The CRAZY History of MACROSS: The Story Before ROBOTECH

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Back in 2018 we release episode 1 of The History of Robotech and in that video we alluded to all kinds of behind the scenes drama that led to the creation of The Super Dimension Fortress Macross animated series that led to the creation of the Robotech animated series.
This is that story of all the behind the scenes drama that led to the creation of The Super Dimension Fortress Macross, the Macross franchise at large, Robotech and how and when you can watch Macross in the United States.
The (Mostly) Complete History of Robotech: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/p9Z4Y5Cn0ZfOaZc.html
SOURCES:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Dimension_Fortress_Macross
macross.fandom.com/wiki/Super_Dimension_Fortress_Macross
web.archive.org/web/20090813121403/www.animeigo.com/Liner/MACROSS.t#1
blog.alltheanime.com/interview-shoji-kawamori/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sh%C5%8Dji_Kawamori
archive.org/details/RobotechArt1StarblazeEditions/page/n235/mode/2up
www.forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2015/12/10/shoji-kawamori-the-creator-hollywood-copies-but-never-credits/?sh=6c1dd2d63a0f
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macross
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studio_Nue
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynn_Minmay
www.forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2021/04/09/the-decades-long-rights-battle-over-macross-and-robotech-has-finally-been-resolved/?sh=461ae4f51ad8
www.iwm.org.uk/history/the-song-that-ruled-the-airwaves-during-the-second-world-war
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@JohnBainbridge0 Ай бұрын

The only thing more powerful than The Power of Love: Copyright Laws.

@muhammadwibisonojanuar7793 Ай бұрын

Was it because of Robotech that Macross wasn't released worldwide?

@GideonMadu Ай бұрын

Mainly Harmony Gold, but yeah @@muhammadwibisonojanuar7793

@soniccdx Ай бұрын

@@muhammadwibisonojanuar7793 can more or less that was one of the reasons

@sboinkthelegday3892 Ай бұрын

Earthlings can be persuaded to do anything if you offer them enough gold.

@MJRLHobbyStuff Ай бұрын

*cough*F Harmony Gold *cough*

@MikeKaess Ай бұрын

"Is it Guncannon?" 10/10, Brilliant. Perfect joke.

@markplott4820 Ай бұрын

Guncanon is not just for Show.

@mikebandw186 Ай бұрын

“Who would later be reborn as Pepsi Optimus Prime”. I laughed too hard.

@dansmith16 Ай бұрын

Pepsi Man or Machine?

@JohnClark-tt2bl 29 күн бұрын

Pepsimus Prime. 🤔

@nicoleseraphita7613 Ай бұрын

As per tradition, Screw Harmony Gold. The fact that we're getting every single Macross series on Disney + but SDF and Do You Remember Love is great, but man Do You Remember Love is so very good.

@TheShardsFamily Ай бұрын

Fuck harmony gold as a macross and battletech fan Luckily seems their days ate number with a Japanese court deciding the company that hame them the rights never held the rights It's why they settled againist hairbrsined for the last battletech game cause they would have probably lost the court case

@mikeaaron2112 Ай бұрын

It's on Disney plus?!?!?!

@mikeaaron2112 Ай бұрын

It's on Disney+???!!??

@lorcannagle Ай бұрын

@@mikeaaron2112 They announced it about a week ago, everything except the original TV show and DYRL will be on Disney Plus later in the year.

@arashimiyazawa8165 Ай бұрын

@@mikeaaron2112 Not yet. No firm release date yet other than "2024" so sometime later this year. It includes pretty much everything Macross EXCEPT the original the DYRL which is entirely Harmony Gold being assholes.

@michaellang8408 Ай бұрын

OK Larsen, I've got a story for you: It's 1986?, I'm at a convention holding a Robotech Comic book, a man next to me in a suit asks me what I like about Robotech, I tell him,he likes my passion for the story and shakes my hand and says " Hi, I'm Carl, what's your name?" About shit a brick! It was Macek, the man himself! Also met the voice of Minmei 20 minutes later. She was in a Kimono! These are my favorite of the series. Robotech changed my life as a teen. So thanks for the trip down Macross lane!😂

@SomeOrangeCat Ай бұрын

Carl Macek went on to found Streamline Pictures, the company that gave me my first taste of uncensored anime: Vampire Hunter D.

@jeehoonlee5150 Ай бұрын

My biggest regret from college was losing my autographed copy of Animecon ‘91 convention book. Had it signed by Hideaki Anno and “Hal” Harahuki Mikimoto. I asked Mikimoto to draw Noriko from Gunbuster and he obliged.

@Elios0000 Ай бұрын

i would punched him but thats me... would be worth getting kicked out

@chanosocarras8720 Ай бұрын

Went to a Creation Star Trek convention in San Francisco back in 1987. They played us the debut of Robotech Sentinels. I was 12 years old and BEYOND excited!!! Also had the voice of Rick Hunter there. I got his autograph. Pre internet conventions were really cool.

@takaakiyamada5451 Ай бұрын

@@chanosocarras8720 Rick Hunter? Who is that?

@acereporter73 Ай бұрын

Oh, my favorite messy franchise. Meanwhile, BattleTech is loitering around outside like, "Heeeeeeeey, howyoudoin, Mack Ross?"

@EBFE Ай бұрын

I lost my kids and wife after "Battletech" was released in 2018. I still have to figure out where they went, but I just need to do one more drop...

@ElLoboUK Ай бұрын

@@EBFE Your King Crab lance are your wife and kids now

@EBFE Ай бұрын

@@ElLoboUK I cannot reasonably disagree with your assessment 😁

@chrisbaker8533 Ай бұрын

Damn i miss LAMs.

@shinpeiro 28 күн бұрын

I am "to be in ❤" with this comment.

@morganb6717 Ай бұрын

as soon as you spoke the words "... it's the power of love", my brain was already queuing Huey Lewis.

@arnoldmayii3563 Ай бұрын

A couple of years ago Macross, Southern Cross, and Mospeda were available on Tubi. And then one day they were gone. Screw Harmony Gold!

@thedungeondelver Ай бұрын

Harmony Gold is the devil.

@armsman5322 Ай бұрын

the entire Robotech (English dubbed) series currently streams on Crunchyroll. (Was the stuff on Tubi the original Japanese versions English subbed?)

@Windrave Ай бұрын

If Tubi had them licensed it is possible you caught them when the license expired. It's like when shows leave Netflix.

@arnoldmayii3563 Ай бұрын

@@armsman5322 Original sub titled

@KILRtv Ай бұрын

I grew up on Robotech, but the original Japanese versions are much better.

@scottskene8387 Ай бұрын

As a child of the 90s, I am conditioned to reply "baby, don't hurt me" any time someone says "what is love". It's just ingrained in the fabric of my being. On topic, the Valkyrie is the single most aesthically perfect transforming mecha ever designed and I will fight anyone who claims otherwise

@sanictheedgehog Ай бұрын

Zeta Gundam is better, it's transformation makes more sense and has more use in it's respective series. Also it looks cooler.

@crowtrobot313 Ай бұрын

:"n topic, the Valkyrie is the single most aesthically perfect transforming mecha ever designed and I will fight anyone who claims otherwise" or spitfire from og transformers, damn copyright battles! :D But hell yea love me anything thats a tomcat f14 ripoff i mean homage!!

@Darthjim73 Ай бұрын

You did forget to mention that somehow, Macross II and Macross Plus managed a US release -briefly- in the 90s, before HG shut it down.

@coreykirkpatrick4392 Ай бұрын

Actually those 2 are no longer blocked by HG after that last court decision and is part of the US Disney+ content.

@Valkyrie77 Ай бұрын

Yeah, Harmony Gold wasn't interested in Robotech for a while and both M2 and M+ got through before they discovered there were interest and started blocking everything again.

@bumbayker Ай бұрын

@@Valkyrie77 Yup. Western fans were blown away with the release of Macross II and Plus. They even asked HG if they would get Macross 7. HG almost did through a French? distributor. But Big West quickly shot it down when they discovered that HG was involved with the deal. HG knew that Macross was a threat to their Robotech brand since they haven't produced new content since their failed release of the Sentinels.

@Valkyrie77 Ай бұрын

@@bumbayker well, they did make that half-effort Shadow Chronicles and the cheap-ass Love Live Alive recut (but I liked the ending) but I don't know if any of them was successful. But I think the spacebattles in Shadow was really terrible compared with M Frontier, released about at the same time.

@bumbayker Ай бұрын

@@Valkyrie77 Shadow Chronicles came out first in 2006. Despite it was older than Macross Frontier by a year the production value by contrast was like day and night. That what happens when they hired a cheapass Korean animation studio with a subpar budget. Harmony Fraud was planning to make sequels for it but was bedazzled by greed to make live-action movie of Robotech when the first Bayformers movie was released in 2007. Up to now their live-action movie is still in production hell after more than 15 years.

@ottototo8 Ай бұрын

Can't get enough of this. The saga of a saga.

@ceno10101 Ай бұрын

"the blockade is totally legal" - phantom menace

@MayumiC-chan9377 Ай бұрын

my husband hates Robotech like most who grew up in Japan he hated the changes and altered storyline! I love Macross and i cosplayed as Misa Hayase,Miria, Lynn Minmay,Ranka Lee and Klan klang. I love to Kareoke many of the songs too!

@Belgand Ай бұрын

To think, Harmony Gold bastardized Macross into Robotech and then it still managed to get worse.

@rotwang2000 Ай бұрын

@@Belgand It made sense at the time, people would rather run headfirst into a wall rather than sit through a FOREIGN cartoon ...

@sboinkthelegday3892 Ай бұрын

What's his opinion on black and white comics like the bloody and gritty 80's series, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles by Toei animation?

@MayumiC-chan9377 Ай бұрын

@@sboinkthelegday3892 interestingly my husband was a big fan of Lone wolf and cub,Golgo 13,Lupin the 3rd and armored troopers Votoms. He didn’t hear about TMNT until his father was stationed back in the USA. He told me “While children his age was watching TMNT and other American cartoons, himself and his friends were watching Guyver,Macross,Orguss,Southern Cross,Mospeada,Golgo 13 and Urusei Yatsura. My husband is the product of an African Zulu father and a Japanese mother. So my mother-in-law is a big Anime/Manga fan so she watched anime and so did her children,

@MayumiC-chan9377 Ай бұрын

@@kennyboggs3676 He really didn’t like that at all but honestly he always kept to the originals. His favorites were 1960s Utlra Q,Ultraman and Ultraseven. Super Sentai wasn’t his favorite but he didn’t like that they altered so much. He didn’t like the changes done to Yoroiden Troopers (Ronin Wars). He coming to age in the 1990s so when his family was stationed back in the USA he loved what Scifi Channel did with “Saturday day Anime”.

@thecunninlynguist Ай бұрын

After learning about how Robotech combined 3 different series into one "cohesive" story...I wS kinda amazed, especially for an 80s show.

@richdurbin6146 Ай бұрын

I thought Carl did a creditable job of doing just that.

@AntonioRodriguezSilver Ай бұрын

It's not cohesive. Robotech could never define "Protoculture." In Macross it's the old civilization that created the various humanoid races. In Robotech, it's everything. It's an energy source! It's a culture that confuses the aliens! It's the Invid Flower of Life! It's the answer to every weird gap in the story because it's not cohesive!

@bumbayker Ай бұрын

That was the norm back in the day of US localization on anime. They did it with Voltron (Dairugger XV + Golion) and Captain Herlock (Herlock + Queen Millenia). Robotech was anything but cohesive. At least for the anime as there were several inconsistencies and plot holes.

@alanblanks Ай бұрын

We'll launch an actual SDF-1 before the story gets re-told again.

@arashimiyazawa8165 Ай бұрын

My first exposure to anime as anime was Macross. Harmony Gold actually released the first three or so episodes as Macross direct-to-video in 1984 before deciding to mash it all together into their "Robotech" project so they could sell it to TV stations instead of the direct market. I ordered that VHS from an ad in Starlog magazine and was hooked. When Robotech came out a year or so later I was very confused as to what had happened until I grabbed some of the Robotech Art Books which explained how it was three shows smushed together.

@ashaide Ай бұрын

The minute Harmony Gold came on-screen, my middle finger came up. Amazing. What an autonomic reaction! Yakh deculture!

@JBOboe720 Ай бұрын

The creation of the Gerwalk was actually even more interesting; when Kawamori was demonstrating a Valkyrie toy prototype, the legs accidentally swung down from under the jet mode, which reminded him of his chicken-leg robot design, and he decided to use that as the basis for a third mode. This was later incorporated into the show's fiction too; the Gerwalk was discovered by accident during Valkyrie test flights.

@markplott4820 Ай бұрын

YES , the "chicken walker " pre dated the Fully Transformable jet Robots.

@tipulsar85 Ай бұрын

The saddest part is at one point, SDF Macross was given a fresh dub as itself and not Robotech by ADV under the supervision of Harmony gold nearly 20 years ago at the time of this video's release. The only other parts that had escaped to home media are the OVAs Macross Plus via Manga Entertainment around 2001 on DVD, and the non canon Macross II: Lovers Again in the 90s on VHS and DVD (also by Manga Entertaiment) and soon again on Bluray by Animeigo.

@mraaronhd Ай бұрын

I remember watching ADV’s dub of Macross online, and I really enjoyed it. One of best friends actually got me into Macross when he bought Macross II, and Plus, back in the early 2000’s. Man, buying anime back then was so expensive and was often times a crapshoot on whether or not it was going to be good, but it definitely made us into otaku.

@Plaprad Ай бұрын

@@mraaronhd Still got my old DVD case from twenty years ago. A while back I decided to watch something and started looking through it. A whole lot of "Why in the hell did I buy that crap?" followed.

@Shin_Lona Ай бұрын

Macross Plus is a masterpiece.

@journ9er Ай бұрын

I still have those SDF Macross DVDs. Wasn't it a selling point that Mari Iijima was reprising her role of Lynn Minmay for the dub?

@dalemark45 Ай бұрын

@@mraaronhdI still have my copy of the original VHS movie version of Macross Plus. Manga Entertainment had its own issues, but they're responsible for igniting my love and appreciation for both Macross and Patlabor

@zidarose Ай бұрын

Just love that Macross is finally, legally, coming across.

@shaider1982 Ай бұрын

Hope Mospeda gets covered. It's intro is quite catchy and the mecha/motorbike combos look slick.

@JLAvey Ай бұрын

I keep looking for SDF Macross and keep finding Robotech. I want Macross, with subtitles.

@FavineMoore Ай бұрын

it's out there. I had to ride the High seas to find it.

@smrii2487 Ай бұрын

@@FavineMoore this is the way

@SupaBuma Ай бұрын

Yes, it's out there. I have the old DVD three box set with English subs.

@Destroyer4700 Ай бұрын

Are you looking for a physical copy or a digital copy?

@braljoh Ай бұрын

You have to go to a pirate website, Have a good ad blocker.

@thiagoflores01 Ай бұрын

Super Fortress Macross is awesome, Macross Frontier and Macross Zero too ❤

@thedungeondelver Ай бұрын

Macross Plus is still my favorite.

@michaelandreipalon359 Ай бұрын

What about 7?

@muhammadwibisonojanuar7793 Ай бұрын

@@michaelandreipalon3597 is much slow process of a story, but is still good and peaceful story

@muhammadwibisonojanuar7793 Ай бұрын

@@thedungeondelverIn perspective of the action and epic music itself. It is the first time I see some process of manipulating sound frequency in order to touch humans' emotions

@ferallion3546 Ай бұрын

Frontier was really good. Love Zero and Plus.

@ottototo8 Ай бұрын

I highly recommend Macross Plus. Even if you haven't seen Macross. Music by Yoko Kanno. I think her best.

@MykeLewisMusic Ай бұрын

One of my faves.

@jerryharris6342 Ай бұрын

Definitely.

@richdurbin6146 Ай бұрын

They also released a series of Robotech novels that I quite enjoyed. It told the original story and continued the expedition into zentradi space.

@g.p.ryecroft Ай бұрын

I haven't read those Jack McKinney books, but heard they fill in a lot of gaps, especially in the Southern Cross and Mospeada stories. They're rerealeasing them as omnibus trade paperbacks, which testifies to there being a silent majority of Robotech fans out there--me among them!--despite the hate heaped on the series by the self-appointed anime cognoscenti. I may have to check out those books!

@seculartapes Ай бұрын

There was at least one release of DYRL in the US. I bought a VHS at the grocery store in the ‘90s of a dubbed version titled “Clash of the Bionoids”. The dubbing wasn’t great (it seemed to be dubbed in Hong Kong English)

@michaelthethird702 Ай бұрын

I'm a huge fan of Macross. It was one of the first series that hooked me. I own the remastered DVD box set of the original Macross, Macross II, Macross Plus (OVAs & movie), and Macross Zero. I've also watched Macross 7, but don't own it. Great series. Great music. And all the romance and drama that will melt a Zentradi warrior's heart.

@ceno10101 Ай бұрын

Jetfire was one of the best looking transformers I had as a kid.

@FavineMoore Ай бұрын

man, The Macross opening theme always gives me goosebumps. Its so good. I also love all the music from the show also.

@AaronPrado-gs4hf Ай бұрын

congrats on your article in Forbes, been watching you a long while now and just glad to see you get some recognition long over due.

@sircarew Ай бұрын

Thanks to AnimEgo, I was able to watch Macross and own it on DVD. I'm still annoyed that the original series (and movie) won't be on Disney+

@TheScreamMan Ай бұрын

Macross rules. Id love to see you do an episode or so on the Macross Sequel series!

@jsc315 Ай бұрын

Macross 7 is absolutely bananas. Just saying

@g.p.ryecroft Ай бұрын

A KZfaqr/Vimeo streamer called You Can't Unwatch It did outstanding retrospectives on all the Macross series, movies, and OVAs. His are commentaries, so very different from Secret Galaxy's investigative journalism on the secret origins and hidden histories. Great complements for one another.

@greenfeller Ай бұрын

Love your coverage and enthusiasm for the various iterations of Robotech/Macross. Managed to miss most of Robotech on Saturday mornings when it was on in my elementary years. Managed to really fall for it through the Jack Mckinney novels published by Del Rey in my middle school years. Feels like I am an outsider in all the fandoms. Keep the hits coming.

@RayShadow278 Ай бұрын

The lesson now is pirate the shit out of SDF Macross as well as DYRL, then support the official release of Macross starting from Flashback 2012 all the way to Macross Delta Zettai LIVE!!!!!! through Disney+ Even if I'm not the biggest Disney fan, anything that drums up more excitement for actual Macross and not DYRL is a big plus for me

@danealley9779 Ай бұрын

Watched Robotech when it was broadcast in the US at 6-6:30am in the '80's. I have two VF-1 Valkerie/ Robotech Changers model kits from Revell/Ceji. This was my introduction to what I later learned was actually Macross. If it wasn't for the model kits/toys we US kids wouldn't love the Macross series today. 4:49

@BigEpinstriping Ай бұрын

The story continues to be told. Finally, onto the good stuff! Macross is the best out of all the many retellings and permutations. Furthermore, I'm disappointed I missed out on Macross Chocolate bars!

@RoyalCrustle Ай бұрын

Watched the show earlier this year and it's actually so good. Shame about some of the poor animation on specific episodes, but still a great time overall.

@iflow593 Ай бұрын

I love how you keep us updated about this topic. I LOVED this show, didn't realize it was a combo project but answered questions in adulthood...I want a live action done properly, maybe asking too much😒

@RM_VFX Ай бұрын

Thanks to Macross II, I was able to meet and talk with character designer Haruhiko Mikimoto, at the US premiere during the very first Anime Expo in California. The attendance was so small back then, we were able to sit at a table of only about 10 to have dinner and chat with each guest of honor. Definitely a big step that kickstarted my career in animation. Thanks, Hal-san.

@Neverfate Ай бұрын

Next up the History of Secret Galaxy's History of MACROSS' History of Harmony Gold's History of Robotech's History. It's all coming together. Either that or this mushroom tea is starting to hit.

@adrian_veidt Ай бұрын

Max is the giga chad of all aces in Macross. An ace pilot who beats down an enemy babe and gets to marry her lol. Max and Amuro Ray were my fave pilots in mecha

@joester4life Ай бұрын

All within a few days too.

@dansmith16 Ай бұрын

Kirk would be so happy.

@brianng8350 Ай бұрын

Dan, congrats for keeping the joke going as a kid who never watched Robotech, but spent days and weeks with these videos…😂😂😂. That is professionalism… Love that you dug up the pencil sketches of the mech designs. That is my childhood passion.

@jasonc212 4 күн бұрын

I was one of a few that saw the uncut versions of this in the U.S. in 1984 due to a Japanese friend's father bringing shows over for my friend to keep up his Japanese. He interpreted it while we watched it. It'd be about 4 months later that I'd see Robotech, but always was Macross first.

@phantomharlock999 Ай бұрын

In the USA in the 90s during the dial-up days of the internet Macross lived in theater rooms in anime conventions and on copied VHS fan subs traded in person and by post.

@commanderblaze9gaming397 Ай бұрын

I’m so happy everyone has recently started to recognize Macross and coincidentally I started getting my friends involved as everyone else was

@rimjobledouche5201 Ай бұрын

To anyone who has yet to see Macross, you need to. It's cheesy, saccharine, and melodramatic. It is also earnest, heartfelt, and inexplicably nostalgic. It is beautifully written and will make you smile. Both it and it's feature film Do you Remember Love are both painfully, achingly bittersweet. The combination of 80's Japanese pop, transforming robots, and Mikimoto's doe-eyed character designs combine to form a truly special spectacle.

@g.p.ryecroft Ай бұрын

Well, said. Not a huge fan of DYRL but love the original series (at least through about ep 27). I also love the closing credits with the photo album and that song that always strikes me as sad (like the closing theme to the Incredible Hulk decades ago). Also, the next episode promo with the narrator saying the title in English with an echo effect. Little touches like that make it extra special. Oh, and the commercial bumper. The music is more subdued than Robotech, which can work for or against the show, but usually for.

@muhammadwibisonojanuar7793 Ай бұрын

I haven't watch full episodes of Macross, but it is funny and peaceful. I started Macross Series since Macross Delta, broadening my view of mecha anime after Gundam Series and Web Diver

@bumbayker Ай бұрын

I think you should have started with Macross Frontier if you're new to the Macross franchise. Not that you can't start with Macross Delta. But that Delta's premise is set in the aftermath of Frontier. Personally the original series Super Dimension Fortress Macross is the best starting point to the franchise since it's the foundation to every succeeding series even though all of them are a standalone story.

@muhammadwibisonojanuar7793 Ай бұрын

Yeah. Thanks. But I don't know much about Macross at the time of Delta's release

@ToyKennections Ай бұрын

Love it! Secret Galaxy videos are an inspiration for pop culture/cartoon historians.

@ArmouredPhalanx Ай бұрын

Watched Robotech as a kid in the 80s. Rediscovered it as a teen in the 90s through the comics and novelization of the series where I was much better equipped to process and appreciate the themes and relationships, and that led me to learning all about its tangled history and the original Macross. Slightly later in the 90s, I stumbled across copies of Macross II and Macross Plus on VHS which were released by Manga Video when Harmony Gold was looking the other way (really don't know the story about how it happened, but glad it did). That really cemented my love for the franchise, and the pre-Robotech version (Macross Plus in particular) and made me realize just how much we were missing out on thanks to HG.

@g.p.ryecroft Ай бұрын

Macross II and Macross Plus are so far removed from the original series that I can imagine Harmony God winking at it. None of the original characters, an obligatory nod to the SDF-1, and UN Spacy were about the only tenuous ties to the '82 series. I enjoyed them both but was disappointed they weren't the Macross sequels fans hoped for, just good independent stories set in the same universe.

@JamieCottle1 Ай бұрын

I still remember when I discovered there was more Macross. Those"internet backalleys" were a pathway to some of the greatest entertainment. Long live Macross! Death to Harmony Gold!

@brian_s_musicfan Ай бұрын

I saw robotech as a kid and fell in love with the Macross saga part of it. Around the year 2015 I came across robotech on a streaming platform. I realize I could probably look up the original show and find listen to the original songs. I fell in love with with the sweet songs sung by the amazing Mari Iijima. I looked her up and discovered she's in Los Angeles still making music. I became a regular to her KZfaq channel. I was so blessed to see her perform in Los Angeles. I hope someday I can buy the Macross series.

@hyfy-tr2jy Ай бұрын

And here we are again talking about the trainwreck we all love to watch namely ROBOTECH

@axelprino 29 күн бұрын

I've always found it funny that the way I first became aware about the messiness of Robotech's origin was while playing on a famiclone as a kid back in the 90's, a friend of mine had a multicart that had a game called Macross and seconds into playing it I realized that it was basically a Robotech game, my friend that was a lot more into anime than me explained to me than that was because Macross was the original series in Japan and that Robotech was just the translated version.

@justinoswald8825 Ай бұрын

Am forever disappointed when I talk about the "Power of Love" and no one else hears the musical sting.

@Belgand Ай бұрын

It's a curious thing.

@RocketLauncherwithInfiniteAmmo Ай бұрын

Believe it or not, this is actually something I have been wondering a lot about recently, the whole macros saga, and robotech etc, and how it all links, if at all etc, but I just didn’t consciously know I needed it put into a video like this - ideal!

@knghtbrd Ай бұрын

You can't reconcile Macross and Robotech into each other, but SDF Macross and Robotech Gen 1 are basically identical stories with the latter having some slightly cleaned up language. It's really best to just think of them as parallel worlds that diverge near the end of the series.

@Hyperion-Cantos Ай бұрын

Best episode ever ❤❤❤ Please cover the other MACROSS shows. Including MACROSS II Lovers Again ❤

@72TheScarface 6 күн бұрын

Macross: Teaches about love Harmony Gold: Teaches about how must everybody hate them

@lsamaknight Ай бұрын

Macross Plus did slip through the blockade, Harmony Gold was asleep at the wheel and just didn't realise Manga Entertainment released it until after it was out of DVD. They also did partner with ADV films for sub only DVD releases of Macross, Southern Cross and Mospeda and later an English Dub of Macross (stunt-casting Mari Ijima returning to the role of Minmay). But yes, I've seen Macross, Macross Plus, Macross 7, Macross Zero and most of Delta.

@knghtbrd Ай бұрын

The US needs Macross, including the original series! (We're keeping Robotech though, even if Harmony Gold are bastards… We DO know the difference and the brand is NOT diluted by having both, HG!)

@Belgand Ай бұрын

Culture is diluted by having Robotech. It should be thrown away as an embarrassing relic in favor of the real Macross. In part, I think Harmony Gold has come to recognize this. Hence their intense desire to keep the curtain intact and prevent Americans from finding out the crimes that were committed against them in the past.

@MarcusHardyDJDirtyOne Ай бұрын

THank you so much for this. Love the channel and how you roll. Cheers!!!

@RaddSpencer Ай бұрын

I was a little kid when Robotech aired but it instantly became my favourite cartoon, and remained that way until the early 90's when I discovered Macross. This video glosses over the fact that the original movie, Macross II, and Macross Plus all got western releases. The original movie had a very limited release and in most markets was butchered into "Clash of the Bionoids", but Macross II was originally released in the west by U.S. Renditions, then later by Manga Video. Macross Plus followed, released by Manga Video. It wasn't until the Macross Plus toys were on their way to the west in the late 90's that Harmony Gold stepped in with their lawyers to ruin everything. Still, by that time I was hooked and had the power of the internet and the fansubbing community to get my grubby hands on every Macross release that followed beginning with Macross 7.

@ootagootasolo3617 12 сағат бұрын

In middle school, I got my “Macross 7”content from a Geocities (or Angelfire) fansite for homebrew rules for Palladium’s Robotech RPG. 😅

@thedungeondelver Ай бұрын

Macross > Robotech.

@AlexSDU 29 күн бұрын

I got to know Macross & Mospeada first before Rowboat Tech came. It was in 1986, our national TV channel aired them on Monday & Tuesday evening. On Wednesday, it was Toushou Daimos.

@sombrashibe Ай бұрын

My first experience with the Macross anime was with the OVA Macross Plus. Voices is still one of my favorite songs

@sombrashibe Ай бұрын

Or if I'm gonna be technical, seeing Jetfire/Skyfire on Transformers would be technically my first exposure to Macross 😅

@dmisfit79 Ай бұрын

MAKUROSU!!!

@UberNoodle Ай бұрын

Studio Nue needs to do a remake of the original series like Yamato got remade. That would get around the Harmony Gold blockade.

@sadsodphil Ай бұрын

Dan just wanted to say this series of videos has been amazing as is all your stuff

@brettdavis1454 Ай бұрын

Now to hope for a re-imaging of Macross, as has been done with Yamato

@Gunsight-One Ай бұрын

This! I would absolutely lose it if they remade the original Super Dimension Fortress Macross but did it in the visual style of Do You Remember Love. That would be amazing!

@jetboyblue4478 16 сағат бұрын

Got into Macross thanks to seeing the English dub trailer for macross plus which led to me collecting ADVs dub of macross.

@Junkosei100 Ай бұрын

"My time to be a star" is not the song you are looking for.

@retroryu Ай бұрын

Wonderfully done, guys!

@AntoineJenkins80sChild 28 күн бұрын

Outstanding video Dan! Full of stuff I thought I knew about but actually didn't... it's always awesome to learn something new especially when it is about classic cartoons/anime, toys/action figures and TV shows/movies. That is why your spot is the place to come to for me on KZfaq... Always informative and filled with fun dialogue, truly never a dull video.

@libratigerpictures Ай бұрын

I hung out with the guy who owned Harmony Gold, circa 2002. We did the Landmark Forum together. His name was Ahmed, he lived in a mansion in L.A.

@BrianofKrypton Ай бұрын

That was awesome. I've been a lifelong Macross fan and I even learned a few new things.

@mikew8126 Ай бұрын

I remember watching Robotech as a kid before school at like 5AM. I think it was in a block with Tranzor Z and Voltron. I think it really grabbed my attention because it was the first cartoon I watched that was episodic with an ongoing story. Love all of your videos, I remember all many of the shows to cover and a good number of the toys.

@chiissu 27 күн бұрын

I was born in the late 80s so I missed Robotech, but in the 00s my neighbor who's dad liked Macross, bought Robotech Battlecry and I played a bit on GameCube. Years later I was in college and saw Robotech was giving on The Space Channel. I was curious and checked it out and liked it. Years later I started editing the Robotech Wiki and found a site with the comics and gave em a read and some were pretty good. I reviewed The Shadow Chronicles and saw most of the eps and felt it was good 80s sci fi with real romance that went somewhere instead of having a crush and thats it. The good guys didn't always win and when they did there was often a cost. And unlike star wars and Power Rangers, it wasn't ruined by disney and its retcons.

@josephlamonica4167 Ай бұрын

The wave goodbye to the cat had me laughing. Lol:P

@user-wj9hq6hi7k Ай бұрын

A story as big as the SDF-1 itself

@cicadaplum Ай бұрын

No joke, I just finished my first viewing of Macross + DYRL? last night. This video came at the perfect time.

@andrewloranger 27 күн бұрын

love the subtle Cobra reference.

@liskadaebabbit Ай бұрын

I watched the first third of Robotech thanks to a friend who had taped it from TV. Thanks to another friend, I got to watch Macross 7 subtitled.

@105Gunner Ай бұрын

Thumbs up for James Acaster and Screw Harmony Gold

@btetschner Ай бұрын

A+ video! Very intriguing topic and video!

@AkiLightningPLUS 23 күн бұрын

Great work!

@diablorojo3887 Ай бұрын

Macross have a huge impact on my as a kid, is the first real robo series to be televised on Brasil in 1994 (we don't get Gundam ultimate the 2000s), Soo is not only success but a iconic staple of television

@damionalbarr7961 Ай бұрын

I loved all versions of Macross and Robotech. Tried to get my hands on every version of the Veritech fighters and figures.

@gaburieru22 Ай бұрын

I could swear I left a comment about an article I saw in Forbes "Secret Galaxy Does A Handy And Concise Breakdown Of The ‘Macross’ Saga". Maybe it got deleted because of the link to it. Oh, well, doesn't matter if it got deleted. So cool they mentioned you. Awesome video 🔥🔥

@MyHandle4455 9 күн бұрын

Thanks for these videos. You’ve helped the child in me sleep better at night finally knowing the answers to so many questions I’ve had growing up as a fan of these IPs. On a side note, Macross needs to be free from the stain on their legacy that is Robotech. Those who still believe that Robotech has better brand recognition is out of touch with reality. Also, does Shoji Kawamori get the proper respect he deserves for designing some of the most iconic Robot and mech designs in anime history? I had no idea he was responsible for so many.

@michaelandreipalon359 Ай бұрын

It'll be a glorious era when people talk more about enjoying their binges on the original Macross, the Do You Remember Love? movie, Plus, 7, Zero, and Frontier all while Robotech becomes ultimately obscure and left on landfills.

@g.p.ryecroft Ай бұрын

Michael, why does it have to be either/or? I'm a both/and guy: I love Robotech and Macross. In fact, watching the original Macross, I'm surprised at how little was altered besides the definition of protoculture. PS: What, no mention of Macross Delta? Was it that bad? Or Macross II, which was really good even if not considered canon.

@michaelandreipalon359 Ай бұрын

@@g.p.ryecroft What can I say, there can only be one according to Highlander. Besides, do people even watch Magical Doremi or Glitter Force lately? Yeah, Delta is quite... imperfect and meddled way too much in its production. And yes, Macross II is definitely an alt-universe thing, so much so that its music was used once in a canonical sequel storyline as a terrifying sound weapon.

@g.p.ryecroft Ай бұрын

@@michaelandreipalon359 Thanks for the response, Highlander reference, and heads up on Delta. Your knowledge of all things Macross far exceeds my own.

@justinthompson8828 Ай бұрын

Thank you for the O Brother where art thou clips😂😂 you a real one!

@ericthompson3982 Ай бұрын

You really should take this series of videos about giant fighting robots to its ultimate, insane conclusion: Gary Graham's Robot Jox.

@Echowhiskeyone Ай бұрын

I watched Robotech when it came out, loved it. Found BattleTech, loved it. Found Macross, loved it. SDC Southern Cross and MOSPEADA, loved them. HG lawsuits, have hated HG ever since. Still like the idea of Robotech, but still hate HG.

@zumazmusic Ай бұрын

Thank you for enhancing our protoculture by preserving this history for us. 😎😝

@alexsbr7111 Ай бұрын

In Italy Robotech was broadcast from 1986 by the private Fininvest television stations (owned by Berlusconi), which traditionally imported many Japanese and American cartoons and sometime also collaborated with Saban Entertainment. However some of the Takatoku toys, like the Valkiries and the Destroid models (the ones to be assembled) had been present in toys store, probably imported directly from Japan, before the broadcast, generating a bit of confusion among us kids. To add further confusion, the catalogs present in these toys included mecha from other series with similar design, such as those related to Galactic Whirlwind Sasuraiger or Orguss, so when the broadcast begin we expected to see them appear sooner or later in Robotech, unaware that they were from other anime unknown here in Italy. A few years later, a publisher specializing in Japanese products, Yamato Edizioni, distributed on home video both Robotech and Macross, as well as some of the latter's sequels and prequels, so the Italian audiance was able to compare both the original Japanese version and the American recut.

@LanEXHikari Ай бұрын

No matter how many videos you make about this influential cult classic, it always adds something interesting. Thank you so much ✌🏼

@jmhaces 6 күн бұрын

Back when Robotech was released in the mid '80's it was nothing short of mind-blowing to me as a child, and not just because of the cool giant robots fighting aliens. Thanks to stuff like Mazinger Z and Voltron I was already aware of the fact that Japanese cartoons were able to tell much more serious stories with more complex plots that sometimes even affected the series as a whole in comparison to typical western action cartoons like GI Joe or M.A.S.K. that were episodic, had no real story progression, had really toned down violence and usually included either a "funny" annoying sidekick or a "moral of the story" section at the end, or even both. But even stuff like Voltron felt mostly episodic and not that much happened to move the story along. And here you had Robotech dealing with the social and economic impact of discovering alien technology, their effect on the civilian population, war, cloning, ethics, coming to terms with the aftermath of a military conflict and having to live with your former enemies, and the importance of art. Characters grew and changed, some died, and the good guys not always won. It was a gamechanger.

@padawanmage71 Ай бұрын

I first watched Robotech when a friend of mine lent me his VHS collection and later I watched the Macross movies, and was more than a little confused, as I didn’t realize one came before the other….technically.