The Countercultural Rebellion of Reciting Creeds in an Age of Expressive Individualism,

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2 ай бұрын

Dr. Carl Trueman joins the podcast to talk about how the notion of human identity has changed over the course of modern history from an external source (your family, name, vocation) to an internal source (your feelings and sexual preferences). He also comments on the important role ancient Christian creeds play in fighting against the “expressive individualism” of our modern culture.
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@erhardtharris8727 2 ай бұрын

"I tend to think when/as I write." Yeah, I can relate.

@Anabee3 2 ай бұрын

Ha! I was thinking the same exact thing when he said that. I have to pre-limit myself bc otherwise the response from the recipient is something like "Thank you for the NOVEL". 😅. Yeah..I get carried away.

@gailpurcell1649 2 ай бұрын

I grew up in a church where we recited the Apostles Creed, Nicene creed, and Psalms 100. I can still say them from memory.

@lifeinthe80s 2 ай бұрын

You should forget it all. The Bible and Christianity are a fairytale

@LoriDRBlake 2 ай бұрын

@@lifeinthe80sgo away, Troll 😈

@lifeinthe80s 2 ай бұрын

@@LoriDRBlake not going anywhere!

@josephschiavone402 2 ай бұрын

Very good Alisa, that when we really look inside we might have to recognize our sinful nature, and not some inner peace of our own design . Yeah great topic Dr Treman !

@rebekahtemple250 2 ай бұрын

Love Carl! Thanks for having him on!

@twanettefourie3131 Ай бұрын

Excellent! Thank you, Dr. Trueman and Alisa.

@KRashad 2 ай бұрын

Man this is so good! ❤ Dr. Carl Trueman. This current crop of cultural Christianity is the harvest of how expressive individualism has infiltrated the church. Our faith is so disintegrated because we’ve evangelized an individualized or personalized Jesus for decades. A whole generation has discipled into believing it’s all about just them and Jesus.

@bibleprophecy4400 2 ай бұрын

You’re right. Their own personal genie. 🧞‍♂️ They don’t even preach repentance, not even mentioned during baptism. 😢💔🙏

@bibleprophecy4400 2 ай бұрын

It wasn’t “mostly” it was all before this social contagion and almost every single one had a traumatic experience and wanted to get rid of the area that was traumatized. That’s why now, children with Asperger’s and Autism are victims because they are socially awkward and easy prey. I can’t wait for God to stop the insanity. The UK’s clinics are closing down (they’re about ten years ahead of us) because the children they butchered under age are coming back and they’re ticked because they can’t have children, they’re sick, many have killed themselves because they didn’t Understand what they were doing & the doctors knew that and admitted on video but “at least we can make them happy in the moment”. Sick.

@lifeinthe80s 2 ай бұрын

@@bibleprophecy4400 what’s the difference between? Your all arguing over something that’s make believe anyway?🙏😂

@bibleprophecy4400 2 ай бұрын

What’s make believe? You can’t honestly believe that, even the smartest of atheists are starting to say that evolution is wrong then try to push panspermia all to avoid being accountable.

@Anabee3 2 ай бұрын

Agreed! Of all the awesome guests Mrs. Childers has had, he's my favorite.

@AJMacDonaldJr 2 ай бұрын

In our Church we recite the Nicene Creed every Sunday 🙂

@arditienthusiast8384 2 ай бұрын

The issue comes down to the redefining of evil as good and good as evil. All other rules, principles, measures etc only exist to serve that redefining. The feelings thing is just a vehicle of doing so. The redefining is all that matters.

@kennethmeeker6369 2 ай бұрын

It’s a zeitgeist and the redefining of meaning is the mechanism that spirit uses to destroy the logos

@davevandervelde4799 2 ай бұрын

We have been using alot of Dr. Trumans work in the christian counselling training. We need to understand how important a "confessions and creeds " are to stand firm in our beliefs. I am amazed at how many people do not see much or any value in them. Thank you for having a solid reformed teacher on.

@johntobey1558 2 ай бұрын

Use material from real licensed Professional Counselors. Dr.T.has absolutely no training in Clinical Psychology.

@lifeinthe80s 2 ай бұрын

Christian counseling is unethical.

@jamestrotter3162 2 ай бұрын

@@lifeinthe80s Jesus Christ disagrees with you.

@lifeinthe80s 2 ай бұрын

@@jamestrotter3162Jesus can’t disagree with anyone. He’s dead

@theeternalsbeliever1779 2 ай бұрын

Creeds and confessions have absolutely 0 authority in biblical Christianity. It is basically the equivalent of what the Orthodox Jews did to the Torah: adding man's false ideas to the scriptures and elevating them to the same lvl of authority as the scriptures. You're amazed because you believe men over God. We're not weird for believing God over men. That is what honest seekers and followers of truth are supposed to do.

@RainbowMan. 2 ай бұрын

Beautiful!! 😻

@arditienthusiast8384 2 ай бұрын

In regards to the political issue about the older democrats being conservative: think of a ratchet. Liberals/progressives push the ratchet. It goes way farther than people are comfortable with so theres pushback. However, the conservatives act as the pall (the part that stops it turning in the other direction). So the process all together goes: Progressive over reach 4 steps, conservatives push it back 2 steps and lock down the "new normal". Conservatives control what is considered "acceptable right wingism". So even though you started four steps back conservatives set the tone that anything farther than 2 steps back is "extreme and unacceptable" then you repeat the process over and over. That is how society gets to the way it is. You're always moving left but each successive generation thinks they "fixed" progressivism but they are still farther left than ever before.

@user-bm3bo9ov7z 2 ай бұрын

Well said. From past thinking that abortion as a horrible act, we have arrived at what stage of development to let the woman (actually mother) kill her baby lawfully.

@gailpurcell1649 2 ай бұрын

Exactly! We should be on the offense instead of always backing up.

@Curly_Maple 2 ай бұрын

Bingo.

@beki4564 2 ай бұрын

Exactly. This was demonstrated in the Agenda films by Curtis Bowers. Must watch documentaries.

@Anabee3 2 ай бұрын

As a political indy, I see both sides pushing back EQUALLY. And with every push they get closer to the edge of their side of the pendulum. So now there are a shocking amount of people hanging off the edges-if not fallen completely off any level of sanity. I find the both edges continuing to increase in insanity & population. On the political blue side we have stuff like the lgbtqrstia++(idk all the letters), drag queen story hr nonsense. On the red side we have Q-anon, Jewish space lazers, election denial, etc., On both sides we have a massive increase in replacing Jesus with someTHING or someONE else. Of course both sides deny it-espcly those who call themselves Christian. Mostly bc they can only see it on the other side. You know-"those ppl over there.." if not deny-atleast minimize it & add "But THOSE ppl are SO MUCH WORSE". It's a very diff pov to be politically indy. There arent many of us. It's like watching a food fight in an unsupervised lunchroom full of troubled 3rd graders. It's even more so "homeless" as a Christian. I don't follow a donkey nor an elephant. I follow a LAMB.

@frankbevier5001 2 ай бұрын

This has been very helpful. I have ordered 'Crisis of Confidence' by Dr Trueman.

@makeitcount179 2 ай бұрын

I believe vigilantly limiting a teen's time on social media can dial back a) exposure to radical ideas and behavior. AND limiting a teen's time on social media can FREE TIME for healthy interpersonal activities like sports, music, other learned skills with people. Other Activities offer a viable and productive excuse when that teen is confronted with peer pressure.

@redriverwave 2 ай бұрын

Helloooooooo Grove City!!! It’s been a while. Kenny from Bethlehem, Pa.

@elisavintervejr 2 ай бұрын

Such a wonderful conversation. Thank you both. God bless you💙

@joelturnbull4038 2 ай бұрын

Another helpful perspective is that of professor Möller, who runs the YT channel “Carefree Wondering”. Especially in his early videos, he explains his ideas about how the concept of identity has changed over time. It fleshes out similar ideas to these in a different way.

@johntobey1558 2 ай бұрын

Better source of relevant work in Yourh Ministry. He is a graduate of Gordon-Conwell Theoligical Seminary.

@richardsteinhaus6616 2 ай бұрын

Timely, concise, engaging. Thank you so much for this episode.

@thesagetraveler7649 2 ай бұрын

Anyone familiar with the app Alisa mentioned at the beginning of the interview?

@LoriDRBlake 2 ай бұрын

ITunesU, it was from Apple, but they don’t have it anymore. I’m not sure what replaced it.

@laureenrichards90 2 ай бұрын

I really enjoyed this very important conversation and listening to Dr. Truman. Now I want to hear his lectures…he’s easy to listen to!

@HJM0409 2 ай бұрын

I really love most of your podcast. Dr Trueman gets his Doctrine of God from outside of the Bible. Reconsider what creeds you hold too as they change the nature of God.

@jamestrotter3162 2 ай бұрын

examples?

@lifeinthe80s 2 ай бұрын

The Bible is bs. And any doctrine outside of the Bible is also bs

@LoriDRBlake 2 ай бұрын

@@lifeinthe80sTroll 😈

@lifeinthe80s 2 ай бұрын

@@LoriDRBlake I know your delusional belief system is being challenged, so you feel threatened and worry what I say might be true. It’s ok. I was once lost as you

@Playlist849236 2 ай бұрын

Never heard of them until recently. I know many from my denomination that never heard of them still.

@LoriDRBlake 2 ай бұрын

“Them who” that you’ve never heard of?

@Playlist849236 2 ай бұрын

@@LoriDRBlake creeds and confessions.

@jakkistaatmcdonald4555 2 ай бұрын

Not unusual. I didn't learn until I attended a liturgical church

@dabeckner 2 ай бұрын

Where did you find The series on Church History you mentioned by Dr Truman?

@jobrown8146 2 ай бұрын

There is a playlist on the Master's Seminary youtube channel, Dr Carl Truman The Reformation.

@johnbenedict1883 Ай бұрын

Yes, I would like to listen to them!

@carlafoss9248 2 ай бұрын

Fantastic interview!

@justintan1198 2 ай бұрын

👍

@anjalisartistry870 2 ай бұрын

I think expressing ypurself is ok.

@djashovel 2 ай бұрын

as a Christian. I've had a lot of nihilistic feelings and thinking for a long time, and it's worse because i'm Autistic. And since I'm autistic, the way my life has been. The way my life has been. For most of my short life. Has almost felt like a Jail And even when I had My job. I just always felt like my life was meaningless, and it was doing nothing that my life. He's just wasting away, achieving nothing, being nothing, and being stuck where I live. I often feel Julius, Caesar. Because he When he read about the conquest of alexander the great He cried Because everything he had done in life was nothing compared alexander and his short life Alexander did something to get himself remembered forever And caesar realized At that point in his life. He would be forgotten and never remembered. And from those feelings gave birth for Caesar's desire for conquest. And to be like alexander I have often Pleaded with God for years. Or just strictly told him I hate my life But I wish I could live in the past. Live a different life in be like that was great, conquerors and generals and warriors of the past. I'm a history nerd and I love conquest I could fit more into the past Then I would in the modern world I am not ignorant what I say because I'm a historynerd and I know how people lived I've I know more about history than people know about their own languages. I have just wanted a life that had more meaning and had more things for me to do And and not have a life that turns to dust I just know I could have done more if I was given a chance In a different Point in history I just know There were so many lives I could have lived. ( And please for everything holy Do don't say I need to accept Jesus into my heart or become born again. It gets so tiring Hearing that I know my salvation Thank you very much)

@erhardtharris8727 2 ай бұрын

Interesting comment. There is much conquest to be had presently: if you think in terms of your own time management and your own goals. There are PLENTY of pursuits to master and PLENTY of things to desire (for good or everything else). Skills of any kind are developed over time - and provide greater refinement.

@user-bm3bo9ov7z 2 ай бұрын

All those famous or rather infamous people you list that left a foot print on history, desired power and glory for themselves. In their wakes they left behind a lot of sorrow and cruelty behind. Pursue your interests for the glory of God. God not call many mighty. I would recommend a study of the book of Daniel. It is history before it happened and what is to happen. A very interesting biblical history past and future.

@djashovel 2 ай бұрын

@@user-bm3bo9ov7zI've read that book Countless times I wouldn't blame exander for the cruelty of His empire because it He died before he could run it His generals did the chaos afterwards And if people aren't talking about Caesar Let's remember he was a roman and that was already going to Have a no matter what That's just deleting it the Gaul people We're already dealing with the Germans. If they were never conquered by a room.I guarantee you.France would be a german speaking country Also, don't forget how corrupt the senate was. And also the civil wars that happened after his death, that was not his fault Don't forget king David did things like Caesar went during his time And he would have done a lot more if God told him to

@djashovel 2 ай бұрын

@@user-bm3bo9ov7zI read the book of daniel many times all ready

@djashovel 2 ай бұрын

@erhardtharris8727 Those aren't conquests. That's either self improvement or just gaining skills in life That you can use

@wellsm2462 2 ай бұрын

Brilliant. Thank you for making me aware of Dr Trueman's work in the Lord.

@lifeinthe80s 2 ай бұрын

The Lord doesn’t exist. Grow up. All a fairytale

@jamestrotter3162 2 ай бұрын

@@lifeinthe80s It's better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt. You just definitely removed all doubt. God says that you are a fool - Psalm 14:1, Psalm 53:1.

@lifeinthe80s 2 ай бұрын

@@jamestrotter3162do you really think your fairytale bible quotes have any effect one me? All they do is make me feel sadder for you

@lifeinthe80s 2 ай бұрын

@@jamestrotter3162 the fool is the one who believes….

@Curly_Maple 2 ай бұрын

@@lifeinthe80s - What's even more sad is someone who doesn't believe in Christianity lurking in Christian video comments just to be annoying. Have you nothing better to do with your life?

@GERALD9912 2 ай бұрын

Never trust your own feelings and thoughts, we are only what we have experienced in life.

@SULLYtheSojourner 2 ай бұрын

Get Jesus in your heart!

@hannahbaker2856 2 ай бұрын

My husband and I are big fans of Rise and Triumph and actually led a semester(ish)-length Sunday school group on Strange New World. We would recommend some pre- and post-reading if you want to get a fuller picture of how expressive individualism developed as well as implications for how the thoughtful Christian should react: a good history tracing Platonism from its origination through the Enlightenment (where Trueman starts), followed by N. T. Wright's Surprised By Hope. That book is a pretty accessible summary of two of Wright's other books (~1600 pages condensed to ~200!), so make sure to have access to good biblical commentaries because he of necessity does "drive-by exegesis" as my husband puts it. 😜

@YissakarScribe 2 ай бұрын

Your video has been added to our playlist From Others: Exgay Theology

@lifeinthe80s 2 ай бұрын

There are no “ex” gays.

@jamestrotter3162 2 ай бұрын

@@lifeinthe80s " And such WERE some of you; but you are washed, but you are sanctified, but you are justified in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."-1st Cor. 6:11. The word of God disagrees with you.

@lifeinthe80s 2 ай бұрын

@@jamestrotter3162Jesus and the word of God can’t disagree with me because they’re fictional!

@jamestrotter3162 2 ай бұрын

@@lifeinthe80s according to you. It's better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt. You have definitely removed all doubt.

@lifeinthe80s 2 ай бұрын

@@jamestrotter3162 peddle your bs somewhere else. You have no evidence for anything you believe in other than quoting your fictional book. I feel extremely sad for you. I’m grateful I don’t have to have a fictional Jesus to cope. I was lost once like you, when I believed in the delusions of Christianity. Fortunately I have grown out of the cult you’re in. I’d pray for you if your imaginary sky daddy existed!

@Anabee3 2 ай бұрын

33:30> OH! 🤯. I didn't know producing children was THAT important. I guess I should I feel badly for my great aunt for not being medically capable of doing her job-having babies. She sure was an EXTRAORDINARY aunt to for generations of neices & nephews, though. And Loved Jesus with all her heart. And was an EXEMPLARY wife, friend, & pillar of society. So, I hope God was merciful for the fact that she & my great Uncle 100% failed in doing their "literal job".

@user-hi8rg7bl2s 2 ай бұрын

Full of clear thinking! Eg, yes! Jesus welcomed, prostitutes [adulterers, etc….] but he did not affirm their behaviour. He offered them forgiveness, grace, and freedom from a lifestyle that was destructive of their purpose.

@lifeinthe80s 2 ай бұрын

No he didn’t. Your lying. The Bible is fiction

@lifeinthe80s 2 ай бұрын

Jesus was a druggie

@lifeinthe80s 2 ай бұрын

The Bible is a fairytale

@truthwatch2858 2 ай бұрын

I found out that praying hands emoji is connected to Hindu so I write out praying for you now

@beverlydevriesburrows3097 2 ай бұрын

Really?!😮

@truthwatch2858 2 ай бұрын

@@beverlydevriesburrows3097 yes just look it up

@lifeinthe80s 2 ай бұрын

You are insane if you believe that shit!

@lifeinthe80s 2 ай бұрын

Truth watch. Delusional. Grow tf up!

@lifeinthe80s 2 ай бұрын

Your delusional

@melissarains1017 2 ай бұрын

Rosaria Butterfield has been talking about this for years.

@terrypaul7706 2 ай бұрын

That is exactly what is happening whether you believe it or not! That’s what exodus 3.14 means 😂

@BradMcFadden Ай бұрын

Iffy case for creeds, excellent case for KJV

@barbarasmith5353 Ай бұрын

NO! Everyone is who God says they are

@conceptualclarity 2 ай бұрын

Why has Carl Trueman been involved in sniping at one of the best Christian leaders left in America, James White, for "biblicism" as though that were something bad?

@john1-29_aka_LHT-LFA 2 ай бұрын

I am honestly curious, cause I have not heard anything about that: in which way was he "attacking" James White?

@conceptualclarity 2 ай бұрын

@@john1-29_aka_LHT-LFA he didn't go after him by name but James White felt that he was the one being addressed

@conceptualclarity 2 ай бұрын

@@john1-29_aka_LHT-LFA James White electronically messaged him to ask if he was the one they were referring to and he was met with silence

@conceptualclarity 2 ай бұрын

@@john1-29_aka_LHT-LFA this happened within the last year and James White referred to it on his podcasts and he replayed some of the audio

@conceptualclarity 2 ай бұрын

@@john1-29_aka_LHT-LFA attacking the proponents of so-called Biblicism

@davevandervelde597 2 ай бұрын

Have you ever told someone what you believe avtext is teaching. Then you have made a confession and a doctrinal statement. We hear this dumb comment all the time.

@lifeinthe80s 2 ай бұрын

Weak, vulnerable, and impressionable people need Jesus. My heart goes out to you all. I was once lost like you all. I was a Christian. Then I saw the light and realized it was all bs.

@LoriDRBlake 2 ай бұрын

Troll 👿, you could never have been a true Christian based on your own description. What light could you have seen? Jesus is the truth, the light, and the way. Such an ignorant Troll 😈!

@lifeinthe80s 2 ай бұрын

@@LoriDRBlake thanks for telling me me what I was miss clairvoyant. Jesus is the way😅 keep repeating that until you realize it’s false. I would say you’re the ignorant one…I’m not the one who believes in talking snakes and donkeys 😈🙏😂

@john1-29_aka_LHT-LFA 2 ай бұрын

no real Christian can stop being a Christian. You were never saved, is the true answer. I am sorry for your bad experiences you perhaps had. I am not trying to be nasty, I wonder what brought you out of what you describe "being a Christian"? For me, I was lost over 30 ys while suddenly something changed in me. If it was only due being vulnerable: I was so vulnerable in the decades before, died almost, had massive health problems but never ever thought of Christ. I was on the floor, sure I was dying and not even then Jesus entered my mind. Why? Cause it is God who pulls us to Jesus and the Spirit who breaks our old nature and sinful existence to being reborn as a new creature in Christ. It changed my life so profundly for the positive. I really hope and pray that you will be saved for real. I wish you the best.

@lifeinthe80s 2 ай бұрын

Thanks, Alisa. Your channel has helped convince me even more, that Christianity is bs.

@JamesRichardWiley 2 ай бұрын

I am eternal energy in the human form. When I die I will dissolve back into formless energy.

@jamestrotter3162 2 ай бұрын

Jesus Christ disagrees with you.

@beverlydevriesburrows3097 2 ай бұрын

😢

@lifeinthe80s 2 ай бұрын

@@jamestrotter3162Jesus Christ has been dead for a long time. Wake up!

@lifeinthe80s 2 ай бұрын

@@jamestrotter3162Jesus Christ also disagrees with himself regularly. So many contradictions!!!

@kennethmeeker6369 2 ай бұрын

Your blabbing on is what your doing lol 😂 go ahead takes all kinds 🤷‍♂️

@lifeinthe80s 2 ай бұрын

News flash: Jesus ain’t coming back!!

@jamestrotter3162 2 ай бұрын

Jesus Christ disagrees with you.

@lifeinthe80s 2 ай бұрын

@@jamestrotter3162 no he doesn’t. He’s dead

@lifeinthe80s 2 ай бұрын

You all have absolutely NO evidence that what any of you believe is true other than “the Bible says it” or “I have personal experiences “(which are subjective. Deceiving yourselves and innocent others. Very sad

@MrJoeCoolest1 2 ай бұрын

Check out William Lane Craig and his website Reasonable Faith if you are looking for evidence for the Christian faith. Also Alvin Plantinga’s work would explain where intuition is important to faith. Christian faith is not blind but based on logic, trustworthy and thoroughly analyzed testimony and the self-authenticating work of the Holy Spirit. Whatever is causing you such pain and hurt He is waiting for you to bring healing and forgiveness through His grace. No matter how far away you feel from God He is only one step away from those who are broken in spirit.

@jamestrotter3162 2 ай бұрын

There is more historical and archeological evidence for the Bible and the person of Jesus Christ than any other person in history. There are several historical accounts written by those who were hostile to Christianity that admit that Jesus was a real historic figure, and many of those accounts were written by historians who lived in the same time period. The evidence is there for all who are willing to investigate it. But you don't care about the evidence, because you love your sin and darkness and you hate the light of Christ; and you will not come to that light because you don't want your sin to be exposed. You are the one who is willfully deceived, and you are not innocent; but you are accountable to the God that you reject, whether you believe in Him or not. He won't accept your excuses when you stand before Him in judgement.

@lifeinthe80s 2 ай бұрын

Jesus was a narcissist

@lifeinthe80s 2 ай бұрын

A channel that focuses on someone who died long ago and IS STILL dead. Weird and delusional