The Conservatives can't save themselves ahead of the election

The Conservatives can't save themselves ahead of the election | The New Statesman podcast

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The longer the Conservatives hang on, the worse it gets.
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Last week Rishi Sunak lost 474 councillors, the constituency of Blackpool south, and Andy Street’s West Midlands mayoral. And yesterday things went from bad to worse for Sunak with a surprise defection to Labour from Natalie Elphicke MP for Dover and Deal.
The Conservatives can’t seem to escape this endless decline in support and popularity. So when did it all start to go wrong, and can they stop the train before it completely derails?
Freddie Hayward, political correspondent, is joined in the studio by Rachel Cunliffe, associate political editor, and George Eaton, senior editor.
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@peterprice6035 24 күн бұрын

Cons 18%, Lab 48% with YouGov today. Couldn't happen to a nicer party.

@paulwilson2651 24 күн бұрын

YouGov are Labours pals another out today had Labour 15% ahead. People need to work hard still to beat the Tories.

@TrafficConeGD 24 күн бұрын

@@paulwilson2651tbf most polls I’ve seen have the tories at 17-22%

@colincampbell4261 24 күн бұрын

Wasn't Kinnock leading in the Polls?

@TheMatthooks 24 күн бұрын

@@paulwilson2651YouGov is right leaning if anything. It was founded by a Tory after all. The one thing I'll say is all the posters seem to weight Reform way too highly. Even at 15 points the Tories are going home on a big red Ambulance. If the poll gap is the 20 points it's been showing at for the last year, we're gonna need a bigger set of benches for the government. But don't worry, because the Tories will hardly need any at all. If it does actually turn out at 30, then the Tories are going to be the fourth party, behind lib Dems and SNP as well as Labour. Unless the SNP implode of course in which case that's even more seats to Labour.

@leonbell5141 24 күн бұрын

Labour are just as bad as the Tories different cheek same bum and around and around we go same media will turn against Keir 🤷🏽‍♂️

@fenderek666 24 күн бұрын

Tories feel hopeless? Nice they joined the rest of the country... only they are the reason we feel so...

@malcolmmitchell6529 19 күн бұрын

Nicely put sir.

@andybrice2711 24 күн бұрын

As I see it: The Faustian pact which traditionally comes as part of a Tory government (as with capitalism in general) is that the elites get a lot richer. But at least small businesses and industrious people get richer too. With Sunak's approach, it seems the elites get richer, and everyone else gets materially poorer. How can they expect anyone to vote for that?

@grahamturner1290 24 күн бұрын

Tory Death Spiral. Good name for a band. 🎸

@colincampbell4261 24 күн бұрын

Excellent - death metal band?

@grahamturner1290 24 күн бұрын

@@colincampbell4261 absolutely. 😊

@melgrant7404 23 күн бұрын

Would be an interesting first album

@hanselmansell7555 24 күн бұрын

They've grifted every penny out of our country and there's basically nothing left. Bye 👋

@blauewaffel1469 24 күн бұрын

Isn’t that what the Tory Lügenpresse accused Labour of doing in 2010? Only this time they did it for realsies

@coppershark1973 24 күн бұрын

Yep. Labour aren’t going to change the direction either. I just give up!

@hanselmansell7555 23 күн бұрын

@@coppershark1973 yup, it's so depressing, I'm voting Green, not perfect but fewer sociopaths ❎️

@greentroll9326 23 күн бұрын

@@hanselmansell7555 aint no way i will vote partties that have muslim candidates this is england not the middle east

@hanselmansell7555 23 күн бұрын

@@greentroll9326 OK, try not to get ill or take a bus, better stay in forever if you want a white English world, good luck 👍

@peteratkin3788 24 күн бұрын

Rwanda is not moving forward, they paid for someone to go and and lost them! and how much did that cost the tax payer!

@penandpaper3783 23 күн бұрын

Three grand, apparently.

@buzzukfiftythree 23 күн бұрын

@@penandpaper3783And the rest! The admin costs alone would have been double that.

@StevieSpiers-ru3mf 24 күн бұрын

The only person that doesn't seem to know that Rishi the Runt is the most hated man in the UK is Rishi the Runt.

@l33jcm 24 күн бұрын

It's clear the Tories are managing for themselves and not for the country! Anyone still supporting them really need to bear this in mind when the GE is eventually called!

@MrWhitmen1981 22 күн бұрын

Can you blame them? The left and Labour Party want to hand everything over to the Middle East and Islam. I would too would insulate myself from the dangerous woke world.

@ashben74 24 күн бұрын

If he really cared about the country he'd call an election now. Actions speak louder than words.

@JupiterThunder 24 күн бұрын

TORIES. WE HAVE CURE: ZERO SEATS.

@onenote6619 24 күн бұрын

The only poll that matters is the General Election.

@Gary-le7dz 23 күн бұрын

Yes and as the pollsters have got the last 2 elections to within 2% it’s not gonna miraculously change , even in your wildest dreams

@TootlinGeoff 23 күн бұрын

That's true but it's usually said by politicians who know or at least suspect they're in for a drubbing. 🤣🤣

@Gary-le7dz 22 күн бұрын

Yes the it’s only the general election that matters is a standard line when your 21% behind in 750 polls

@craigfoulkes 22 күн бұрын

Give us an election now then

@gullygullible9774 24 күн бұрын

Rishis wife loves chequers he will stay till January for her and his precious daughter as for the nation let them eat cake 😊

@malcolmmitchell6529 19 күн бұрын

That, has BRED??????

@pip1723 24 күн бұрын

Tories finished oh dear how sad never mind.

@davidwhitehouse2162 24 күн бұрын

Asking people to vote Conservative is like cracking a very lame joke, devoid of smiles or laughs.

@TheF1uffyOne.50 24 күн бұрын

It started going wrong in 2010. It seems there are a lot of slow learners voting.

@stephfoxwell4620 24 күн бұрын

1979

@nadimovitch9237 24 күн бұрын

1655

@jusele-ox9rc 24 күн бұрын

@@nadimovitch9237touche sir

@davidclapham8078 23 күн бұрын

www.templar.co.uk/downloads/FCO+30+1048.pdf

@stephfoxwell4620 23 күн бұрын

@@nadimovitch9237 Why 1655? Is that when we first sent Irish criminals to Barbados?

@_Stardog_ 24 күн бұрын

Have been saying for ages the Tories seem to be governing according to GB News and Facebook (bot) comments when most people are fair minded and have never heard of gb news and don’t leave or indulge Facebook comments

@susanpettitt713 24 күн бұрын

Whole country is a broken train crash nothing works GE

@Gary-le7dz 22 күн бұрын

Who s been in charge for 14 years

@albertbrammer9263 23 күн бұрын

Elphicke "crossed the floor" to kick Sunak for "stabbing Johnson in the back". She would still be a Tory with BloJo as PM.

@stephfoxwell4620 24 күн бұрын

Always inevitable. Sunak needed an election before Easter. Now it is too late.

@anthonybrown4874 24 күн бұрын

Where did it all go wrong? Well the lies Bojo told us all about what a great Brexit there was to be had then many many dodgy honours, pandemic them and us behaviour nepotism with contracts for PPE and Truss ineptitude kinda killed it for them no way back unless Rishi I pay a low tax rate Sunak becomes a Saint they are done.

@coppershark1973 24 күн бұрын

Cameron. He called the damned referendum, damning us all to hell. The U.K. is in real trouble and Labour are continuing on with Brexit and it blows my mind.

@davidclapham8078 23 күн бұрын

www.templar.co.uk/downloads/FCO+30+1048.pdf

@hanselmansell7555 23 күн бұрын

@@coppershark1973 Yup, Cameron, bet the country to save his party and destroyed everyone whilst doing it. Worst PM in history 🐷

@mr_incognito9305 23 күн бұрын

@@coppershark1973I just don't think they want to drag it up again. I reckon it'll come up in the election after this one. They'll make a show of trying then say what we all know and move ba k towards the EU

@anthonybrown4874 22 күн бұрын

@mr_incognito9305 I don't think they can do an SNP and hope that if they ask the question repetitively then eventually the electorate will say yes. I think Labour need to work on improving trade relations with EU and find out what sort of relationship the UK wants with the EU and also what sort of membership would the EU want with us? When we voted to join the EEC no one knew how that membership would morph, its not like the public were asked at each stage of further integration politicians went on believing they knew best what the people wanted. Starter will stick with the vote decision that was made and a future election policy might be to commit to asking a question.

@crayontom9687 24 күн бұрын

It started going wrong in 2010 and if you want the real year zero, 1979

@davidclapham8078 23 күн бұрын

www.templar.co.uk/downloads/FCO+30+1048.pdf

@bradleybeaumont9202 23 күн бұрын

100 percent

@Gary-le7dz 22 күн бұрын

Lmfao have you read about the 1970 s …. Heath Wilson govts were governing a catastrophe

@davidjupp961 24 күн бұрын

What a shame

@-win- 22 күн бұрын

They don't have a train. They sold it off to private business.

@marcusrobbins854 24 күн бұрын

Yeah, supporting the murder of children is kinda a red line for me. Greens it is, I guess.

@jamesprivet 24 күн бұрын

Thank you.

@colincampbell4261 24 күн бұрын

The Greens policies are infantile.

@gordonaliasme1104 23 күн бұрын

@@colincampbell4261saving the planet is not infantile.

@mr_incognito9305 23 күн бұрын

Vote green in by elections and the locals. Please vote Labour at the GE, they are more likely to introduce climate legislation and work with the greens. Progressive parties work together for the greater good, Conservative parties hoard power for themselves and are bone headed

@marcusrobbins854 23 күн бұрын

@@mr_incognito9305 as I said child murder is a red line for anyone with a once of moral fibre.

@rthompson938 23 күн бұрын

We are sick and tired of our Politicians destroying this great nation of ours.

@TrevorBarre 22 күн бұрын

The great nation that has voted these grifters in for the past 14 years?

@rthompson938 22 күн бұрын

@@TrevorBarreAll politicians not just Tory.

@harrylyme2913 24 күн бұрын

Fox New in America, Daily Mail in UK. Tories followed the Mail line and now look at them.

@tedjess7484 24 күн бұрын

The quick fix goes for me now

@blauewaffel1469 24 күн бұрын

There is hope. For the people of this country finally waking up from a 14-year long nightmare. Time to open the curtains and enjoy the sunshine

@billdemudd6697 23 күн бұрын

i like that hopeful

@Aegmog 23 күн бұрын

It's the other party's turn now. Those of us who remember Labour's last dreadful show won't be so hopeful. And they will not be generous.

@Aegmog 23 күн бұрын

They were so awful they caused almost the entire country to vote Tory, can you imagine?

@blauewaffel1469 23 күн бұрын

@@Aegmog I was around for the last Labour government. Can you explain exactly how it was a ‘dreadful show’? Because I remember a growing economy, well-funded public services, a healthy NHS and years of tory media whining about how people on benefits had it too good and were living the high life. I also remember Labour stabilising the economy swiftly after bankers crashed it in 2008. I remember Tories fibbing about how Labour ‘spent all the money’ (we had 70% debt to GDP - way less than we have now with the same size economy)

@blauewaffel1469 23 күн бұрын

@@Aegmog another lie. The 2010 election resulted in a hung parliament. Tories didn’t win an outright majority until 2015

@peteratkin3788 24 күн бұрын

When did it all start to go wrong, that's easy Camron.

@becoming.andreia 24 күн бұрын

You have to go farther back to Tatcher and Raegan, they paved the way to our current neo-liberalism mindset

@davidclapham8078 24 күн бұрын

www.templar.co.uk/downloads/FCO+30+1048.pdf

@cyber_rachel7427 22 күн бұрын

Actually it all started going wrong with the formation of the Tory party in 1834

@becoming.andreia 22 күн бұрын

@@cyber_rachel7427 I meaaaaan, really it went terribly wrong when the Roman empire decided to invade Britannia

@user-nc4ck7ls9p 24 күн бұрын

The Rwanda PM😂😂😂 thats all the dude ever talked about 😂😂😂

@philipedwards3036 24 күн бұрын

Just give it to Penny. She will wipe the floor.

@jonnobloggs8642 24 күн бұрын

She will be wiping the floor as a cleaner when she loses her seat at the election 🪣

@IntelligentArtefact 23 күн бұрын

Does she have a big mop and bucket?

@melgrant7404 23 күн бұрын

Many would give it to penny 😊

@michaelwilliams3232 24 күн бұрын

Rachel Cunliffe on the money, but I think a QUANGO is lined up.

@detritiv0re144 24 күн бұрын

I'm devastated.

@Clubberdude-sp1gw 24 күн бұрын

Oh well. I've been waiting 13+ years for this.

@user-cn2uh1jy4e 24 күн бұрын

The fishi sunak coup has been a Trainwreck.oh dear.Thats called karma.😂

@user-wo6qn3vf9n 24 күн бұрын

Well not with his as leader, remember Scotland?

@fahmad7194 24 күн бұрын

Sunak has become a pawn of the war lobby

@MrBoboiscool 23 күн бұрын

As if sir keir isnt going to continue funding Israel… rishi is shite but thats one thing keir wont be better on

@andybrice2711 24 күн бұрын

They've repeatedly made such terrible decisions that I can't help but wonder if they're being sabotaged from within.

@rolandrothwell4840 22 күн бұрын

Natalie Elphick is no wondrous victory for Labour. Starmer will be embracing the politics of Enoch Powell next! It's not just about changing the party of Government, but what change that party represents and what change in policy that party will implement

@KeithDeley 23 күн бұрын

A Muslim in charge of our country know know know, vote him out before it's to late ,look what's happened to London.

@Ahrimas 23 күн бұрын

Sunak will hold on as long as possible because he knows his career is finished as soon as the votes are counted. Meanwhile the country is further damaged by his desperate politics.

@DragonsDen10 23 күн бұрын

Lol, the Tories train derailed back in 2013 when Cameron lied through his teeth… try that one 🤣🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇬🇧

@janeknight3597 24 күн бұрын

Did Kier Starmer have to accept Elphick??

@kapitankapital6580 24 күн бұрын

It would have been a decision by Labour Party leadership, not just Keir Starmer, but no, they did not have to accept her into their party.

@geoffpoole483 24 күн бұрын

If he didn't accept her that may have deterred other Tory MPs from crossing the floor.

@JS-ui5ew 24 күн бұрын

I don't think he should have...letting someone like her into labour puts me off. He doesn't need MPs crossing over. Labour will be able to get a majority outright at the GE. Why take on the baggage?

@colincampbell4261 24 күн бұрын

Disgusting behaviour by the blue labour party!

@andrewfanning3280 24 күн бұрын

I think if he didn’t accept her the Tory press would spin it Labour hasn’t changed say one thing do another…

@alundavies1016 23 күн бұрын

The worse it gets for the country, the worse for the Tories, but unfortunately Sunak seems happy to stay. He must be oblivious to the enmity he breeds in people now. I can only assume he is making hand over fist every day.

@dan_b8982 21 күн бұрын

The fact that Elphicke was apparently fine as a Tory MP but now is totally unsuitable due to her previous comments is hilariously transparent Conservative PR.

@ukshelties-je7cb 22 күн бұрын

I have heard that there may be a lucrative deal for Sunak in India if he can hang on as PM for another few months?

@AlunParsons 23 күн бұрын

I was quite surprised to hear Rachel say that Tory MPs have an interest in holding the election earlier rather than later. I have been assuming that with the prospect of them losing 150 odd MPs, at least those 150 MPs would rather like to keep their seats, and jobs, for as long as possible. Of course those in safe seats might feel differently, especially those who fancy a shot at becoming the next leader. I've been thinking recently that the strategic interests of the Tory Party are at odds with Sunak's interests, in that had Sunak become PM and called an immediate election the Tories would have only been in negative polling territory for only about a year, and only as bad as -20 points for about a month. So he would have lost the election, but people wouldn't remember three long years of the Tories clinging to power when they're -20 to -30 points behind. They would have been in a much better place to make a rapid recovery. But of course that would have meant Sunak only being PM for a very brief few weeks, and he wants to cling on to that job as long as possible, as this is his one and only chance to be PM. I have to say the New Statesman podcast is my favourite political podcast, such great analysis

@wamteng3790 23 күн бұрын

They need to mobilise the OAP army. That will save them!

@davie7967 23 күн бұрын

Politicians should learn that if you don’t do what the people want your out on your arse

@mikepost8965 23 күн бұрын

This conversation continues week after week. There really is nothing more to be said. Let's just wait quietly for the end.

@user-cf3cr8ki7e 24 күн бұрын

They love creating chaos for the people of the country ,then start shifting a goal post 😂😂😂😂😂

@pardoe17789 23 күн бұрын

De-rails? Rails implies there was ever a direction.

@davidcoard1978 23 күн бұрын

Compared to the previous local election, the recent one showed a 12.5% decine in support from voters for Labour.

@benjaminwilliams2264 23 күн бұрын

Did it I thought they got 35 % last year and 34 % this year

@tonyalways7174 23 күн бұрын

That the Conservatives are rudderless now is simply because they’ve been rudderless for 2 decades.

@mikefish8226 23 күн бұрын

"The election result are showing you is the country is more in the centre", terrible take. Conservative voters are staying home or voting Reform. Anyone who thinks the Tory's problems stem from being too right-wing is clueless. A right-wing party doesn't increase immigration to the level of decades or centuries of previous immigration happening in a year. A right-wing government doesn't have the highest taxes in 70 years.

@3D_Printing 20 күн бұрын

No worry a vote for Labour is a vote for Tories, as shown above

@detectiverick9934 23 күн бұрын

There`s a real danger that hes going to wait until December.

@melgrant7404 23 күн бұрын

. That's OK he will lose more seats 😊

@jonathanfarnworth9070 23 күн бұрын

The problem with this approach is that Labour will have a very large majority, this may seem good but in reality no strong opposition will be available to create an incentive for Labour to differentiate itself from the Conservatives. They will just do enough to keep there positions but little incentive for radical policies to be put in place. Which is what this country needs right now.

@buzzukfiftythree 23 күн бұрын

Here in Tunbridge Wells the Tories now have only 7 councillors out of 39 against the Lib Dems 22 (Labour have 5). That would have been unheard of just a few years ago.

@craigfoulkes 22 күн бұрын

It was a glorious result.

@Jon-hh3gz 23 күн бұрын

Polls always narrow even only by a few percentages but the shy Tory voters will come out still. Nonetheless, they are finished!!

@nikiaishathompson6023 24 күн бұрын

I recently discovered The New Statesman's online political news, and I've become hooked on watching some of their archived content. Keep up the great work! It's become my go-to source, replacing mainstream media in my daily news consumption.

@billdemudd6697 23 күн бұрын

how much did they pay?

@SSNewberry 24 күн бұрын

But in front of client media, the tories are talking "hung parliament." Maybe the rules in parliament should be expanded.

@Tom_murray89 22 күн бұрын

It just shows how self serving Rishi is being. It seems he’s just interested in hanging on for as long as possible. I hope we don’t go into next year still waiting for a general election

@aleccap5946 23 күн бұрын

Tory party must split between MP's wanting our country back and traitors that don't. A vote for stammer is a vote for an Islamic uk

@torsion7214 20 күн бұрын

Make Zero Seats a reality!

@grogery1570 24 күн бұрын

The Tories are the train crash waiting to happen, a train running out of track heading straight into an immovable object, with Richi Sunak at the front. Since he will be the first person to go splat why would anyone want to get him out of the way and take his place?

@liberalmatt 24 күн бұрын

Starmer (or rather his Leader's Office) missed a trick by not taunting Sunak to keep a head count on his back benches. He IS very dry - even giving Major a run for his money; let's just hope he's just dull and vaguely competent. Momentum, brass neck and desperate-looking psephology make marginal MPs do very strange things...

@rthompson938 23 күн бұрын

Far too late for the Tory party I'm afraid.

@user-ez8bx6ly8v 24 күн бұрын

I believe she has apologised for her past comments and hurtful things she said about people.. People who changed parties and repent should be allowed to.....

@IAt0m1xI 24 күн бұрын

But,but he celebrated only 1 win.

@IainFrame 23 күн бұрын

"The right wing entertainment complex". Oh behave.

@peterlittle42 23 күн бұрын

Where is Anoosh?

@leonbell5141 24 күн бұрын

Rishi’s hanging on the make his wife’s family even more money…funny the same media convinced the public only Rishi could save the Tories 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

@cian1170 24 күн бұрын

Get Freddie out that chair

@davidclapham8078 23 күн бұрын

reform all the way...

@IntelligentArtefact 23 күн бұрын

Fascism is not a solution.

@Rob-uv8bu 22 күн бұрын

Reform uk

@philippajoy4300 24 күн бұрын

A channel with an increasingly confident independent analysis but which tellingly overlaps with other sane commentators outside of legacy bubbles.

@findingbonsneuf 24 күн бұрын

Lost me at 12:45, pretty ignorant statement.

@boogalooinvestigator 23 күн бұрын

Tories will win if they all jump ship to Labour

@beenobo 23 күн бұрын

Conservatives

@S_Edward_Burns_ArtsEditor 24 күн бұрын

Ri$Hi $UNAK #VotesMatter!

@peteratkin3788 24 күн бұрын

Maybe your on the wrong channel? does the Sun, Daily Express or the Telegraph have a channel you can watch, you know they use smaller words and often incorrectly, but hay you get what you pay for...

@geoffreybuckingham689 24 күн бұрын

What an infantile and pointless discussion.

@coppershark1973 24 күн бұрын

Actually if Labour keep making HUGE mistakes such as taking in ERG members they might not get the votes they need. When I can’t tell the difference between Labour and the bloody TORIES then it’s time to vote for another party entirely.

@TimThat 24 күн бұрын

You’re probably not the kind of voter Labour needs then. In over 40 years there has been only one Labour leader that has won an election, compared to several Tories. Thats where the votes are, and getting into power means you’re more likely to get power again in the future. If Labour looks like a government rather than a sloppy protest movement, thats a good thing.

@IntelligentArtefact 23 күн бұрын

@@TimThat Is it only important to have POWER, then?

@anthonymichaelwilson8401 23 күн бұрын

Tories out Now 😊

@ianboag4756 23 күн бұрын

Every week Tory talk...... Never good of the country talk.

@alexanderprice6612 20 күн бұрын

This presenter hasn't got the right voice for broadcasting. Not enough range all of his words sound the same. He needs to go learn the 'BBC accent'. Really noticeable compared to the MPs he interviews who are more seasoned public speakers.

@ZuriArtia 24 күн бұрын

The fact Kid Starver is allowing Tories to join his party clearly shows that there is no difference between the two of them. You are just voting out Blue Tories to allow Red Tories to take over so in reality you aren't getting rid of the Tories at all.

@jamesprivet 24 күн бұрын

Well said

@jamesfackerell8110 23 күн бұрын

Utter drivel.

@maureenstarr5744 23 күн бұрын

Conservative are a watered down Labour no difference our poor country

@dennisgreene7164 23 күн бұрын

I don't listen to anything the Conservatives say at any level. Labour is by no means a perfect response - particularly at locally, where the loonies are in charge, certainly in London. But the country needs a new dynamic, we need to put 12 years of nonsense behind us, focus on constitutional change - we can't afford much else - and on growth. We need substantially better links with Europe. And I don't believe eco friendly policies don't work in a dying economy - that will be the thing that kills a Labour government or makes it.