It is no longer about who is considered right and who is considered wrong. God will sort that out. Our responsibility is to try to live by upright values and defend all people's right to peaceful practice of their religion or belief system. If one group loses their ability to peacefully practice their beliefs, the next group could lose their ability as well.

Which parts were not true?

​@@BecauseGrace well for me, here were the things that weren't quite true: 1. The Bible was corrupted over time. We still accept the Bible as scripture, so we obviously don't think it's corrupted(corrupted is too strong of a word). We believe that its not inerrant, however, since it was written by man(and this is also what Catholics believe). And in my experience, I find that church members cite verses/books from the Bible often. And if you read the Book of Mormon, you'll find that it teaches the same gospel that is taught in the new testament. So it affirms the Bible's teachings. 2. God was exalted to godhood This quote that "God was not god for all eternity" is kind of misleading out of context because we believe that God is eternal and unchanging(which is also clear from the scriptures). The quote is likely referring to our belief that God the Father was once a man, in the same way that Jesus was once a man on earth. But this doesn't change the fact that God is still God. 3. You need to obey all the laws and ordinances of the gospel in order to enter the celestial kingdom This is kind of misleading because we don't believe that we earn our way to heaven with works. But instead God requires us to have faith, which leads to repentance, baptism/receiving the gift of the holy ghost, and enduring to the end. And so those are the things required to enter the celestial kingdom. 4. You must complete certain temple ordinances to gain eternal life. This is not true for 2 reasons. First of all, eternal life is the same thing as being in the celestial kingdom, so like I said before, it is dependent on your faith in Jesus Christ, not the ordinances you did on earth. Second, completion of temple ordinances is related to exaltation, which is your place within the celestial kingdom. It's not a "necessary prerequisite" for the celestial kingdom. 5. We will have our own spirit children, and essentially become gods of our own worlds. We don't actually believe this and it's not in our scriptures haha. In reality, we don't know exactly what exaltation will be like. But anyway overall, I thought this video was actually really accurate to what we believe(considering it's from an evangelical perspective), which was a pleasant surprise.

To me, that doesn't mean the truth claims on the church are wrong. Just means that there were some people in high up positions that made some mistakes. It's easy to throw out the baby with the bath water when you base your belief on history rather than Jesus. I was also taught that Joseph was looking directly at the plates, but I also learned that he may have used a stone. Maybe you were taught differently, but I knew about these things as a young kid.

did you do secrect secondbanointing election made sure?

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My test comment did not disappear, so I can only assume that my comment proving the the peep stone story was purposefully hidden was purposefully hidden. Please don't tell me that you are hiding factual information and that this was somehow a mistake (maybe a problem with the KZfaq app, I hope). Please tell me that you are honest.

@@GwPoKo Are comments with links automatically deleted?

As a former mormon, these are very basic and mainstream beliefs. Nothing unenxpected here. As a side note: the creator of this video is mormon (despite the use of the cross behind him).

@@Morstorpodthey’re actually not Mormons. It’s a channel dedicated to evangelizing to Mormons.

@@Liberator54321 Thank you for the correction. This is the only video of theirs I have seen, and I had misread something.

They actually know lot more (than even most paid pastors)! Even the little kids know more sometimes (lol). However its true, there is so much more info (so sometimes its hard to keep up with it all). I'd say the same for any christian for that matter. The lds do have more scriptures though (which isnt a bad thing though, as it helps to clarify the biblical interpretations - that so many struggle with its meaning sometimes) That is why so many sects exist today (one bible) with everyone interpreting it differently (thus a need for additional revelation)!

@@nute742 ...respectfully all the Christian denominations are in agreement with the essentials like, the nature of God and salvation. In secondary issues like mode of baptism is where you see differences but we all believe we are in the same church. We are all members of the body of Christ through faith. GLM did a nice video on the christian denominations, you might like seeing it! If someone lived during the time of Jesus Christ and wrote about it, we would embrace it and read it and use it. There are over 5000 Greek manuscripts and 10,000 Latin manuscripts of the New Testament writings. It's a reliable source of historical documents written by eye witnesses and other witnesses of the super natural events during the time of Jesus. That's why we embrace the Bible. The problem with the additional LDS scriptures is there are no manuscripts to show they were written 600BC or even in the 1st or 2nd century. It might not seem like a big deal, but it is for a mainstream christian. The Gospel of Thomas or Mary are not in the Bible because we can clearly see they were written 400 years or more after the life of Christ, so they are not included. Not because they don't speak of Jesus, but because they are not written by the person and they weren't widely disseminated among the early church. The thousands of manuscripts are evidence of this. It's my intention to share with you why mainstream christians might not agree with your comment on scriptures. I don't want to offend in any way. So, I hope my information is informative.

Not a Bible, the Bible

Remember those words you wrote when you are on your death bed...

Jesus embraces all that believe in him...

It's all make believe don't worry so much about it.

If someone calls themself a Christian and gets confused by what is presented in this video, they need to actually read the Bible instead of using it as a paper weight.

@@UTubeQu1che551 yes and no. Possibly for a Christian, strong in their faith, and has been walking with Christ for a while, but what if you had a babe in Christ, new to the faith, looking on YT for Christian teachings? They come across something that seems to promote something else, and then confusion happens.

Glad it was helpful!

I agree! If they truly have a “spokesperson for God” on this earth (their president) why haven’t they fixed the problems with the Bible?

Ummmm...... my Quad literally has the JST in the Bible. It's not tucked away. Nothing in the church is tucked away. You people always throw lies to support your opinions.

we reference it all the time! i assume we just don’t hype it up because christians who don’t understand the context of Rev 22:18

@@curtisdecker3175I’m not suggesting that it’s inaccessible, only that it’s not used as often as you would expect given that it would provide demonstrable examples of where the plain and precious truths were lost. From the many times I have talked to LDS, the JST was rarely used or brought up.

@@Peyton1820just speaking from my experience with LDS, I’m not saying you don’t use it internally.

Or Christianity.

There are some similarities. Is that a bad thing? You state it as if this is a gotcha. There are also a lot of differences.

@@tylerahlstrom4553 It's a well worn path.

‭Galatians 1:7-8 ESV‬ [7] not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. [8] But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.

I pray your heart is open to their message. the LDS doctrine is the most christ-like doctrine there is!

​@@Peyton1820um, um ...no.

It is no longer about who is considered right and who is considered wrong. God will sort that out. Our responsibility is to try to live by upright values and defend all people's right to peaceful practice of their religion or belief system. If one group loses their ability to peacefully practice their beliefs, the next group could lose their ability as well.

Rugby, you are exactly right if you don’t believe God is in control. Either you do not read the Bible or you believe in something other than the Bible or you do not understand what God is saying in the Bible. For argument’s sake where did you read in the Bible it says that God is going to sort it all out? So then in that case we can do whatever we choose because it won’t make any difference in the end. For you to believe what you said, you are doing the exact same thing that Adam and Eve did in the Garden of Eden, you are believing the lie of Satan. I would like to remind you how did that work out when they believed when he told them they will become as god and don’t listen to what God told them, it was because of there sin that you now are believing the same lie that God is not in control and that God did not give us an exact blueprint to follow and if we do not follow it we WILL be lost forever, there will be no guess work for God. He will not be going enny meeny miny moe, when a person dies, they are either Heaven bound or they WILL be going to the other place and they will be lost forever with no hope ever. Look this is not what I want to happen to anyone, I want everyone to be in Heaven with me and the wonderful thing about this is that there will be no excuse because it is a gift of God, He is giving you the way to Heaven for free. We do not have to work for it.

@@robertrlkatz6890 You made a number of assumptions here. What religion do you assume I follow? And do you honestly believe that God doesn't have the power to sort out all the confusion and strife seen here on earth?

@@rugby4lifenone615 Mr Rugby, It does not make any difference what religion you are or believe in because of what you said would tell me that whatever it is it is not Christian. To be a Christian is someone that believes Gods Word the Bible and believes what He tells us. The Bible does not say that we can just wait and see what happens after we die, it constantly warns us not to procrastinate. There are many verses of the Bible that give urgency to being saved NOW. 2 Corinthians 6:2 “Behold now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of Salvation.” After we die it is far to late, if we did not get Saved on Earth there will not be any sorting out after we die. The only place for those would be to the place of burning and that will have no end. There will not be any sorting out. Tomorrow is to late! Many religions call themselves Christian but they are not Christian, they are in name only. These are not my words the Bible is very plain in what makes a Christian.

It does not make any difference what religion you are or believe in because of what you said would tell me that whatever it is it is not Christian. To be a Christian is someone that believes Gods Word the Bible and believes what He tells us. The Bible does not say that we can just wait and see what happens after we die, it constantly warns us not to procrastinate. There are many verses of the Bible that give urgency to being saved NOW. 2 Corinthians 6:2 “Behold now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of Salvation.” After we die it is far to late, if we did not get Saved on Earth there will not be any sorting out after we die. The only place for those would be to the place of burning and that will have no end. There will not be any sorting out. Tomorrow is to late! Many religions call themselves Christian but they are not Christian, they are in name only. These are not my words the Bible is very plain in what makes a Christian.

Having been a member for 39 years and now left. I'm still Christian and attend a denominational church. I can say your response is very accurate. When I was a member, we didn't talk about polygamy or procreating in the afterlife. If and when we did talk about this, we used words like eternal families or eternal progression so it was a bit softer sounding. On a weekly basis, church talks and Sunday school lessons are very simplified. Mostly speaking about following the prophets or following Jesus. I remember asking about why we don't commit to the word of wisdom in the temple endowment and wow! I got a lot of push back from that temple worker. I had just come home from my mission. I was at BYU and enjoyed attending the temple on the weekends. I was in the lounge area and this temple worker asked me if I had any questions. I honestly thought we should be committing to the word of wisdom as well as it was taught that it's not just temporal, it's spiritual. Anyway, I learned early on not to ask too much about things that could make you look like you are questioning doctrine or how the church does things. This was about 28 years ago at the Provo Temple. I'm sure things have changed since then and I'm not upset at this temper worker. So, this is also why it was so alarming to learn about all the things the LDS Church cleverly covers up. Like the inaccuracies of the Book of Abraham translation or Jospeh Smiths polygamy practices. Once you learn about the details of young women and what actually happened, it's clear that it wasn't from God. Jospeh Smith's polygamy was different than what Abraham did in order to have another child to give his inheritance to. Abraham was not going to other families and asking for their daughters. Sarah told Abraham to take Hagar, not God. Or once you take the time to read about the Book of Abraham translation and how both LDS and non LDS agree that they don't know why the characters in the facsimile are not translated correctly...it changes everything. Then there's the Kinderhook plates that the church thought were genuine for almost 150 years. Then they find they are just 19th century fabrications and the writings are gibberish, yet they were posted in the paper as having been translated. Joseph Smith never finished them as he was killed shortly thereafter. Did you know Jospeh Smith was firing his gun back during the time he was killed in Cartridge Jail? or that they had wine delivered to them the night before he was killed. The list goes on and on and on. Anyway, there is a lot of covered up information that has now surfaced due to the fact that so much is accessible via the internet and also from what other LDS members have been able to publish. I enjoyed reading Grant Palmers "An Insiders View of Mormon Origins". As a previous CES director, he had great insight into the teachings that were covered up. I didn't mean to go on so long. If you are still reading, thanks for taking the time to do so. And again, I appreciate your honesty and not being so offended by using the word Mormon. I was still a member when President Monson was alive so I never felt using the word Mormon was bad. I usually would tell people we don't practice polygamy like the FLDS. Anyway, from what you wrote, it seems to me that you represent the majority of what LDS are actually like.

@@BGCflyer yeah, a lot of those things are probably true. But do you know for sure 10000% ? People wrote and reported about those things but do you know for a fact that there wasn’t a lie in those writings? It’s complicated. My sister actually left the church too she was a RM as well. They never let me go on a mission. Maybe that’s how it was supposed to be. But I tell everyone I’m a member of the Lds church because of who the church is today. I’m not a member because of what happened yesterday or tomorrow. I’m in it because it fills my cup today. But with that being said if the day came where HF asked me to leave I would. My loyalty is to HF not to the church even though I love the church tremendously.

@@BGCflyer it almost sounds like Mormonism capitalizes on well meaning people who don’t like to ask a lot of probing questions. Same for many other cults I’m sure. I’m glad you asked questions though. And the fact that most the weird stuff isn’t ever talked about it’s almost like sweeping the bad stuff under the rug and ignoring it. Otherwise people start asking questions lol.

@@Mr.Enigmatik you talk about the bad stuff in you’re past family tree? Bro what’s done is done leave the past in the past. Many presidents were space owners, some cheated with each others spouses. Others were racist. Does that mean I leave America? Hell no I choose to live here because of what it is today. Not because of what it was in the past

Did you believe the doctrine? If the doctrine is true, then what does any of the rest of it matter?

Seems right to me.

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Do you recall Jesus Christ requiring 10% of anyone's income? The blind man, the lame, the lepers, the woman at the well, the demon possessed man, the dead raised to life, the thief on the cross ..........?

@@Elizabeth-rk3do ten percent is exactly what tithing means. In Acts the early saints consecrated all, and two who lied and withheld some died for it.

@Kaydubbbb Ananias and Sapphira were not struck dead for not tithing. They lied about the sale of the property. They wanted people to think that they had given the entire amount. Jesus Christ never required 10% of anyone's income. Jesus Christ never required anyone to believe the Book of Mormon is true, believe that Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God, join a church, go through a worthiness interview, get a temple recommend, go through an Endowment Ceremony, put on Lucifer's power and priesthoods, take blood oaths, learn secret grips, tokens, signs, handshakes, and passwords, etc.. Forgiveness is free. I John 1:9 If we confess our sins, God is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Salvation is free. Acts 16:31 Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved. Eternal life is a free gift. 🎁 Romans 6:23 The wages of sin is death, but the gift 🎁 of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord. Exaltation is free. Matthew 23:12 He that humbles himself shall be exalted.

@@Elizabeth-rk3do apparently eternal life is not completely free, even in verse 9, confession is a requirement. In verse 6 and seven another requirement in 1 John 1 is to fellowship with one another, most likely a reference to breaking bread together. The sacrament of communion comes to mind. Confessing our sin and remembering the body and blood of Christ together. In Acts 16:31-33, the jailer who was told to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved along with his household went home and covenanted to follow Christ that night through the ordinance of baptism, simply believing is a requirement, and now we find out that along with believing, it was important enough to the jailer to wake up all that were his and get everybody baptized that very night. Baptism is a requirement. Romans 6:4 is specifically talking about the baptism requirement to be buried and raised with Christ in a new life of not sinning. Yes exaltation is a gift from Christ, no it is not free of commitment, covenant, or obedience to Christ, or what His prophets have told us.ananias and Saphira were beginning to consecrate all that they had, which was much more than 10%, now let’s not forget that the greatest commandments are to love God, and neighbor as self. Malachi’s words are still in effect chapter 3:8-12. Tithing is still required and not paying it is a sin. Please remember the words of Peter in Acts 2:37-41. They exemplify 4 important principles and ordinances. The people had 1. Faith in Christ, they asked what to do and Peter said 2. Repent and be 3. baptized…, and 4. Receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Then Peter said that this promise ( covenant) is for all people to make. He also reminded them that even though they had faith, they still needed to save themselves ( through repentance, baptism, and receiving the Holy Ghost). There are things God requires of us. One of them is giving our will to Him. Tithing is probably the easiest and most measurable way to do that. I pray that Hw will pour out a blessing upon you that is so great you will not have enough room to receive it. Mat you and your children and your children’s children be drawn to the Lord through His obedience to His servants. John 17

@@Kaydubbbb Ananias and Sapphira were not struck dead for not tithing. They held back part of the sale of their land.

John 10:27-29

@@Elizabeth-rk3do nice point 😊 I would include verse 26.

​​@Kaydubbbb v. 25 Jesus' works demonstrate that he was God. Only God can forgive sins, create all things, accept worship from the people, perform miracles, raise the dead, and even raise himself from the dead. John 2:19 Christians don't believe in the LDS Christ because he is only a created being the brother of Satan. The Jesus Christ of the Bible never required anyone to believe the Book of Mormon is true, believe that Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God join a church, tithe, go through a worthiness interview, get a temple recommend, go through an Endowment Ceremony, etc.. Jesus Christ said, Take up your cross and follow me. Jesus is the good Shepherd. Jesus will never let you down.

@@Elizabeth-rk3do Jesus is and always has been Jehovah. He said he was ascending to His Father and our Father. Jesus was in the beginning WITH the Father, not as the Father. Jesus is not the Father of our spirits. He is the creator/father of this world. He becomes our father through adoption at baptism, and His father gave him the title of father, but Jesus is our spiritual brother as he referenced Himself in John 20:17. The Father Himself did not create the intelligent personality of Jehovah, or us according to LDS theology. Intelligences have always existed. Christ is eternal. So are we all. Jesus did not tell the people that the gentiles did not have to be circumcised to become Christians ( through baptism) Instead the Lord of used Peter, His prophet, to do that. God always uses prophets. While Christ was present, Christ was the prophet doing His Father’s will. It follows the pattern of prophets. Amos 3:7. Moses did not tell us about Ezra or Malachi, but they were prophets even so. Christ did say “ other sheep I have which are not of this fold” Tge New Testament tells us that confession is necessary. In John 17, Christ tells the apostles that if people receive them, then we receive Him, and if we receive Him, then we receive the father. Where are the people today that the Lord has sent, so that we may receive them?

This proves to me that doesn’t matter your ancestory no matter you are the son of the prophet you cannot inherit a testimony. If you don’t get your owen testimony you will be lost into many speculations that will lead you into different directions

​@chiroaldrin1 Jesus Christ said that he would divide people and families. Matthew 10:34-37; Luke 12:51-53; The truth naturally divides people. To be worthy of Jesus and eternal life, one must side with God's truth even if it divides his own family.

Quit being hyperbolic.

They are masonic

The foundation of the church was laid 2,000 years ago. Ephesians 2 In the New Testament, all believers, men, women, children, and even black people have been priests now for 2,000 years. It is not a position in a church. It is who we are in Christ. The true and living God never banned black people from the priesthood until 1978. I Peter 2:5, 9; Revelation 1:6; 5:10; Why don't you worship the true and living God?

Sorry continue it send it too quick by accident getting back to my first pray I dare not open my eyes incase I fell to the floor from this fire I felt within but over time over next few in my early 20s starting away being young and foolish began to become inactive and meeting the wrong people and started to stray thru the years going back and forth becoming active and straying tell you what the older I'm getting the more I regret it to becoming inactive and escaping the way of the world because is weak and the spirit is willing to this very this day I stake my soul on it that the church is true and it's teachings because what I felt as a teenage boy all those years ago tells me with in that pray that joined the True gospel on the face and no man to this very day which has become inactive and has dished the church for any knowin reason in there own opinion what the church is there own thoughts not mine even non members that dish it and don't understand that there choice but have not unless they experience it because I see in my sister and her husband being married in the temple in the 99s and my late Mother that died gone to soon in the late 90s had picture of Jesus Christ in her sitting room and the is my shepherd above her bed hopefully before it is late I can return to what to once believed in and I see it in other members also that what I want again one day before it's too late being in the church for my late dare Mother after losing her twin 19 Year old brother 6foot ,4,,inch in a car accident a active member leaving this earth with jus a bruise on the side of his temple on his head after hitting a on coming bus head on from having no where to go after pass someone someone pulls out in front of him September 5th 1964 in Wiri Manukau south Auckland New Zealand he was in this lane called sucuide lane in those days but no he didn't comide susuide why would he had everything going for him jus making his way home after work also gone too sadly at a young age that's what they only the good die young my mother joined the church, December of that year got married to my Father in 1966 lost their first child in April in 1968;,8 months old cot death itt would have changed my mother after that you would I came along on New year's Day 1969 my mother didn't expect me till late March to early April and faith in the church remained strong till her passing at the age of 54 on May the 24th 1999 I saw a faith in her not of this world and the same with my sister and her husband and lot of others that I have known overtime so I have strong testimony overtime of church of its teachings even tho I'm so lost in sin at the moment and ways of the world I have experience enteritis from the the angel of death in my 20s till the spirit of Jeszbel in my ,30s in my lost loveless marriage thru my ex wife having a child to a gang member I was rapped by Jeszbel I swesr on my soul and my old brother grave S a child and my Mother's and my Father life which he still alive and my whole family young and old I have seen things because I know becoming inactive the holy Ghost can leave you and then the devil can got to you also thru the wrong that you meet that think that are when they are I regret not being active and lost slot of time that I can never get back because I left the Father and Son And allowed things too happen to me which is entirely my fault because I stray but I have been blessed still with big good heart that would help people loan money and never get back and he has given me one thing my youth still I do pay now and then but not as much as I should but with all my weakness he does still answer a lot of prayers that one day before it is too to honor the Almighty and his only begotten Jesus Christ to return to it and see my beautiful mother again and meet her brother and my older brother and all of my family forever that I must change my ways I stay this all on my soul in Jesus name Amen

Use periods mate. I didn’t know where to stop and start

You should not put it off any longer.

You are fine and Jesus loves you. He is who you need to return to, not a religion. Start reading the NT and let the Holy Spirit guide you in your study. We all have troubling times and feel like we've messed up but Christ Jesus has forgiven ALL our sins on the Cross. Jesus word is the simple truth. The one and only gospel of Jesus Christ is found in 1Cor 15:1-4, that Jesus died for our sins, was buried, and rose again the third day according to Scripture. Believe this and you will be saved, and you will have a place in heaven with our loving Lord.❤ God bless you.

@@RichardWright-StClair-bm6syyou carry spiritual knowledge of real truth. I pray that your humility will lead to true repentance and honoring your covenant to always remember and follow Jesus. The restoration is real

We have something in common! I joined the Mormon church from 1983-1989 because I married a Mormon. Typically I was only given bits of info and as time went on and I found out the deeper doctrine like becoming Gods I was out. I only had a weak knowledge of the Bible at the time, but enough to know it was wrong. I agree that you can’t rely on the Mormon god. He changes his mind. The Mormon god is not omniscient, omnipresent, or omnipotent.

The book of Mormon is a history of the teaching of the people. Mormons don’t believe that revelation stops Maybe you aren’t familiar with the evidences that the Bible too has been edited, added to and redactions made. Shoot, it took hundreds of years for people to come to a consensus on what books should be included. It was anything but a clear, clean but process. People today are just as fallible as bibles times. I mean, do you believe women should still cover their hair, remain in silence and not have the ability to preach? Paul Eve told the people they only need to marry if they couldn’t control their sexual urges. Nobody believes free masonry was used in the Bible. The actual signs, handshakes etc have no significance themselves beyond what they represent. It’s all symbolism. I am sad that you are sad that you want people to worship an invisible god. And if they don’t they are going to burn in hell for eternity. Now tell me, who should really be sad for whom?

@@KapayapaanmanWe can know the Bible hasn’t been corrupted because there are many copies from many different people. What this means is that if someone where to go in and change something we would know because it wouldn’t match up to the other copies we have. Even though we don’t have the original documents, the copies made were made directly from it. Can that be said for any of the books used in Mormonism?

⁠@@Cheekychick1so how was the King James Version created?

@@Cheekychick1 the many scripts we do have is what tell us that additions were made to the texts. They are literally in the margins. Further, the texts contradict themselves numerous times throughout the Bible. The gospels alone have numerous contradictions.

I heard it is very creepy!

Jew

@@JohnKimber-tq8yk Yes the Jews had temples too!

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It is not creepy. It may be hard to understand at first but you do learn a number of important doctrines.

1. Why would God’s god matter to us, if we are to be faithful to our god? How would that have any relevance? That’s like asking who is Mary’s mother’s mother? You believe that god has always been, however, logically speaking, this makes zero sense. Something can’t come from nothing. 2. Look at the importance of genealogies in the Bible. They aren’t just random inclusions. Jesus was prophesied to come through a specific genealogy. What makes absolutely zero sense is a god who would organize humans in a family structure, and then after death, say, “haha, just kidding, that was all for funsies, you don’t get to be with the humans you loved and created with your own bodies, it was all just mind games I was playing!” Nobody said families would have to physically live together. Being sealed together is an eternal connection, connecting everyone to the family of god. Knowing who your ancestors are is fascinating. You attempt to pose these questions as though they are ridiculous, however, the only ridiculous ideas are that god magically came from nothing, created everything from nothing, and for some reason needed to create the human species to worship him, but they would never actually seen him because he’s invisible. Right!? That’s totally not crazy talk.

Plenty of people care about your point #1. But the same can be said about the common belief of a God: Where did he come from? It makes no sense that he has just always existed. Christians who (try) to use critical thinking to debunk Mormonism are unwilling to apply the same critical thinking to their own beliefs. And your point #2 also is valid. Eternal families make about as much sense as the existence of a heaven and a hell. In other words: It is all fantastical and illogical and plain silly.

@@jonathanwilliams1641You are entitled to believe it makes no sense that God could create everything from nothing. But you still don’t seem able to answer the question of who came before the Mormon god? If there is always something then what something came before that? And since there is no beginning to the universe then what is the big bang to you?

Former mormon here (born in the church and only left after 3 decades of Full participation). 1 - That is an interesting point of speculation that has no answer, but it was fun to think about late at night. All belief systems have that same general "problem" though. Where did it all begin? Our brains just cannot properly imagine what eternity really means. 2 - A lot of mormonism (and most belief systems, really) does not make sense when you think to much about it. Which is why we stop thinking when things get too difficult. But this one would essentially boil down to: we'll visit each other throughout the eternities!

@@Cheekychick1 I don't know what was before the Universe. I don't need to know. What I do know is that it makes no sense that it was created by an invisible man in the sky who can read your mind and cares what you do with your reproductive organs. There is a naturalistic explanation to everything we experience in this life. There is no explanation for any beings that exist outside of the natural laws we observe. How one can believe in a creator god who has always existed is beyond my mental capacity. Its Turtles all the way down thinking.

Because the 2nd coming has not happened yet

@@codeman966 They don't think become a god is fast like that. You get to work to be a god, not just zap your a god.

What? I’m a Latter-day Saint and we don’t deceive. There are specific parts of the temple endowment ceremony that we don’t divulge publicly, but we don’t lie about it or any other thing. We can talk openly. What do you want to know?

@@tylerahlstrom4553 It's a fine line. You are told the temple is necessary for the highest salvation, but you have to go thru to find out what it all entails...It's not transparent, and it baits people into ordinances and rituals they don't even understand.

I Peter 3:19 speaks of spirits in prison. They were demons who sinned in the days of Noah. Christ proclaimed his victory over them. No one repented of their sin. They are still in prison. (Human beings are not referred to as spirits.) "It is appointed unto man once to die and after that the judgment." There are no second chances. Luke 16 - The rich man was already in conscious torment in hell. When I die, I will immediately be with my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. "To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord." 2 Cor. 5:8 💕 Even the Book of Mormon teaches that there are no second chances.

I Cor. 15 never mentions heaven, levels, degrees, three, telestial, or kingdoms. There is a unique glory/ beauty of things created in the heavens. There is a unique glory/ beauty of things God has created on the earth. So also in the resurrection. We will receive bodies that will last forever in either heaven or hell as Jesus Christ said. Revelation 21 and 22 tell us what heaven will be like. Believers will be all together on the new earth and new heaven serving God and Christ. God doesn't separate his children on different levels. Women will not be sharing their husbands with other women for all eternity. The 'other women' will not be separated from their families so they can serve as part of your harem of women. God doesn't damn people who deny the eternal principle of polygamy. (D&C 132) Heaven is a world of love. God loves everyone, including women. ❤ There will be no s-x in heaven. No one will be married. No need to procreate. Believers will be married to Jesus Christ. Revelation 19:7-9 Heaven is not about what you want but about submitting to what God wants.

Ephesians 2 Everyone is born spiritually dead in their sins, children of wrath, children of disobedience and without hope in the world. A holy God has sentenced every one of us to death for all our sins. Unlike pagan gods, the true and living God is not married. God created Adam out of the dust of the ground and Eve out of Adam's rib, no wife needed. God is not a man. God is self-existent. God doesn't need food, air, water, clothing, shelter, sleep, sex, or anything else a mere created being might need. Acts 17

That's true, and I was debating mentioning that or not... I ultimately decided to make the video more about what people would likely hear from Latter-day Saints, to give Evangelicals a foundation for interacting with them. Things like that I'll include in the longer-form video I do in a few weeks

This is not true. Joseph has initially did share his visionary account- his own family testify and write about the persecution that came upon them right after. For example, William Smith, Joseph’s brother wrote, “we didn’t know we were bad folk until Joseph started sharing his vision in our community.” Lucy Mack Smith and other members of Joseph’s family also write and talk about this brief time of persecution right after Joseph’s first vision. Then Joseph goes very silent for a number years, obviously understanding and fearing persecution. Then, as the church is restored and grows- he begins to share again.

@@chrishumphries7489 Helpful to see that quote - can you send me the source for that? Want to add it to my ever growing "LDS history" document haha (The particular part that I cut was about the first recorded version being in 1832 and the variation between accounts, for clarity's sake)

@@GLM Fair enough. I know it is impossible to give a brief history of Mormonism without a few thousand asterisks and qualifiers. I'm a former Mormon and non-believer who watches and listens to a lot of mormon historical content and I think you did a very fair presentation. Good work.

@@chrishumphries7489 Can you provide some citations for your claims? Because I think you are confused. I found some interviews of William Smith and he confused and intertwined the First Vision with the Angel Moroni visit. It should be noted that William would have been about 9 when the First Vision would have happened (but impossible to know as there is no definitive date for the First Vision). Lucy Mack described in her preliminary manuscript that Joseph was in his room (not out in the woods) and that he "looked up and saw an angel of the Lord" (not God and Jesus). But this was later removed and replaced with the exact, word for word, version that ran in the Church's Times and Seasons. The fact is that there are no contemporary mentions of the first vision from Joe himself, his family, his mother, any early church members, supporters or detractors. It is years, usually decades, later that anyone mentions the First Vision.

God had sex with Mary? Literally?

The Book of Mormon is missing pre existence, the Aaronic priesthood, the Melchizedek priesthood, levels of heaven, baptism for the dead, God the Father has a body, eternal families, Heavenly Mother, becoming a god one day, practicing polygamy on your own planet, creation by plural gods, God damns people who deny the eternal principle of polygamy (D&C 132), etc..

This is a common error, but the Bible is a history book of the Jews 1st, the Torah (old testament) is a recollection of historic census (numbers), plain history (judges), historic songs of worship (psalms) and so on. Doctine is derived from this and from what God spoke through the prophets, but its history first. Likewise the new testament is history of Jesus, apostles and later on the church first, and of this and the corrections the apostles made is doctrine. At no point does some lay down doctrine forevermore, but instead was either stating history (what Jesus said) or correcting something a church was doing wrong. As for the second, as a former LDS i see how many of these points are usually glossed over or downplayed today, but after leaving i realize how this is just plainly accurate.

Ah, yeah - I wasn't meaning to say there wasn't any doctrine in the BoM...rather that it was primarily historical narrative (genre). I expected more epistle-esque writings. I *do* stand by the idea that the bulk of doctrine which makes the LDS Church distinct from mainline Christianity isn't found in the BoM, but rather the D&C and PoGP.

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True, the Book of Mormon is doctrine first history second and the the Bible is history first, doctrine second. The Book of Mormon is this way because it is unadulterated by multiple translations and interpretations over time, making the doctrine more pure and more useful in understanding God and his interaction with the people of the earth. The Bible contains some some doctrine, a lot of history, some genealogy, and some nonsense like the Songs of Solomon. It is unclear and contradicts itself several times and, of course, the evidence of that unclarity is the many Christian churches we have today that do not agree with each other.

@@Iceman20102010 you really dont understand how the bible works. The bible isnt going from hebrew to greek to latin to old english to german to modern french, to japanese...... The bible goes from hebrew to english, hebrew to spanish, hebrew to german, hebrew to japanese. The greek portions go from greek to english, greek to spanish and so on. The only difference is that the bible we actually have the originals to compare and contrast, you trust a convicted fraudster and liar whose witnesses most recanted at some point.

If you are referring to the early orthodox or catholic church - that was organized a few hundred years after the death of the apostles - they are still around (and many offshoots). There are many conundrums, metaphors and things in the bible that sometimes seemingly contradict. The bible states there would be a "restoration" in all things. However going back to the question (gates of hell would not prevail) then why 1000s of christian denominations? Which one was His church that did not prevail? Which one has "apostolic" authority (like in the days of Jesus) when he gave it to Peter, and the apostles to keep running the show? Anyway interesting topic, food for thought :)

Who did Smith supposedly kill? I have heard this nameless claim multiple times, but if he killed anyone, why were there no bodies found?

@@nute742 Hello? Have you ever heard of the protestant reformation? Where a slightly ‘insane’ Catholic monk named Martin Luther decided he knew better than what the Church had taught for 1500 year, starting the protestant (note the word ‘protest’ in protestant) Lutheran church, reinterpreting scripture and removing books from the Bible, since then, every Tom, Dick, and Harry who thinks they have a better idea starts their own church. Now there are 30,000 or more different churches. Meanwhile, there is only one holy Apostolic Catholic Church that Jesus started 2,000 years ago, still plugging along, still teaching and worshipping God the same as it did 2,000 years ago. Only an Act of God can do that and not country in the world has lasted that long.

The true, original church was started by Peter in Jerusalem ten days after Jesus ascended into heaven. We know exactly what they taught and believed by reading the New Testament. There is no salvation in any church.

@@jlewis8145 You are very much mistaken. Jesus built His Church and Peter was His first Prime Minister so to speak. Anyone who thinks God would build His Church and not see it through to the end has NO idea who God is.

Sorry, but you are slightly confused . . . Jesus is God's son, so they are not one person but separate just like any father son relationship. Jesus is the God of this earth, which He created under that command of his Father which is God the father. And the Holy Spirit, is a spirit that does most of the communicating to God's spirit children, who are you and I. And Satan was a spirit created by God, who chose to do a very bad thing and therefore will never have a body and will be resigned to Hell along with his followers ! And it is true, you will never be a god ...

The Book Of Abraham can be proven 100 percent false translstion done by Joseph. Rosseta stone helped us learn Egyptian by Hewbrew Greek. We can read Egyptian now. The papyri joe had ordinary funeral text in afterlife. The papyri was not destroyed Chicago fire it exists today and wager hands lds hidding it pure scam.

Look up Hieratic and Demotic. Both are short hand forms of Egyptian that date back to 600 BC when Lehi left Jerusalem. Israelites are known to have written in these scripts as we have pot shards showing this. Some of our English letters derive from these as the these written texts influenced the Phoenicians, and the Phoenicians influenced Europe.

Look up Hieratic and Demotic. Both are short hand forms of Egyptian that date back to 600 BC when Lehi left Jerusalem. Israelites are known to have written in these scripts as we have pot shards showing this. Some of our English letters derive from these as the these written texts influenced the Phoenicians, and the Phoenicians influenced Europe.

i looked up pay lay ale. I fake God poof lucifer shows up

I truly encourage you to read the Bible with a humble sincere heart and pray for God to reveal truth from His Word. You will find that there is no way that the BOM can be revelation from God is the Bible is true. Also the book of Abraham has soo much evidence to either being made up by Joseph or given to him from an evil spirit. Any excuses for the language translation being completely wrong are mental gymnastics.

How do I sanctify myself? You said I need to humble and sanctify myself...how?

@@mikhailyaremkiv You become sanctified as you have faith in Jesus Christ (believe and choose to follow Him), Repent of your sins (turn to God), are baptized by one who holds the proper authority (outward covenant to follow Christ and keep His commandments - symbolic of being born again), receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. It may seem like a simple check list, but it can only truly be accomplished when we are sufficiently humble. You are sanctified by Christ, but you have to submit yourself to Him.

That is not true . I've been a member for 55 years. As I know it , I've studied this very thing. Because as a human I want no more than one woman. But I was told and from what I have read , that it is up to the wife as to how many you have. For she has to accept the next wife. The reason the Lord took away polygamy from the church , was because the saints were abusing the right of marriage.. it was never about sex. But love of family.

@@MrRickb75645 1+2=polygamy. 1+1=monogamy. What I said is true, and I was born and raised in the church. If extremists do things for their 40 virgins in heaven, a Mormon woman will undoubtedly agree to their spouse marrying multiple wives because they want to remain faithful and true to their religion. And it was always about sex for Joseph Smith. He ran brothels, he married multiple women half of whom he groomed before marrying at a young age. Many of his wives were married to members he would send on missions. The BOM was made by a man who wanted to manipulate and take. The fruits he left have resulted in thousands of children and women being groomed, molested and taken advantage of within the church. Now that the church has so few members they are targeting the lgbtq community. They need the money after all. Read your Bible.

Because it was a "premiere", those comments are treated differently than regular comments. If you go on your computer, there's a button on the top right part of the screen that says "show chat replay." That has all the comments on it.

Yes but if you can swollen the bible, why not and the more fun fanfic. Chapter 50: The Taste of Magic

Early Christians did not practice masonic temple rituals. Early Christians were thrown out of temples. (Acts 3-4) Sitting on President Biden's chair doesn't make you the President. Imagine standing before God and saying, "Joseph Smith, Satan, and the Doctrine and Covenants said that I could become a god one day. Joseph Smith said that I could have my own harem of women on my own planet?" "So, which planet do I get?" "Where are all these women he promised me?" Then Christ will say, "Joseph Who?" "Depart from me, ye who work iniquity." 😢 You should care about your own soul. Eternity is a long time to be wrong.

@@Elizabeth-rk3do Early Christians had temple rites. If I post them youtube will delete me, Early Christians beleived that Jesus died so the righteous Christian could become a God. If I post the Early Christian references You tube will delete it.

Jesus’s teachings were all works based as well. It was Protestants who misinterpreted some later teachings from Paul and built their entire belief systems around that. Read Matt 5:20 and 7:21. What was Jesus trying to say there?

@@tylerahlstrom4553 Jesus was not talking about salvation...rather how to be blessed...it actually helps to read context.

@@tylerahlstrom4553 he wasn't talking about salvation in Matthew five and seven.

If you don't believe any of that, are you Christian?

Revelation 2:17He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

@@Pushaving Deuteronamy 3/64 Sayeth the Lord wilst breath new language in they heart for bearath in house of the lord.

It seems very clear to me (an ex JW) that Mormonism was created by a 14 year old boy, because everything seems to be centered around sex.

Revelation 2:17He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

Explain Romans 8:16-18 to me. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. 18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

Joseph Smith’s movement generated dozens and dozens of fringe movements too, you know. Are you not aware of the many, many Mormon-adjacent churches?

@@McGheeBentle Smith didn't create a movement. He established one Church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. It isn't part of a mass of denominations. And it is singularly to whom the video and others refer when they speak of "Mormonism". LDS members don't recognize any divine authority outside the LDS Church.

@@McGheeBentle Are you admitting that traditional Christianity is a hoax? God established The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints thru Joseph Smith.

@@jeffwilson4693 I’m saying that your logic of “The fact that there are so many splinter groups and denominations in traditional Christianity is evidence that traditional Christianity is not God’s true church” is flawed because there are also many splinter groups and denominations within Mormonism.

@@McGheeBentle There is no true Church in traditional Christianity. They are all established by different men according to their varied interpretations of the Bible. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints was restored by God the Father, his Son Jesus Christ, and a concourse of Angels thru Joseph Smith. Whoever left the true Church are no different than those who ceased to follow Jesus Christ.

Sorry but the LDS is a false church and indeed is not Christian.

I agree that religious bigotry should be avoided. I’m sure we can agree that Jesus would not want us to be at each others throats. But mainstream Christian beliefs and Latter-day Saint beliefs are so different that it’s not appropriate to put both of them under the term of christianity

The LDS church is not Christian.

LDS believes in a different Jesus. You believe Jesus and Satan were brothers. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. You believe Jesus was created. That is a different Jesus. Mormonism is not a Christian religion.

​@@ivabuttitchyou believe it the same way we do too, you just haven't thought it out in your head 100%.

The trinity doctrine is soft-atheism

@@GwPoKo Well said. It's like this joke kzfaq.info/get/bejne/sMWjdZV0sLHJlnU.htmlsi=Zby-jPyjI6YlVRgj It's a nothing nowhere thing. I would never worship an It. How could I love something that I'm nothing like? I don't want to merge back into my creator. Or just blow trumpets at it.

While the trinity is false, I wouldn't say the atheists are totally right...

What are you talking about? He very carefully lays out facts everyone agrees on and assesses it.