Ok

He was right. It all seems like damage control.

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there is still money missing. a lot of money missing. the golf money, the money they made this year, money from twitch bits and subs

So where's the money from the golf stuff that they never mentioned

Jirad liked the money's smell...

@@fixedfunshow digital pixel smell

To be fair that's the reason he said in the call he didn't want to donate the money yet, so it didn't appear like he just did it for being called out. That said he cared more about his self image than donating the money because it still took him months and a couple of videos to do so.

@@ICharlyl It took him 10 years to be exact.

​@@ICharlylhe had said for years that the foundation has donated the money. Stop simping for criminals

Agreed

Yeah this is far from over. If the gold tournaments were also raising money for The Open Hand foundation for literal years, then why are we only seeing the money from the live streams being donated? Where did all the golf tournament money go? This is their last ditch effort to save face. It's also kinda gross to read the article written as if this was done out of the good of their hearts. Bullshit. They were literally forced to donate it. The entire article is disingenuous.

Lol they donated the lowballed estimate of muta and Karl. To me just proves they don't have the money. Or just as worst, they think they can get away with only donating the lowball and are gonna hold on to the rest, assuming the completionist has the money

yea i bet jirad could easly come up with 100,000s(or more....getting a loan remorage house. maybe that's why it took him a month to do it) if money was missing he could make up the difference , so this to me doesnt prove the was no fraud. it gives me more questions. jirad will NEVER EVER be forgiven by me. at best he lost 50k from inflation while the money did nothing.

Yeah I have the same perspective I think that the donation more likely then anything is to try to sweep the entire golf situation under the rug

For sure, I sincerely doubt this money came directly from their charity's bank account, pretty sure that money was in their pockets first.

​@njm-ps5wx also the problem is this is significantly lower than what the full amount should be right now. So right now all we can confirm is that 600k of about a million is still in the accounts. 300K+ is still a LOT of potential skimming.

I'm 100% certain that it came from Daddy's pocket, The guys committed enough fraud that he probably is sitting on millions of dollars, what's a few bucks to prevent your kids from going to jail

Completionist getting IRS ending for 100%

@@youtubeisevil Maybe he'll get the jail ending too.

The donate achievement takes 10 years didnt you know that?!

It's weird one of his hangups was it not going to some doctor's salary or something and it's like, what do they think the money is supposed to pay for if not for people to do their job towards those efforts? The worst would be if it just went in to some owner's bonus or something.

maybe he was trying to get the achievement "stall donation as long as possible" sadly he only got to around 10 years , truly a dedication .

FR BRO. He should've donated the money. I mean, it's not like once he donates the money it's gonna sit in a bank account for 10 years@@Aeduo

Assuming they’d even donate without Mutahar & Karl pressuring them is as bold as their original claims about supporting dementia research

yeah sure dude ! they would have taken the money for retirement the only problem they caught them !

I don't think the money would have ever been donated...

They still haven't donated everything...

@@Zombertino Jirad knew he could keep the smokes because he's famous enough to get away with stuff.

Well you would have to be pretty foolish (or uninformed I suppose) to donate anything to them at this point.

I'm convinced the money was placed into another money making endeavor, and that's why it took them some time to donate it. They had to divest the money over the course of a few weeks.

​@@Blackspidy619Which is fraud so.....

They literally cant, they still owe 55K from the tax fillings that weren't donated. They also still have to give explanations for whatever they did with the golf tournament earnings because that money wasn't registered in the records of the Open Hand Foundation charity. Anyways, no one should donate or sponsor them ever again after this fiasco.

@@Blackspidy619 you cannot be serious...

At this point I doubt they actually gave a fuck about her at all. How did they think no one was gonna do the math and realize they didn't donate the money? They had to have known this was going to be the outcome eventually. Easy way to completely ruin your reputation.

At this point, I doubt she is even dead to be honest. Or ever had dementia. @@le1660

It gets worse, her husband has been documented with another woman before she even died. There's pictures of them together before his wife died and pictures of them kissing and holding each other on his birthday which was like two months after her death Dude moved on before even losing his wife and then pulled the sympathy card

Damn you still alive?

If that's how they treat family, I don't want to know how they treat enemies

Yeesh, if that turns out to be true it's just gonna be incredible to see.

Didnt he have like $660,000? And only donated $600,000? So where did $60,000 go?

@@ParasiteEvelit went to offset production costs

@@mar7348 that's horrible if so, because he even said "I used some for production costs, but it was only a few thousand" $60,000 is not a "few" jeez this guy can't stop lying.

@@ParasiteEvel no no, there's probably way over $660,000 which was actually received. that was only the number given in the books. even from that, only $600,000 has been used.

Being a snitch is like telling on your sibling for cussing. Being a whistleblower is saying, "hey y'all, i think serious crimes are afoot, lets look at this."

Yeah this is not "snitching." If it was snitching, then that would mean that the viewers who donated knew it was a scam and were just donating for the sole reason of secretly making Jirard 's family rich...

If snitching means letting the viewers know the truth about scam charities then I'm all for it

If you want to get pedantic, this isn't whisleblowing either, as it's being brought to light by someone from the outside, not from within.

The whole concept of calling people snitches these days is just to shame people who bring any kind of wrong doing to light.

We also don't know what the full amount of donations is supposed to be because they withheld funds from the golf event on their tax document. The donation they did make wasn't even the full amount they said was in the Open Hands' bank account. This absolutely still needs to be investigated.

It's not really that confusing. They were planning to keep the money. They got caught, so now they're trying desperately to look like they were planning to do the right thing all along.

Honestly I think it is sort of simple if you realize it is a scam and a fraud charity and they always planned on keeping the money.

I mean that excuse has GOT to be bullshit. If he believed that the charities he was naming weren't good enough or weren't using the money the way he felt it should be used, why keep publicly endorsing them? It doesn't make sense.

@@hairymcnipples why would they keep the money, it didnt gain any value at all.

*likely illegal*, not just underhanded

@@SSJacksWolfdementia is not "oddly specific" They said they were donating but weren't so whatever way you cut it, it is still fraud. You don't need to accrue millions of dollars before donating, that is just a ridiculous thing to say. But I'll look forward to your video

​@@SSJacksWolf Then make a video.

​@@SSJacksWolf interesting, I'll wait for your video, can wait for these fake youtubers to get wrecked. In the mean time do you have anything to say about the casual knowledge of the golf tournament money, please?

​@@SSJacksWolfif "Jirard likely" did anything that would explain this, he could explain it and help himself out way before this point. They aren't "snitching", this isn't a school yard.

They won’t be

@@reiddutchess9955 The IRS doesn't fuck around when it comes to tax evasion in the 100ks. Guaranteed they're going to look into this.

I meant they won't be held accountable, not that the IRS won't investigate. @@GummyDinosaursify

​@@reiddutchess9955"being held accountable" is literally what he means by saying the IRS needs to audit them. Whether or not his loyal community of fans finds his actions acceptable is irrelevant.

@@astuteandy an investigation isn’t being held accountable. Actual consequences for unethical or criminal behavior is being held accountable.

We don't know what the full amount of donations is supposed to be because they withheld funds from the golf event on their tax document. The donation they did make wasn't even the full amount they said was in the Open Hands' bank account. This absolutely still needs to be investigated.

Hey, I want that shiny penny

For the charity, and the completionists brand it was way too late. The charity will probably never get another donation and the completionists brand and his "charity work" is 100% dead.

@@samus6256 Na there are still meat-riding apologists that will line up again next year.... unless the AG of CA or IRS sets this straight, they will get money in 2024.

Obviously they were scamming and yeah they would have kept it. All these charities are scams anyways, so now some other criminal gets to retire on these viewer donations instead of Jirard and his family members.

I was thinking something similar, might explain the delay as they scrambled to get the money together

My personal tinfoil is that they put the money in a safe investment scheme. They make a small but not insignificant interests return, and if they get caught, they pull the capital and donate it.

Near the end of the video Jirard explicitly addresses this concern and claims the money came from funds which were never touched in the account, says he or his family didn't direct deposit from personal accounts to make the recent $600K donation. Is this true? Who knows. Well, actually the IRS knows and will find out when they audit his ass.

​​@@qwerfaThat's what I was thinking too. Seems like the safest way to make more money there.

That's what the Mormon church does. They claim the money they collect from their members isn't being used for profit, but they invest the money and use the *interest* to fund commercial ventures.

Research fraud? What happened?

And thank YOU for doing the hard work. Having seen it up close I am very grateful.

I feel bad for pointing it out but the idiom is "nip it in the bud". You cut it out from a plant before it grows out. I used to say "the gig is up" and "butt naked" (instead of jig and buck naked) because we hear idioms without ever reading them in text.

​@@91MRJnot him so I don't know what he means exactly, but I believe one of the main things being researched as a cause and potential cure, the brain plaque theory, has been fake since it's inception and the researchers knew.

@@ChucksSEADnDEAD Hahaha thank you for pointing this out. I’ve been saying it wrong, and getting away with it, for my whole life!

We also don't know what the full amount of donations is supposed to be because they withheld funds from the golf event on their tax document. The donation they did make wasn't even the full amount they said was in the Open Hands' bank account. This absolutely still needs to be investigated.

You know…the initial charity he said he was working with from the beginning. SUDDENLY they are good partners to donate to, huh?

He didn't even find one, he gave it to the original announced place. He essentially just spent a decade to hit a "transfer" button, the absolute fool.

@@MasterLPG Oh yeah I forgot about that, fuck

@@Giozize my bet is the original charity saw all this going down and got their own lawyers involved forcing Open Hand to donate the money they have been publicly claiming they were donating.

Muta simps: "Ha! See! We were right all along, he MUST be guilty because *HE DEFENDED HIMSELF!* Only a criminal with a guilty conscience would EVER defend themselves!" KZfaq needs to start banning drama tubers and encourage *actual* journalistic integrity and investigating rather than catering to armchair-detectives that haven't graduated middle school.

Nah that money was gone, the family have coughed this up fron their personal money in my opinion. No one sits on 600k for ten years.. watching it devalue as inflation goes up constantly.

Pulling a devil’s advocate, maybe they didn’t hear about the sh**show?

Doubt it a PR company was hired by them@@gp-1542

tip: media never does it's work

​@@gp-1542 If they didn't catch this shitshow then they shouldn't be a journalist

You really think that the receiving end really wants that stink to to be attached to them too?

It was a scam. He probably had good intentions but when their family got ahold of the money the allure to keep it was to great. The greed got to them and considering they used their dead mother as the reason for the charity they are disgusting humans who need to see prison time.

As The Completionist it's ironic he didn't complete his side of the bargain.

As The Completionist, he did completely screw himself on this one 😂

@@samus6256 I wouldn't be surprise by that but he will probaly be still be going to jail regardless. Even if we take his word of not knowing till now, that is not gonna save him from that unless he gets a plea deal or something.

He wasn't gonna donate until he had enough money to cure everyone

Probably the actual lawyer fees made it go from 655,000 to 600,000 sadly

@@SSJacksWolfyou might have a point if he wasn't actively lying about donating which is what this whole thing stems from, if he was honest about them not donating it then there wouldn't be an issue. (Pretty sure that's still illegal but there wouldn't be so much negativity around it) Btw Jirard and his charity started this controversy by saying they're donating to charity when they aren't, how you blame someone else for that is nuts

​@SSJacksWolf Yeah, no doubt. I think that's a fundamental problem with charities. Always better to donate time instead of money in my opinion.

​@@SSJacksWolfeven if Jirard was "right," his actions are still not right, morally or legally. Glad it's been donated now.

​@SSJacksWolf that is a good narrative The Completionist said in his new video, but if he felt like holding onto the donation was the smart plan from the start why didn't he just tell SOG that in the discord call. As I remember it, back then The Completionist said "I knew the money wasn't being donated in 2020, and that wasn't cool" 🤔. It easy for him to spin the story now, but let's not forget the "restricted donation" was never explained by OHF OR The Completionist until after the first videos had been released.

We also don't know what the full amount of donations is supposed to be because they withheld funds from the golf event on their tax document. The donation they did make wasn't even the full amount they said was in the Open Hands' bank account. This absolutely still needs to be investigated.

100%

Not to mention his him and his family could be facing jail time for this as well.

Lmao you are insane if you think this is going to ruin his career, this will blow over and ppl will watch his videos, majority of ppl do not watch this stuff and do not really care about it. It happens constantly and yet everyone always thinks “oh I saw it and I care so therefore everyone else does” There’s channels with legit psychopaths and ppl who are known content thieves and they are still successful

@@derrickwhipp1613 It will ruin his career if he goes to prison for charity fraud which could happen.

They're not getting off that easy. The government is going to crack down hard on this. You can believe that. The IRS don't play when you lie or misreport on tax filings.

Oh it was 100% a scam. The fact there are 100,000s of dollars missing from all the non Indieland events that just "disappeared" and never made it into the IRS reports, tell us they've been skimming off the top this whole time and hoping no would would notice if the majority of the money just stood still.

Mega prison

Great vid. One note: didn’t say “ladies and gentlemen” enough.

​@@LunaticKD1991ehhhh I mean, he is incorporated. They're basically allowed to do the fuck whatever

It’s hardly surprising. Jirard is an influencer, a public face, his reputation and image is everything, without it his business is worthless. Not saying it is ok, but it is understandable.

@@themightyant. yeah but his assumption that they'd immediately go after his rep was odd

Self preservation is normal, I wouldn't read too much into that, yeah he's out of touch but still his reaction could be put down to instinct

@@thelocalcrusader9522 not really. Have you seen any other type of ‘calling out’ videos? When does it ever end well? Morevover he understands how the community will run with things. Look at what Mutatahar and Jobst said and then look at the communities reaction, turning things up to eleven and claiming things they didn’t even say. Jirard is savvy enough to KNOW it would significantly damage, or even kill, his career.

@@themightyant. Yeah the community might take it pretty badly that is to be expected but I'm more talking about him saying stuff like "if you just want me to shut up and take the L so you can make your videos" which seems weird that he'd say that especially considering karl and muta's reputation

That’s the point. Tons of skimming. There’s plenty of corruption in charities, but open hand didn’t even try to donate a dollar to a good cause for 10 years until they got caught, and who knows how much they skimmed during that time? Also who knows what they were doing with the enormous amount of money over 10 years? Add on the lying and story changing…

It's exactly for this reason that I try my best donate to charities that directly take action to help their cause. I avoid those third party charities if I can help it.

And in the end it goes to the original one they said it was after they spent a decade “searching for the right one” I can’t believe anyone is buying this crap

Well, main issue is the inflation but...in the grand scheme of things, the money is still there and it was donated which is a BIG plus in my book. I often watch Coffeezilla where the money is simply gone, stollen by scammers so...i am willing to chalk that up to grave incompetence, though definitely would not donate to them

this amount of money for medical research is literally peanuts. it’s 600k. not 20 million. what are you talking about all the progress lmao.

Yeah i think he's incompetent but has good intentions. That's a common combination somehow.

Not defending the douchebaggery, but you don't need to imagine... The progress would be none. It's an uphill battle that takes decades, a lot of expensive equipment, and a small army of phds from all over the world. It's the kind of thing that takes dozens of billions and at the same time all that money and years isn't guaranteed to result in an effective treatment. 600k is pretty much chump change in the grand scheme of things.

ikr

lmao thats a stretch and a half but its good they brought it to light.

​@@TheErikjsmis it? It was just sitting there year after year while they were still asking for money not even letting people know Even if its "legal" Its still very Scummy

As I’ve said before, the best thing Jirard can do is donate all the money raised and double it. I will only forgive them if and only if they get there crap together, announce what happened, an audit is done and after donating double what was raised.

ye no they didnt

I enjoy the content, but this makes it hard to listen to. Especially once you notice it 😬

this

Yeah, no kidding. There are way too many discrepancies with their actions and comments to different people that call into question the foundations actual goals and operations. Like why did Jirard's brother(cousin?) email Karl and say they have been actively looking for charities to donate to. The same message was given by Jirard himself when they got his comment on the situation. Then how come he was on his podcast a few days later proudly name dropping his foundation and all the charities they have actively donated to and partnered with? Like how the fuck does that occur? Then there's all the questions of the golf tournament charity event and where all that unaccounted money went? I wanna give people the benefit of the doubt but this is blatantly in bad faith, and I REALLY hope that people don't see this donation as the end of the story. This is the absolute bare minimum of what should happen.

In order to commit fraud, your actions need to result in personal gain, which clearly hasn't happened here with the money being there, being donated, and his name being drug through the mud. Quite literally zero personal gain.

@@cowmath77 there's still all the twitch bits missing and the golfing stuff. Charity fraud is the act of using deception to obtain money from people who believe they are donating to a charity. Often, individuals or groups will present false information claiming to be a charity or associated with one, and then ask potential donors for contributions to this non-existent charity. If this had never been brought to light through Karl and Muta, I highly doubt anything would have been done. The personal gain stuff also doesn't apply when talking about group organizations due to the fact people can noncomplicantly be involved. So them stating to be involved with a charity they clearly were not is already based grounds for deception.

An incompetent criminal is still a criminal. Just knocks it down to a charge of "conspiracy to commit", "attempted", or something similar.@@cowmath77

@@cowmath77 Charity fraud can be as simple as claiming you are donating to a charity that you never actually did. Jirard has been doing this for years. That's fraud. Also, where is the money from IndieLand 2023? Where is all the money from the gol being run for the last decade? All of those donations flow through the Open Hand Foundation. So where are those donations? His name is being dragged through the mud because he lied to people for years, and only donated when he was exposed.

Don't forget the undisclosed gold tournament money they probably have 200-300k in an account

@@topsdaily_productions oh I know. That's what I meant when I said "before you include the money that seems to be missing." The whole thing is shady. They donated almost all the money to one charity. I wonder if this will end up being "I pledged X dollars" and they didn't pay out like Amber Heard.

Also the bits, subscriptions, and tips that were promised to the charity that also seemingly vanished. Probably a good 300k at least that just up and vanished.

Yeah I want to see what ends up happening with the IRS because either they stole the rest of the money or for some reason didn’t donate the rest.

200-300k is still probably lowballing it. We know that they're missing like 75k from the grants from that other charity person. After indieland started, they seemed to have stopped reporting their golf tournament income, which if we're generous and say from 2018-2023 they'd continue making around 35-40k a year that's 210-250k This year had an indieland too so that's another 80-100k Then we're missing money from subs, bits, superchats, raffles, auctions, any donations sent to the charity via patrons of the golf tournament. Again, for at least 6 years (We don't know if the 2014-2018 reports that are the golf tournament include these additional funds or if it's purely just sponsors) which is likely another 100-200k Which would put the ballpark for missing funds at around 465-500k. Again, just since indieland at least (Though it wouldn't surprise me if they'd been skimming from the golf tournament the first 4 years too. In fact, the success of it probably prompted doing it with indieland)

i dont think #2 happened. as per original exposey, the money is there (no outbound transaction)

I don't think anything was invested. 600k is only like 2/3 of the full money made by all of the funding avenues that the charity uses, I believe the 1/3 was pocketed

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My guess is that they were selling off chunks of Bitcoin for the past week to come up with the 600k lol.

i was just wondering about that too, like if it was all in a HYSA or CDs

Maybe it was mentioned in the video but is there even proof this was the same money people donated? Because one obvious possibility is Jirard scraped together $600k from him and/or his family and donated it when the story came out about the "missing" donations. Also it seems really suspicious that they donated exactly the amount brought up by Karl and Mutahar in the first video and none of the other hundreds of thousands of dollars (from the golf events, etc.) that have seemingly disappeared completely.

@@TheEloheim yeah some gamers family just came up with 600k cash on the fly to give to charity... dude, lay off the Super Male Vitality Formula.

@@cowmath77 if they siphoned off 2m or something and showed they had only raised 600k, sure

​@cowmath77 if they used this as a way to siphon money from a charity, they could definitely come up with 600k if they were trying to avoid an audit. I'm not saying they did this but its theoretically possible.

​@@cowmath77making a comment that naive and telling others to stay off of stuff is a heck of a bold move, can't see it paying off for you here though. "Some gamers" you mean a charity owner multi business owner with a large public follow, that's not "some gamers" dude quit sniffing your own expulsions.

"People who pay taxes are always conscious where their money goes" no, no they are not unfortunately.

But paying taxes sucks. Why do I need to pay the government to build roads when they can literally print as much money they want, whenever they want???

@@CaptainXJWhile that’s true, it’s still a childish mentality to get angry about people “snitching” on something that actually impacts people.

@@CaptainXJ i kknow it´s going down the gutter or some shitty politicians pocket, but if i don´t pay, well, i get in jail unlike those jerks

@@Themacattack1209 ok. I never said it wasnt...

There is no need to correct a mistake no one knows about, especially if it wasn’t a mistake until it became known

exactly

How was it not? He addresses every thing clearly.

@@wispyluma76 My biggest gripe is how he doesn't do a thorough breakdown of Open Hand's finances. He covers one year verbally, but he doesn't go through every year, and he provides no documentation. It's basically just "trust me bro." People say he brought receipts, where are they then?

@reno Did you listen to him at all? Link in the description. He said it over and over in his video, linking you to proof. Maybe, click on one of em?

@@FrostShaggy None of his sources are an actual breakdown of Open Hand's finances. I'm talking about income and expenses which should all have records. I can't say for sure if the numbers line up if we don't know for sure how much they spent and how much they received.

I mean, credit where credit is due, if this was Jake Paul the donation never would’ve been made even after all the pressure. The money is now going to help people, and that’s a win for everyone

The real hero is probably the lawyer that told Jirad to donate the money so he can make a decent excuse.

@@emeraldfinder5no. Credit is not due here. Do not pat them on the back for being forced into a corner. This money would have never been donated without the spotlight on them. Not even mentioning the fact that they’re underreporting revenue and using the golf tournament to embezzle money and enrich themselves. This is unforgivable

@@dylanstreit3612 I’m not patting them on the back but I’m not criticizing them further. They’ve donated the money, so we’ve achieved basically all we can by hating on them and pressuring them. As far as I’m concerned, hating on them any further is beating a dead horse. Let the authorities investigate it, and be happy the money did end up going where it can help people

@@emeraldfinder5nope.

Also if he was researching charities for 10 years, where is all that data? That would be very helpful to see.

@@evolutia1 he wasn't researching anything. It's just another lie to try and save his neck - he's a scammer, and clearly, a good chunk of his family is too.

I would bet the second one. Probably used those couple weeks wiring money back into the charity account thinking Noone would notice.

@@vortex_1336 We also don't know what the full amount of donations is supposed to be because they withheld funds from the golf event on their tax document. The donation they did make wasn't even the full amount they said was in the Open Hands' bank account. This absolutely still needs to be investigated.

I hope the gov actually looks into it and requests the bank statements to see what went where and when.

@mattgottesmann3514 in what way?

Yeah I'm betting they were selling off chunks off Bitcoin for the past week to come up with this donation without having to reach into their bank accounts lol.

Also when they got called out and this scandal happens he found the national leading charity for disease within a few weeks.... So are we aiming they couldn't have found this organisation within a few Google searches so what the fuck were they doing for 10 years.

Watch as those very organizations were the ones they donate the money to. Doesn't matter if they donate all the funds for damage control, there's still the question of those golf tournaments. 👀

It's a Press Release put out by the PR firms hired by Open Hand and AFTD. It's not a news article but it's also pretty standard for this sort of thing.

@@MichaelJM Funny how scummy PR work is becoming "pretty standard."

He's no speedrunner lol, probably needed a guide for the bad ending. Maybe they could take the strategy for other "real" Charities.

yup if he is that bad with other people money maybe he need to be upfront about it

Good, this shit they did has been absolutely uncalled for with no actual proof of anything, and yet still told everyone they did. Glad to see this dumbass digging his hole deeper to be used against him in court. Could have just apologized and admit he was wrong, now Jirard is gonna have a shit ton of money for his Charity lol

​@@GKXPresswhy do you like being scammed and defending scammers? 🤔

@@GKXPress I'm no legal expert, but I honestly don't think Jirard even has a case. I can't speak for Karl, but Muta at the very least has merely cited documented information publicly available and merely speculated on what said information seemed to point to, making no direct accusation that I'm aware of. At worst, maybe he made an erroneous statement somewhere or miscalculated something, but that does not a case make. In all honesty, it kinda makes Jirard look a bit more suspect imo, because it comes across as vengeful and/or petty for someone just shedding light on the situation

@@GKXPress No proof? The money was sitting there until a few days ago lol.

@@whitemageserenia It felt very legal team PR. Use an empty threat to silence opposition to quiet down the flames and eventually people forget and have this whole situation be forgotten. If he truly *does* intend to sue, I legitimately think it's gonna be hilarious given he will have to prove intention for defamation which will probably just end up being something like "I'm a highly popular youtuber and these kind of accusations are an attack on my character to put me down."

Probably that their accountant (whoever.that may be) is grossly incompetent (which wouldn't be a surprise) so they probably put it into a different account for the golf money and never sent it over to the Open Hand foundation "until they found a charity to send the money over to". That's still bad but I assume that will be their excuse

@@erichdamer1312 We also don't know what the full amount of donations is supposed to be because they withheld funds from the golf event on their tax document. The donation they did make wasn't even the full amount they said was in the Open Hands' bank account. This absolutely still needs to be investigated.

I don't think they would have ever donated the money. 10 years to not donate the money. That money was never going to leave their hands.

@@erichdamer1312 The problem with that excuse is they kept collecting money for that long. That’s the sketchy part that undermines a lot of the more reasonable explanations. Anybody’s online reputation involved with this charity is just destroyed. The question that determines if you can salvage it is “Did they get any of the money?”

That’s pretty obvious honestly. Of course they emblazoned all the money and only donated now because they got caught.

Ya why did it take so long to donate the money if it was there the whole time

Uh... No. If they used all the money and then got a loan to pay the charity it doesn't magically fix their books and make the fraud go away. It's a lot more likely the money was in fact always there sitting in the account. That doesn't explain what happened to the other money they should have had, though.

I think they kept all the Indieland donation money in the bank, and that's what was donated. However, they skimmed all the golf money, and Twitch subs/bits that off the top and pocketed it. Which is why that money seems to be missing

From appearances, it seems like a large portion of the money (The direct earnings from indieland) was simply left in the account to fester, with them occasionally dipping into it to fund their events. Likely as a sort of decoy so when questioned they can be like "Look, the money from our fundraiser is still here! We're not taking any of it!" While the golf tournament money, the bits/subs, grants from other charities and whatever other sources of revenue they received they took as direct profit. As not a single cent of it appears in their books and the $600,000 donation they just made doesn't include it. Now that their excuse of "Look the money from our fundraiser is still here" is being questioned, they're quickly responding by donating it in hopes people forget about all the missing money.

Two weeks* the donation was made on November 29th

we didn't hammer him even half as much as the IRS is about to

That would probably satisfy someone like me. Seeing him livestream from his video-game-less refrigerator crate home in some back alley, begging on the corner for change and then being forced to donate whatever change he collects to charity while he starves...

@@grizzlywhisker if i was him, I wouldn't want the internet's forgiveness. just take the money and go, lol. But then the legalities would make me end up in jail, so there's that.

This was 100% damage control. Why else would they donate $600K instead of the $655K that the tax filings claim they have? They're hoping to distract everyone with the "almost" enough money, so they can bury the actually missing money.... which they absolutely are doing right now...

Not just research time it lost and money losing its value. This likely delayed cures or treatments that could save or improve lives. This actively harmed people due to negligence when the money was meant to go there immediately.

They've still got all that hidden cash from the golf tournaments sloshed away like infected squirrels paranoid at the world. Why they think they're gonna get away with that just because they didn't declare it when the evidence is out in the world, they have so much more to account for that they hope people either forget or don't look too closely at.

I highly doubt it, considering the amount the guy makes lol.

@@Adalon- ya millionaires are known for their hatred of money

​@@Adalon-dont underestimate greed friend.

600k is pretty much a drop in the bucket in terms of retirement plans at his age.

yeah they only donated what was on the books. there is still all the golf money and twitch bits missing.

@@1981troyboy well, that’s really sleazy. Hopefully they donate it and get the backlash that’s coming to them.

Jail and Lawyers

It’s great news ? lol

I was one of these people that was really on the fence, but as time went on was pretty convinced they'd pocketed the money. Glad that wasn't the case

It would be hard for many others to do this. The majority of streamers/influencers doing charity events do it through direct donation links or third parties that handle it for you. Many of them would have to check on things like the completionist where they donate subs or personal donos, but 99% of the time those are covered by the streamer later posting a screenshot/pic of "Hey heres my contribution." The completionist is a unique situation because all his charity events for a foundation his famil directly owned. They were essentially paid to him directly.

Kim K uses charities to hide taxes. Lots of celebs do. Rich people are going to destroys charities soon.

@@kingkiller14000 We also don't know what the full amount of donations is supposed to be because they withheld funds from the golf event on their tax document. The donation they did make wasn't even the full amount they said was in the Open Hands' bank account. This absolutely still needs to be investigated.

It made me want to check up on the IRS filings of Child's Play, since it's such a long-standing gamer charity. As far as the tax filings go, it looks a WHOLE lot more legit than Open Hand does: much more specific breakdowns on staff pay, costs, and outgoing donations. That's to say nothing of the, you know, actual pictures of actual toys and games going to actual children at actual hospitals. Without an accountant going through all of their books, it's impossible to say for _certain_ that there's no fraud there, but it passes the smell test.

There are tons of KZfaqr scams out there, but most exist in the investing/crypto world. I'm sure it's been done before.

Cooperate "elites" have been running this scam for even longer, the youtubers are just catching up to how it all works. The only way this type of thing is gonna change is if they the government were to actually do something about it. But with the problem of lobbying... it's an uphill battle. As is many things money related in the USA.

last i checked, i swear his brother ran the money side. so i like to believe/hope it was all due to his brother and he was honestly trying to move the money. Granted i feel like we don't know enough to know how guilty he is outside of atleast 2 years.

I would just assume every single charity is a blatant scam unless proven to be legitimate, yet somehow people are foolish enough to think it's the other way around.

All charity is a scam.

​@@xt3100Why don't you actually WATCH these videos on the scam instead of defending criminals using false information. He admitted knowing no money had been given in 2021 but was still claiming to have worked with those charities in 2023

Obviously

Too bad he needs to finish the dlc of his 2023 charity donation

This should have been in the thumbnail 😂

It only took multiple weeks, multiples videos, multiple callouts. He gives it his completionist rating of, Avoid It.

That we know of, there's the question what came from the golf tournaments

That's one thing to look into, but also there is still no actual proof the money was ever sent. After all, a web article is written by a person, a person that can be bribed to write what they want. It's all still very sus, and more investigation should go into it.

Exactly.

At this point, we should see actual records showing the money has been donated, other than this article.

Good point.

We also don't know what the full amount of donations is supposed to be because they withheld funds from the golf event on their tax document. The donation they did make wasn't even the full amount they said was in the Open Hands' bank account. This absolutely still needs to be investigated.

His father has connections so a few donations to the Cali Dems, Gavin Newsom, DNC, and Biden and at best they’ll get off with some slaps on the wrist.

This will not end in prison time, guaranteed. People with financial means who belong in prison rarely find themselves in prison.

The fact they made the donation after examining the golf makes me think that’s where the real tax evasion is at.

​@@forrestdorman4870i'll assume it's the family business. The KZfaq, golf event and everything else is just the front, while the real money is made under the sheets.

@@kingkarljfs7965oh I know that but they really should open an influencer section.

@@kingkarljfs7965 also the government lately been going after crypto scammers look for Example FTX SAFE MOON and Binance CEO yet they haven’t gone after logan is especially baffling.

@@kingkarljfs7965isn’t what he did fraud.

​@@kingkarljfs7965That has nothing to do with what this person just said, so I'm not sure why you would bring it up.

Isn’t there a cyber crime unit, maybe they should focus more on online fraud than hackers.

Unfortunately, charities are often scams, that exist to skim money off of. It's why you should never buy the breast cancer pink items or anything that gets a pride flag slapped on it during June, because not a penny actually goes to helping breast cancer or the lgbt community

Its not hard to fake look at thr Katerina fund raisers

I would say just about every single charity in existence is some form of scam.

I'm not shocked that it happened but I am shocked who it happened too!

@@grizzlywhisker This is a dumb take. There's PLENTY of good charities out there and good meaning people as well. Don't make blanket statements like, especially ones as wildly wrong as what you've just said.

atleast he hasnt run and nothing shady was going on

@@dragongrandmaster What makes you say that? There's still the Golf money, Twitch donations and funds raised from events like Indieland we haven't heard about.

@@dragongrandmaster I mean, I guess, but that doesn’t mean just because he didn’t do that he needs to be praised or anything. He and his family still didn’t donate the money for almost a decade, so he still did something bad, just not as bad as what you said. But I do understand what you’re saying!

just happy he didnt went dark or all money is lost@@pizzanopastano9159

​@pizzanopastano9159 No man, them acting like this was a great act of charity, as well as, going with their original orginaztion after "searching further" for a decade???? No they donated because they got caught, 600,000 was the lowball number. They threw out 600,000 to an org they've been "wanting to" donate to .... for a decade.... They had full intentions of NOT donating the money.

*dabs* 100% true