor/draw

@JosephLachh 10 күн бұрын

Those card draw from graveyard cards will be amazing for my graveyard deck because when I discard down to seven I can put my creatures into the grave and keep the spells :) (wildest dreams and death denied)

@WolfmanXD Жыл бұрын

Possibly one of my favorite cards in the game, because I'm a massive Timmy, is primal surge. I once built a 60 card deck where primal surge was the only non permanent in the deck, and so I could basically just put as much of my deck into play as I want.

@williamwalton9154 3 жыл бұрын

A fine card to put on the front. Currently sitting in my cart to buy for a mono white commander deck.

@mrstizzle9049 3 жыл бұрын

I consider card draw to be like ramp, if I have access to more cards than just one draw per turn, then it's card draw.

@oruchimaru58 3 жыл бұрын

Did you talk about Tatyova? Nissa, vital force? Those cards are insane card draw!

@BDi321 Жыл бұрын

I do put tutors into card draw and most of my graveyard recursion too because card draw is all about having what you need when you need it. For instance, the number of cards in your hand doesn't normally matter (unless you run Psycosis Crawler), but having a lot of cards in hand tends to increase the possibility that you have the right card at the right time. Sometimes you need an answer, sometimes you need a threat. A tutor guarantees that you have the right card at the right time without having to go through 45 other cards to get to that point.

@marcusallen788 Жыл бұрын

Oooooo 😯 Tamiyo’s Journal + Academy Manufacture, is now a must have for any artifacts decks I might build 🫠

@seanedgar164 3 жыл бұрын

There's a lot of difference between card advantage, card draw and card selection. For example, I card I love is Frantic Search. It draws you deeper into your deck but provides card selection and untaps lands

@Pistolsatsean 3 жыл бұрын

man Endless Horizons would make a great set of instant speed "card draw" spells for white if you limit the number of lands that can be fetched

@cronchable 3 жыл бұрын

Two of my favourite card draw spells hands down are Escape to the Wilds and Allure of the Unkown. Escape is just such a feel good card for me, because it mitigates flooding to a certain extent and I love to play Allure in my tribal decks and use it politically. My tribal cards don't do much damage on my opponent's side of the board but can be devastating on mine.

@ruaridhusher4373 3 жыл бұрын

anyone else's audio off the video after the path\giant growth example? and there's a few frames of the multi-target removal josh lists but then it disappears immediately and we're back in synch? i've reloaded multiple times, so i assume it's just a mix up during editing?

@andrewthao4869HK 3 жыл бұрын

Definitely just an editing error. They likely just forgot to remove that footage and ended up shifting that card sequence with it.

@caralambson 3 жыл бұрын

As a mono-white player this video is a blessing

@rowrow_ 3 жыл бұрын

One thing about Sunforger being available for a card draw spell is that I use it in my Akiri, Line Slinger deck, which then can tutor up Vanish into Memory. It blinks a creature until my next upkeep, so I'll usually target Akiri who has a ton of power (and maybe do this at a board wipe moment, or on my opponent's end step). What's interesting is when Akiri returns, I only have to discard 3. So Vanish into Memory is sorta like a 4 mana greater good, but without having to re-cast my commander, and can be tutored up by Sunforger since it's white. So while sunforger isn't typically a card draw spell, it's still card advantage for a repeatable tutor, and there are actually some really decent burst draw spells you can hit in White and Red.

@sushimartyr6311 Жыл бұрын

This is a bit unrelated to Commander, but with regard to the several variants of “impulsive” card draw: Rahilda, Wanted Cutthroat from MtG Arena is probably one of my favorites (at least to play). When she does damage to an opponent, she exiles a card at random from their library (or is it a spell at random? I confess I don’t remember), and that card’s playable on any turn after you attack with a wolf or werewolf even after Rahilda dies. (I would think if she got exiled they would no longer be playable, but I’m not completely certain on that.) You can have multiple cards exiled and playable this way as well. She may not be strictly competitive, and a lot of the time you whiff and find something like a counterspell (but on the bright side, that’s one less counterspell you have to worry about, and you know your opponent may be running more), but I kind of like the conditionally enduring approach to impulsive “draw” (or theft in her case).

@clanechelon 3 жыл бұрын

I think there's a big difference between card draw and card advantage. I feel graveyard recursion is potentially card advantage depending on the current in-game situation, but it's not card draw. It might be just as good if you have an answer or wincon in your graveyard, but if you don't, card draw is definitely better. I would personally consider tutors and looting card advantage. Obviously they are not giving you an number advantage, but hopefully a quality advantage in your possible answer / wincon.

@ancientswordrage 3 жыл бұрын

Pursuit of Knowledge is a whacky white card that lets you skip three draws, then you can remove some cards and draw 7! I guess the trick would be to either be in wX and trigger your own draws, or rely on others(howling mine, temple bell etc) then boost ahead. Even more so if you have Alhammaret's Archive.

@elijahdavila3684 3 жыл бұрын

I think "Advantageous Card Draw" would be a better term for effects that leave you with more cards in your hand. Because even though a cantrip doesn't give you card advantage, it still definitely takes the top card of your deck and puts it into your hand.

@haingis 3 жыл бұрын

Agree that card draw is more important than ramp. I've lost many games to only getting ramp cards... I almost lost a game with my mono white deck to only ramping and drawing lands, luckily i managed to tax myself into victory when I finally started drawing nonland/nonramp cards

@WaveyZRL 3 жыл бұрын

Wow this episode was amazing

@chriscox6230 3 жыл бұрын

16:21 you can actually abuse Necropotance to draw you cards with Vilis Broker of Blood.

@Wadacup 10 ай бұрын

God I love Vilis

@Aldrnari956 3 жыл бұрын

Didn’t expect an early episode this week

@WHITEKNIGHT95 3 жыл бұрын

I have really like putting escape to the wilds in my decks. It exiles the top 5 but you get to play an extra land with it and just offers you more options around turn 5 to 6. I was wondering if it would of been in here

@saltylemonaid7006 3 жыл бұрын

I would have loved to see more on color pie. Like how harmonize is a hood draw spell for mono green but concentrate is not very good in mono blue.

@kinghext9357 3 жыл бұрын

Genuinely my favorite opening

@trevellution4205 3 жыл бұрын

If helping to hit land drops defines card draw, I think Crucible of Worlds is the best "card draw" spell I own.

@shamtactics4712 3 жыл бұрын

I think a revisit of the ramp episode in similar terms would be helpful. Permanent ramp, temporary ramp, burst ramp, combo ramp etc

@Smiggle0 3 жыл бұрын

Personally I think card draw synergy is the best type. For instance, I run a +1/+1 counter/proliferate deck with Atraxa. For a while the deck suffered because I was just not drawing enough cards despite all the mana I was capable of generating. So I added in cards like “Bred for the Hunt” and “Fathom Mage” suddenly I’m drawing tons more than I otherwise would have. Even with burst card draw. So I that’s my take on the best kind of card draw.

@CMDR-Cody Жыл бұрын

Great intro! Love the stones!

@mcgengar2430 3 жыл бұрын

My favorite repeatable card draw is Graveborn Muse. Its basicly phyrexian arena for one more on a 3/3 body, but instead of only 1 card every upkeep, its 1 card for each zombie you control and then you loose that much life. On its own its good like phyrexian arena because its a zombie itself, but with other zombies its just amazing, and you don't even need to be in zombie tribal. Many good zombies just are in your deck, like gray merchant, Mikaeus, Nekusar or something that makes zombie tokens like grave titan and scarab god. And if you are in zombie tribal, it is just unbeatable card advantage engine that needs to be dealt with, and you are in black so you have a lot of ways to bring it back. Overall, great card

@braddtheodd3390 3 жыл бұрын

Sunforger is a tutor, for sure. The thing with it is that you can put it into a 4/5 color deck, and it becomes a BEAST

@Squee_666_9 3 жыл бұрын

I definitely agree that tutors are usually not card draw but honestly I have no need for additional card draw if I have my winning combo as well as a protective spell and the Mana to play it. Which usually isn't much Mana at all depending on the combo. I would argue that search is much more useful but then again you do need to draw it or have it in your opening hand. I run Rakdos colors so I have access to the best search spells in the game.

@cardgameEngineer 3 жыл бұрын

I was buying some singles before I watched this episode, and when you mentioned Necropotence I felt like I had to go back and change my order until I saw the price of the thing! I’ll live without it for now I think 😅

@Kattywagon29 3 жыл бұрын

END STEP: Josh, I think it is perfectly valid to redo a day that you were on vacation. I would totally pick a vacation day because no one is expecting me to be anywhere or do anything in particular. It doesn't have to get old cuz you're not tied to that place - you could always fly somewhere else and experience something new until time ran out and you reset the day. However, in this instance, I'm not sure if you should pick Hawaii as your starting place in terms of how easy it is to travel to or from - referring to distance to other places you might like to visit.

@raimundopilotto2675 3 жыл бұрын

Regarding the discussion about wich is more important, Card Draw or Ramp, I belive that both of you forget to take in consideration the Commander currently used: while for the mayority of the commanders would be better to have more raw card draw, others gain much more with the ramp, especially those with an activated ability to "draw", like Tasigur or Thrasios. Other than that, an excellent show, guys!!!!

@thatguycam1989 3 жыл бұрын

I refer to things like scry, cycling, and even tutors as "card fixing."

@chrispy6953 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I agree. Same with surveil, using your graveyard can be advantageous because you can take from your yard. I play tasigur and I use my yard as an extension of my hand. Just putting a part of your deck face up and being able to pick from those to play... Unless someone exiles it, then I'm just sad lol. I learned in innistrad by playing zombies that the graveyard isn't a bad place for your cards to go. I look at looting as advantageous compared to most decks that might lose those cards permanently. imo surveil, looting and graveyard play is advantage depending on what deck you play.

@chrispy6953 3 жыл бұрын

Which would all fall under that card fixing, like you said.

@thatguycam1989 3 жыл бұрын

@@chrispy6953 Sure. Although, with graveyard pull, I consider it draw more often than not unless you are simply swapping cards. Ie Eternal Witness vs Regrowth. Straight to play type cards included. I'm sure you're well aware of course that draw is not always better particularly if you have the opportunity to be more versatile for less Mana.

@koelkast9 3 жыл бұрын

Tutor is like fixing and often draw in one.

@thatguycam1989 3 жыл бұрын

@@koelkast9 I only refer to it as fixing because it's 1 for 1. It's just way better than any other option.

@EdBurke37 3 жыл бұрын

Greater good is fine with smaller creatures if your'e using it as a way to not just dig into your deck but also to fill your graveyard. My humans deck rocks out with Angel of Glory's Rise, Fiend Hunter and Greater Good to chew through my whole deck.

@peachykeentv6304 3 жыл бұрын

One of my more controversial opinions that I picked up recently from somewhere is that the Ravnica bounce lands draw you a land (since they are a tap land that keeps you on curve while returning a land to your hand). While I’d never include them in the 10 card draw category, I like including them since it’s not very hard to fit one in to an early turn to get a land back for later.

@ivanalejandromarinenriquez4708 3 жыл бұрын

Love your videos! Keep up the good work. Greetings from Mexico! Care to share your Roon decklist, Josh?

@_somerandomguyontheinternet_ 3 жыл бұрын

8:43 Um... You picked maybe the one exiling card that wouldn’t give you card advantage in that position. Path to exile gives them a basic, so you each lose a net of 1 card.

@vaivs7903 3 жыл бұрын

And i thought i was the only one who thought that.

@shaungreenwood6987 3 жыл бұрын

Mul Daya plus landfall is really good.

@matthews2125 3 жыл бұрын

Glad it was mentioned that there’s a sync error cause I really thought I was losing my marbles.

@johnnyRandomadness 3 жыл бұрын

I never really thought about this before wow

@Stringer207 3 жыл бұрын

I like card draw in the sense of giving me more options and answers in my hand. I can play them whenever I want. I know red has impulse draw, but honestly I kind of stay clear of it. Effects like Etali, I don’t consider card draw because they aren’t going into my hand and I don’t get to chose when to use it. Sometimes it’s something I need for later, and woops I guess it has to be casted now. Not beneficial. Then you have things like wildest dreams or deaths denial and I definitely wouldn’t could as card draw, but instead recursion. I always have a “protection/recursion” pile. What if this piece of my combo gets blown up? Or what if they go after this or that cause it does fancy stuff. I can see those 2 maybe being “card draw” if it’s the right deck. Graveyard decks or something like that. But generally, I would say no.

@marginis 3 жыл бұрын

And this is why Chains of Mephistopheles is the best card in commander. 😁

@tortle1055 3 жыл бұрын

I think one important thing to note is the quality of the card advantage. You really need a minimum of 10 quality card draw / card advantage cards in your deck. While plea for guidance is card advantage, it’s not efficient enough to really count towards the 10.

@evanzircher8763 3 жыл бұрын

I can't understand how notion thief isn't counted as card draw. It feels like a 100% chance to get card advantage. It reduces your opponents ability to draw. Even if only prevents your opponents from playing cards that draw isn't that card advantage?

@Merlijn1994 3 жыл бұрын

It's certainly card advantage, but it may not actually draw you cards, so I can see the doubt about what exactly it is

@Enigmaessence 3 жыл бұрын

So to your point about Sire of Stagnation, making your opponents not play lands is a HUGE deal. The stats episode you guys did showed that lands in play was the strongest factor in who wins the game. So by making them delay playing lands, you're forcing them to play behind.

@hiddenleaf414 3 жыл бұрын

I think a clear distinction between card draw and card advantage at the beginning of the episode would have made this episode much more clear.

@captianbacon 2 жыл бұрын

Ranger of eos is a very strong white card draw spell (if u build with it in mind) getting two 1 drops is card advantage and white has some of the best 1 drops last time I cast it i got thraben inspector and esper sentinel, then bounced it and got, kami of false hope and selfless savior. I won tht game was playing mono white Thalia, heretic cathar.