It makes sense that he’d crashed in the simulator a lot, though? ”let’s try this” BOOM. ”okay, not good, let’s tweak it” BOOM ”let’s try yet another thing”... Etc. And then he’d manage to land more often than he crashed, because he had experienced a lot of What Not To Do?

@@Cecily-Pimprenelle that's what I think too. No clue why others wouldn't come to similar conclusions

From what I heard, there were very few who tried in the simulator managed to keep JAL123 in the air for as long as the actual pilots did. Ending up in a mountainous area was the downfall of JAL123, those pilots just ran out of luck.

Who cares if he crashed more than he succeeded? As you've pointed out, he crashed when it mattered, but still managed to save many lives! People are damn lucky he obsessed over it!! I think it's the mark of a good flight instructor to want to solve a problem like this one!

If this was a possible scenario (they knew it was because of the Japanese flight) why weren't all pilots trained in it? And why didn't they research what caused the Japanese crash?

May they rest in the Heavens. Thank you for sharing

❤❤❤

​@Super Nostalgia pity he's not so good with hydraulics

​@@morryclark7199Are u Jewish?

Did captain Haynes have a daughter called Olivia Haynes

You can't count on luck, but luck counts

One of the most if not the most important things about this is that it was a VFR day, meaning that they didn't have to descend through clouds and set up an IFR approach landing, which would have been 100% impossible. So a clear sky was one of the heroes that day...

Behavior of a bygone generation.

@@mikey_bb "Skills are essential. Luck is INDISPENSABLE!" I don't know who said it originally, but whether or not you can count on it, you GOTTA have every drop you can get your hooks into... ;o)

And the local hospital was undergoing a shift change.

He was a good, humble man!!!

From what I’ve read of the crash, when he was in hospital he asked how many people had survived, and when he learnt of the feaths, he was absolutely heartbroken and believed he’d failed in his job as a pilot to keep people safe.

Survivor's guilt. I just hope he had that beer.

@@eliz_scubavn I've seen interviews with Denny Fitch and his wife had to tell him that some died. He was so devastated he said he cried for 2 days.

God bless Captain Hynes and the crew. An amazing crew. I know the Captain passed away recently.

Thank you for sharing 🙏

It's a ten minute video dude and you want him giving shout outs to all the people that cleaned the mess up? Settle down

⁠@@bradsanders407 dude they are just mentioning a fact that got left out of the video why are you being so aggressive that “mess” was the bodies of innocent people and their lives so let them comment goddamn 💀

@@Imaslutforpuns The word "overlooked" was not perhaps the best. These videos are obviously carefully researched, but the information has to be condensed and edited. It's easy enough to mention additional facts in the comments without being accusatory about it.

@@folioio I get that lol the “settle down” part was completely out of pocket though 💀op was just trying to give some more info

The greatest show of airmanship in the history of commercial aviation by Captain Haynes and crew. No one should have survived a total loss of hydraulics, United Airlines Maintenance did not have any procedure to deal with a complete loss of hydraulics because it wasn’t even thought possible.

​@@donnix1192 And it was a miracle that Denny Fitch just happened to be on that flight.

Absolutely, just watch the footage of the crash landing without knowledge of the aftermath and your first thought is "nobody can survive THAT".

lol why did u put a skull emoji after that you know it means that something is so funny that u died from laughter.

D@@allisonmarlow184 It was, to have a veteran Captain like Haynes with thousands of hours in the DC10 and over 30 years at United, FO Records and FE Dvorak had a lot of experience flying made it a stellar crew. Then you happen to have Captain and Check Airman Fitch, a guy considered to be one of the most knowledgeable pilots of the DC10 in the world was definitely a miracle. There is a reason no pilots ever came close to successfully completing the flight simulation of United 232, this particular flight crew pulled off the greatest airmanship in the history of commercial aviation.

i’ve made a couple other replies and even a comment about it, but since you seem to be a nerd about it like me: while the current solution of isolating the damaged part of the hydraulics line to leave fluid for the functional remaining parts and improving redundancy on modern aircraft, is the most sensible solution, have you ever read about NASA Dryden Flight Research Centre’s Propulsion Controlled Aircraft? really cool research aircraft project based on accidents like this and JAL123 that, while not as easy, inexpensive, and logical as the modern solutions for hydraulic line damage and therefore unimplemented, is REALLY cool. al haynes even got to fly the sim NASA made!

@Experiment IV I haven't! That sounds fascinating! I bet they got some really fun data from that one, I'll have to look it up when I'm not abt to go to bed lol

You should check out Macarthur Job's Air Disaster book series if you haven't already. Quick read and he does a good job explaining a variety of crashes and their causes.

And a situation like this is why they tell pilots did never stop flying the plane. Don’t give up. Because sometimes it matters up to the last second.

@@neilkurzman4907 Yup, fly it as far into the crash as possible. Advice from the 1920s that's still valid today.

Huh? They just threw infants on the ground? How many infants could there have possibly been?

@@bradsanders407 at the time, the standard procedure in a crash situation was that if a child didn’t have their own seat, they were to be placed on the floor and held by their parent/guardian. The problem was that in a crash it could be difficult if not impossible to hold on to them at the moment of impact.

Surviving flight attendants would indeed campaign against lap children, demanding that even infants have a paid seat.

I remember watching an episode about this crash and the most heartbreaking thing about this that the flight attendant recounted one of the surviving mothers that she had told to put her baby on the floor had come up to her and just said to her in a quiet heartbreaking voice “you told me to put my baby on the floor…” or something along those lines. The whole incident is heartbreaking

There were actually only four lap children on this flight, and, contrary to popular belief, only one of them died. Most of the kids on the flight had their own seat. The reason why the FAA only recommends infants getting their own seat and doesn't mandate it is because of internal calculations, and those revolve around the idea that families that can't afford that one extra seat will instead drive to their destination, which is much more dangerous.

Thank God the other pilots noticed the leak and reported it before your mom's plane took off

@@pegallen6983 Exactly! She's never exactly been fond of flying ever since and I don't blame her.

Damn, the people on that other plane are heroes

@@kriscynical I don't blame her either. Nope I'd keep my feet firmly on the ground after that as well

Amazing timing and luck from the rear aircraft. Yeah, can't blame your moms either!

I remember that quote 😂

It really is. Smithsonian Channel's Mayday/Air Disasters series covered it as well and it's an amazing and fascinating story indeed.

232 is the most mind-blowing story in the history of aviation disasters to me. sure, the miracle on the hudson is pretty up there, but 232 is special. it just seems so utterly unsurvivable. gliding a jet (and even ditching, sometimes) have seemingly more successful outcomes than the situation 232 was in. at least in a no engine or fuel exhaustion situation, you probably have all your controls (Gimli Glider is definitely up there with Craziest Incidents In Aviation Ever). did you know NASA kitted out an MD-11 to test fully propulsion-controlled aircraft because of accidents like JAL123 and UAL232? check out NASA’s old PCA (propulsion-controlled aircraft) project at their Dryden Flight Research Centre. I think they let Al Haynes test the simulator out once, and that’s how i’d learned about it. you might find it interesting.

​@@SolaScientia mayday/air crash investigation is a totally different program from the Smithsonian show you are referring to... The only reason I say anything is because Mayday is the superior show.

​@thefactorypilot145 Mentour Pilot covers this crash and his show is far superior to all the above.

@@BobbyGeneric145 Ah, I thought Mayday was the other name for Air Disasters when it was aired in other countries.

He was also the radio voice of the Denver Nuggets as well for almost 20 years.

At least put up spoiler alert first, you are the worst kind of person.

Only?

@@justgranny9601 up to that point no one had ever survived full lost flight controls at altitude. It was a death sentence. And then along came this crew who managed to save over half the souls aboard. Pretty impressive.

​@@justgranny9601 You know exactly what they mean. Out of 296 people it's a miracle ANYONE survived let alone 184 people in such a horrific crash.

@@the_real_ch3 I fully agree with you but to be correct the prequel to Fitch even having the knowledge to fly this plane was 4 people surviving a full loss of flight control surfaces before then. (more if they had actually sent a rescue team) It is still an incredible difference to have 520 deaths and 4 survivors vs 112 deaths and 184 survivors.

There was so much I wanted to add to this script (I wrote it), but had to cut down due to brevity. Seems the comments have filled us all in.

@@MilesL.auto-train4013Wait, are you Fascinating Horror’s back up account or what?

Not an issue, that's when you kick a door and rip a cord.

Isn’t that EVERY plane trip?

Prolly about as frightening as being 14 and eating a bunch of mushrooms then taking a 5 hour plane trip. Not the best idea I ever had that’s for sure.

Probably the feeling behind people with phobia of flying.

My first flight at age 16 was almost crashed right after takeoff when we went up into storm clouds. I remember when the pilot came on and said to brace we dropped over 600 feet all of a sudden, then the pilot got control before we got too close to the ground..... A few minutes after we got to a stable altitude the flight attendants went around to check on people and there were a few tiny injuries and people having panic attacks. Then when the lady came up to us i went to put my hand up to signal i was ok but ...I had broken the hand rail from the seat and i didn't even realize i was still holding onto it in a death grip

well what are you supposed to do? let a baby burn to death? Not much room for courage to enter the equation

@@idklol4197 I can very confidently say a lot of people would just walk away and "let someone else handle it, it'll be okay" While the baby burns to death.

​@@idklol4197​You are living in a fool's world if you are under impression anyone would have sprung back into a blazing aircraft to save an infant knowing very well they are putting their own life in peril. It's not everyone's cup of tea.

@@TheNewRobotMasterI think would have definitely tried to save it.

@@IronOrchid-HQ Patterns exist buddy, sorry to say

Yeah, I think the video clearly stated that. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

Amen to that !!!

Wow. Awesome.

Reportedly, the captain of UA232 was in his hospital room and video footage of the crash appeared on the news. He watched it and asked "what plane was that? No one survived that crash." Then they told him it was footage of his crash.

The flight crew were trapped in the crushed remains of the cockpit. Which wasn’t investigated immediately, because it didn’t look big enough for people to be in apparently one of them manage to get their hand through a hole, and wave a handkerchief and attracted one of the rescuers.

@@neilkurzman4907 - Fitch took about a year to return to work. The others returned to work in 3-4 months.

I was surprised not to see the footage 🤔

@@DukeRaul This channel has had several videos demonetized by KZfaq. Not worth taking the chance since the crash video is readily available with a simple search

They were fifty feet from landing the plane when the last Phugoid Oscillation hit, causing the right wing to dip and the number three engine nacelle to catch leading to the flip and cartwheel. The flight crew was so damn close to landing the plane with far fewer casualties. With that said, all previous incidents before had a survivability of ZERO.

A similar thing has happened at least one other time - Pan Am Flight 6 in 1956. The captain knew of an incident from the year before where the same type of plane in the same type of situation (This being a water landing) had lost it's tail on hitting the water. So he ordered everyone out of the rear of the plane. During the landing, the plane's tail did exactly what he expected and broke off. But because of the captain's thinking (Among a pile of other good luck things), every single person walked (Well, swam) away from that incident without serious injury.

@@andon_RT Wow, that sounds amazing.

@@FinnishLapphund It is! The History Guy did a nice video on it: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fNeCdLKn352VcmQ.html

100%. Fitch was key.

Shock is a hell of a drug.

Streets in a cornfield? Passersby on restricted airport property? Calling 911 to an accident scene where every resource was already assembled in advance? The story you were told is fictional

Interesting points, Andrew. Any ideas as to what's real, then?

@@drdrew3 You know the person could have walked off the property, and the passerby could be someone there flying general aviation aircraft... the lack of gaps doersn't mean it is outright fiction, just that facts are missing.

​@@drdrew3Those cornfields are surrounded by the airport & you guessed it streets.

May he and his family continue to rest peacefully

One of my neighbors survived. I think he may have worked for Standard Oil….

your comment should be pinned! I was going to say almost the same thing. This particular 'flaw' was extremely minute and survived 15k flight cycles. So it wasn't exactly obvious nor easy to find. Are the engines ever completely disassembled during maintenance procedures? Including dismantling the engines down to the core and even disc? I doubt it!

Porosity

Voids in cast metal have the annoying characteristic of waiting years until physical/thermal stresses cause failure. GPUs on circuit boards are now surface mounted using something called a ball grid array, a technique where tiny solder balls are placed on a heated board's contacts, the chip laid on top then heated again to "weld" the chip in place. This was a stable method for CPUs whose loads don't vary much during usage; graphics processors do on the other hand cycle rapidly between on and off. In the 90s, lead was the solder ball material of choice but by the early 2000s the EU mandated changing to non-lead solder alloys. What no one realized was that while some lead solder balls had voids in them, lead's highly ductile properties made them able to handle rapid thermal cycling gracefully. Tin alloys, on the other hand, behave less like metal and more like glass, and a ball with a void would after several months simply crack, breaking the connection between the chip and the board. In 2013, this resulted in Xboxes, PlayStations, HP Lifebook laptops, and nearly all MacBook Pros with discrete graphics failing. It wouldn't be until an industry whitepaper from the solder industry acknowledging this problem surfaced that Apple settled out of court, agreeing to repair out-of-warranty laptops at no cost to the owners (and refunding those they'd charged $600 for board swaps). It is believed that the manufacturers of these balls now do stringent quality control to handle voids, but repair shops reballing these components still exclusively use lead solder balls to this day. Postscript: the engineer who invented ball grid array mounting died of old age before the EU mandate, and never had the chance to comment on whether this technique would work as well with non-leaded solders.

How is it a miracle that humans put their experience and sensibility together to do what they aim to do and also save lives when luck already wasn’t on their side and God was the one who threw the proverbial wrench into this whole thing? Rationally speaking

@@BallHog25 I have no clue what you're trying to say here, honestly.

I find this story extremely inspiring despite the obvious tragedy -- like it shows the best of humankind, how people cane come together in a terrible situation and create a bit of a miracle together through hard work, intelligence, experience, and a good attitude. Laurence Gonzales' book was a powerful read about Flight 232 because it filled in more details I hadn't heard from TV shows about it.

He did do one early on, but yanked it when viewers informed him it was a company with a bad reputation and he never has hD another sponsor.

Also The Goldsboro B-52 Incident, The Story of Jack the Ripper and The Carrington Event, all about two years ago. His sponsorships (albeit very very rare) are also very carefully selected: online history classes, murder mystery games and paranormal investigations (in those three videos respectively) and the information about the sponsor is placed at the very end of the video rather than as a commercial break in the middle. He even narrates it in typical FH-style which is kinda fun. So yes he has done it on a handful of occasions quite some time ago, but even then it was done brilliantly and not for the usual VPN/mobile game/earbuds you see everywhere on KZfaq.

It would be really funny to hear a _Raid: Shadow Legends_ ad in FH style, though.

@@Myrea_Rend Similar to his April Fool videos 😁

​@@Myrea_Rend no, no it wouldnt

They made a movie on the mass casualty preparation alone. Richard Thomas played Gary Brown, the then-new director of emergency services who had spent the money and the time to get every on the same sheet of music in case...in case there was a catastrophic plane crash at their little airport. Two years later, later, United 232 could only make right turns and was coming to their airport. He just retired in 2021.

Yes I’m surprised he didn’t show the picture! Very famous

I didn't even realise this was the Sioux City crash until the end. It's far more well-known by that title than the flight number. I'm also surprised he didn't mention/show the footage. I seem to recall it was known for hours that the plane may crash, and that it was being diverted to Sioux City, and that's why there's footage; local news crews descended upon the airport to film a possible crash.

It actually didn't cartwheel. This is a common misconception due to misinterpretation of the video of the crash that showed the flaming right wing tumbling end-over-end and the intact left wing, still attached to the fuselage, rolling up and over as the fuselage flipped over.

@@verynotreally actually thought he misprounced ‘Sioux’ (and I’m not American) unless I’ve been pronouncing it wrong (I assume it’s said like the Indian tribe)

​@@xr6lad sue?

The crew saved themselves, too.

In a scenario in which the manufacturer basically deemed the plane un-flyable without hydraulics... The fact the death total wasn't 100% is a miracle. Metal fatigue in a component of the #2 Engine resulting in shrapnel shredding all hydraulic lines near the tail...

No he’s not, he was killed in a jet ski accident at a nudist beach last week…you should contact your family….

@@johneeeemarry34 No way he'd ever go on a jet ski. The nude beach part is believable, though.

He posted all that stuff on pornhub and was quite rightly thrown off the platform.

That's my mistake; I wrote the script. Thank you for the correction.

​@@MilesL.auto-train4013 Fantastic job!!!

​@@MilesL.auto-train4013 Not to pile on here, but the rotor disk was titanium, 6Al4V alloy, not steel.

To this day you don't have to have a baby in a car seat esque setup and I still think that's a terrible idea. But I'm not a physics master nor a doctor so that's purely one of those "feeling" type scenarios.

A flight attendant on 232 who survived has been campaigning to require seats with appropriate restraints for children ever since.

Geeze I didn't even catch on that he releases these on Tuesdays. Thanks for the tip!

But now they are riddled with ads.

It’s 7:40pm Tuesday night here. Melbourne, Australia. Enjoy work! I’m finished!

Thankful to have another Tuesday to appreciate.

its an incredible life lesson I wish more people learned earlier on. It's never a bad thing to hear advice, even if you don't take it, it can make you think of somthing you weren't and that can be crucial.

Because aviation learns from it’s failures. And makes sure they’re not repeated. Thank the NTSB

Yep, Colgan 3407 is correct.

They are now ( or should be, anyway), at the time it was thought that such a scenario was impossible. Hence why United maintenance couldn't tell them anything.

Aircraft mechanic here. The device you are talking about is called a hydraulic fuse. They are shut-off valves activated by the pressure differential between pump pressure and the lower pressure cause by a break in the hydraulic line, or when there is excessive fluid flow, again caused by a massive leak.

Hydraulic fuse valves are a thing now precisely because of crashes like this.

@@Myrea_Rend Good to know

The aircraft design had three independent hydraulic loops, so in theory a leak in one should leave the other two avaiable to get the plane safely on the ground. What happened when the fan disk, spinning at thousands of RPMs, came apart? Acted like a giant shotgun, blasting right through an area of the plane lines for all three systems had to pass through to get to the tail control surfaces. No one considered that failure mode before, and so besides improved inspections to catch cracks in the rotors before they go catastrophic? The hydralic systems were retrofited with valves that would detect such a sudden pressure drop and isolate that section to preserve some controls. In this case they'd still lose the tail surfaces, but keep the wings. Enough for an emergency landing at least.

That would be the most beautiful moment of my life

I personally recommend Mentour Pilot for those interested, they are a pilot and have extremely high quality in depth aviation videos. Would love to hear some more recommendations too though!

The DHL flight in 2003 lost all three systems and landed safely, despite a section of the wing missing due to a missile. That’s also a worthy incident to look at if anyone is interested.

I’d like to add that my grandfather couldn’t save the little girls brother. He later went on to attend the girl he saved wedding years later. He still stays in touch with the family and started a tradition where he always visits and calls the family on thanksgiving. Also I’d like to add no compensation was given to my grandfather after the crash but also has no ptsd from the crash surprisingly

This has been debated for a while. Providing smoke hoods adds weight and cost and inspection/maintenance. It could slow down evacuation because people will spend time putting them on when they should be getting off the plane as fast as possible. They don’t work very long unless they have their own oxygen supply but then that’s even more weight & cost etc., and danger due to more oxygen available to fuel fires. Basically they are only useful in limited scenarios and could be detrimental otherwise, but then you have to rely on crew and passengers correctly deciding when to use them or not. I’m sure all of these factors have prevented them from being adopted.

@@Sashazur I agree that airlines don't provide them for good reasons, not just because they are too "greedy and evil". Some charters might provide them in smaller aircraft but they just don't scale up well with hundreds of passengers. Which is why individuals may want to consider having one on their own. Yes they won't do you any good unless you end up in a situation where you must find your way a short distance thru thick smoke. I have read the filtration can last about 10 or 15 minutes. That is enough time to make a life or death difference when toxic smoke can overcome you in seconds. And yes you have to take the time on your own to train with the device. There are other known practical tips for aircraft fire escape and survival. Wear all cotton clothing because it will stand more heat than synthetics, which can melt to your skin and cause injury. Wear lace on shoes that won't come off as easily as slip-ons. Count the number of seats from your position to the emergency exit in case you have to feel your way blind out of the aircraft. Don't drink to excess and keep alert. Have some kind of plan because it's better than no plan. If you have your own smoke hood and know how to use it, I'd say that is part of a good plan.

Schooners!

@@kenosabi Boomer Sooner!