The Controversial Carcano: JFK, History, Facts, and Myths You Should Know -Featuring

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Battlefield Curator

Battlefield Curator

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Ever wondered about the Carcano rifle? This video takes you on a journey exploring its history, from its Italian origins to JFK. We'll looks at some misconceptions and do our best to separate fact from fiction, debunking the myths surrounding it. We show what the Carcano can be capable of ans even test fire it, showing its capabilities. Whether you're a history buff, a gun enthusiast, or simply curious, this video offers a vast amount of knowledge you need to know about the Carcano; the good, the bad, and the historical.
Featuring theKoba49 Check out his channel- / @thekoba49
Chapters
0:00 Carcano Intro and theKoba49
0:51 What makes the Carcano get a lot of hate
1:53 Italy's Adoption of the Carcano and why the 6.5
3:24 Why the Integration of the M38 Short Rifle
6:43 Carcano M1891 Range Test
7:38 How TheKoba49 and Dan got into Carcano Collecting
11:37 New Carcano Books to get the Best and Most Current Information
14:02 RARE Carcanos
16:42 Why are Carcanos so cheap?
18:25 6.5 Ammo Preferences and Options
20:51 1905 Carcano TS, Piece of History and why the Italian Police Kept Carbines
21:57 M1891 Long Rifle Milsurp from the 1950's
23:50 Milsurp Prices, collecting hobby, and current surplus Carcanos
26:35 Odd Carcanos redone by Importers
31:06 the Controversial 8mm Carcano
34:38 Accuracy of Carcanos, 6.5, worn barrels, sights, and World Record Shot by Ernest Jimenez
42:07 JFK Controversy and the Carcano- Magic Bullet and Odd evidence
46:35 Testing out the Carcano 6.5 Penetration, Couldn't Believe it
48:36 Reliability of the Carcano
52:50 Finnish Carcano M38 600 Yards and Why the Fins didn't like it
56:25 M91/41 Carcano
57:17 Japanese Type I Carcano and Mauser Style Magazine System
59:31 How did the Carcano M1891 line up with Other Rifles of the Time
1:04:33 Carcano Outdated platform by WW2?
1:05:04 Should Collectors get a Carcano?
1:09:21 Wrap up and Check out theKoba49
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@Snuffy03
@Snuffy03 7 күн бұрын
The Carcano was actually a decent rifle for what it was. It has gotten a bad rap though.
@seanbaker9796
@seanbaker9796 7 күн бұрын
Mike is an extremely underrated content creator. He has done so much R&D for the ammo that other content creators reference him without even knowing it. Great video. I will say that The Koba49's 6.5 cast load is by far the best 6.5 load I have found.
@wyattcollins303
@wyattcollins303 7 күн бұрын
I have used his recommendations with molds, powder loads etc. I really have saved a lot of money and time not going the lengths of testing as he has done.
@PassivePortfolios
@PassivePortfolios 7 күн бұрын
Cheap to make, light to carry, soft recoil, accurate, dependable, easy to maintain, and a 6.5 mm round and rifle combo effective inside 300 meters, where most of the shooting happened. It was perfect for its time and mission.
@JerryRussell-cv6ng
@JerryRussell-cv6ng 7 күн бұрын
My dad did mail order of 3 Carcano before the 1968 gun control act. 2 are 6.5, 1 7.35. Have plenty of ammo, good supply of enblock clips. Still enjoy shooting em.
@solomongrundy9735
@solomongrundy9735 7 күн бұрын
I ❤ Carcanos!
@petrisyrja-kokkila7103
@petrisyrja-kokkila7103 7 күн бұрын
Finland bought 94 500 Carcanos and the 74 300 which were still in the books after war were sold 1957. Navy, airforce, flak and artillery troops used it to some extent. One front line bataillon though, formed from voluntary convicts and mps used it also. They hated it and always when the possibility presented itself, they were replaced by weapons which were "dropped only once".
@Pandrnchicken
@Pandrnchicken 7 күн бұрын
Koba!
@markdavis-oi6om
@markdavis-oi6om 7 күн бұрын
My collection is mostly Carcanos. Including 4 with the PS prefix and two with Tromboncino stocks. I bought over 100 because I plan to decorate my office like the Governor’s Mansion at Colonial Williamsburg. I want to use TT-33 variants fir the pistols.
@BattlefieldCurator
@BattlefieldCurator 6 күн бұрын
Wow!
@WojciechP915
@WojciechP915 18 сағат бұрын
I've been watching thekoba49 for ten years now and its great to see his awesome collection and his knowledge about rifles shared. He is probably one of the most knowledgeable antique reloaders on youtube.
@Mag_Aoidh
@Mag_Aoidh 5 күн бұрын
Back in the 90s, me and a buddy of mine had a goal of buying a rifle from every warring country in World War II. We nicknamed the Carcano the “Cheesiano.”
@BattlefieldCurator
@BattlefieldCurator 2 күн бұрын
Lol
@MrJonathandcrow
@MrJonathandcrow 7 күн бұрын
Military Surplus Was Everywhere Back In 64 And Was Fairly New Stuff Bought First Mauser At Wolcos Department Store $19.00
@davidr2975
@davidr2975 5 күн бұрын
Yes , and sears sold them too, that was the good old days😊
@samwilson2797
@samwilson2797 5 күн бұрын
My dad and I went to an army surpkus storr, and thsete was a barrel of guns for sale, under 10 dollars. I said lets get one, and he said they were too powerful. He was a marine scout sniper who was rsised on a farm.
@OldSmokey1953
@OldSmokey1953 7 күн бұрын
In Europe, Prvi Partizan do offer 6.5x52 loaded ammunition (no. A-605) with the correct size bullet (their B-605 bullet - 139 grain 0.268" Ø)
@edwardhawkey5714
@edwardhawkey5714 7 күн бұрын
Hi from South Africa, a Carcano sold here for $130 on auction ladt week. I had hesitated bidding on it as i had decided to stop buying firearms for now. May have been a mistake as we dont see them here very much
@BattlefieldCurator
@BattlefieldCurator 6 күн бұрын
Very interesting, thanks for sharing
@Dominic1962
@Dominic1962 3 күн бұрын
My rarest Carcano is a m38 in 7,35x51. The gun itself is not necessarily rare but it’s not SA (Finnish Army property mark) or import marked. So, it was either a bring back or an early import. There are not very many m38’s that are in the US that aren’t either former Finnish guns or recent imports. I got a m91 long from RTI a few months ago. It’s beat and the bore is crappy, but it has an early walnut stock and I just wanted something from the Ethiopian horde and didn’t have a m91 long. But it was like $150, so that was fine for a wall hanger imo. My favorite is the m41. Mine shoots great and balances well. Got it probably 25 years ago for like $60 from Springfield Sporters.
@BattlefieldCurator
@BattlefieldCurator 17 сағат бұрын
Very cool! I remember we were talking about the Italian M38 Carcanos over the phone a while back, and we were discussing the non-SA marked ones.
@vangm94
@vangm94 7 күн бұрын
Even if I can't find ammo, at least I have a spear!
@user-jw4yf2dm4m
@user-jw4yf2dm4m 6 күн бұрын
People confused it with the 1891 Argentine carbine...hence the 'Mauser' references.
@Dominic1962
@Dominic1962 3 күн бұрын
No, the bolt of the Carcano (specifically the integral bolt head and extractor) was inspired by the Mauser m89. Hence, they are referred to with names like the “Mauser-Paravicino”. It has nothing to do with the m91 Argentine specifically.
@olympicblackpowderrifles3155
@olympicblackpowderrifles3155 6 күн бұрын
Wow koba49 finally getting the attention he deserves!
@BattlefieldCurator
@BattlefieldCurator 5 күн бұрын
Definitely!
@alancranford3398
@alancranford3398 6 күн бұрын
Thanks for your comment on sterile Carcano rifles being made at the end of WW2 and for a few years afterwards. In 1954 the USMC "bought" a large quantity of 6.5mm Carcano ammunition made by Western Cartridge Company--all those sterile rifles needed ammo. Why the ammo wasn't sterile as well puzzles me.
@krandom354
@krandom354 7 күн бұрын
Koba is the man. Glad to see long video content from you as well. ✊
@BattlefieldCurator
@BattlefieldCurator 6 күн бұрын
Appreciate it! 😁🍻
@GenerationKill001
@GenerationKill001 6 күн бұрын
Great video. I do not own a Carcano, but anything that promotes surplus collecting is super #1 in my book. I follow both of the channels religiously.
@BattlefieldCurator
@BattlefieldCurator 2 күн бұрын
Right on! Thanks 🍻
@GenerationKill001
@GenerationKill001 2 күн бұрын
@@BattlefieldCurator see you at Camp Perry this month 🤣🤣🤣🤣👍👍👍👍
@GenerationKill001
@GenerationKill001 2 күн бұрын
@@BattlefieldCurator Right? Right?
@jackbeighle2636
@jackbeighle2636 4 күн бұрын
Great info!...Really enjoyed watching and learning.
@BattlefieldCurator
@BattlefieldCurator 2 күн бұрын
Glad to hear 🍻😁
@tacosandfrenchfries4561
@tacosandfrenchfries4561 7 күн бұрын
Great guest
@Kiwibird17
@Kiwibird17 6 күн бұрын
He’s ridiculously underrated and been around for a good long while
@tacosandfrenchfries4561
@tacosandfrenchfries4561 6 күн бұрын
@@Kiwibird17 Agree I have been watching his channels for years. Have a great 4th!
@timblack6422
@timblack6422 7 күн бұрын
Outstanding!
@mikeprice4103
@mikeprice4103 6 күн бұрын
Thanks for keeping it real!
@bruceperkins6844
@bruceperkins6844 7 күн бұрын
Outstanding video, it is such a nice shooting cartridge.
@scurlcube
@scurlcube 6 күн бұрын
Great job. Koba is the man!
@Zapheteroped
@Zapheteroped 4 күн бұрын
The assault weapons of the 1890s... btw - Carcano, according to the internet is pronounced with the same rhythm and cadence as the word coconut, with a little more emphasis on the first sylable. Thank you for the great kbowledge and history.
@hicapclipazine6000
@hicapclipazine6000 7 күн бұрын
Finally. First!!!!! Great video topic!!!
@BattlefieldCurator
@BattlefieldCurator 6 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it 🍻
@stewartgreg80
@stewartgreg80 6 күн бұрын
Owned one in the 70s not bad... easy open site 500 yd shot 10×10 ft sq error 5 ft
@jamesbernat4233
@jamesbernat4233 7 күн бұрын
Awesome shirt Koba!! Is it military camo?
@wyattcollins303
@wyattcollins303 7 күн бұрын
Rhodesian camo. Cool history behind it as well.
@user-hw3yy5ge4n
@user-hw3yy5ge4n 7 күн бұрын
Not to be weird, but it do y'all ever give each other massages?
@guaporeturns9472
@guaporeturns9472 6 күн бұрын
😂 I think that’s a pretty obvious yes👍🏻
@user-hw3yy5ge4n
@user-hw3yy5ge4n 5 күн бұрын
@@guaporeturns9472 right?
@user-qn5iv3cf7b
@user-qn5iv3cf7b 6 күн бұрын
can somebody please answer the question about the 91/24 ts & it being cutdown effecting the accuracy. its like the biggest question for me & nobody can really give me a real answer. I know the Koba himself on his channel spent alot of testing on it but im curious to what the stance is now
@BattlefieldCurator
@BattlefieldCurator 5 күн бұрын
I personally don’t have one but Koba49 tested one of his out and it was as accurate as some other carbines he had. He’s got a video on it. His test most likely concludes that people mistaken them for being inaccurate when in reality they had a shot out bore or they were too far worn at the muzzle. Maybe I’ll try to find one at a gun show with a good barrel and give it a try.
@Wicked505
@Wicked505 7 күн бұрын
Nice 👍 two great KZfaqrs ! First
@alancranford3398
@alancranford3398 6 күн бұрын
How difficult is loading a partial Carcano clip into the magazine? The Garand's clip has to be inserted empty and then loaded while in the rifle, a process used in High Power competition for ten-shot rapid-fire stages; ten shots in one minute starting with two shots in the Garand and reloading with a full eight-shot clip. Yeah--ulterior motive. Did Lee fire three shots or five? One live round was found in the evidence rifle along with the clip, there was a hole in the wall at floor level, three empty cases in evidence, lots of confusion--was it possible to partially load the rifle or is it very difficult? If I were to use a Carcano in High Power competition, could I start with a partial clip of four and a full clip of six without jamming the Carcano during the first five shots?
@grant9939
@grant9939 5 күн бұрын
Never tried to load a partial- but the clips I have used, you'd definitely want to start with the partial... I bet you can but it would probably be finicky
@alancranford3398
@alancranford3398 5 күн бұрын
@@grant9939 Thanks. I'm trying to clear up the mystery of the two missing Carcano cartridges on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository. Six cartridges per clip. The Warren Report stated that Oswald rushed upstairs from the last moment people saw him on the first floor lunch room around 12:23 PM and made it unseen and unheard to the Sniper's Nest where he pulled his disassembled rifle from hiding, put it back together using a dime (that vanished), loaded it with the ammunition on the scene and fired three shots--only three shots--before dashing back down the stairs to be seen 90 seconds later on the second floor. Kennedy had been scheduled to pass the School Book Depository a quarter hour earlier and was running late. When investigators "assume" they make an ASS out of U and ME. The Carcano was designed to reload very fast, cramming six shots into the magazine takes no longer than shoving a cartridge in the chamber of a single shot breechloading rifle. Only three spent cartridges were found and the Warren Commission had to scramble to adjust the timeline and the number of bullet impacts (on flesh and otherwise--at least two misses) -- nobody was timing shots with a stopwatch and current estimates of gunfire duration range from four seconds to eleven. Google "six shots in five seconds carcano" for a video demonstrating firing speed--not that Oswald was Proven capable of that speed, but it is in the realm of possibility that Oswald fired five shots instead of three. How difficult is it to partially load a Carcano? Can you do it against the clock in under ten seconds? I picked that as an arbitrary time because there would have been a finite amount of time to assemble and load the rifle. Dallas police had help botching the physical evidence--the FBI barged in, the Secret Service destroyed evidence and removed the corpse, and reports of strangers in the parking lot behind the wooden fence identifying themselves as Secret Service agents are troubling. Entered into evidence was a rifle, a clip (photographed being carried out of the Texas School Book Depository with the bolt open and the clip hanging from the bottom of the magazine), one live round ejected from the rifle when the bolt was opened and three spent casings near the south-east corner window that had been photographed after being picked up, examined, handled, and then tossed on the floor to be photographed. Even a kangaroo court would have difficulty convicting someone when all of the evidence had been proven to have been mishandled. I've been to Dealy Plaza and there is a large hole in the wall at floor level that looked quite capable of swallowing a cartridge case or two. No cartridge cases were reported falling out of the window. The place was cluttered. It is entirely possible that five rounds were fired but two spent casings were not recovered and entered into evidence. I would have felt better if three live rounds had been discovered in the Carcano. Would the prosecution have been able to demonstrate that it was possible to silently unwrap the Carcano rifle without destroying the paper bag, assemble and partially load it with four rounds using only a dime as a screwdriver in less than 60 seconds and then fire off three shots with accuracy? I picked60 seconds because that is the standard to field strip American service rifles beginning with M1 Rifle of World War Two--the service rifle Oswald was trained with. It's not what you know, it's what you can prove to the jury.
@grant9939
@grant9939 5 күн бұрын
@@alancranford3398 interesting... yeah. How far stripped are you talking? Like taking the action screws out, to dissesemmble from the stock? The action screws would probably accept a dime... but 10 seconds to put together... not likely probably closer to 60 minimum, decent amount of turning... especially with a dime
@alancranford3398
@alancranford3398 5 күн бұрын
@@grant9939 The Warren Report was vague on this but I'm guessing from an exploded parts view that there would be two action screws and two barrel band screws. I couldn't turn the screws on the action with a dime--I'd need a real screwdriver. The barrel bands--if they weren't too corroded. I'd also worry that disassembly of the action might change my scope's zero. Back in the Seventies I looked up some reference books like the link below and determined that reassembling the rifle in under a minute would be slow--normal field stripping is simply removing the bolt. The more fiddling, the more time required. My conclusion was that the Warren Commission had no idea as to how the murder was accomplished--how the rifle was smuggled into the building, when it was smuggled into the building, who smuggled it there, where it was hidden while the sixth floor was being refloored, or how the sniper managed to escape being seen by Bonnie Ray Williams and the other five men working on the sixth floor moved a lot of boxes without stumbling across a rifle. No evidence that the rifle was on the sixth floor prior to the assassination exists, whether the rifle was fully assembled or taken apart and hidden on that floor. Williams ate lunch in the sniper's nest and left an empty bottle, a cigarette pack, and the remains of his lunch in a bag on a box in the sniper's nest. Williams was seen but not identified by witnesses in Dealey Plaza. Making up silly and unprovable stories is a good way to lose a trial. What other tools were present on the sixth floor when police swarmed all over the place? In my experience, the floor crew would have needed tools. A typical tool set would have had a screwdriver or two to keep the power saw adjusted. How police missed these tools is a mystery--unless the tools had been removed from the sixth floor to avoid theft. personal.stevens.edu/~gliberat/carcano/parts.html
@Dominic1962
@Dominic1962 3 күн бұрын
They aren’t that hard to load into the gun partially. The follower pushes the rounds where they need to go and it all locks up the same. It’s a bit more finicky just because you have the rounds rolling and rattling around in the clips.
@robcarter167
@robcarter167 7 күн бұрын
This guy looks like if Pete Davidson was a bearded gun collecting uncle.
@bfgivmfith
@bfgivmfith 7 күн бұрын
I have two, and really appreciatte the knowledge you two shared. Thank you.
@BattlefieldCurator
@BattlefieldCurator 6 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching! 😁🍻
@christopherhubert1938
@christopherhubert1938 7 күн бұрын
One of the collaborations I have been waiting for! Do not make this the last one, gentlemen!
@timothypeterson1903
@timothypeterson1903 5 күн бұрын
Why show the wrong model carcano in the thumbnail?
@BattlefieldCurator
@BattlefieldCurator 2 күн бұрын
We’re discussing all Carcanos
@stewartgreg80
@stewartgreg80 6 күн бұрын
can i go now??
@RME1911
@RME1911 7 күн бұрын
This is awesome, both of some of my favorite channels doing a collab. Right on 👍
@BattlefieldCurator
@BattlefieldCurator 6 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it 😁🍻
@Youdoneedmyname
@Youdoneedmyname 7 күн бұрын
Yep! A lone guy in the book depository. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 Yep, that’s how it happened. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@kalashnikov4784
@kalashnikov4784 7 күн бұрын
6.5x52mm isn't easy to find ive only found it in PPU ive not got to fire my carcano yet.
@Zapheteroped
@Zapheteroped 4 күн бұрын
I got some last week from Miwall. After shipping, one box cost $2 per round. Of course its a little cheaper in volume.
@Zapheteroped
@Zapheteroped 3 күн бұрын
The shots MADE BY OSWALD are easily do-able, even with a pos Carcano topped with a crappy scope. I'm blind in one eye and can make those shots with my Carcano, using its iron sights. Whether or not a second shooter was involved, the Oswald shots were easy ones.
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