Didn't you understand the Lord's Great Intercessory Prayer all about Jesus inviting his own followers and disciples to invite them to become just like himself and like his Father God. That truth that his followers and disciples can become one just like he and the Father are also one with each other was taught in the Lord's Great Intercessory Prayer.. The Lord invited his own disciples and followers to enter into a joint relationship with himself and with his Father God who sent him. That was God's plan or Jesus would not have given that prayer if it was not possible for own disciples and his followers to become like himself and like God." 22. And thy glory which thou gavest me, I have GIVEN THEM, that they may be ONE, even as WE are ONE. So you are teaching incorrectly from the scriptures. If you believe that God the Father cannot share his glory with anyone just like he shared his glory with his own Son. So you're not in harmony with the teachings of Christ if you believe God can't exalt any of his saints even though 1 Peter 5:6 tells you that he does exalt his own saints.

I find it funny that so many people can only attack the church, but they have no legitimate attack against the Book of Mormon. The odd thing is that the church tradition isn't really even harmonious with the teachings of the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon actually is harmonious with the Bible. So yeah I would say if a contradicts the Bible, then it contradicts the Book of Mormon. Tradition is always going to lose against the written word. It's a shame that we get so comfortable in that tradition, and we forget to reference back to what was written to check ourselves.

@lordofthedrumz Is there any evidence of the book of mormon even preaching about the same God as the Bible does? Or of the book even existing before J. Smith? Or is their record of the native people of the Americas recording Jesus or the Great battles that happened or the people mentioned Lehi, Jacob, Enos, Omni, Helaman, Nephi etc.. when you consider how well men documented God and Jesus and the prophets of of Jesus, I and hundreds of historians find it odd that no document or journal was ever recorded in the Americas. Especially odd when you consider how well native Americans kept journal and well they pass down stories. Here's a fact, The book of mormon has 268k written down words. Between the time Joseph "saw" Moroni and the time he "translated" the plates took 6 years. The Harry Potter series has 1.1 million written down words that spans through a 10 year time period. The Mormon angle is that "there's no way this book was written by a man" my response to that is read the Harry Potter series.This book and religion is a fiction tale that Joseph Smith fabricated with inspiration language from the bible. His history of being the town liar and treasure hunting conniving guru makes any of his tales not trustworthy. His promise from the beginning was wealth/sex/become a god (REF history of the church volumes 1-7). Some of Satan's oldest promises. (REF: Mormon Money/Illinois State Marriage records). This church promises you Godhood but only if you pay your way with dollars $, no tithing=no temple=no celestial kingdom. This church and their teaching will not save you, the 571 doctrine changes by leadership that don't apply to this book further show their detachment from Jesus teaching (REF: BYUstudies.edu). They're constantly evolving for the idea that they'll persuade you for their own wealth building scheme which right now sits at a $49 billion value (REF: U.S SEC). Jesus warned us that people would come and preach a different word than his (REF: Ezekiel 13, Deut 18, Jeremiah 14, Jeremiah 23, Luke 6, Mathew 24, Math 16, 2Tim 4, Acts 20, 2Peter 3, John 4, Math 7, Titus 1, Rev 22) Only Jesus can save you and you will be saved if you believe in him. That much he has promised from his beginning, The same he promised when he was nailed to the cross, The same he promises today (REF Romans 11)

@@brennongolding3987 read the book and you'll see if there is any evidence that it preaches the same God. I will let the book speak for itself. Your attacks are as predicted on the publisher and the church. Attack the text, and then we can speak perhaps if you aren't too hardened and a waste of time. God have mercy.

The church is true.

Ah - sorry for the confusion... Not LDS! We're Evangelicals living in Utah, and make these videos to help Latter-day Saints better understand the Christian faith. Rewatching the beginning of the video - that is not clear AT ALL ha... Should have included a line about that somewhere.

How is Heiser’s view sensational? Is Paul’s “ “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high place” These are the things we fight against not man. Is Paul sensational.? Heiser’s view is re exposing the true Enemy and from the above verse they are not just angels. The Bible starts with heavenly things and ends with heavenly things. It’s important, in understanding evil and how real these things are in heaven and on earth.

@@bobthomas1536 RC Sproul has a great video about Gen 6. I disagree with him on a number of views but the guy was a fantastic Bible student and teacher. Also, Masterpiece Bible has an excellent breakdown of Gen 6.

@@truthbebold4009 I’ve seen it, the masterpiece video. I thought it was a good explanation but not the best. The Seth version just has too many problems.

I was trying to understand what Jewish people actually believe more than what evangelicals say they do and watched a lot of Rabbi Tovi Singer. He seems to have a similar views but who knows what is actually correct.

Several assumptions here - 1. Why must the "Council in heaven" be of humans? I believe that Psalm 89 references a kind of "heavenly council," but don't think the beings which comprise that council are human. (Check out the video in the pinned comment for a defense of that) 2. What about this indicates we are "gods in embryo"? The term "elohim" can be used broadly-for God, for heavenly beings, or for human rulers. The use of that term by itself certainly doesn't mean that we all have divine potential... The text says nothing of the sort. 3. Where does this text say our potential is limitless? On the contrary - this text is about these beings not fulfilling those *limited* roles they were given by God. God is still supreme in Psalm 82-and the heavenly beings are NOT like Him. What did you think of my John 10 argument? Would love to hear your thoughts on that!

was about to comment something to this affect myself nice to see you beat me to it. and in John 10 it seems like Jesus was almost fighting GLM interpretation when he spoke because if it was mocking then was he himself to be mocked by the Jews who where warned to not make themselves as god which would mean that this wouldn't solve the issue of Jesus saying that he is the Son of God. Cause it seem that the Jews at the time had this same interpretation which can be read in the line "being a man, makest thyself God." But Jesus does not deny he himself being a man but says "Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?".

@@twipo912You’re right.

I think it's insulting to God to believe He's not your Father, but just the immortal Man who happened to breath life into a pile of dust which He had formed to look exactly like himself. And even though God was perfectly able to create a being just like himself, He chose to make an genetically inferior likeness. And how would you feel if your children ran around the neighborhood telling their friends, you weren't their real father? Nobody is saying we are God's, just that we are the children of God.

Luke 8: 9-10 God tells his disciples that he speaks in parables so that listeners have to dig deep to know truth and not just be told the answers. Trust that God has placed himself exactly at the right distance away from us so that we may know him without him forcing anything on us.

Yes, you CAN parse out the Old Testament into those parts, but sometimes the term "Law" can refer to > A specific commandment > The Pentateuch > The entire Tanakh > God's summary instruction (Also - we have some manuscripts of the Pentateuch from *before* the time of Christ...meaning it wasn't substantially altered like that after the days of Jesus.)

I never thought of it in that way but makes a ton of sense thanks for the comment. I am also a member of the church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints and this video showed up and I was going to comment my views thank you for doing the same. But even if you are wrong about parts being lost I still think that what was said by Jesus almost fights against GLM interpritaion.

Here is what I said in another comment (and in John 10 it seems like Jesus was almost fighting GLM interpretation when he spoke because if it was mocking then was he himself to be mocked by the Jews who where warned to not make themselves as god which would mean that this wouldn't solve the issue of Jesus saying that he is the Son of God. Cause it seem that the Jews at the time had this same interpretation which can be read in the line "being a man, makest thyself God." But Jesus does not deny he himself being a man but says "Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?".)

@GLM sure we have copies of the Pentateuch that predate Jesus, care to provide links to them and show how magnificently unaltered they are?

​@@BrianTerrill I'm referencing fragments and sections from the Dead Sea Scrolls (if you're legitimately interested - you can see scans of them here: www.deadseascrolls.org.il/explore-the-archive) There's a substantial number of sections from the Pentateuch in the DSS. We also have early copies of the Greek Old Testament, PLUS the Samaritan Pentateuch (and then, obviously, the Masoretic text)-all of which are separate textual witnesses managed by different religious groups. And yet in none of these do we find that phrase in the Pentateuch.

Acts 12: 22-23 comes to mind

​​@@Marisa-yf1vcThat scripture talks about people not giving God the glory. One could think he potentially can become a God and still give God the glory. These men who have made GLM could be dabbling in priestcraft as they get paid to do these videos as well as being pastors. Who is to say that one gives the glory to God and one does not? Maybe these men do not give God the glory?

@@seekingtruthinallthings3969 did you read why God poured out His wrath in Acts 12:22-23?

​@@Marisa-yf1vcbecause they did not give God the glory, correct?

@@Marisa-yf1vc I am confused. It says nothing about Harod wanting to become a God. It says nothing about eternal hell fire and damnation in these verses.

The Father spoke from the Heavens during the baptism of Jesus. Jesus prayed to the father several times in the bible. There’s no way He prayed to Himself. Jesus is a separate personage and the Father is also a separate personage. You’re therefore wrong.

@@latter-daysaintbatman2679 If you are seriously seeking truth then study the doctrine of the Trinity by simply searching for Voddie Baucham, James White, or Jeff Durbin and Trinity. There is one God with three aspects.

​@@latter-daysaintbatman2679 Trinity (tri- meaning 3) means God is One but formed by 3 parts (persons). God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. They are Not each other, they are different persons, but they are all God.

thank you. It makes sense

The bible never teaches us that we are literal child of God, instead we became children of God because of Faith. Don't compare God as if human like us. God is not a man like us as what the bible says. He's not a man like us who can make human babies through offspring. your logic seems out of context in the bible. and the "US" in Genesis refers to God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. They were there since the beginning of everything that's why they are eternal God. John 1:1 proves that. Jesus was there before the beginning.

The “gods” in Psalm 82 are already accused of ruling unjustly over others. If this was the premortal state, then who exactly would you have been ruling over?

@@kenjonk8za I don't disagree with you. Jesus was there from the very beginning, but that doesn't mean Jesus and God the Father are one person. That notion is a vestage of the Catholic Church and their struggles against paganism.

@@BNichols021 Perhaps you're right about Psalm 82. Now explain Genesis.